Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

Most serious HFT moved to shortwave type links a while back, the microwave path between the CME and New Jersey is obsolete... Think big ass yagi-uda antennas, dipoles, much lower frequencies, very low data rates. On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 4:02 PM Bill Prince wrote: > This is the best explanatio

Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

Are you sure about that? Because as of earlier this year the links are still being put in in Pennsylvania. On 6/18/19 4:16 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: Most serious HFT moved to shortwave type links a while back, the microwave path between the CME and New Jersey is obsolete...  Think big ass yagi-u

Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

Any idea how much transport or transit will cost using these birds? On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 Matt Hoppes wrote: Are you sure about that?  Because as of earlier this year the links are still being put in in Pennsylvania. On 6/18/19 4:16 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > Most serious HFT moved to shortwa

[AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber?

Can I run GPON on the same fiber with a WDM MUX?  It looks like the GPON wavelengths are above and below the DWDM channels, so I'm imagining it would work, but I don't know jack about jack. -Adam -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

CME finally has their own tower operational with about a dozen dishes on it. No big-ass yagis. You'd think there would be a disadvantage not being on the tower right next to the datacenter, that might trump any speed-of-light advantage. Also I assume those low frequency links are bouncing off

Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber?

Yes. But the mux selection will have to be carefully thought through. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 8:35 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber? Can I run GPON on the same fiber with a WDM MUX? It

Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

Hmmm, troposcatter would work for this. Not sure you could actually license a link. -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 9:05 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fadin

Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber?

So it's a feature on some MUX's?  Do you know a brand I should look at for this? I suppose they must also have an OADM that pulls out just the GPON wavelengths. On 6/18/2019 11:20 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Yes. But the mux selection will have to be carefully thought through. -Original Mess

Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber?

I have seen this application on slides at Calex shows. It may take more than one mux and it might even take some kind of directional coupler, but they do show how you can mix PON and non PON traffic. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 9:50 AM To: af@af

Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

I'm not up to speed on the flavors of the 5GHz 450 line. What are the advantages of the 450, 450i and 450m on the same tower? Sean Heskett wrote: Here's the equipment box we just rebuilt for one of our larger tower sites. A special shout out and big thanks to both McCowen Tech for the ground

Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber?

I am new to this stuff as well, I am thinking you are looking for something like this: https://www.fs.com/products/73961.html On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 11:57 AM Chuck McCown wrote: > I have seen this application on slides at Calex shows. It may take more > than one mux and it might even take some

Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

Nice looking rack! Just be careful with that Planet Switch, you have the recommended 1U free spacing above and below it, but make sure it has enough airflow. Certain other 48 port models I had from them failed miserably when stacked directly on one another. From: AF On Behalf Of Josh Baird Sen

Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber?

NM. you said DWDM. Try this one? https://www.fs.com/products/70411.html On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:17 PM Louis Arsenault wrote: > I am new to this stuff as well, I am thinking you are looking for > something like this: > https://www.fs.com/products/73961.html > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 11:57 AM

Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber?

Yes, we have it working. Mark > On Jun 18, 2019, at 10:35 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > Can I run GPON on the same fiber with a WDM MUX? It looks like the GPON > wavelengths are above and below the DWDM channels, so I'm imagining it would > work, but I don't know jack about jack. > > -Adam >

Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber?

You need single fiber DWDM. Adam, could you diagram out what your trying to do? On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 1:22 PM Louis Arsenault wrote: > NM. you said DWDM. Try this one? > > https://www.fs.com/products/70411.html > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:17 PM Louis Arsenault wrote: > >> I am new to this

[AFMUG] 250 symmetric

What kind of AP radio can deliver 250 mbps symmetric to residential SMs? We hear of a nearby company offering this service. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber?

Could you make us a simple line drawing showing how it works please? -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 12:29 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber? Yes, we have it working. Mark On Jun 18, 2019,

Re: [AFMUG] 250 symmetric

60GHz PtMP radios. On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:26 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > What kind of AP radio can deliver 250 mbps symmetric to residential SMs? > We hear of a nearby company offering this service. > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >

Re: [AFMUG] 250 symmetric

cambium HCMP On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 1:01 PM can...@believewireless.net < p...@believewireless.net> wrote: > 60GHz PtMP radios. > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:26 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > >> What kind of AP radio can deliver 250 mbps symmetric to residential SMs? >> We hear of a nearby company off

Re: [AFMUG] 250 symmetric

Cambium HCMP can't give that much; since the split is fixed the rate goes down very fast with the number of subs. Some 802.11AC TDMA radios in non-fixed-frame / non-synced mode could give those speeds, but not really upload and download at the same time. On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:11 PM TJ Trout

Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber?

Hum.. I see we have documentation of where we drop it off the fiber: But no pretty picture of how we put it on the fiber. It’s similar - I’ll have it drawn up tomorrow.It’s all Fiberstore passive gear. Mark > On Jun 18, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Could you make us a si

[AFMUG] RIP Tower History

They're tearing down a 4 legged, what I think was about a 400' FAA tower by my house. https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8188909,-88.2242849,219m/data=!3m1!1e3 Had 6 big horns on the top, and a handful of 10' dishes. Also some spiderweb looking antennas sticking out the top. I'm pretty sure it w

Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

thanks Sterling yeah we've had pretty good luck with the planet switches, we for sure keep an eye on temps. luckily we don't get as hot up here in the mountains as y'all do down in the desert ;-) On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 12:20 PM Sterling Jacobson wrote: > Nice looking rack! > > > > Just be ca

