Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Judicial Cleanup

2007-06-24 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: >>You're removing all the civil remedies. Is that intended? > >Yes, they're largely redundant with Rule 1504. R1504's penalties are of a criminal flavour. R1742 (i) and (ii) are equity-style civil remedies. Quite different. >> If so, you may as well drop the "Civil CFJ" termin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Judicial Cleanup

2007-06-24 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: Murphy wrote: > You're removing all the civil remedies. Is that intended? Yes, they're largely redundant with Rule 1504. No, they aren't. Punitive damages are in R1504, but you've deleted a cornerstone of justice, the ability of a judge to assess compensatory (e.g. non- punit

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Judicial Cleanup

2007-06-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
Murphy wrote: To clarify: Currently, rule violations are punished by Rule 1504 (and/or Rule 1742 since the Rules are treated as an agreement), while agreement violations are punished by Rule 1742. Under this proposal, rule violations would still be punished by Rule 1504, while agreement vio

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Judicial Cleanup

2007-06-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
Murphy wrote: > You're removing all the civil remedies. Is that intended? Yes, they're largely redundant with Rule 1504. No, they aren't. Punitive damages are in R1504, but you've deleted a cornerstone of justice, the ability of a judge to assess compensatory (e.g. non- punitive) damages:

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ - Voting on behalf of

2007-06-24 Thread Ed Murphy
Levi wrote: I call for judgement on the following statement, barring BobTHJ and Primo Corporation (not sure if I have to bar em or not): BobTHJ can vote on behalf of Primo Corporation This does not affect the outcomes of any past proposals: * 5010-18 would have passed even without Primo

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Tidy up promoter

2007-06-24 Thread Ed Murphy
Levi wrote: I don't see where a proposal's 'chamber' is defined. This used to be defined as whether the proposal was Ordinary or Democratic. It may have been repealed when switches were.

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal - Still supporting democracy

2007-06-24 Thread Ian Kelly
On 6/24/07, Levi Stephen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: An Ordinary proposal may be made Democratic by any player during its voting period With 3 Supporters. This would overwrite the change made by proposal 5043, assuming that proposal is adopted. I'm not sure that I like the idea of m

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Return of switches

2007-06-24 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Activity is a player switch with values Active (syn. "Off Hold") and Inactive (syn. "On Hold"), tracked by the Registrar. I see no benefit in bringing back the "Hold" synonyms. Some players want to use them. Orientation is a player switch wi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Judicial Cleanup

2007-06-24 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Amend Rule 1742 (Agreements) to read: You're removing all the civil remedies. Is that intended? If so, you may as well drop the "Civil CFJ" terminology. To clarify: Currently, rule violations are punished by Rule 1504 (and/or Rule 1742 since the Rules are

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Judicial Cleanup

2007-06-24 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: A subject SHOULD NOT be pursued through a new CFJ, but rather through Appeal. "An appealable subject". Amend Rule 1742 (Agreements) to read: You're removing all the civil remedies. Is that intended? Yes, they're largely redundant with Rule 1504.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: A Suffusion of Yellow

2007-06-24 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: I think it's clear enough, but okay, "eir VCs of each color are set to zero". That's still a bad wording. The intent is not to modify the VCs themselves, it's to arrange for em to not have any VCs. No doubt someone will argue that "setting a VC to zero" is a n

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Return of switches

2007-06-24 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: >Create a rule titled "Switches" with this text: Should have higher power. Should also define the "an X switch" (e.g., X = "player") terminology. > Activity is a player switch with values Active (syn. "Off Hold") > and Inactive (syn. "On Hold"), tracked by the Registra

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Judicial Cleanup

2007-06-24 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: > A subject SHOULD NOT be pursued through a new CFJ, but rather > through Appeal. "An appealable subject". >Amend Rule 1742 (Agreements) to read: You're removing all the civil remedies. Is that intended? If so, you may as well drop the "Civil CFJ" terminology. -zefr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: A Suffusion of Yellow

2007-06-24 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: >I think it's clear enough, but okay, "eir VCs of each color are >set to zero". That's still a bad wording. The intent is not to modify the VCs themselves, it's to arrange for em to not have any VCs. No doubt someone will argue that "setting a VC to zero" is a null action, so th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: A Suffusion of Yellow

2007-06-24 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: When a player registers, eir VCs are set to zero. You're generally retaining language that's based on a single per-player count of VCs, whereas your new scheme has four separate VC counts per player. Also, "eir VCs are set to zero" is a poor expression; be