[AFMUG] CBRS Transition Woes

2020-03-06 Thread dave
How is everyone doing with their migration to CBRS before April 17? I still have 30 more aps to move over with only 10 migrated. Like chickens with our heads cut off here. Then I get some moron who throws up a device in front of one my sectors and wreaks havoc for a few days setting us back for m

Re: [AFMUG] CBRS Transition Woes

2020-03-06 Thread Roland Houin
We finished all of our migration last Friday. Approximately 60 cambium 450 ap’s Some issues during transition. Cambium was great help. So far working well. Roland Fourway.net From: AF On Behalf Of dave Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 8:44 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject

Re: [AFMUG] CBRS Transition Woes

2020-03-06 Thread David Coudron
We have migrated all but one AP as well. All Cambium 450s. Cambium is great help when you get to the right folks. The normal technical support line can’t get off the call fast enough if you mention C, B, R, S in one sentence, even if the letters aren’t next to each other. As in “you sai

Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

2020-03-06 Thread Caleb Knauer
"Also my Canon image stabilization binoculars." -- I didn't even know that was a thing. That sounds amazing. My issue is looking up at tower top stuff and it's so hard to get a good view due to the wobbles. I may have to get a pair. On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 9:41 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I have a

Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

2020-03-06 Thread Ken Hohhof
I have the 12x36 IS III and I think that is probably the sweet spot in the lineup. At 8x you don’t really need IS. I think they make a 15x but that’s overkill for our purposes (maybe for a birdwatcher) and the price gets crazy. If you get one, make sure it takes AA batteries and not some weir

Re: [AFMUG] CBRS Transition Woes

2020-03-06 Thread Mark Radabaugh
I think we are at about 13% complete out of about 1700 clients. So far going ok - but we have another year yet on our license. Cambium doesn’t have a lot of support people familiar with the process yet but it’s coming along. Just keep trying. The good news is they seem to be much farther

Re: [AFMUG] CBRS Transition Woes

2020-03-06 Thread dave
Awesome, Did any of you move to wider channel size as well for the increased capacity? We  had to on most of ours due to density. I am really concerned about incumbents lighting up their stuff then we fight over a couple pals to stay alive. How did most of you do your channel mapping for the s

Re: [AFMUG] CBRS Transition Woes

2020-03-06 Thread Mark Radabaugh
We moved a number of them to 30Mhz from 20Mhz. I’m actually not a big fan of doing that since I think it’s going to be hard to sustain the 30Mhz channel sizes going forward and I know we will just end up loading the 30Mhz AP’s up to the point where we just make people mad if we have to go back

Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

2020-03-06 Thread Caleb Knauer
Sweet, thanks. I recently bought 12x50 Vortex pair of binoculars that where what I considered expensive, but I'll never not buy good binoculars again. The image quality is amazing. But for the next pair I'll check out something like this. On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 10:28 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I

Re: [AFMUG] CBRS Transition Woes

2020-03-06 Thread dave
That is my thought as well but we may just add some more APs LOL or another tower.. I am moving from a 15mhz wide net to 20 and 30 So anxious to see what 30 is going to do for us on the larger more congested Medusas On 3/6/20 9:51 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: We moved a number of them to 30Mhz f

Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

2020-03-06 Thread Caleb Knauer
Sounds like it's a big polarization cross, where's it's getting something through but all out of alignment. But if it's a circular adapter then I don't see how that's possible. Can you humor me and take a pic of the other side of that adapter plate? On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 10:37 AM Mark Radabaugh

Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

2020-03-06 Thread Mark Radabaugh
It’s currently 2 single pol Horizons on a Dragonwave OMT mount that combines the H&V to the round waveguide on the back of the antenna. Mark Radabaugh Amplex 22690 Pemberville Rd Luckey, OH 43443 419-261-5996 > On Mar 6, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > >  > We put 11 GHz 820C w/XPIC on

Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

2020-03-06 Thread Ken Hohhof
OK, that says the antenna should be dual pol capable. So … is a puzzlement. You’d expect a problem would cost a few dB, not 40 dB. Unless H & V were swapped. Sounds like Cambium is looking into it, maybe they come up with some ideas. From: AF On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh Sent: Friday,

Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

2020-03-06 Thread chuck
V&H being swapped will always cost you at least 20 dB and if you have them precisely aligned V&H I can see where 40 dB is reasonable. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 10:18 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question OK, that says

Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

2020-03-06 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Odd thing is I don’t see any way to assemble this any way that would swap polarity. Only way to screw it up would be internal to the OMT itself. We are doing XPIC with this link which we have not done in a lot of other places, so that is different. Mark > On Mar 6, 2020, at 12:22 PM, ch...@

[AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-03-06 Thread chuck
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Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

2020-03-06 Thread chuck
If you rotate the whole thing 90 degrees with respect to the antenna waveguide you could get the radios on the wrong polarizations. Or you are peaked on a side lobe. Have you tried to swap radios on one end? From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 10:29 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Use

Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

2020-03-06 Thread Caleb Knauer
With XPIC it wouldn't matter that slot 1 was talking to slot 2 on the other side, it wouldn't know. At least I think anyways. Since it's just looking for RX on the frequency it's set, and it's on the same on both ends, and it'd still have XPD to separate the two. You could rotate one end 90 degr

Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

2020-03-06 Thread chuck
Yeah, I was not thinking of a system with the same freq on both. Odd. Perhaps a rectangular waveguid somewhere in the system or the wrong freq waveguide somewhere. The photos show what I would guess is 11 GHz. That is about .750" dia plus or minus for most system. I think dragonwave used .777

Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

2020-03-06 Thread Ken Hohhof
You look at Mark's photo and think what could possibly be wrong, it's a round hole. How many ways are there to install a round hole, it's like the proverbial one car funeral procession. And I guess with an 820C + OMT, having H and V swapped shouldn't be possible, and even if they were, it woul

Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

2020-03-06 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Correct on size. The adapter is stepped in three places to adjust the input and output diameters. As far as I recall as long as the diameter is larger than the cutoff wavelength, larger doesn’t matter. I think the next thing we are going to try is pulling the mounting plate off the Andrew/Dra

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-03-06 Thread Ken Hohhof
I was paying bills for the business yesterday and must have licked two dozen envelopes. Afterward, I thought, should I not be doing that? If so, I wonder if tape or a glue stick or a wet sponge is the way to go. And then wash your hands after opening all those bills from who knows where. -

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-03-06 Thread Steve Jones
i lick all my bills to establish dominance On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 12:25 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I was paying bills for the business yesterday and must have licked two > dozen > envelopes. > > Afterward, I thought, should I not be doing that? If so, I wonder if tape > or a glue stick or a wet spo

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-03-06 Thread Bill Prince
When we used to do mailings, we would use the self-adhesive envelopes. No licking; just sticking. bp On 3/6/2020 10:24 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I was paying bills for the business yesterday and must have licked two dozen envelopes. Afterward, I thought, should I not be doing that? If so, I wo

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-03-06 Thread Matt Hoppes
You still send checks? I use my bank's online bill pay. Haven't licked an envelope in years. On 3/6/20 1:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I was paying bills for the business yesterday and must have licked two dozen envelopes. Afterward, I thought, should I not be doing that? If so, I wonder if tape

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-03-06 Thread Robert Andrews
As long as it's not opened in a week.. So lick and hold? On 03/06/2020 10:24 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I was paying bills for the business yesterday and must have licked two dozen envelopes. Afterward, I thought, should I not be doing that? If so, I wonder if tape or a glue stick or a wet sponge

Re: [AFMUG] CBRS Transition Woes

2020-03-06 Thread Steve Jones
we are moving 7mhz to 20, so we are good, but when we turn up cbrs im taking it to 10 to see where the wall of worst case is we lucked out and were able to get the vast majority to epmp we have 20ish 450s to hang and under 50 customers to cut to them some epmp will migrate over when foliage hits w

Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions

2020-03-06 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies
Title: Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions Just want to thank everyone on the LetsEncrypt deal. Was surprisingly easy to get working on windows/Apache.  I'll have to wait till April to see if it automatically renews. -- Best regards, Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.c

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-03-06 Thread Ken Hohhof
True, we have "peel & seal" check envelopes with windows. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 12:28 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus When we used to do mailings, we would use the self-adhesive envelopes. No licking; just s

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-03-06 Thread Ken Hohhof
You probably have Shakira’s Super Bowl performance on a loop. From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 12:26 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus i lick all my bills to establish dominance On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 12:25 PM Ken Hohhof

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-03-06 Thread Mark Radabaugh
It sounded like a good idea at first but after a while he couldn’t see the screen anymore. Mark > On Mar 6, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > You probably have Shakira’s Super Bowl performance on a loop. > > From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf > Of Steve Jones > Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

2020-03-06 Thread Caleb Knauer
If that center part is press fit in slightly catawampus and not 100% plumb then it could cause issues. Or the pipe isn't 100% either. But kind of grasping at straws with that. On the C's I've bench tested with XPIC without antennas, it'll talk to either one IIRC if you run 2/1 or 1/2 as I've pla

Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

2020-03-06 Thread Steve Jones
whats the OMT look like? That V/H pin puts the plate at 45? On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 12:48 PM Caleb Knauer wrote: > If that center part is press fit in slightly catawampus and not 100% > plumb then it could cause issues. Or the pipe isn't 100% either. But > kind of grasping at straws with that.

Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

2020-03-06 Thread Caleb Knauer
Lots more info and instructions in this post: https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Licensed-Microwave/Re-Use-Existing-Antennas-for-PTP820/td-p/84401 On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 1:56 PM Steve Jones wrote: > > whats the OMT look like? That V/H pin puts the plate at 45? > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 12:

Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

2020-03-06 Thread Ken Hohhof
I guess from the approach of not being afraid to ask stupid questions, is it possible you are the first customer to ever use the Dragonwave adapter? Is it possible Cambium (or Ceragon if they are the source for the adapter) designed and made it but has never actually tested it? And there’s som

Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

2020-03-06 Thread Steve Jones
come on ken, cambium would never sell anything that wasnt field tested On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 1:13 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I guess from the approach of not being afraid to ask stupid questions, is > it possible you are the first customer to ever use the Dragonwave adapter? > Is it possible Cambiu

Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

2020-03-06 Thread Mark Radabaugh
I think at this point we are just going to go back out and try it without the Dragonwave adapter by swapping the mounting plate on the back of the antennas to the Cambium plates. We have a set of mounting plates on hand. Mark > On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:46 PM, Caleb Knauer wrote: > > He swapped

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-03-06 Thread Bill Prince
Gargle with bleach before and after each lick. bp On 3/6/2020 10:28 AM, Robert Andrews wrote: As long as it's not opened in a week..   So lick and hold? On 03/06/2020 10:24 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I was paying bills for the business yesterday and must have licked two dozen envelopes. Afterw

Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

2020-03-06 Thread Caleb Knauer
But back seat driving is so much fun. On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 2:50 PM Mark Radabaugh wrote: > > I think at this point we are just going to go back out and try it without the > Dragonwave adapter by swapping the mounting plate on the back of the antennas > to the Cambium plates. We have a set o

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-03-06 Thread Ken Hohhof
There's nothing you can't Google: https://www.businessinsider.my/washington-state-asks-voters-no-licking-mail-in-ballots-coronavirus-2020-3 And they have a slogan: "Whether healthy or sick, please don't lick." -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Friday, March 6,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-03-06 Thread Bill Prince
If you lick, we must convict. bp On 3/6/2020 12:23 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: There's nothing you can't Google: https://www.businessinsider.my/washington-state-asks-voters-no-licking-mail-in-ballots-coronavirus-2020-3 And they have a slogan: "Whether healthy or sick, please don't lick." -O

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-03-06 Thread Carl Peterson
Wait, so ~25% of the known cases in Washington have died? I know it hit a nursing home but thats pretty rough. "Of the 150 people who have tested positive for COVID-19 in the United States, 39 are in Washington, making it the worst hit state. Ten residents have died as of Wednesday." On Fri, Mar

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-03-06 Thread Robert Andrews
If you can find any On 03/06/2020 11:53 AM, Bill Prince wrote: Gargle with bleach before and after each lick. bp On 3/6/2020 10:28 AM, Robert Andrews wrote: As long as it's not opened in a week.. So lick and hold? On 03/06/2020 10:24 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I was paying bills for the b

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-03-06 Thread Steve Jones
its expected, if youre in a nursing home and get flu, youre normally done ~25% morbidity in a nursing home is actually a pretty damn amazing number. Theyre going to have to delay the Census. at this point with the media hype, nobody is going to answer their doors for the followups. my dad did that

Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

2020-03-06 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Same, but only just long long ago. The course was Microwave and Antenna theory. Prof was a younger Pakistani who didn’t believe in deodorant and spoke so softly your choice was watering eyes in the front or not hearing a thing in the back. Midterm was a 200 point exam. I think I scored a

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-03-06 Thread James Howard
Might want to switch to peeing on them to avoid spreading anything. According to the news stories droplets of saliva and rubbing your eyes are the ways it gets spread. Urine might give you even more dominance than spit anyway. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones