Absolutely. To get that high performance though we're putting more processing power up onto the tower. Which means more wattage needed than PoE can do, so now you need fiber and power cables up the tower. You still might need the cat5 for timing or management or what-not depending on the platform. So now we're looking at bigger conduit to carry 3x as many cables up. Bigger power supply and battery backup at the bottom. New router/switch to carry the higher capacity. Upgrading from Canopy to the 430, 320, or 450 was basically just swapping one thing on the tower. Cambium450 to 450m or similar is more or less a complete do-over. We were talking about minimum $50,000 per tower. Our corporate overlords said they'd rather put that money into fiber. I saw no reason to argue the point.
But yeah, in the right market, someplace where fiber is still a long way off you could do a 100% respectable job with wireless. -----Original Message----- From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2023 11:52 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> Cc: Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shadenfreude I am impressed at the advancements with wireless over the years. I would have never expected to be able to deliver PMP 100 Mbps with any quality at all. And we all know that 100 mbps will do almost everything anyone would ever need, still we have fiber customers wanting 1. 2.5 and 10 gig... And to think that we used to be so happy to advertise 10 Mbps on Canopy. That burst mode was the bomb until Netflix arrived. -----Original Message----- From: dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 7:37 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shadenfreude Almost sounds like you're not serious. Fiber really is the future. How much wireless bandwidth is there to work with? If we kicked out all incumbent microwave users and made it all available for WISPs there'd be what, 50 GHz? More realistically 5-10GHz that you could really use for the last mile....assuming they'd allocate all of it for a WISP. Within the reality of the regulatory framework we've got more like 1-2GHz available. Bandwidth of a single mode fiber is ~50 Thz. Even the most optimistic estimate for wireless doesn't compare. 100Gbps ethernet on fiber uses only a tiny fraction of the possible bandwidth and very primitive modulation. It's not because you couldn't do 1024QAM with a laser, it's just that right now we don't need to. Theoretically pushing Shannon-Hartley to the limits you could run 1.2 petabits per second on a single mode fiber. That's a million gigabits. Clearly there are badly implemented networks, but that just means a dumb person did it. If you're not branching out into fiber you'll eventually be left behind. IMO, the only debatable part is how many years that'll take. -Adam -----Original Message----- From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2023 8:57 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>; Jan-GAMs <j.vank...@grnacres.net> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shadenfreude But... But... fiber is the future..... On 3/7/23 4:29 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote: > Our fiber competitor is using fiber to connect to a DSL connection. > Those customers who left our wisp for them came back within a few days. > > On 3/6/23 12:55, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >> Had our first fiber customer disconnect to go to a new WISP in the area. >> They said the new service was half the price of ours and they got a >> price lock for three years. >> Yeah, OK, but we will have your service on standby any time you want >> to reactivate it. >> The disconnect was Friday. The reconnect was this morning... >> I know that is not music to the ears of WISP only companies, but I >> gotta tell you, you never get service calls with fiber. >> Best Regards, >> Chuck McCown >> >> McCown Technology Corporation >> 8401 N Commerce Dr >> Lake Point, Utah 84074 >> 801-250-9503 Office >> 435-830-4306 Cell >> www.mccowntech.com >> www.microtrench.pro >> www.terabitnetworks.com >> > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
