Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

2022-06-06 Thread Steve Jones
Facts On Mon, Jun 6, 2022, 8:19 PM Bill Prince wrote: > You can get the troll out from under a bridge, but you can't get the troll > to not be a troll. > > -- > bp > part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com > > > On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 2:34 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> Probably just as well. David S

Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

2022-06-06 Thread Bill Prince
You can get the troll out from under a bridge, but you can't get the troll to not be a troll. -- bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 2:34 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Probably just as well. David Sovreen just unsubscribed... > I need to quit inciting riots. > > *From:* Rob

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2022-06-06 Thread Tushar Patel
Spot on Darin! Look outside US. There are countries that have done something about their gun culture when things went out of control, Australia, UK and Canada. At what point we have to say my right to AK-47 has no meaning if our kids has to go through weekly active shooters training or the cl

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2022-06-06 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
I came close a couple weeks ago. Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > On Jun 6, 2022, at 5:47 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: > > Why unsubscribe? > > Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >> Probably just as well. David Sovreen just unsubscribed... >> I ne

Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

2022-06-06 Thread Mike Hammett
" I need to quit inciting riots. " *nods* I engage in a lot of this discourse other places, but AFMUG members seem to be less tolerant of that conversation and thus, people leave. Perma-lent probably seems like a good idea. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest I

Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

2022-06-06 Thread Jay Weekley
Why unsubscribe? Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Probably just as well. David Sovreen just unsubscribed... I need to quit inciting riots. *From:* Robert *Sent:* Monday, June 6, 2022 2:35 PM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again... Yeah, I think I am seeing snow in hell...

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2022-06-06 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Probably just as well. David Sovreen just unsubscribed... I need to quit inciting riots. From: Robert Sent: Monday, June 6, 2022 2:35 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again... Yeah, I think I am seeing snow in hell... On 6/6/22 1:10 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

2022-06-06 Thread Robert
Yeah, I think I am seeing snow in hell... On 6/6/22 1:10 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Now that’s a first! *From:* Steve Jones *Sent:* Monday, June 6, 2022 1:48 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again... rotflmao lent On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 2:46 PM

Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

2022-06-06 Thread Jay Weekley
The availability of guns isn't the problem. Turning nutcases into celebrities is the problem. This wasn't a thing when I was in school and guns were readily available. Darin Steffl wrote: Why is everyone's solution to spend tons more money on hardening schools and adding more paid law enforc

Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

2022-06-06 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Now that’s a first! From: Steve Jones Sent: Monday, June 6, 2022 1:48 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again... rotflmao lent On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 2:46 PM Darin Steffl wrote: Why is everyone's solution to spend tons more money on hardening sc

Re: [AFMUG] Librenms/Packetflux Sitemonitor Base III

2022-06-06 Thread Josh Baird
It's open source. Submit a pull request. The docs are decent, but the examples are even better that you can find in the code base. On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 3:49 PM Steven Kenney via AF wrote: > There is a process you can go through and they'll add it. Its in their > docs. Then you post it to g

Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

2022-06-06 Thread Steve Jones
rotflmao lent On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 2:46 PM Darin Steffl wrote: > Why is everyone's solution to spend tons more money on hardening schools > and adding more paid law enforcement? > > The solution is and always has been to keep bad guys from getting guns. > It's much cheaper than hardening eve

Re: [AFMUG] Librenms/Packetflux Sitemonitor Base III

2022-06-06 Thread Steven Kenney via AF
There is a process you can go through and they'll add it. Its in their docs. Then you post it to github I believe. Best provide the mibs and an snmpwalk of a device - specify which things you want to graph and how it should be categorised. I used to have my own guy who did all of this for Libr

Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

2022-06-06 Thread Darin Steffl
Why is everyone's solution to spend tons more money on hardening schools and adding more paid law enforcement? The solution is and always has been to keep bad guys from getting guns. It's much cheaper than hardening every public place. Why do you want to make school a prison? Barbed wire fences, o

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2022-06-06 Thread dmmoffett
That’s a fancy way to say you only get to lose a gunfight once. From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Monday, June 06, 2022 1:49 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again... I have been shot at, but never been in comba

Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

2022-06-06 Thread Steve Jones
There has to be a decision made on what we want from police. You cant demand they shoot white shooters, but gently caress any other ethnicity. You cant demand police be demilitarized at the same time you demand they be ready to engage a heavily armed operator at a split second notice you cant deman

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2022-06-06 Thread castarritt
We've neutered the police so effectively they can't do the job anymore. We need terminator robots. On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:49 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > I have been shot at, but never been in combat. I don’t carry a weapon > because I don’t want that option. That option is one of the i

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2022-06-06 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
I have been shot at, but never been in combat. I don’t carry a weapon because I don’t want that option. That option is one of the initial starting conditions of a higher order ordinary differential equation. I prefer a linear equation. If a firefighter is armored such that they can probabl

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2022-06-06 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Why not equip all school doors with electrically controlled latches. Fire alarm automatically disables them unless there is a concurrent lock down alarm. (Or maybe not.) This would be very easy to do. Even retrofit with wireless control. Give all staff a pendent button lanyard. Several but

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2022-06-06 Thread dmmoffett
I’m fine with background checks and mental health screenings. The problem is crazy look like normal people until after they’ve already done something crazy, so there are no perfect answers. From: AF On Behalf Of Andy Trimmell Sent: Monday, June 06, 2022 12:54 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwa

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2022-06-06 Thread Jason McKemie
True, if they're properly trained and doing their job it would be more effective. On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:05 PM Robert wrote: > There was also the shooting down in the south, where they had a school > "police" officer who stood back and did nothing. That's not necessarily a > solution either

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2022-06-06 Thread Robert
There was also the shooting down in the south, where they had a school "police" officer who stood back and did nothing.   That's not necessarily a solution either. On 6/6/22 9:58 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: Seems like we should just be giving additional funding to police departments so that they

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2022-06-06 Thread Robert
In sunnyvale, Ca.   The police are firefighters and the firefighters back up police..  kinda like you are talking about.. On 6/6/22 9:05 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I may regret posting this but I had a thought. How about we let the fire department handle active shooters at schools. They kno

Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

2022-06-06 Thread Jason McKemie
Seems like we should just be giving additional funding to police departments so that they can have a regular presence at schools. On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 11:08 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > I may regret posting this but I had a thought. > > How about we let the fire department handle active sho

Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

2022-06-06 Thread Andy Trimmell
If anything shoots back or has the ability to do so most of them aren’t too interested in that from what I’ve experienced. They get very upset if you don’t disclose if you had bullets or guns in the fire they’re working. If they find out they pull all of the fire fighters out. I’d be inte

Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

2022-06-06 Thread Steve Jones
Many first responders, fire and ems, do wear armor now, particularly in urban areas where potshots at fire trucks is becoming a fad. The issue is arming them and giving them permission to kill. After the mid term is over, the media frenzy of "kill ther perp" will go back to defund. We do not want

Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

2022-06-06 Thread Bill Prince
Not a totally terribly idea.. I should point out that the city of Sunnyvale California eliminated the "fire department" many years ago (we lived in Sunnyvale until 1996). They have "Public Safety Officers". These officers patrol the city in police cruisers, and wher

[AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

2022-06-06 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
I may regret posting this but I had a thought. How about we let the fire department handle active shooters at schools. They know how to get there fast. They are ready to go at an instants notice. They know how to breach any building and rescue survivors. They have heavy protective gear on, ju