DIS: [FRC] Delays Again

2019-08-02 Thread Aris Merchant
Hello all! OOC: I technically have everything ready, and could start the tournament literally right now. That said, I'm going to be driving home from a vacation tomorrow, and wouldn't have the time to get things started properly. So I'm thinking to wait till tomorrow evening. IC: Agora is shroude

DIS: [Promotor] Draft Report

2019-08-02 Thread Aris Merchant
Here's a draft. While I obviously can't declare a deadline under the current rules, it would be highly appreciated if people could refrain from changing things for the next 24 hours or so. -Aris --- I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran Decision of whether to adopt it, a

Re: DIS: Draft Judgement in CFJ 3765

2019-08-02 Thread Jason Cobb
On 8/2/19 11:27 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: [This is only a draft.] Sorry if this way too long (I could probably trim it down a bit if necessary), but I did my best to cover all the ground that needs to be covered. Judgement in CFJ 3765: I should probably clarify: I'm asking for feedback. Does

DIS: Draft Judgement in CFJ 3765

2019-08-02 Thread Jason Cobb
[This is only a draft.] Sorry if this way too long (I could probably trim it down a bit if necessary), but I did my best to cover all the ground that needs to be covered. Judgement in CFJ 3765: I will begin by reading into the record this message from G. ([0]): A little gratuitous for CF

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3761 Assigned to G.

2019-08-02 Thread Jason Cobb
On 8/2/19 9:03 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: The rule does not explicitly specify an agent, nor does it say that to ratify a public document is to cause the changes to the gamestate (in which case I would agree with you). Clarification: the Rules do not say that the performance of the ratification i

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3765 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2019-08-02 Thread Jason Cobb
On 8/2/19 9:03 PM, D. Margaux wrote: I think the Ossification judgement should address what it means to make a single rule "change," as opposed to multiple rule changes. That would help us know what it would mean for an arbitrary rule change to be IMPOSSIBLE. In particular, i would like to kno

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3761 Assigned to G.

2019-08-02 Thread Jason Cobb
On 8/2/19 8:37 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > ===  CFJ 3761 === > >    A party to the contract in evidence CAN create a gift by some >    method. > > == Judgemen

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3765 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2019-08-02 Thread D. Margaux
I think the Ossification judgement should address what it means to make a single rule "change," as opposed to multiple rule changes. That would help us know what it would mean for an arbitrary rule change to be IMPOSSIBLE. In particular, i would like to know: if I can draft a single new rule th

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3765 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2019-08-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
A little gratuitous for CFJ 3765-3766: It's likely that an "arbitrary rule change" can be made by first making other rule changes to remove any impediments, and then making the arbitrary change. However, in judging whether some kind of change is POSSIBLE, we judge based on the current ruleset

Re: Cheap first wins (Re: DIS: Clairvoyant Roshambo)

2019-08-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 2:14 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > How exactly would the Rules specify different methods of victory? I've > seen that Victory Conditions were a thing in the past, but they don't > exist any more. It's ultimately up to the Herald's discretion and some degree of consensus, but the "

Re: Cheap first wins (Re: DIS: Clairvoyant Roshambo)

2019-08-02 Thread ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk
On Fri, 2019-08-02 at 14:56 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 2:17 PM ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk > wrote: > > A bug exploit could /be/ a win as intended, if the bug had been > > placed there intentionally by the proposer. "Convince people to > > adopt a buggy victory condition and w

Re: Cheap first wins (Re: DIS: Clairvoyant Roshambo)

2019-08-02 Thread nch
On 8/2/19 4:56 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 2:17 PM ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote: A bug exploit could /be/ a win as intended, if the bug had been placed there intentionally by the proposer. "Convince people to adopt a buggy victory condition and win immediately" is one of t

Re: Cheap first wins (Re: DIS: Clairvoyant Roshambo)

2019-08-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 2:17 PM ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote: > A bug exploit could /be/ a win as intended, if the bug had been placed > there intentionally by the proposer. "Convince people to adopt a buggy > victory condition and win immediately" is one of the more common > winning techniques a

Re: Cheap first wins (Re: DIS: Clairvoyant Roshambo)

