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On Tuesday, October 08, 2019, at 7:15 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > So the only thing that needs explaining is this feeling that you are > conscious. N!  It's way more than first person experience you always focus on that. Think outside the skull. Consciousness is the glue that holds us all tog

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Just have to say from some past post,   that all quantum theories are bogus,  none have experimental proof,  and if you want quantum power you have to work it out yourself. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/gr

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Nowhere does Pitkänen define consciousness. Nowhere does he give any evidence of his claim that consciousness has anything to do with phosphate bonds. His argument is that phosphate bonds store energy in living organisms, and that living organisms have higher temperature but lower entropy than thei

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I don't see Matt's "many worlds" view as incompatible with associating consciousness with intelligence in the slightest. As for myself, I go beyond that to see free will as an inevitable attribute of the existence of consciousness. Of course, this gets into definitions wars which are ultimately f

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Few are at Pitkänen's level IMO. I find it incredibly stimulating reading his stuff... Depends on your interests.  I still don't understand why though many researchers have an almost irrational fear of associating consciousness with intelligence and reject anyone that publishes in that directio

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Yeah I ran across this guy because of his reliance on the combinatorial hierarchy. As there are a gazillion theories out there claiming to being covering theories for current physics, there is no way I'm going to bother with them unless they provide not only a great deal of simplification but also

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Here we go: http://www.tgdtheory.fi/pdfpool/intsysc.pdf -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T8eabd59f2f06cc50-Mdc2a54673db32b721b7f15b2 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

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On Tuesday, October 08, 2019, at 10:13 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > Did you understand the paper? I'm thinking using thermodynamic buzzwords to > promote Christian values and crackpot theories of consciousness stored in the > phosphate bonds of DNA. Matt are you saying that Christianity doesn't exi

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On Tue, Oct 8, 2019, 7:08 AM John Rose wrote: > Son of a gluon! > > Pitkänen thinking similar 'cept quantum model. I'm thinking algebraic > entanglement on contemporary computers: > http://vixra.org/abs/.0109 > Did you understand the paper? I'm thinking using thermodynamic buzzwords to promo

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Son of a gluon! Pitkänen thinking similar 'cept quantum model. I'm thinking algebraic entanglement on contemporary computers: http://vixra.org/abs/.0109 Proof of concept might be to calculate Pi faster on a group of computers with algebraic entanglement verses traditional signaling methodo

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The Kolmogorov complexity language dependent constant for x86, C, or English is large, on the order of 10^6 to 10^9 bits. That's why I suggested an enumeration of all possible universes. Computing power doesn't matter. Occam's Razor favors slower programs over faster because of size-speed trade-off

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A formulary to calculate all ionization levels of all elements that I compiled from Mills's book  starting with the energy balance equation.  It takes some work to do this, so it's not at all surprising that a

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On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 10:57 AM Matt Mahoney wrote: > The reviews of Randall Mills's book are not so charatable. > https://sjbyrnes.com/cf/grand-unified-theory-of-classical-physics/ > Better still, note that the American Physical Society managed the unprecedented(?)

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The reviews of Randall Mills's book are not so charatable. https://sjbyrnes.com/cf/grand-unified-theory-of-classical-physics/ I could decide for myself but I'm not going to pay $1187. https://www.amazon.com/Grand-Unified-Theory-Classical-Physics/dp/0963517147 Mills is a medical doctor, not a phys

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On Sunday, October 06, 2019, at 12:12 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > Do numbers exist? It's a philosophical question. Philosophy is arguing about > the meanings of words. What do you mean by "exist"? > That's an interesting question.  There is a max digits of Pi possibly calculable within this unive

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On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 11:29 AM James Bowery wrote: > ... > If one takes Randell Mills's "Grand Unified Theory of Classical Physics" > seriously (and I do) he has, even *without* the above ansatz, has > calculated an amazing array of physical properties >

