[AFMUG] mail servers

2023-03-08 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
We are having trouble with mailcow. Anything better out there. It hangs all the time these days. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units

2023-03-08 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
I was developing some beacons based on the flushable sewer sondes. My plan was to make them to be able to shot through a duct with air and if they did not come out, you could find them. One of many projects around here half done... From: Carl Peterson Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 2:24 PM

Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units

2023-03-08 Thread Carl Peterson
Circling back to this The D18 33kHz sonde worked great with the vSCAN. Even down to 15' which was the deepest duct we needed to trace. What surprised me was the 512 sewer sondes. They worked amazingly well. Not quite as accurate as the 33kHz sonde but no issue at all tracking them. They are a

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

2023-03-08 Thread fiberrun
The way I see it, a one time cost of $50 per subscriber isn't that much in the grand scheme of things.   Having one IPv4 per subscriber means no middle boxes and things just work. There's value in that.   I'll happily offer IPv6 to customers if (i) they are willing to pay for it or (ii) the wor

[AFMUG] OT: Forget about 10Gb, 100Gb. Let's do 1.6 Tb

2023-03-08 Thread Bill Prince
Yeah baby. Now we're talking real speed. https://www.nextplatform.com/2023/03/07/setting-the-stage-for-1-6t-ethernet-and-driving-800g-now/ -- bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Shadenfreude

2023-03-08 Thread Steve Jones
See, I look at it the opposite. Physics may limit any new tech, but really we havent seen any wireless advances, just wider bandwidth, higher modulation, more subcarriers. To me, a true advancement is an improvement without major cost. Everyone of those improvements tends to come at an SNR cost at

Re: [AFMUG] Shadenfreude

2023-03-08 Thread dmmoffett
Absolutely. To get that high performance though we're putting more processing power up onto the tower. Which means more wattage needed than PoE can do, so now you need fiber and power cables up the tower. You still might need the cat5 for timing or management or what-not depending on the platfor

Re: [AFMUG] Shadenfreude

2023-03-08 Thread Jason McKemie
The biggest issue with wireless IMO is the continuously rising noise floor, more so than the capacity (for now at least). At some point it is going to be unusable for links of any decent range - everything will need to be microcell. Fiber does not have this problem. On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 10:52 

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

2023-03-08 Thread Trey Scarborough
No I was using airfiber, and SAEI. I would be cautious of planning on having availability of Tibit moving forward. It's likely Ciena will lock it to using there hardware in the future. On 3/6/2023 2:37 PM, Carl Peterson wrote: Thanks Trey!  Were you also testing Siklu -> Tibit? On Mon, Mar

Re: [AFMUG] Shadenfreude

2023-03-08 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
I am impressed at the advancements with wireless over the years. I would have never expected to be able to deliver PMP 100 Mbps with any quality at all. And we all know that 100 mbps will do almost everything anyone would ever need, still we have fiber customers wanting 1. 2.5 and 10 gig...

Re: [AFMUG] Shadenfreude

2023-03-08 Thread dmmoffett
Almost sounds like you're not serious. Fiber really is the future. How much wireless bandwidth is there to work with? If we kicked out all incumbent microwave users and made it all available for WISPs there'd be what, 50 GHz? More realistically 5-10GHz that you could really use for the last

Re: [AFMUG] Shadenfreude

2023-03-08 Thread Steve Jones
I cringe when i have these people approach me. So very certain of the easy money. not aware of the market saturation. Very much not aware of the time commitment. After all, WiFi just works. On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 8:16 AM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > I'm amazed how man

Re: [AFMUG] Shadenfreude

2023-03-08 Thread dmmoffett
That’s pretty amazing. From: AF On Behalf Of Jan-GAMs Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2023 4:29 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shadenfreude Our fiber competitor is using fiber to connect to a DSL connection. Those customers who left our wisp for them came back within a few days.

Re: [AFMUG] Shadenfreude

2023-03-08 Thread Matt Hoppes
I'm amazed how many folks I've seen over the years think running a WISP was so easy a caveman could do it and I had to sit them down and talk them out of it for their good and my good. On 3/7/23 6:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Well everybuddy knows that  you can't compete with fiber, right?!

Re: [AFMUG] Shadenfreude

2023-03-08 Thread Matt Hoppes
But... But... fiber is the future. On 3/7/23 4:29 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote: Our fiber competitor is using fiber to connect to a DSL connection. Those customers who left our wisp for them came back within a few days. On 3/6/23 12:55, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Had our first fiber customer disco

Re: [AFMUG] Shadenfreude

2023-03-08 Thread Matt Hoppes
I mean this is true... "new wisp" doesn't mean a quality new WISP. On 3/7/23 4:06 PM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: Well he did say "new wisp" Maybe they put a DD-WRT router in Tupperware on the roof with a Pringles can yagi. Or they think it's smart to run wifi with a WDS mesh. Every customer is