Re: DIS: Re: BUS: WALRUS #2

2007-12-19 Thread Ian Kelly
On Dec 19, 2007 11:18 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > T1 = first time at which pikhq claimed to register WALRUS > T2 = second time at which pikhq claimed to register WALRUS > > Based on information known to pikhq at the time, and without resorting > to retroactivity, WALRUS was a person

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: WALRUS #2

2007-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
I wrote: I agree with pikhq that, in context, WALRUS clearly referred to a partnership with then-undisclosed basis. Actually, I think this was comex's argument. Blah. Things get rough when the message backlog gets this large and complex. Anyway, the CotC DB is caught up now (except for a co

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1836: assign pikhq

2007-12-19 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007, Josiah Worcester wrote: > As H. Notary Goethe can confirm, it is a distinct partnership. > If you really *must* know, its basis consists of myself and avpx. Is this permission for me to confirm or deny this publicly? (One might think the fact that I am asking if I have perm

DIS: Re: BUS: WALRUS #2

2007-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: If WALRUS is a person, and was a person at the time that you originally attempted to register it, then it was capable of submitting CFJs then. It failed only because you failed to make a suitable announcement. I agree with pikhq that, in context, WALRUS clearly referred to a part

DIS: Re: BUS: WALRUS #2

2007-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: If WALRUS was not a player before this message, it submits the CFJs that it would have submitted if it were a player before this message. Since I have to track whether this series of alleged actions created any Blue Marks, I interpret matters as follows, pending clear and convinci

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJs 1826-1827: assign root

2007-12-19 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007, Ian Kelly wrote: > Finally, Rule 2156 defines circumstances under which VVLOP is > specifically set to an integer value. Each week, EVLOP is explicitly > "rounded to an integer", making it clearly an integer, and VVLOP is > then "set to the same rounded value", not to an equ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1836: assign pikhq

2007-12-19 Thread Josiah Worcester
On Wednesday 19 December 2007 22:50:03 Ed Murphy wrote: > pikhq wrote: > > > On Wednesday 19 December 2007 15:54:10 Zefram wrote: > >> I hereby assign pikhq as judge of CFJ 1836. > >> > >> Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=1836 > >> > >> == CFJ

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1836: assign pikhq

2007-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: On Wednesday 19 December 2007 15:54:10 Zefram wrote: I hereby assign pikhq as judge of CFJ 1836. Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=1836 == CFJ 1836 == Type: inquir

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Execute!

2007-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: On Tuesday 18 December 2007 13:38:42 comex wrote: The AFO and I create the following contract: {{ 1. This is a contract governed by the rules of Agora. Its parties are the AFO and comex. Its set of parties CANNOT be changed. Invalid partnership. You're part of the basis of

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1828a: assign Iammars, Levi, root

2007-12-19 Thread Levi Stephen
Ian Kelly wrote: On Dec 19, 2007 8:45 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is reasonable to assume that there was evidence of the act when Agora's Child submitted that CFJ. . . Considering that I myself caused Agora's Child to do so. ;) Speculation about motive is poor evidence.

DIS: Re: OFF: recent CotC-tracked VC/mark awards

2007-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: APPROX DATE (UTC) CASE SUBJECTAWD EVENT [snip] > 02 Dec 2007 23:39:06 1818 pikhq +1b call for judgement This didn't happen, due to 2176 (+b)'s "except as noted below" clause. > 05 Dec 2007 16:15:56 1812 BobTHJ -1B judgement overturned > 05 Dec 2007 17:47

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1828a: assign Iammars, Levi, root

2007-12-19 Thread Levi Stephen
Apparently, this test case is testing whether an assertion that an action happened outside of the public forum can even be evidenced in the game. . . Intriguing. An assertion on whether an action happened on the public forum IMO wouldn't be sufficient evidence either, but the archives wo

DIS: Re: OFF: CFJs 1841-1843: assign Goethe

2007-12-19 Thread comex
On Wednesday 19 December 2007, Zefram wrote: > Statement: It is possible for a game action to take effect > retroactively. > Statement: It is possible for a contract change to take effect >retroactively. Gratuitous arguments: I would argue that both are possible by means of a rule, pro

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1828a: assign Iammars, Levi, root

2007-12-19 Thread Ian Kelly
On Dec 19, 2007 8:45 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is reasonable to assume that there was evidence of the act when Agora's > Child submitted that CFJ. . . > Considering that I myself caused Agora's Child to do so. ;) Speculation about motive is poor evidence. Agora's Child

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1828a: assign Iammars, Levi, root

2007-12-19 Thread comex
On Wednesday 19 December 2007, Josiah Worcester wrote: > On Wednesday 19 December 2007 20:43:10 Levi Stephen wrote: > > I'm happy that SLIPPERY was the appropriate decision. The defandant's > > assertion/admittance that the alleged act occured was not available at > > the time that judgement occure

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1831: recuse, assign Goddess Eris

2007-12-19 Thread Zefram
comex wrote: >On Dec 19, 2007 10:35 PM, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Initiator: comex >CoE: pikhq is the initiator. Admitted: CFJ 1831 was initiated by pikhq. I made a similar error regarding CFJ 1828a, also initiated by pikhq. I've corrected my case files.