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*** But suppose you enumerated all possible universes and ran the n'th one for n steps. Ours would be n ~ 10^120 steps, or about 400 bits. *** Perhaps so, but on a current standard computer it would take more than 400 bits to code the universe-simulator ;) So the 400 bits figure presumes the comp

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On 2019-10-06 06:05:AM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > On Sun, Oct 6, 2019, 2:59 AM Ben Goertzel > wrote or quoted Matt as writing: > It probably takes a few hundred bits to describe the laws of physics. > > Hmm, that seems very few, just taking a look at the Standard

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On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 5:07 AM Matt Mahoney wrote: > ... > Yudkowsky and Wolfram seem to think so. I don't know their exact > reasoning, but it probably takes 400 bits to describe the 40 or so free > parameters in string theory > That doesn't make sense unless those parameters each require about

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I should also mention that directed cyclic NOR networks have been studied as generators of the dimensionless scaling constants by the Alternative Natural Philosophy Association . In other words, there is reason to belie

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On Sun, Oct 6, 2019, 4:47 AM John Rose wrote: > > Pi doesn't exist, only expressions and approximations of it and you gave > an example. You must expend energy and time to generate a better > approximation, IOW add power. > Do numbers exist? It's a philosophical question. Philosophy is arguing a

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Directed Cyclic NOR (or NAND) networks suffice as natural Turing machines. On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 2:00 AM Ben Goertzel wrote: > Matt, > > > It probably takes a few hundred bits to describe the laws of physics. > > Hmm, that seems very few, just taking a look at the Standard Model and > General R

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The perceived complexity of any rendering/ reality is relative to the concious perception/ resolution of the observer... hence, your discussion is moot... unless you can provide a standard observer resolution constant? :) -- Artificial General Intelligence

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On Sun, Oct 6, 2019, 2:59 AM Ben Goertzel wrote: > Matt, > > > It probably takes a few hundred bits to describe the laws of physics. > > Hmm, that seems very few, just taking a look at the Standard Model and > General Relativity right now... > Yudkowsky and Wolfram seem to think so. I don't know

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On Saturday, October 05, 2019, at 8:01 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > The complexity of an object is the fewest number of symbols needed to > describe it in some language. It has nothing to do with computation time, > energy, or consciousness. It is only the simplicity of a theory that > determines i

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Matt, > It probably takes a few hundred bits to describe the laws of physics. Hmm, that seems very few, just taking a look at the Standard Model and General Relativity right now... What sort of machine are you assuming is interpreting these bits? If it's some sort of standard Turing machine wit

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On 10/5/19 6:00 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: It probably takes a few hundred bits to describe the laws of physics. But an even simpler model, requiring vastly more computation, is that all possible universes with all possible laws of physics exist, and we necessary observe one where it is poss

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On Sat, Oct 5, 2019, 8:00 AM John Rose wrote: > On Friday, October 04, 2019, at 12:42 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > > Evolution is arguably simple, but it required 10^48 DNA copy operations on > 10^37 bits to create human intelligence > > > Simple programs that create apparent complexity are not full

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On Friday, October 04, 2019, at 12:42 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > Evolution is arguably simple, but it required 10^48 DNA copy operations on > 10^37 bits to create human intelligence Simple programs that create apparent complexity are not full representations of that complexity since they don't co

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On Fri, Oct 4, 2019, 6:54 AM John Rose wrote: > On Wednesday, October 02, 2019, at 11:24 AM, James Bowery wrote: > > Wolfram! Well! Perhaps you should take this up with Hector Zenil > : > > > Interesting: https://arxiv.org/abs/1608.05972 > Zenil, like W

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A persona is an operable abstract representation projected to consciointelligent entities for occupation and communication... Hmmm what is an expression of the graphtropy of persona?  Hmmm...  brain engage brain engage brain engage I'm trying to think but nothin' happens!     https://www.youtu

