Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] THE BUTTON is dead, long live The Button!

2021-10-01 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
On 10/1/2021 11:11, Rose Strong via agora-discussion wrote: I become a party to the button. NttPF -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)

DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] THE BUTTON is dead, long live The Button!

2021-10-01 Thread Rose Strong via agora-discussion
I become a party to the button. On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 12:12 PM ATMunn via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I create, consent to, and become a party to the following contract, > entitled "The Button": > > ---

DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] Let's split some cards

2021-09-22 Thread Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion
I don't think I've ever won that random VC though. My bad luck is too powerful. On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 8:11 PM ais523 via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Tue, 2021-09-21 at 12:04 -0400, the Notary's Report wrote: > > The Puppet SHALL NOT plan to flip eir Ministry Foc

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: contract with cuddlybananaq

2021-09-05 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/5/2021 12:37 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On 9/5/2021 8:51 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 9/5/21 11:33, Sarah S. via agora-business wrote: >>> Contract doesnt work, I said 'pendants' when i meant 'blot-b-gones'. I >>> intend to destroy this contract without objection >> >> >> T

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: contract with cuddlybananaq

2021-09-05 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/5/2021 8:51 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 9/5/21 11:33, Sarah S. via agora-business wrote: >> Contract doesnt work, I said 'pendants' when i meant 'blot-b-gones'. I >> intend to destroy this contract without objection > > > This is not resolvable. Contracts can only be sh

DIS: Re: BUS: contract with cuddlybananaq

2021-09-05 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 9/5/21 11:33, Sarah S. via agora-business wrote: > Contract doesnt work, I said 'pendants' when i meant 'blot-b-gones'. I > intend to destroy this contract without objection This is not resolvable. Contracts can only be shredded without 2 objections. -- Jason Cobb Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract Amendment] Agoran Press Changes

2021-07-11 Thread Falsifian via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jul 08, 2021 at 10:40:29AM -0400, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: > On 7/7/2021 21:00, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 03:38:32PM -0400, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: > > > On 7/4/2021 23:37, Telna via agora-business wrote: > > > > On 2021-07-05 13:34,

DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract Amendment] Agoran Press Changes

2021-07-07 Thread Falsifian via agora-discussion
On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 03:38:32PM -0400, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: > On 7/4/2021 23:37, Telna via agora-business wrote: > > On 2021-07-05 13:34, Telna via agora-business wrote: > > > On 2021-07-05 11:17, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: > > > > I propose the following amendment to the Ag

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract & Promise Cleanup

2021-06-27 Thread Trigon via agora-discussion
On 26/06/2021 02:36, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote:> Did we ever learn what these did? I lost the hashed text for these contracts so it's impossible to say for certain but using the four-letter identifiers and rough memories: On 6/18/2021 11:50 AM, ATMunn wrote: I intend, without

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract & Promise Cleanup

2021-06-25 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Jun 25, 2021, at 1:39 PM, ATMunn via agora-business > wrote: > > On 6/18/2021 11:50 AM, ATMunn wrote: >> I intend, without 2 objections, to terminate the contract "Contract No. 1: >> GIFT". > > Having received no objections, I do so. >> I intend, without 2 objections, to terminate the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract & Promise Cleanup

2021-06-18 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
On 6/18/2021 5:28 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: On Jun 18, 2021, at 8:46 AM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: Good point. I intend, without objection, to revoke the promise "Treasure" from the Lost and Found Department I object; I believe the intent of that promise was to pr

DIS: Re: BUS: Contract & Promise Cleanup

2021-06-18 Thread Telna via agora-discussion
On 2021-06-19 01:00, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: I intend, without objection, to revoke the promise "Treasure" [created by omd] from the Library. Worth noting this promise is owned by the Lost and Found Department, which I think means you need to restate the intent for it to count. (It's

DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] friendly neighborhood notary sells eir belongings

2021-01-22 Thread Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion
I bid 76 on victory On Thursday, January 21, 2021, Aris Merchant via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 1:46 PM Cuddle Beam via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > I withdraw all coins from my Locker. > > > > I bid 75 each o

DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] Agoran Load Association

2020-11-08 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Nov 8, 2020, at 6:22 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business > wrote: > > I agree to and create the following contract: { > The parties consent to any players joining this contract. The parties consent > to parties who do not own debts leaving this contract. > > Debts are a fixed asset de

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] Proofs of Claim

2020-09-15 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/15/2020 12:41 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: >> I support. >> >> I'll actually go the other direction. The contract says "Any player CAN, >> with notice, file a proof of a claim of a valid judgement." With notice is >> a mechanism; in the absence of something saying that the claim

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] Proofs of Claim

2020-09-15 Thread Falsifian via agora-discussion
> I support. > > I'll actually go the other direction. The contract says "Any player CAN, > with notice, file a proof of a claim of a valid judgement." With notice is > a mechanism; in the absence of something saying that the claim must be > "specified", the only requirements are the requirements

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] Proofs of Claim

2020-09-13 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 1:50 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > > I support. > > > > > > I'll actually go the other direction. The contract says "Any player CAN, > > > with notice, file a proof of a claim of a valid judgement." With notice > is > > > a

DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] Proofs of Claim

2020-09-07 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 9/7/20 6:43 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: > I intend, with support, to group-file a motion to reconsider CFJ 3882. > Arguments: what G. Filed wasn't a proof of a *claim* of a valid judgement; it > was just a valid judgment. He never proved that he made the claim, which is > plai

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: Let's snag D. Margaux

2020-08-25 Thread Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion
Well, Margaux is gone, so... I remove all consent about this contract and I leave this contract. On Tuesday, August 25, 2020, shelvacu via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I consent to this amended contract. > > On 8/19/20 10:35 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] Proofs of Claim

2020-08-24 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 8/24/20 5:04 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 2:04 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business > wrote: >> On 8/24/20 4:56 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: >>> Contract: Proofs of Claim >>> >>> Any player CAN, with notice, file a proof of a claim of a vali

DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] Proofs of Claim

2020-08-24 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 2:04 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > > On 8/24/20 4:56 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > > Contract: Proofs of Claim > > > > Any player CAN, with notice, file a proof of a claim of a valid > > judgement. The first player to do so CAN once act on Aris's

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: Let's snag D. Margaux

2020-08-21 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
On 8/21/2020 6:00 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: On Aug 21, 2020, at 1:31 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: On 8/19/2020 3:38 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: On Aug 19, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: On Aug 19, 2020, at 1

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: Let's snag D. Margaux

2020-08-21 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Aug 21, 2020, at 1:31 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On 8/19/2020 3:38 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: On Aug 19, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: >>> >>> On Aug 19, 2020, at 12:27 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-busin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: Let's snag D. Margaux

2020-08-21 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
On 8/19/2020 3:38 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: On Aug 19, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: On Aug 19, 2020, at 12:27 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: { Name: Team Margaux Parties: Gaelan Any player may become a party to this contra

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: Let's snag D. Margaux

2020-08-20 Thread Nathan S via agora-discussion
On 8/19/2020 10:35 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: On Aug 19, 2020, at 10:35 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: Darn, good catch. I intend, with the consent of all parties, to amend the contract to the following. TLDR: Anyone can transfer the coins from the contract

DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: Let's snag D. Margaux

2020-08-19 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Aug 19, 2020, at 6:36 PM, Falsifian via agora-business > wrote: > > Warning: the method for the August zombie auction stipulates that only > "funded" players can be awardees for the auction. Funded players are > "players who have at least as much of that auction's currency as eir > highe

DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: Let's snag D. Margaux

2020-08-19 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 8/19/20 8:36 PM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: > Warning: the method for the August zombie auction stipulates that only > "funded" players can be awardees for the auction. Funded players are > "players who have at least as much of that auction's currency as eir > highest bid on that auctio

DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: Let's snag D. Margaux

2020-08-19 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Aug 19, 2020, at 12:27 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business > wrote: > > { > Name: Team Margaux > Parties: Gaelan > > Any player may become a party to this contract. Any player other than Gaelan > may cease to be a party to this contract. > > Any party may transfer coins to this contra

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] Agoran Underground Betting Ring

