DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-17 Thread comex
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 16:50 -0700, Taral wrote: >> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Aaron Goldfein >> wrote: >> > Proposal: Legislative Dominance (AI = 2) >> >> I pledge to vote AGAINST this proposal. >> >> (As a note: If it passes, I will not

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 14 May 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: > Quazie wrote: >> I retract the above proposal. >> >> I submit a new proposal entitled "And then there was silence." ai=2 >> with the following body: >> >> Append the following to R2126: >> >> The day after agora's birthday 2009 this rule repeal's itself. >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 14 May 2009, Quazie wrote: > I submit the following proposal entitled "And then there was silence", > AI=2 please, with the following body: > > Repeal rule 2126 the day after agora's birthday. > Please retract this. It's most appropriate to do this in combination with the new thing, that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-14 Thread Sean Hunt
Quazie wrote: > I retract the above proposal. > > I submit a new proposal entitled "And then there was silence." ai=2 > with the following body: > > Append the following to R2126: > > The day after agora's birthday 2009 this rule repeal's itself. > I will only vote for this if something else i

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Quazie wrote: > I submit a new proposal entitled "And then there was silence." ai=2 > with the following body: > > Append the following to R2126: > > The day after agora's birthday 2009 this rule repeal's itself. > Rules 2228 and 2229 also need to be updated.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-14 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Quazie wrote: > I submit the following proposal entitled "And then there was silence", > AI=2 please, with the following body: > > Repeal rule 2126 the day after agora's birthday. Unless this is retroactive to the last birthday, that's a no-op (except, apparently,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-14 Thread Taral
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 2:40 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > As far as I can tell, there's a rough a-d consensus that Notes should be > killed the day after Agora's Birthday and replaced with something > different. Cards would make quite a good something different, IMO. Sounds good to me. -- Taral "Pl

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-14 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 16:20 -0400, Quazie wrote: > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > By the way, I really, really, really, really don't think that Cards > > and Notes (in current complexity) should exist at the same time. -G. > I believe notes should die. Or, notes should be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Quazie
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> On Wed, 13 May 2009, Taral wrote: >> > I guess I'm a little touchy right now because the game has been very >> > chaotic recently. >> >> I submit the following proposal, Tap the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 13 May 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: > Goethe wrote: > >> On Wed, 13 May 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> On Wed, 13 May 2009, Quazie wrote: Care to re-proto that? Or send the proto just to me and I'll help you deal (HA pun) with the card rules? >>> If I can find it I will. -G. >> >> By t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: > On Wed, 13 May 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On Wed, 13 May 2009, Quazie wrote: >>> Care to re-proto that? Or send the proto just to me and I'll help you >>> deal (HA pun) with the card rules? >> If I can find it I will. -G. > > By the way, I really, really, really, really don't t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Quazie
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Wed, 13 May 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On Wed, 13 May 2009, Quazie wrote: >>> Care to re-proto that?  Or send the proto just to me and I'll help you >>> deal (HA pun) with the card rules? >> >> If I can find it I will.  -G. > > By the way

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 13 May 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Wed, 13 May 2009, Quazie wrote: >> Care to re-proto that? Or send the proto just to me and I'll help you >> deal (HA pun) with the card rules? > > If I can find it I will. -G. By the way, I really, really, really, really don't think that Cards and No

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 13 May 2009, Quazie wrote: > Care to re-proto that? Or send the proto just to me and I'll help you > deal (HA pun) with the card rules? If I can find it I will. -G.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 13 May 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > Well, the problem is if the proposal's been flipped to undistributable > with 4 support, it could be flipped back with 2 support, which is weird > to say the least. Maybe it should need 6 support to reflip it back, and > likewise the notes should go 1 to fl

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Quazie
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Wed, 13 May 2009, Quazie wrote: >> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Alex Smith wrote: >>> On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 12:45 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:       A player CAN flip a specified proposal to Distributable       with 2 Support,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 13 May 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: > Quazie wrote: > >> If we are bringing back distributability, i'm going to try to bring >> back cards. The issue is that cards need to be a core part of the >> rules or they can't have the power to change things like these >> switches. Is there any way that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 13:00 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Wed, 13 May 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 12:45 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> A player CAN flip a specified proposal to Distributable > >> with 2 Support, or by spending one Note. > >> > >> A player CA

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Ed Murphy
Quazie wrote: > If we are bringing back distributability, i'm going to try to bring > back cards. The issue is that cards need to be a core part of the > rules or they can't have the power to change things like these > switches. Is there any way that a contest could currently flip a > switch lik

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 13 May 2009, Quazie wrote: > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Alex Smith wrote: >> On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 12:45 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>>       A player CAN flip a specified proposal to Distributable >>>       with 2 Support, or by spending one Note. >>> >>>       A player CAN flip a s

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Quazie
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 12:45 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>       A player CAN flip a specified proposal to Distributable >>       with 2 Support, or by spending one Note. >> >>       A player CAN flip a specified proposal to Undistributable >>    

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 13 May 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 12:45 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> A player CAN flip a specified proposal to Distributable >> with 2 Support, or by spending one Note. >> >> A player CAN flip a specified proposal to Undistributable >> with 4 Su