2019-08-02 Thread ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk
On Fri, 2019-08-02 at 14:02 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Actually, I wonder if we should think about some kind of "debugging" > mechanism for victories. Something like "when a win method is first > implemented (some mechanism, probably involving Agoran Consent, for > figuring out whether the first

Re: Cheap first wins (Re: DIS: Clairvoyant Roshambo)

2019-08-02 Thread Jason Cobb
On 8/2/19 5:02 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Fair point, and it's a matter of preference. This just seemed a bit experimental for a full win mechanism to me. Actually, I wonder if we should think about some kind of "debugging" mechanism for victories. Something like "when a win method is first impleme

Cheap first wins (Re: DIS: Clairvoyant Roshambo)

2019-08-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
> > Fair point, and it's a matter of preference. This just seemed a bit > > experimental for a full win mechanism to me. Actually, I wonder if we should think about some kind of "debugging" mechanism for victories. Something like "when a win method is first implemented (some mechanism, probably i

Re: DIS: Clairvoyant Roshambo

2019-08-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 1:48 PM Aris Merchant wrote: > On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 1:46 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > Aris wrote: > > > * I'd prefer an award of coins along with a SHOULD encouraging the Herald > > > to give the patent title of "Time Lord" > > > > Every other subgame has "win = Champion

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft Pool Revision

2019-08-02 Thread Aris Merchant
On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 1:49 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > > 8/2/19 4:42 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > > Does this do the trick? > > > > -Aris > > > > --- > > CoE: The last Proposal Pool left out several proposals. > > > > Accepted. Revision: At ~20:45:03 UTC Jul 28, when the last > > non-revision proposal >

Re: DIS: Clairvoyant Roshambo

2019-08-02 Thread Jason Cobb
On 7/31/19 11:04 AM, James Cook wrote: Whenever a player has not done so in the past 4 days, e CAN Commune with the Wheel by unconditional announcement, specifying Rock, Paper or Scissors. A player CAN Reach into the Past by unconditional announcement at any time. If

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft Pool Revision

2019-08-02 Thread Jason Cobb
8/2/19 4:42 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: Does this do the trick? -Aris --- CoE: The last Proposal Pool left out several proposals. Accepted. Revision: At ~20:45:03 UTC Jul 28, when the last non-revision proposal pool report was published, the proposal pool contained the following proposals: Au

Re: DIS: Clairvoyant Roshambo

2019-08-02 Thread Aris Merchant
On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 1:46 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Aris wrote: > > * I'd prefer an award of coins along with a SHOULD encouraging the Herald > > to give the patent title of "Time Lord" > > Every other subgame has "win = Champion" (method of win could be noted > as "Time Lord"). But not sure wh

Re: DIS: Clairvoyant Roshambo

2019-08-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
Aris wrote: > * I'd prefer an award of coins along with a SHOULD encouraging the Herald > to give the patent title of "Time Lord" Every other subgame has "win = Champion" (method of win could be noted as "Time Lord"). But not sure why we'd have a special-coded patent title for what's basically a

DIS: [Promotor] Draft Pool Revision

2019-08-02 Thread Aris Merchant
Does this do the trick? -Aris --- CoE: The last Proposal Pool left out several proposals. Accepted. Revision: At ~20:45:03 UTC Jul 28, when the last non-revision proposal pool report was published, the proposal pool contained the following proposals: Author(s)AITitle ---

Re: DIS: Clairvoyant Roshambo

2019-08-02 Thread Aris Merchant
On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 8:04 AM James Cook wrote: > > That's a good point. Maybe we could add "as long as the announcement > > is not conditioned on anything". It's possible that R478's requirement > > that "by announcement" actions must be unambiguous would imply this > > anyway. > > > > -- > >

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Monthly report, with correction to previous

2019-08-02 Thread James Cook
On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 at 16:08, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On 8/1/2019 8:59 AM, James Cook wrote: > > Note: The previous monthly report incorrectly listed the deregistration > > dates of 天火狐 and pokes as January 2019. The correct month is February > > 2019, as listed in this report. > > Can you list Ten