2020-07-22 Thread Falsifian via agora-discussion
On 2020-07-22 7:16 a.m., Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: On Jul 21, 2020, at 11:55 AM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: Typo Good catches. I consent to amending the contract to the following, and do so: Still NTTPF. I'm not sure if your TTttPF contract works for contract

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] Agoran Underground Betting Ring

2020-07-22 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 11:55 AM, Falsifian via agora-discussion > wrote: > > Typo Good catches. I consent to amending the contract to the following, and do so: { Title: The Agoran Underground Betting Ring Any player may become a member of this contract by announcement. Any person who is no

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] Agoran Underground Betting Ring

2020-07-21 Thread Falsifian via agora-discussion
Sounds fun. I may join if I find something to bet on. It might be useful to allow specifying different wagers for the Initiator and Challengor so we can bet on things we all agree are probably true, but where we disagree on how "probably" they are true. Challengor is a bet switch, tracked by

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] Agoran Underground Betting Ring

2020-07-21 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 7/21/20 5:59 AM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > Of course, I immediately discover several small errors. I consent to amending > the contract to the following, and do so: NttPF. -- Jason Cobb

DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] Agoran Underground Betting Ring

2020-07-21 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 2:50 AM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business > wrote: > > I create, consent to, etc the following contract: { > Title: The Agoran Underground Betting Ring > > Any player may become a member of this contract by announcement. Any person > who is not the Ringleader or the Ini

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: A Rival Ship Appears

2020-07-14 Thread Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion
Couldn't you re-do the amendment indefinitely? On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 12:09 AM Nch via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Monday, July 13, 2020 5:07 PM, Nch via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > ‐‐‐

DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: A Rival Ship Appears

2020-07-13 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, July 13, 2020 5:02 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: > > I propose the following amendment to The Platonic Parrot: > > { > Replace the following text: > > "This contract may be amended by a Platonic Pirate with the consent of > 2/3rds (rounded up) of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: A Rival Ship Appears

2020-07-13 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
Is there a preferred fix to this? Just adding a time period to it? Original Message On Jul 13, 2020, 3:44 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > On 7/13/20 4:25 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: >>> This contract may be amended by a Platonic Pirate with the consent o

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: A Rival Ship Appears

2020-07-13 Thread Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion
*kisses their Locker* On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 10:26 PM Falsifian via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > This contract may be amended by a Platonic Pirate with the consent of > > 2/3rds (rounded up) of all Platonic Pirates. > > This lets a fast-acting 2/3 of the parties

DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: A Rival Ship Appears

2020-07-13 Thread Falsifian via agora-discussion
This contract may be amended by a Platonic Pirate with the consent of 2/3rds (rounded up) of all Platonic Pirates. This lets a fast-acting 2/3 of the parties take stuff from the remaining 1/3. -- Falsifian

DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: A Rival Ship Appears

2020-07-12 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
I leave the Pirate Plundership. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, July 12, 2020 7:22 PM, Nch via agora-business wrote: > I consent to the following contract: > > { > > The Platonic Parrot > > A party to this contract is also known as a Platonic Pirate. Any player > who is not currentl

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] Public Lockers

2020-07-08 Thread omd via agora-discussion
at 11:30 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: Damn it. I broke that one way, and then my fix broke it another way. You are referring, I presume, to the fact that one doesn't need to consent to create a promise? Yeah. At least I can't think of a situation where that's exploitable

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] Public Lockers

2020-07-07 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 11:20 PM omd via agora-discussion wrote: > > at 11:06 PM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > I think that having single-party contracts feels / is safer. You can > > arbitrarily amend it without needing to rely on anyone else and nobody else > > can join it whi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] Public Lockers

2020-07-07 Thread omd via agora-discussion
at 11:06 PM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: I think that having single-party contracts feels / is safer. You can arbitrarily amend it without needing to rely on anyone else and nobody else can join it which adds another layer of speculative protection. I don’t think single-party co

DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] Public Lockers

2020-07-07 Thread Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion
I think that having single-party contracts feels / is safer. You can arbitrarily amend it without needing to rely on anyone else and nobody else can join it which adds another layer of speculative protection. On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 12:03 AM ATMunn via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org

DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] Public Lockers

2020-07-07 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 7/7/20 6:02 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: > When a person transfers any number of assets to this contract, those > assets are considered to be in eir account. A party to this contract CAN > transfer any number of assets from eir account to emself. Attempts to > transfer more assets to ems

DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract, CFJ] Amusing Test Case

2020-07-01 Thread omd via agora-discussion
> On Jun 30, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business > wrote: > > I CFJ "Aris MAY Call Destruction Down Upon the contract Amusing Test Case.” Arguments: The amusement switch is not a real switch, anyway, because it is not "a property that the rules define as a switch”. It’s just

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: SNOCS (Simple, No-Opportunity-Cost Sets)

2020-06-28 Thread omd via agora-discussion
> On Jun 28, 2020, at 5:12 PM, nch via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On 6/28/20 7:07 PM, omd via agora-business wrote: >> Any player CAN join the contract by announcement; any party CAN leave the >> contract by announcement. Any party CAN remove another party from the >> contract >> without

DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: SNOCS (Simple, No-Opportunity-Cost Sets)

2020-06-28 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On 6/28/20 7:07 PM, omd via agora-business wrote: > Any player CAN join the contract by announcement; any party CAN leave the > contract by announcement. Any party CAN remove another party from the > contract > without objection. Each party consents to the aforementioned membership > changes.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] Agoran officer monetizes signature

2020-06-21 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 2020-06-21 20:04, nch via agora-discussion wrote: I transfer 3 coins to SEAMSTRESS and specify the text "don't... trust... the dragon..." I approve this signature suggestion, transferring 3 coins to myself. -- Trigon transfer Jason one coin nch was here I hereby don't... trust... the drago

DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] Agoran officer monetizes signature

2020-06-21 Thread nch via agora-discussion
I transfer 3 coins to SEAMSTRESS and specify the text "don't... trust... the dragon..." -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager

DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] Agoran officer monetizes signature

2020-06-21 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
On 6/21/2020 7:16 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: I consent to the below contract (sorry Notary). it's really fine, I joke about being overwhelmed but now that I've gotten caught up it's really not that hard to just copy and paste stuff, which is pretty much all my job is -- ATM

DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] Agoran officer monetizes signature

2020-06-21 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On 6/21/20 7:16 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: > I consent to the below contract (sorry Notary). > > - > Signature Enthusiast Allows Modification of Signature Through Rigorous > Exchanging of Signature Suggestions > > Players can join and leave this contract at any time. > > Any

DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] Co Dependents

2020-06-14 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On 6/14/20 8:53 AM, Rebecca via agora-business wrote: > I become a party to this contract (I don't own any cards or products lol)' May our fortunes rise and fall together. -- nch Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager, Pirate

DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] The Needlessly Abstract Exchange

2020-06-03 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 11:36 AM nch via agora-business wrote: > > On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 11:25:25 PM CDT nch via agora-business wrote: > > PART IV: Annulling Orders > > > > When the Exchange Manager believes that it would be impossible to > > fulfill an open order or that the expiration conditio

DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] The Needlessly Abstract Exchange

2020-06-02 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
> On Jun 2, 2020, at 20:51, nch via agora-business > wrote: > > I agree to the following > > { > > Contract: Needlessly Abstract Exchange > > Part I: Definitions > > The Needlessly Abstract Exchange (also known as NAX) is a contract which > facilitates trading among Agorans by providing

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract to win the game by circuitous means

2020-05-07 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
By the way I hope everyone knows I will call all future CFJs with magic about how it is possible to do something just in case of indeterminacy On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 11:32 PM Rebecca wrote: > Oh yes, that in 2166 will do it. Fine, I retract my two most recent CFJs > and destroy my most recent co

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract to win the game by circuitous means

2020-05-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/7/2020 6:32 AM, Rebecca via agora-business wrote: > Oh yes, that in 2166 will do it. Fine, I retract my two most recent CFJs > and destroy my most recent contract. I could just re-CFJ the original CFJ > with slightly different magic words phrasing but that would risk > IRRELEVANCE (for dupl

DIS: Re: BUS: Contract to win the game by circuitous means

2020-05-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/7/2020 12:28 AM, Rebecca via agora-business wrote: > I create a contract with the following text > > "Any player may become a party to this contract. Any party to this > contract may act on behalf of R. Lee to trasnfer one coin away from em to > emselves. The previous sentence is void and

DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Hash

2018-11-05 Thread Reuben Staley
1. I believe this contains no actions, despite the fact that you meant the contents of this message to be a hash of a contract. 2. There's not really a reason to submit a contract as a hash unless you sent it privately to someone else and intend to reveal it later, in which case you would want to s

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Amendment

2018-04-13 Thread Corona
What about amending "Hi" in such a way that everyone gets a coin and VJ Rada gets the rest back? I wouldn't object to that.​ On 10:13, Apr 12, 2018, at 10:13, Aris Merchant wrote: >Sigh. I tend to agree with you, actually. All of your assets is a bit >much. >That might be hard to recover from.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Amendment

2018-04-13 Thread Ned Strange
We should probably just remove the (syn. consents) On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 1:15 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Fri, 13 Apr 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote: >> On Thu, 12 Apr 2018, Corona wrote: >> >> > I withdraw my and Quazie's (acting on eir behalf) support for the >> > destruction of "Hi" - let'

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Amendment

2018-04-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 13 Apr 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Thu, 12 Apr 2018, Corona wrote: > > > I withdraw my and Quazie's (acting on eir behalf) support for the > > destruction of "Hi" - let's just have the vote on that proposal, and > > possibly destroy the contract later, if the proposal fails. > > I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Amendment

2018-04-12 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 12 Apr 2018, Corona wrote: I withdraw my and Quazie's (acting on eir behalf) support for the destruction of "Hi" - let's just have the vote on that proposal, and possibly destroy the contract later, if the proposal fails. It seems possible to read the combination of rule 2519 and rule

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Amendment

2018-04-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
Compromise: proposal offers a minor bribe of N of the contract's assets to the first N voters FOR the proposal - ends up being a partway penalty. On Thu, 12 Apr 2018, Corona wrote: > Well, you're right, the contract was harmless, and losing all the assets > would be crippling, but on the other

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Amendment

2018-04-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
I'll pay to pend it if you submit it. On Thu, 12 Apr 2018, Ned Strange wrote: > I couldn't myself write such a proposal, being without assets. > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 11:31 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > I think e should get it all back. It was harmless. > > > > If there isn't enough

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Amendment

2018-04-12 Thread Ned Strange
I couldn't myself write such a proposal, being without assets. On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 11:31 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > I think e should get it all back. It was harmless. > > If there isn't enough consensus for a w/o objection modification, > maybe a proposal (power 2.1 does it right?). > > I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Amendment

2018-04-12 Thread Corona
What about amending it in such a way that everyone gets a coin and VJ Rada gets the rest back? I wouldn't object to that. On Thursday, April 12, 2018, Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sigh. I tend to agree with you, actually. All of your assets is a bit much. > That m

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Amendment

2018-04-12 Thread Ned Strange
It's simple to win using zombiception. Step 1 get a zombie. Step 2 don't post for 60 days. Step 3 on behalf of your zombie, bid high on yourself, without flipping your own master switch. On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 6:22 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > Nothing involving giving a-d messages effect is legiti

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Amendment

2018-04-12 Thread Aris Merchant
Nothing involving giving a-d messages effect is legitimate (TBH, not sure whether that would work either). -Aris On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 1:20 AM Ned Strange wrote: > It wasn't really a scam it was going to be used for a perfectly > legitimate application of zombiception! > > On Thu, Apr 12, 201

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Amendment

2018-04-12 Thread Ned Strange
It wasn't really a scam it was going to be used for a perfectly legitimate application of zombiception! On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 6:13 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > Sigh. I tend to agree with you, actually. All of your assets is a bit much. > That might be hard to recover from. However, it isn't terri

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Amendment

2018-04-12 Thread Aris Merchant
Sigh. I tend to agree with you, actually. All of your assets is a bit much. That might be hard to recover from. However, it isn't terribly equitable for you to get off free after attempting a scam, even one that we've sort of encouraged with the Boo Lien system. Also, giving all of your assets to o

DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Amendment

2018-04-12 Thread Ned Strange
I really do think that me losing all of my assets over this is inequitable. On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Ned Strange wrote: > That is, I object for myself and PSS to Aris's intent > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 2:04 PM, Ned Strange wrote: >> I object both for myself and PSS. >> >> On Thu, Apr 1

DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Amendment

2018-04-11 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 12 Apr 2018, Ned Strange wrote: I object both for myself and PSS. to which intent? :P Greetings, Ørjan. On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 1:37 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: Well, I object. There is no reason we should allow you to reclaim your assets from a badly designed scam contract. I intend

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Creation

2018-04-11 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 11 Apr 2018, Kenyon Prater wrote: A related question, if a contact's state rests on something that is guaranteed to have a definite solution, but producing that solution computationally intractable, is there a mechanism for resolving that? It isn't paradoxical or indeterminate, it's just

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Creation

2018-04-11 Thread Aris Merchant
The contract's state would be fine, because it wouldn't be indeterminate. However, any conditional that depended upon it "depends on information that is indeterminate, or is impossible or unreasonably difficult to determine, or otherwise requires an unreasonable effort to resolve". We really should

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Creation

2018-04-11 Thread Kenyon Prater
A related question, if a contact's state rests on something that is guaranteed to have a definite solution, but producing that solution computationally intractable, is there a mechanism for resolving that? It isn't paradoxical or indeterminate, it's just that we don't have the ability to determine

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Creation

2018-04-11 Thread Corona
That's golden, almost title-worthy...​ On 14:42, Apr 11, 2018, at 14:42, Ned Strange wrote: >I found the answer, contracts can only amend themselves by >announcement (meaning my original contract there made does not work). > >I think contracts can only act by announcement, which seriously makes >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Creation

2018-04-11 Thread Ned Strange
I found the answer, contracts can only amend themselves by announcement (meaning my original contract there made does not work). I think contracts can only act by announcement, which seriously makes me wonder how I'm going to get all my assets back. On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:33 PM, Kerim Aydin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Creation

2018-04-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
A couple things: 1. Can a zombie "willfully" consent to joining a contract (R869 requirement)? I don't think so - see R2519. Nonetheless this may count as a "scare" since on reading that first message, people might not have known that. 2. I thought there was an "all parties have to have ha

DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Creation

2018-04-11 Thread Ned Strange
Hey absolute hypothetical fellas: what would happen if I made a contract that said "this contract automatically amends itself to whatever text V.J. Rada speaks in front of his computer after saying zibbledy zobbldy zam" or something like that. would that work? and could I make the position of asset

DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Destruction

2018-02-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 6 Feb 2018, VJ Rada wrote: > I convert all of my bills into shinies with the Credit Union Ambiguous transaction attempt, and the Credit Union has no shinies.

DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Destruction

2018-02-05 Thread Kerim Aydin
As current treasuror this does not communicate any transfers to me. (This would be true even if the contract had shines - beyond a reasonable effort to track) >From a purely theoretical point of view, it would be interesting to see if the rules could adjudicate the collapse of this contract in

DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Destruction

2018-02-05 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 6 Feb 2018, Telnaior wrote: I convert all of my bills into shinies with the Credit Union (this is still a thing, right?). In theory, but the Union has no shinies since the proposal "Rusty" passed. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] MiniNomic

2017-11-28 Thread ATMunn
Well, I think we'll just have it so that when the vote is resolved, the person who resolves it will repost the effects of the amendments (and possibly the new text of the contract) On 11/27/2017 9:31 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: On Nov 24, 2017, at 12:27 PM, ATMunn wrote: I vote YAY on both of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] MiniNomic

2017-11-27 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 24, 2017, at 12:27 PM, ATMunn wrote: > > I vote YAY on both of these. My understanding of the Notary rules is that I do not have to track instances of private assets, only the existence of whole classes of private assets. As such, I believe nobody actually records Amendment Proposals

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] MiniNomic

2017-11-24 Thread Corona
I create a new Amendment Proposal in the possesion of MN (This is how I'll be referring to MiniNomic from now on, for convenience): [If the following paragraph exists in MN's text, amend it by adding "than" between "less" and "24". A player CANNOT become a party to MiniNomic if e voluntarily ceas

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] MiniNomic

2017-11-24 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
There's a typo in the first. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Nov 24, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Corona wrote: > > I become party to MiniNomic. > > I create the following Amendment Proposal in MiniNomic's possession, > to preclude some possible future scam

DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] MiniNomic

2017-11-24 Thread Corona
I become party to MiniNomic. I create the following Amendment Proposal in MiniNomic's possession, to preclude some possible future scams: [A player CANNOT become a party to MiniNomic if e voluntarily ceased to be a party less 24 hours ago.] I also create the following Amendment Proposal in MiniN

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (Designating reportor)

2017-11-18 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 12 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: Amend Rule 2525, Interpreting Contracts, by: Removing item 6 of the numbered list and renumbering appropriately; and Changing the phrase "failing protected action" to read "failing to preform a protected action". I think you mean "perform". Greeti

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (Designating reportor)

2017-11-12 Thread Aris Merchant
It definitely shouldn't permit outsourcing. I would not want to allow a contract that allows for someone to deregister a player, or to start a festival. However, the protection of official actions has probably outlived its usefulness. Proto (also fixes an unrelated typo): Title: Contract Flexibili

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (Designating reportor)

2017-11-12 Thread Josh T
I need to keep an eye out for the Occult Hand anyway so I will be checking my email so this is hopefully functionally equivalent. I did write everything in half an hour, so... 天火狐 On 12 November 2017 at 22:36, Josh T wrote: > This text may also be worthy of a CFJ. > > I give 48 hours notice to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (Designating reportor)

2017-11-12 Thread VJ Rada
However, I did note and comment against that clause when voting on Contracts, yes. If necessary, we should trim protected actions. On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 2:28 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > ...Yes, that was the CFJ I was thinking of haha. Relevant text is > "Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, a contra

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (Designating reportor)

2017-11-12 Thread VJ Rada
...Yes, that was the CFJ I was thinking of haha. Relevant text is "Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, a contract CANNOT compel, forbid, or in any significant way alter, tamper with, or modify the performance of a protected action", which I believe is rather ambiguous and should be read narrowly

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (Designating reportor)

2017-11-12 Thread Aris Merchant
Won't work, due to my excessive paranoia. See the list of protected actions, item 6. -Aris On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 7:21 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > I become a party to the below contract > (I may have a CFJ regarding it at some point, because it's me, of course). > > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 2:12 PM,

DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (Designating reportor)

2017-11-12 Thread VJ Rada
I become a party to the below contract (I may have a CFJ regarding it at some point, because it's me, of course). On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Josh T wrote: > Since I'll be busy and apparently was remiss in doing things in the > upstanding Agoran fashion, on suggestion I am going to make the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (It's all you, o.)

2017-11-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 7, 2017, at 7:21 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 8 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: >> 1: Make transactions from the Head to Agora of exactly 1 shiny, for >> the sole purpose of paying for an Estate. > > Counterarguments: > > We've previously found that if you try to pay for somet

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (It's all you, o.)

2017-11-07 Thread ATMunn
(or at least, one of the reasons) On 11/7/2017 8:30 PM, ATMunn wrote: This whole thing is why I want to get my Auctions proposal done as soon as possible... On 11/7/2017 8:29 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: The wording is different enough on Auctions versus typical spend actions that you still have

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (It's all you, o.)

2017-11-07 Thread ATMunn
This whole thing is why I want to get my Auctions proposal done as soon as possible... On 11/7/2017 8:29 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: The wording is different enough on Auctions versus typical spend actions that you still have a good chance IMO... On Wed, 8 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: Yup. Now looki

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (It's all you, o.)

2017-11-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
The wording is different enough on Auctions versus typical spend actions that you still have a good chance IMO... On Wed, 8 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > Yup. Now looking desperately for infinite-money scams brb. > > > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (It's all you, o.)

2017-11-07 Thread VJ Rada
Yup. Now looking desperately for infinite-money scams brb. On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Tue, 7 Nov 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On Wed, 8 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: >> > I don't remember that, but if you say so (and if there was a CFJ on >> > it). I'm happy to acc

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (It's all you, o.)

2017-11-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 7 Nov 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Wed, 8 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > > I don't remember that, but if you say so (and if there was a CFJ on > > it). I'm happy to accept the card if I have to. > > No don't take my word for it. The argument depends on the pays/paid > grammar and that may

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