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We scream but in a modern way - the internet. How do you punish one on there? Well if you are dealing with them then likely they are very powerful and verified, then you can leave feedback and affect their built up representation OR build it higher. In the case of anonymous chit chat, there's no

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On Wednesday, October 02, 2019, at 11:24 AM, James Bowery wrote: > Wolfram!  Well!  Perhaps you should take this up with Hector Zenil > : Interesting:   https://arxiv.org/abs/1608.05972 Yaneer Bar-Yam has produced much good reading also. ---

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On Thursday, October 03, 2019, at 2:08 PM, Stefan Reich wrote: > So venting about constantly being rejected is _yet another reason_ for being > rejected? It’s a vicious feedback loop! We should all vent more… *primal scream ensues* -- Artificial General In

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On Wednesday, October 02, 2019, at 11:24 AM, James Bowery wrote: > ANY situation can be one where the most viable _decision_ is to stop the > search for the simplest explanation and _act_ on the simplest explanation you > have found _thus far_.  This is a consequence of the incomputability of >

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On Thursday, October 03, 2019, at 2:11 PM, Steve Richfield wrote: > WriterOfMinds, > > It would be really interesting if you were to skip the usual hiring process, > and just pick and hire one of the people here on this forum. > > I suspect any mismatched with applicant "requirements" would prov

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LOL -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T8eabd59f2f06cc50-M3d7502362de5b36e246db835 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

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OMG!!! You've discovered modus ponens!!! On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 2:11 PM Steve Richfield wrote: > James, > > Formal logic: > > h = Hidden assumption > A = Assertion > > If h -> A and h-> not A, then h MUST be false > > Now, please show me peer reviewed evidence that AGI is either possible or >

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I know Upwork can look intimidating to earn money...but trust me you gotta find how to get your first good review, repeat clients, and Big jobs (easy to get a 5,000USD job I'm not lying). Just coding you are great, yet if you do Deep Learning or Audio signal processing or multiple languages you

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WriterOfMinds, It would be really interesting if you were to skip the usual hiring process, and just pick and hire one of the people here on this forum. I suspect any mismatched with applicant "requirements" would prove to be inconsequential. Steve On Thu, Oct 3, 2019, 11:33 AM WriterOfMinds wr

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WriterOfMinds wrote: That's why I have not yet mentioned the name of my employer and the fact that we need engineers badly. Every person who says that does so after tripping over ten unemployed, homeless, engineers on the way from their cars to the doors of their office. =| I'm contemplatin

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I don't believe any humans will stop the exponential trend, as soon as AGI appears stronger another one will pop up in another country. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T8eabd59f2f06cc50-M2b22e5381e

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Hidden assumptions.people raising an AGI with stupid government? I'm still gonna help build AGI anyway... Why what do you want to do about congress taking in on it? I hate Congress. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.to

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James, Formal logic: h = Hidden assumption A = Assertion If h -> A and h-> not A, then h MUST be false Now, please show me peer reviewed evidence that AGI is either possible or desirable!!! Hey, I have published other similarly important stuff in peer reviewed journals, but if it isn't someth

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WritersOfMind Thank you! - Aurélien On Thu, 3 Oct 2019, 20:33 WriterOfMinds, wrote: > Sure, especially when you vent poorly. Blaming society/other people for > all of your problems? Not a good look. Putting down "outsider" groups who > are also just trying to make a decent life for themselves?