DIS: Re: BUS: I'm watching

2007-12-19 Thread Steve Gardner
Josiah Worcester wrote: On Wednesday 19 December 2007 20:45:51 Steve Gardner wrote: H. Promotor root, Please list me as a Watcher. Hello, Agorans. A funny thing happened to me a few days ago: a man from California who is writing a book about the role cockpit automation systems in airline

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1828a: assign Iammars, Levi, root

2007-12-19 Thread Josiah Worcester
On Wednesday 19 December 2007 20:54:31 Levi Stephen wrote: > Josiah Worcester wrote: > > On Wednesday 19 December 2007 20:43:10 Levi Stephen wrote: > >> I'm happy that SLIPPERY was the appropriate decision. The defandant's > >> assertion/admittance that the alleged act occured was not available at

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1828a: assign Iammars, Levi, root

2007-12-19 Thread Levi Stephen
Josiah Worcester wrote: On Wednesday 19 December 2007 20:43:10 Levi Stephen wrote: I'm happy that SLIPPERY was the appropriate decision. The defandant's assertion/admittance that the alleged act occured was not available at the time that judgement occured. Is REMAND appropriate if new evidence

DIS: Re: BUS: I'm watching

2007-12-19 Thread Josiah Worcester
On Wednesday 19 December 2007 20:45:51 Steve Gardner wrote: > H. Promotor root, > > Please list me as a Watcher. Hello, Agorans. > > A funny thing happened to me a few days ago: a man from California who > is writing a book about the role cockpit automation systems in airline > crashes, wrote t

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1828a: assign Iammars, Levi, root

2007-12-19 Thread Josiah Worcester
On Wednesday 19 December 2007 20:43:10 Levi Stephen wrote: > I'm happy that SLIPPERY was the appropriate decision. The defandant's > assertion/admittance that the alleged act occured was not available at > the time that judgement occured. Is REMAND appropriate if new evidence > is available? It

DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1828a: assign Iammars, Levi, root

2007-12-19 Thread Levi Stephen
I'm happy that SLIPPERY was the appropriate decision. The defandant's assertion/admittance that the alleged act occured was not available at the time that judgement occured. Is REMAND appropriate if new evidence is available? Levi

DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1831: recuse, assign Goddess Eris

2007-12-19 Thread comex
On Dec 19, 2007 10:35 PM, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Initiator: comex CoE: pikhq is the initiator.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1836: assign pikhq

2007-12-19 Thread comex
On Wednesday 19 December 2007, Josiah Worcester wrote: > Also, I create the following inquiry case: > Statement: WALRUS is a player. > Arguments for: It registered as such. > It is a private contract. > It qualifies as a partnership. > There is no requirement for it to be declared *as* a partnershi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1836: assign pikhq

2007-12-19 Thread Josiah Worcester
On Wednesday 19 December 2007 18:05:54 Zefram wrote: > Josiah Worcester wrote: > >I cannot judge this, since the H. CotC Zefram seems to think a different case, > >which WALRUS initiated, is not a case. > > I don't see the link between these cases. There is no doubt regarding the > identity of

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1836: assign pikhq

2007-12-19 Thread Zefram
Josiah Worcester wrote: >I cannot judge this, since the H. CotC Zefram seems to think a different case, >which WALRUS initiated, is not a case. I don't see the link between these cases. There is no doubt regarding the identity of the initiator of CFJ 1836, and "Fookiemyartug" has a clear referen

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A CFJ on Retroactivity

2007-12-19 Thread Ian Kelly
On Dec 19, 2007 5:24 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your beliefs on WALRUS are irrelevant. It is a non-first-class player, and > WALRUS is its name. Eir beliefs are not relevant, but eir context is. If you don't define WALRUS, how are we to know whether you're referring to a pr

DIS: Re: BUS: A CFJ on Retroactivity

2007-12-19 Thread Josiah Worcester
On Wednesday 19 December 2007 16:02:43 Zefram wrote: > Josiah Worcester wrote: > >WALRUS registers. > > "WALRUS" does not adequately identify any particular entity, so I believe > that this attempted registration is ineffective. > > >WALRUS calls for judgement on the following (and ask for linked

DIS: Re: BUS: Inflation, quoth the WALRUS

2007-12-19 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Dec 19, 2007, at 12:39 AM, Josiah Worcester wrote: The following proposals are submitted by WALRUS (note: 100 proposals). As the current point of contact for Human Point Two, I am tempted to have Human.2 declare war against WALRUS -- but I'd have to get an updated list of the Human.2 m

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2007-12-19 Thread Roger Hicks
On 12/19/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Roger Hicks wrote: > >I was careful to ensure my statements > >regarding Fookiemyartug were in truthful (at least I believed them to > >be). > > In the message in which you announced Fookiemyartug's existence and > registr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2007-12-19 Thread Zefram
Roger Hicks wrote: >I was careful to ensure my statements >regarding Fookiemyartug were in truthful (at least I believed them to >be). In the message in which you announced Fookiemyartug's existence and registration, you claimed that it was a partnership (you used the t

Re: DIS: Proto-thesis: Agoran-style Initial Ruleset

2007-12-19 Thread Taral
On 12/18/07, David Nicol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm stunned to see Agorans discussing playability. I'm stunned to see that name on this list. :) Lurking much? -- Eris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you." -- Unknown

DIS: Re: BUS: Execute!

2007-12-19 Thread Ian Kelly
On Dec 19, 2007 6:03 AM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/18/07, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The judgement of CFJ 1719 (http://cfj.qoid.us/1719) states that Peekee can > > allow players to act on behalf of em through a webform, but what about a > > plain old contract? > > I've gott

DIS: Re: BUS: Inflation, quoth the WALRUS

2007-12-19 Thread comex
On 12/19/07, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > mark repealing stuff I will probably vote FOR this, but submit a proposal sometime this weekend to reintroduce marks with some more useful rewards and ways to spend them.