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 12:45 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > A player CAN flip a specified proposal to Distributable > with 2 Support, or by spending one Note. > > A player CAN flip a specified proposal to Undistributable > with 4 Support, or by spending two Notes. It sh

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Ed Murphy
c-walker wrote: > This. Is anyone willing to maintain a Schroedingor's report, even > if unofficially? Weekly, at least; some points of confusion are fast-moving.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/5/13 Charles Walker : > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: >> >> Taral wrote: >> >> > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Kerim Aydin >> > wrote: >> >> Oh bribery proposals are cute.  It's a good test every so often to see >> >> if the current players are a group of voters you wa

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Charles Walker
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > Taral wrote: > > > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Kerim Aydin > wrote: > >> Oh bribery proposals are cute. It's a good test every so often to see > >> if the current players are a group of voters you want to be playing a > game > >> with. A

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Ed Murphy
Taral wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Oh bribery proposals are cute. It's a good test every so often to see >> if the current players are a group of voters you want to be playing a game >> with. And deregistration is good test to use as, whichever the answer, >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Taral
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Oh bribery proposals are cute.  It's a good test every so often to see > if the current players are a group of voters you want to be playing a game > with.  And deregistration is good test to use as, whichever the answer, > one doesn't have to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 19:07 -0500, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > I see this proposal not as a way for me to be a jackass, but to reveal > a part of the game as flawed. Scamming is something that is very > intricate in the game, and as a result it should be expected that > someone would submit a proposal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 12 May 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: > Yally wrote: > >> Proposal: Legislative Dominance (AI = 2) > > Conditional: { > if the proposal would not be adopted if I voted AGAINST, >then AGAINST, > otherwise if the proposal would not be adopted if I didn't vote, >then no vote, > otherwise

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 12 May 2009, Taral wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Aaron Goldfein > wrote: >> I see this proposal not as a way for me to be a jackass, but to reveal a >> part of the game as flawed. Scamming is something that is very intricate in >> the game, and as a result it should be expect

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread Taral
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:15 PM, comex wrote: > How is that any different from, say, inactivating people, or making > contracts contests?  It's all switches and flipping. It's a metagame distinction. This is tatamount to saying "support this scam or get kicked out of the game". -- Taral "Pleas

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread Sean Hunt
Ed Murphy wrote: > Yally wrote: > >> Proposal: Legislative Dominance (AI = 2) > > Conditional: { > if the proposal would not be adopted if I voted AGAINST, > then AGAINST, > otherwise if the proposal would not be adopted if I didn't vote, > then no vote, > otherwise FOR > } > Cond

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread Ed Murphy
Yally wrote: > Proposal: Legislative Dominance (AI = 2) Conditional: { if the proposal would not be adopted if I voted AGAINST, then AGAINST, otherwise if the proposal would not be adopted if I didn't vote, then no vote, otherwise FOR }

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread Elliott Hird
As a general rule, a high-powered proposal can do anything. On 2009-05-13, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Quazie wrote: > >> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Taral wrote: >> > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Aaron Goldfein >> > >> wrote: >> >> Proposal: Legislative D

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread Elliott Hird
The Walrus scam caused deregistrations. My Outrage-O-Meter suggests this passing would lead to your house being set on fire. On 2009-05-13, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > Proposal: Legislative Dominance (AI = 2) > > All players who vote FOR this proposal (at the time the voting period ends) > and never

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread Sean Hunt
comex wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Taral wrote: >> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Aaron Goldfein >> wrote: >>> I see this proposal not as a way for me to be a jackass, but to reveal a >>> part of the game as flawed. Scamming is something that is very intricate in >>> the game, and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Taral wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Aaron Goldfein > wrote: > > I see this proposal not as a way for me to be a jackass, but to reveal a > > part of the game as flawed. Scamming is something that is very intricate > in > > the game, and as a result it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread comex
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Taral wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Aaron Goldfein > wrote: >> I see this proposal not as a way for me to be a jackass, but to reveal a >> part of the game as flawed. Scamming is something that is very intricate in >> the game, and as a result it shou

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread Sean Hunt
Aaron Goldfein wrote: > I see this proposal not as a way for me to be a jackass, but to reveal a > part of the game as flawed. Scamming is something that is very intricate > in the game, and as a result it should be expected that someone would > submit a proposal like this. Instead of getting angry

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread Taral
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > I see this proposal not as a way for me to be a jackass, but to reveal a > part of the game as flawed. Scamming is something that is very intricate in > the game, and as a result it should be expected that someone would submit a > proposal l

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Quazie wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Taral wrote: > > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Aaron Goldfein > wrote: > >> Proposal: Legislative Dominance (AI = 2) > > > > I pledge to vote AGAINST this proposal. > > > > (As a note: If it passes, I will not

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Taral wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Aaron Goldfein > wrote: > > Proposal: Legislative Dominance (AI = 2) > > I pledge to vote AGAINST this proposal. > > (As a note: If it passes, I will not come back. Enjoy your empty game.) > > -- > Taral > "Please

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread Taral
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > Proposal: Legislative Dominance (AI = 2) Time to bring back the "no bribes" clause? -- Taral "Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you." -- Unknown