Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6191 - 6195

2009-04-28 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Alex Smith wrote: >> Trivially FALSE.  comex has a rest, which is a Losing Condition. > E burned it off, I thought? E had two; I think e has only burned one off so far. >> But I don't think you would get a paradox out of this anyway; it would >> simply not be a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6191 - 6195

2009-04-28 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 11:42 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 11:17 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > >> Per CFJ 2450, I award 96+96i points to comex. > > > > Disclaimer: This message is an attempt to construct a paradox. Nothing > > he

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2009-04-28 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 11:17 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: >> Per CFJ 2450, I award 96+96i points to comex. > > Disclaimer: This message is an attempt to construct a paradox. Nothing > here is definitely false; but it may be confusing. > > The followi

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2009-04-28 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/4/28 Alex Smith : > On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 11:17 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: >> Per CFJ 2450, I award 96+96i points to comex. > > Disclaimer: This message is an attempt to construct a paradox. Nothing > here is definitely false; but it may be confusing. > > The following sentence is a Win Announcem

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6191 - 6195

2009-04-17 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Ian Kelly wrote: > FWIW, the reason I used "a player" instead of "a contestmaster" in the > proposal was that I didn't like referring to a contestmaster without > reference to a particular contest (and "the contestmaster of a > contest" just seemed excessively wor

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6191 - 6195

2009-04-17 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:17 AM, comex wrote: > Fair enough.  You wrote the text in question, but the fact that I > genuinely misinterpreted the intended meaning (I thought it was > intended to pragmatize the question of whether someone was actually a > contestmaster) demonstrates there is at lea

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6191 - 6195

2009-04-17 Thread comex
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Ian Kelly wrote: >> It refers to the subset of announcements in which the announcer claims >> that e performed duties related to a contest in a timely manner during >> a month. > > Respectfully disagree. Fair enough. You wrote the text in question, but the fact

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6191 - 6195

2009-04-17 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:46 AM, comex wrote: > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Ian Kelly wrote: >> No, e's arguing that by "such an announcement", the rule means that. >> It actually seems rather intuitive that "such an announcement" would >> refer to a subset of announcements > > It refers t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6191 - 6195

2009-04-17 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:34 AM, comex wrote: > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn > wrote: >> No, wait, I didn't read what comex said right there. I'm arguing the >> same as Murphy, and comex's objection applies to that too. However, I >> think that "such an announcement" can als

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6191 - 6195

2009-04-17 Thread comex
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Ian Kelly wrote: > No, e's arguing that by "such an announcement", the rule means that. > It actually seems rather intuitive that "such an announcement" would > refer to a subset of announcements It refers to the subset of announcements in which the announcer cla

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2009-04-17 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:36 AM, comex wrote: > Murphy seems to be arguing that by "announcement" the rule really > means "the action described in the previous paragraph, which is a > special case of an announcement", but this goes against the wording of > the rule. No, e's arguing that by "such

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6191 - 6195

2009-04-17 Thread comex
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > No, wait, I didn't read what comex said right there. I'm arguing the > same as Murphy, and comex's objection applies to that too. However, I > think that "such an announcement" can also be seen as "the kind of > announcement we spent the e

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2009-04-17 Thread comex
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > Gratuitous: > It seems there are two interpretations: > One is that "such an announcement" means only the announcement stating > that duties have been performed, and in that case everything else > about it is conditions that weren't met, s

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2009-04-17 Thread comex
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: > Gratuituous: > > Part of the referent of "such an announcement" in this case is the > identity of the announcer, so FALSE. > > Even if the contestmaster of Enigma had done this, another part of the > referent of "such an announcement" in this ca

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6191 - 6195

2009-04-17 Thread comex
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > I don't know about the terms here, maybe some are defined, but if the > contestmaster can perform an action, I'd say being the contestmaster > is a condition that has to be met in order to perform the action. And > if it's a part of the act

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2009-04-17 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/4/17 comex : > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Jonatan Kilhamn > wrote: >> If you have been the contestmaster for at least 16 days, you MAY once, >> otherwise you MAY not, so all the statements are illegal. I'm not >> really sure about what the rest of 2234 does to this, if the >> statements