Re: DIS: RE: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly and Monthly Contract Reports

2009-04-06 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: > On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 14:27 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Alex Smith wrote: >>> The data's all there, and we're left with no legal recourse to get it >>> back again as Wikidot don't allow automated scraping; the Notary reports >>> are "manual scraping"

Re: DIS: RE: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly and Monthly Contract Reports

2009-04-06 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/4/6 Ian Kelly : > with, say, wikia syntax? I feel tempted to slightly misquote jwz.

Re: DIS: RE: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly and Monthly Contract Reports

2009-04-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 14:27 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > The data's all there, and we're left with no legal recourse to get it > > back again as Wikidot don't allow automated scraping; the Notary reports > > are "manual scraping" by copy/paste. So

Re: DIS: RE: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly and Monthly Contract Reports

2009-04-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Alex Smith wrote: >> The data's all there, and we're left with no legal recourse to get it >> back again as Wikidot don't allow automated scraping; the Notary reports >> are "manual scraping" by copy/paste. So migr

Re: DIS: RE: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly and Monthly Contract Reports

2009-04-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > The data's all there, and we're left with no legal recourse to get it > back again as Wikidot don't allow automated scraping; the Notary reports > are "manual scraping" by copy/paste. So migrating back would be rather > tricky and time-consuming,

Re: DIS: RE: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly and Monthly Contract Reports

2009-04-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 14:10 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Elliott Hird > wrote: > > Wikidot is just a bad VCS (does it even handle non-linear edits? I > > doubt it.) > > Non-linear edits? Are you referring to branching/merging? > More to the point, Wikidot doesn't ev

Re: DIS: RE: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly and Monthly Contract Reports

2009-04-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: > Wikidot is just a bad VCS (does it even handle non-linear edits? I > doubt it.) Non-linear edits? Are you referring to branching/merging? -root

Re: DIS: RE: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly and Monthly Contract Reports

2009-04-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 15:54 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Elliott Hird > wrote: > > Wikidot is just a bad VCS (does it even handle non-linear edits? I > > doubt it.) operating on a bad document format with an awful interface > > that requires javascript and that ha

Re: DIS: RE: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly and Monthly Contract Reports

2009-04-06 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: > Wikidot is just a bad VCS (does it even handle non-linear edits? I > doubt it.) operating on a bad document format with an awful interface > that requires javascript and that has no way to get non-HTML out of > it; even scraping is prohibited b

Re: DIS: RE: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly and Monthly Contract Reports

2009-04-06 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: > 2009/4/6 Ed Murphy : >> A wiki is just a VCS with a GUI front-end. Â Discuss. > > Wikidot is just a bad VCS (does it even handle non-linear edits? I > doubt it.) operating on a bad document format with an awful interface > that requires javascript and that has no way to get non-HTM

Re: DIS: RE: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly and Monthly Contract Reports

2009-04-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 20:41 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: > 2009/4/6 Ed Murphy : > > A wiki is just a VCS with a GUI front-end. Discuss. > > Wikidot is just a bad VCS (does it even handle non-linear edits? I > doubt it.) operating on a bad document format with an awful interface > that requires java

Re: DIS: RE: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly and Monthly Contract Reports

2009-04-06 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/4/6 Ed Murphy : > A wiki is just a VCS with a GUI front-end.  Discuss. Wikidot is just a bad VCS (does it even handle non-linear edits? I doubt it.) operating on a bad document format with an awful interface that requires javascript and that has no way to get non-HTML out of it; even scraping

Re: DIS: RE: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly and Monthly Contract Reports

2009-04-06 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: > 2009/4/6 Ed Murphy : >> The main advantage I see with a wiki is that it's easy for anyone else >> to review the change history (I'm sure you could make this possible >> with $FAVORITE_VCS as well, but probably not as easy). Â I agree that it >> doesn't make much difference to the No

Re: DIS: RE: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly and Monthly Contract Reports

2009-04-06 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/4/6 Ed Murphy : > The main advantage I see with a wiki is that it's easy for anyone else > to review the change history (I'm sure you could make this possible > with $FAVORITE_VCS as well, but probably not as easy).  I agree that it > doesn't make much difference to the Notary if e's equally f

Re: DIS: RE: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly and Monthly Contract Reports

2009-04-06 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: > On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 16:15 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: >> 2009/4/6 Ed Murphy : >>> For entering things, sure, but for being able to analyze purported >>> errors and correct them if needed? Not everyone has their own VCS. >>> >> (git|darcs|hg) is hard, let's go shopping. > > Durin

Re: DIS: RE: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly and Monthly Contract Reports

2009-04-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 16:15 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: > 2009/4/6 Ed Murphy : > > For entering things, sure, but for being able to analyze purported > > errors and correct them if needed? Not everyone has their own VCS. > > > > (git|darcs|hg) is hard, let's go shopping. During my previous stint

Re: DIS: RE: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly and Monthly Contract Reports

2009-04-06 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/4/6 Ed Murphy : > For entering things, sure, but for being able to analyze purported > errors and correct them if needed?  Not everyone has their own VCS. > (git|darcs|hg) is hard, let's go shopping.

Re: DIS: RE: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly and Monthly Contract Reports

2009-04-05 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: >>> (The whole setup seems rather suboptimal to me, as I have to try to >>> reflect everything that happens contract-wise on the wiki, and would >>> have to check anyway, as Notary, to ensure everything is up-to-date. >>> Therefore, the wiki adds no real convenience to me, as people n

Re: DIS: RE: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly and Monthly Contract Reports

2009-04-05 Thread Elliott Hird
On 2009-04-06, Ed Murphy wrote: > ais523 wrote: > >> root wrote: >>> I tried to edit my own page on the Notary wiki a few weeks ago and was >>> unable to. >> >> You have to ask Murphy for edit permissions to be able to edit the wiki. >> (The whole setup seems rather suboptimal to me, as I have to

Re: DIS: RE: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly and Monthly Contract Reports

2009-04-05 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: > root wrote: >> I tried to edit my own page on the Notary wiki a few weeks ago and was >> unable to. > > You have to ask Murphy for edit permissions to be able to edit the wiki. > (The whole setup seems rather suboptimal to me, as I have to try to > reflect everything that happens

DIS: RE: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly and Monthly Contract Reports

2009-04-05 Thread Alexander Smith
root wrote: > I tried to edit my own page on the Notary wiki a few weeks ago and was > unable to. You have to ask Murphy for edit permissions to be able to edit the wiki. (The whole setup seems rather suboptimal to me, as I have to try to reflect everything that happens contract-wise on the wiki,