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Sure, especially when you vent poorly. Blaming society/other people for all of your problems? Not a good look. Putting down "outsider" groups who are also just trying to make a decent life for themselves? Not a good look. This thread has given me an impression of Alan as an unpleasant, entitled

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So venting about constantly being rejected is _yet another reason_ for being rejected? On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 at 05:45, Matt Mahoney wrote: > I was going to suggest he post his resume here. Not that anyone will hire > him now after seeing this tirade, but he might get some good advice. > > On Sun,

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The job market truly sucks. It's not only in America. On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 at 09:16, Alan Grimes via AGI wrote: > I live in the DC area. > > That means just about every major employer in the area requires some > level of a Top Secret Security clearance due to government contracts. > These are on

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On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 1:55 AM Steve Richfield wrote: > > OK, so let's see if I can explain RRAA in a short posting here. > ... > Thoughts? > You seem to have ignored my question, that's my thought. You claim to have defined a "logic" ... specifically, "reverse reductio ad absurdum logic" that

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If you can't say it, then I'll have to wait for the release date. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T8eabd59f2f06cc50-M9813e3597cf265a4453f1a03 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/su

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Immortal, Oops - you missed it. All the AGI in the world can't do much of anything unless it's prospective recipients are educated about RRAA and ??? yet to be discovered. With that education, there won't be much left for an AGI to do. This making another point of mine. Most of the people here a

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Wrong link. Just Search Google for "Upwork". It is for both programmers and buyers. See post above for detail. You are far away from being out a job indeed. And, the pay is so high its cheating. Groundbreaking discoveries? Where!? I love those! Tell me them all in one place! So the one above y

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James, You appear to be a bit new here, having missed several earthshaking discoveries - as the world just yawns. OK, so let's see if I can explain RRAA in a short posting here. If two logical people reach an impasse after understanding each other's arguments, then one or both MUST base their va

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If you have a proof of how to resolve disputes, you have a proof of how to select the better of two models of the world induced from the same set of data. Have you published this earth-shaking discovery with clear implications for machine learning?  Or are you afraid if you publish, someone will

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lready flown. It is > what it is. For most it's a simple case of: "It pays the bills!" > > However, for researchers/developers in AI/AGI with a global conscience, I > can only imagine them increasingly having to face ethical crossroads. > > -------------------

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earchers/developers in AI/AGI with a global conscience, I can only imagine them increasingly having to face ethical crossroads. From: Steve Richfield Sent: Wednesday, 02 October 2019 02:35 To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] The Job market. This thread is an existence pro

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On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 6:07 AM John Rose wrote: > On Wednesday, October 02, 2019, at 1:05 AM, James Bowery wrote: > > Harvard University's Jonathan Haidt is so terrified of the truth coming > out that he's actually come out against Occam's Razor > . > >

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>https://www.upwork.com/ppc/landing/?gclid=CjwKCAjwldHsBRAoEiwAd0JybXHg8xW3OKkea83DjB7T7G4K76HpCGI6R0GALI-a8lb4LwR23aH5kxoCNOEQAvD_BwE There's many many endless thousands of programmers here from all places on Earth that each get paid on average 30USD per hour! Some 100USD an hour if you are ski

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On Wednesday, October 02, 2019, at 1:05 AM, James Bowery wrote: > Harvard University's Jonathan Haidt is so terrified of the truth coming out > that he's actually come out against Occam's Razor > . There are sityations where the simplest explanation is

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The vast majority of fear mongering about "AGI" is from the elites themselves, which is why you won't find a _single_ billionaire, nor social "scientist" in elite universities recognizing lossless compression as a fair dispute processing mode. Indeed, Harvard University's Jonathan Haidt is so terr

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This thread is an existence proof that people working on AGI have NO clue how much damage their creations would do in the hands of the power elite. If AI has made things THIS bad, then the damage that AGI would do is unimaginable - but that never even entered the conversation. Forgive them, for th

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      Thanks Stefan. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T8eabd59f2f06cc50-M5de9c211296ef1433bbab81a Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

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Not bad your paper. Pattern loops, or even: Physical temporal pattern loops. I'll remember that. Also this "object identity memory" level you have described. Interesting. AI really simply consists of *many smart procedures*, and I'm making them daily. On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 at 15:31, wrote: > I wa

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On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 7:31 AM wrote: > I wanted to code my great work and have a humble job that did not > distract me. > But all jobs are taken. > That's not how it works. I had this great idea in 1999 for testing language models using text compression. So I did lots of experiments and publis

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 I wanted to code my great work and have a humble job that did not distract me.  But all jobs are taken.   A fraction of my great work: https://www.academia.edu/37275998/A_Nice_Artificial_General_Intelligence_How_To_Make_A_Nice_Artificial_General_Intelligence  Your connection with other people,

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Actually, what is degenerate is the attempt to portray key concepts of AGI as less than vitally involved in determining whether we suffer a civil war over "race". AGI is the attempt to formalize rationality in such a way that irrationality such as "racism" is rigorously, rather than emotionally o

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I was going to suggest he post his resume here. Not that anyone will hire him now after seeing this tirade, but he might get some good advice. On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 11:30 AM WriterOfMinds wrote: > In the coming months, the world will pay quite dearly for fucking over > my life. > > THEY WILL PAY

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Column: He died Sunday on a West L.A. sidewalk. He was homeless. He is part of an epidemic: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-09-04/homeless-deaths-los-angeles-coroner-record -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://ag

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Thank you. Yes, can we please all get off these degenerate topics and back to AGI. On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 4:55 PM Aurelien RAINONE wrote: > What a racist, short-minded nonsense am I reading here. If you guys are > writing AGI, we're in the shit but as it seems: you aren't... > > At least nowada

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What a racist, short-minded nonsense am I reading here. If you guys are writing AGI, we're in the shit but as it seems: you aren't... At least nowadays immigrants do not kill everybody upon disembarking, like WASP boat-people did years ago when they came from the actual slum that was Ireland. On

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See "Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition " for why there will be a civil war in the near future that may well destroy Western Civilization (at least as we know it). Capture of network effects

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Here in Los Angeles there are people living under ever bridge.  They have signs that say 'Struggling artist, writer, or actor. Foreigners have all the  jobs'.   You go to these foreigner counters and they are never ending scum vile of drama.  They have concept of art, acting, inventing, or AI.  

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On Sunday, September 29, 2019, at 3:15 AM, Alan Grimes wrote: > THEY WILL PAY, ALL OF THEM!!! LOL. Hang in there. IMO us engineers get better with age as long as we keep learning, the more you try and fail the wiser you get. Hell I got more than 10 years on ya son and I’m still kickin’ keister! 

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They take others with them... -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T8eabd59f2f06cc50-M13a97c6dd998e419c367fb9b Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

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Some cells commit suicide. Some humans commit suicide. And so do some cities. It's Dropout and Data Cleansing. :-) -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T8eabd59f2f06cc50-M9d621ccf831a8952678e1081 Delive

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**I sorta like it. I'm in. We want change. NOW!! I got my own plan underway hehe. There will be the chosen and the justified ones. But the ASIs will decide who gets it the worst and first. Lol. Maybe. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink:

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> In the coming months, the world will pay quite dearly for fucking over > my life. > > THEY WILL PAY, ALL OF THEM!!! That sounds like mass shooter talk. I get that you're in a rough spot, but promising revenge on "the world" (which happens to be full of innocent people) is never acceptable. Cu

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keghnf...@gmail.com wrote: ??Yes Americans will pay. They are only interested in turning inward and have intense drama between them.?? American turn outward and look to go to the stars. ??Yes they will ground us when they become in power. Same car model every year nothing new anymore no more i

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For an american it is tough to get a job in Los Angeles. The job market is swamped by foreigners. American do not really form gangs. But they form non violent work gangs. Friend and family are fist then people and there long time friends. Then comes people  of there own country and they are expe

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refreshing to see something humane here, a real person, AGI is for the sake of humanity after all? for a better world? [9/29, 12:03] Arnold: https://dev.to/tristanmastrodicasa/how-i-started-earning-35-hr-at-19-1lpn [9/29, 12:04] Arnold: here's the 19yo version an energetic youngster on a mission,