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personally I'm a monist, dualism has too many problems.
Everything is consciousness,
all the things we experience (i.e. photons and fermions),
are just conscious entities communicating to each other.
So sure bacteria are conscious, atoms are consci
I’m tellin’ ya, nobody believes me!
More and more research has been conducted on microbial gut intelligence... Then
a couple years ago bacteria were scientifically shown to be doing quantum
optimization processing. Now we see all kinds electrical microbiome activity
going on in the gut:
Jim. Instead of getting hung up on the term "refute" please replace it with the
synonym "rebut". It was a rebuttal. Just ignore it. Can we stop this now please?
Our minds have better, and more important things to focus on.
Rob
From: Jim Bromer via AGI
Sent: Wedn
Mike
Sooner or later, someone will stumble upon the activating algorithms. From it
will be born an artificial version of a prior intelligence and it would exist
on a computational platform. I'm not sure how long it would take, but that is
not relevant to my thinking. It will happen when it is m
Your attempt to declare that I stated two opinions that were
"self-refuting" just because you disagreed with them is nonsense. If I
had any idea how I could help you I would try.
I never said anything about bootstrapping so that criticism is totally
irrelevant.
The second criticism sounded like it
"Can you see the consciousness at work? Can you sense and immerse in
it? Can you hear the myriad of messages clipping by? If so, you'll
realize it is pervasive, endless, and not locality driven, not
discrete. Like the waves of the ocean, the outcome of a whole universe
conspiring to tell its tale."
Agreed
Rob
From: Jim Bromer via AGI
Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2018 9:25 PM
To: AGI
Subject: Re: [agi] Growing Knowledge
The meta discussion is tedious.
Jim Bromer
On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 3:13 PM Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via
AGI wrote:
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> Jim
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> No
The meta discussion is tedious.
Jim Bromer
On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 3:13 PM Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via
AGI wrote:
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> Jim
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> Now, in my view, you made 2 assertions that were self refuting. I strongly
> disagree bootstrapping and/or relationship-based approaches would enable AGI
> now,
Jim
Now, in my view, you made 2 assertions that were self refuting. I strongly
disagree bootstrapping and/or relationship-based approaches would enable AGI
now, and into the future. And by focussing on those 2 main items, I'm not
saying everything else you said should not be taken seriously. Fo
How could I possibly know what you missed (without extensive and
tedious meta-conversation about the exchange that we just had)? You
made some exaggerated statement and from that I was able to conclude
that you probably missed some subtleties in my quick comments.
You cannot 'refute' an open ended
Jim
Not refuting your thinking, but rather the premise you proposed. At least I
stated my argument why the notion (if you are ok with that term) is refutable.
I forgot how sensitive you can be.
So, instead of feeling slighted, why not expound on the subtleties I may have
missed?
Rob
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In general, you can't actually "refute" my thinking. If I made some
hypothesis which could be tested in an experiment you might refute the
hypothesis, but even that could be questioned. I would have to agree
that the experiment was a good test of my hypothesis or there would
have to be a consensus
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> From: Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via AGI
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> Challenging a la Haramein? No doubt. But that is what the adventure is all
> about. Have we managed to wrap our minds fully round the implications of
> Mandelbrot's contribution? And then, there is so much else of s
Seems I've stumbled onto a beehive. France has set its sights to be the leader
in the AI arms race, together with deep mind. I'll go look on some old hard
drives for the links. Interesting times!
From: Stefan Reich via AGI
Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2018 4:21
That sounds interesting, please look it up if you can.
On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 at 15:26, Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via AGI <
agi@agi.topicbox.com> wrote:
> Jim
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> Bootstrapping a computational platform with domain knowledge (seeding with
> insights), was already done a few years ago by the e
Jim
Bootstrapping a computational platform with domain knowledge (seeding with
insights), was already done a few years ago by the ex head of AI research in
France. I need to find his blogs again, but apparently he had amazing results
with regards re-solving classical mathematical problems.
Our
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> From: Matt Mahoney via AGI
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> I don't believe that my thermostat is conscious. Or let me taboo words like
> "believe" and 'conscious". I assign a low probability to the possibility that
> my
> thermostat has a homunculus or an immortal soul or a little person insi
The idea that an AGI program has to be able to 'grow' knowledge is not
conceptually radical but the use of the idea that a program might be
seeded with certain kinds of insights does make me think about the
problem in a slightly different way. By developing a program to work
along principles that a
Matt, my intent is not to interfere in your debate, but we are all reading it.
As such, I'd like to comment:
I don' t think we should be spending our time engaging in elementary arguments.
For example, I think the notion probably invalid that a thermometer (as we know
it today) may be conscious
Consciousness seems so elusive because it is not an
‘intended’ product of the connectome directly recognising sensory patterns,
consciousness is an extra layer. The interacting synaptic networks produce
harmonics because each is using a specific frequency to communicate with its
logical/ connected
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