Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3430 assigned to ais523

2014-10-06 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 11:28 PM, Sprocklem wrote: > Also, there were several paragraph breaks that were lost in your > adjustment of whitespace. > > -- > Sprocklem > You say "paragraph breaks". I hear "whitespace". -scshunt

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3430 assigned to ais523

2014-10-06 Thread Sprocklem
On 2014-10-06 21:23, Sprocklem wrote: > On 2014-10-06 17:33, Sean Hunt wrote: >> When interpreting and applying the rules, the text of the rules >> >> >> takesprecedence.Wherethetextissilent,inconsistent,orunclear,itistobeaugmentedbygamecustom,commonsense,pastjudgements,andconsi

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3430 assigned to ais523

2014-10-06 Thread Sprocklem
On 2014-10-06 17:33, Sean Hunt wrote: > When interpreting and applying the rules, the text of the rules > > > takesprecedence.Wherethetextissilent,inconsistent,orunclear,itistobeaugmentedbygamecustom,commonsense,pastjudgements,andconsiderationofthebestinterestsofthegame.Definiti

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3430 assigned to ais523

2014-10-06 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > [Nichdel: do you want to be on the list of judges?] > > CFJ 3430 > is hereby assigned to ais523. Arguments: If Rule 2429 does lead to rules having extremely ambiguous meanings, then Rule 217 says: When interpreting and applying the

Re: DIS: judicial proto 2

2014-10-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014, Jonathan Rouillard wrote: > I agree as well, although I do wonder if it makes it so that there is > no actual upper limit, then. =P Upper limit is a week, because that's the fastest a Proposal can get passed, so if we set it longer than a week, the whole Proposal system wou

Re: DIS: judicial proto 2

2014-10-06 Thread Jonathan Rouillard
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 4:15 PM, omd wrote: > On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Hi omd, a genuine question for you: >> >> Let's say that I was a player that hadn't posted for a couple weeks >> before your scam. >> >> Let's further say that, on Day 2, I post the following: "I n

Re: DIS: judicial proto 2

2014-10-06 Thread omd
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Hi omd, a genuine question for you: > > Let's say that I was a player that hadn't posted for a couple weeks > before your scam. > > Let's further say that, on Day 2, I post the following: "I noticed > that omd just tried a long scam but I didn'

Re: DIS: judicial proto 2

2014-10-06 Thread omd
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > For example, in your case, you surprised us with an unexpected > interpretation of a brand new rule (and a nice one, I might add), > scammed the moment the new rule was adopted. This "surprise" means we > should have plenty of time to review it

Re: DIS: judicial proto 2

2014-10-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Mon, 6 Oct 2014, omd wrote: > > Anyway, wrt the judgement itself, I continue to maintain that a > > process need not be precisely known in advance to be a process, and > > that there should be a strong bias against reading a broadly worded > > clause wh

Re: DIS: judicial proto 2

2014-10-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014, omd wrote: > ... where public review was clearly not practically affected. Note: I specifically disagree with this assertion. Of course I had time to review the issue if it were, say, a priority job assignment in real life. But the frequency with which I check in on Agor

Re: DIS: judicial proto 2

2014-10-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014, omd wrote: > Anyway, wrt the judgement itself, I continue to maintain that a > process need not be precisely known in advance to be a process, and > that there should be a strong bias against reading a broadly worded > clause whose purpose is to ensure public review as applyi

Re: DIS: judicial proto 2

2014-10-06 Thread omd
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2014-10-06 at 09:32 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> 7. omd was clearly "counting" on us making that assumption, then >> pointing out that the assumption wrong. Now, if omd had shown >> the assumption was wrong due to a hidden speci

Re: DIS: judicial proto 2

2014-10-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014, Alex Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2014-10-06 at 09:32 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > 7. omd was clearly "counting" on us making that assumption, then > > pointing out that the assumption wrong. Now, if omd had shown > > the assumption was wrong due to a hidden specific rule

Re: DIS: judicial proto 2

2014-10-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2014-10-06 at 09:32 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > 7. omd was clearly "counting" on us making that assumption, then > pointing out that the assumption wrong. Now, if omd had shown > the assumption was wrong due to a hidden specific rules loophole, > that's how the game is played.

DIS: judicial proto 2

2014-10-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
Well, #1 judgement was a rousing success. Don't get a third chance. Here's an outline of my new logic for discussion: 1. There is a process, can be informal, or somewhat informally specified. omd's announcement of intent was good enough to start a review process. 2. The DEFAULT