Re: [AFMUG] RIP Tower History

I didn't realize mine was being torn down until it was already gone. Yours was older than mine. It is sad that they're going away. I don't know why they don't just sell them. I would have picked up both of them. :-) Yours had an FAA sign at the base. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Comp

Re: [AFMUG] 250 symmetric

siklu Multihaul https://www.siklu.com/product/multihaul-series/ ignitenet metrolinq https://www.ignitenet.com/wireless-backhaul/ On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 1:26 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > What kind of AP radio can deliver 250 mbps symmetric to residential SMs? > We hear of a nearby company offering

Re: [AFMUG] RIP Tower History

They had to build a special pad just for the demolition crane to sit on. It hasn't had any tower lights since last year, so I guess I should have figured it was going away. On 6/18/2019 4:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I didn't realize mine was being torn down until it was already gone. Yours w

[AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

I'm trying to put a "box" system together for our house POP sites and need help with the DIN stuff and UPS. Can you guys give me an idea or example of the following? I want to take standard AC 15A in from a breaker outside the box. And using maybe one or two 12v 105AH AGM batteries, supply 50v 6

Re: [AFMUG] 250 symmetric

Oh, yeah. Good for 300’ if it is not raining, right? From: can...@believewireless.net Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 2:00 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 250 symmetric 60GHz PtMP radios. On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:26 PM Chuck McCown wrote: What kind of AP radio

Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber?

Thanks From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 2:27 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber? Hum.. I see we have documentation of where we drop it off the fiber: But no pretty picture of how we put it on the fiber. It’s similar -

Re: [AFMUG] 250 symmetric

Supposedly 700m...Not very useful in my environment but could be good in dense urban. On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:05 PM wrote: > Oh, yeah. Good for 300’ if it is not raining, right? > > *From:* can...@believewireless.net > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 2:00 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users

Re: [AFMUG] 250 symmetric

I’m doing it with Mikrotik 60GHz radios. They work great even in storms up to 200 meters distance on stock antennas. We use the dish versions for up to about 500 meters, regular AP. The signal degrades a bit depending on how bad the rain gets, but I don’t see them go offline. They do upwards of

Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

12-54v is inefficient, if you want 200ah of battery use 4x50ah batteries for a 48v string ICT24048-7BC2 360W 54v AC-DC + LVD + Charger ICT-TMP - Temp sensor for charge compensation if batt's outside ICT-WMB - Wall mount bracket SITE Monitor - Voltage monitoring Or Alternativly; 48v din mount PS

Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

Ok, cool. So can the 7bc2 be adjusted slightly to output 50v instead of just 48v? There will be some loss going 100’ or so, right? From: AF On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:23 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion 12-54v

Re: [AFMUG] 250 symmetric

With a range of Probably 500 yards? On 06/18/2019 01:00 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote: 60GHz PtMP radios. On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:26 PM Chuck McCown > wrote: What kind of AP radio can deliver 250 mbps symmetric to residential SMs? We hear of

Re: [AFMUG] RIP Tower History

Who owned these two sites prior to demolition? Keefe On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:48 PM Nate Burke wrote: > They had to build a special pad just for the demolition crane to sit on. > It hasn't had any tower lights since last year, so I guess I should have > figured it was going away. > > On 6/18/

Re: [AFMUG] RIP Tower History

The FAA. Well, the one by me was a land-lease. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Keefe John" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:47:03 PM Subjec

Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

contact talley or tessco for a price, don't trust what you see on google, it's like 50% less On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:25 PM TJ Trout wrote: > all 48v systems for battery power will float at 54v, it's also adjustable > via the battery chemistry > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:33 PM Sterling Jacobs

Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

all 48v systems for battery power will float at 54v, it's also adjustable via the battery chemistry On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:33 PM Sterling Jacobson wrote: > Ok, cool. > > > > So can the 7bc2 be adjusted slightly to output 50v instead of just 48v? > > > > There will be some loss going 100’ or

Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

Apparently the UBNT EP-S16 freaks out if it goes above 54v. Is there any way to assure it doesn’t float/charge above 54v, or maybe even just 50v? From: AF On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:26 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conver

Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber?

Trying to understand my options is all. We're getting an IRU for 2 fibers.  I'll need several ethernet paths along that dark fiber so I'm looking at WDM.  There's a spot in the middle where I could break out and serve about 50 households.   I *could* build an active POP site there, but that's

Re: [AFMUG] 250 symmetric

If you have 802.11ac with 160mhz channel size and you're willing to hand-wave all the caveats then you could make that claim. It's either that or millimeter wave.  So yeah either very short range, or they're dumb, or they're liars, or they're dumb liars. -Adam On 6/18/2019 6:51 PM, Robert An

Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

You need to use a DC-DC converter for sensitive equipment like that. Meanwell has a good selection. On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:12 PM Sterling Jacobson wrote: > Apparently the UBNT EP-S16 freaks out if it goes above 54v. > > Is there any way to assure it doesn’t float/charge above 54v, or maybe >

Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

That's weird to me.  Any telecom equipment made for 48v I would have assumed they intended it to be used with a rectifier, and consequently I would assume it'd be ok up to at least 56v continuous; and maybe more like 60-70v for a short duration.  But yeah, DC-DC converter is the fix. On 6/18/

Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

Having a hard time figuring out the exact part/price for something like this. Which Meanwell part would take 48v and make it 50v or 54v 5A? From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:21 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion That's weird

Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber?

Since you have two fibers, put your PON on one fiber and your DWDM on the other. Simpler and gives you separation between your consumer traffic and Ethernet services. Jared     Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019. From: "Adam Moffett" To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same