Re: Using FILE instead of DISK devclass to avoid disk under-utilization

2006-10-26 Thread Stef Coene
On Thursday 26 October 2006 21:29, Allen S. Rout wrote: > >> On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:34:31 -0500, Roger Deschner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> said: > > > > You probably want to avoid RAID5 for disk storage pools, whether > > sequential or random. That can really slow client backups, because > > RAID5 is

Re: Using FILE instead of DISK devclass to avoid disk under-utilization

2006-10-26 Thread Allen S. Rout
>> On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:34:31 -0500, Roger Deschner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > You probably want to avoid RAID5 for disk storage pools, whether > sequential or random. That can really slow client backups, because > RAID5 is quite slow for writing. RAID5 is really only good for > read-mostly ap

Re: Using FILE instead of DISK devclass to avoid disk under-utilization

2006-10-26 Thread Daniel Clark
On 10/26/06, Thomas Denier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -Daniel Clark wrote: - >On 10/25/06, Thomas Denier wrote: >> The first problem is that things get really ugly if the storage >> pools collectively get larger than the shared disk space. > >Ugly in what kind of way? Clients don't just

Re: Using FILE instead of DISK devclass to avoid disk under-utilization

2006-10-26 Thread Daniel Clark
On 10/26/06, Mark Stapleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bos, Karel >For normal backup data I like to use JBOD config. No read protection at >all and maximum usable GB per disk. In order to minimize the number of >storage pools ne

Re: Using FILE instead of DISK devclass to avoid disk under-utilization

2006-10-26 Thread Daniel Clark
On 10/26/06, Bos, Karel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Reading the thread and missing something. Why another stg? You may have missed it, as the reason that prompted my question was buried in one of the later replies - basically I need to have a "special" storage pool for a limited set of machines

Re: Using FILE instead of DISK devclass to avoid disk under-utilization

2006-10-26 Thread Thomas Denier
-Daniel Clark wrote: - >On 10/25/06, Thomas Denier wrote: >> The first problem is that things get really ugly if the storage >> pools collectively get larger than the shared disk space. > >Ugly in what kind of way? Clients don't just block until one of the >FILE class devices on disk is m

Re: Using FILE instead of DISK devclass to avoid disk under-utilization

2006-10-26 Thread goc
we are using RAID5 in last 6 years as diskpools with no problems whatsoever we used SSA, now we are using SATA on DS4100 goran - Original Message - From: "Mark Stapleton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:22 PM Subject: Re: Using FILE instead

Re: Using FILE instead of DISK devclass to avoid disk under-utilization

2006-10-26 Thread Mark Stapleton
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bos, Karel >For normal backup data I like to use JBOD config. No read protection at >all and maximum usable GB per disk. In order to minimize the number of >storage pools needed, ITSM 5.3 has the collecation by group option. Ther

Re: Using FILE instead of DISK devclass to avoid disk under-utilization

2006-10-26 Thread Bos, Karel
instead of DISK devclass to avoid disk under-utilization On 10/26/06, Roger Deschner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You probably want to avoid RAID5 for disk storage pools, whether > sequential or random. That can really slow client backups, because > RAID5 is quite slow for writing.

Re: Using FILE instead of DISK devclass to avoid disk under-utilization

2006-10-26 Thread Daniel Clark
On 10/26/06, Roger Deschner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You probably want to avoid RAID5 for disk storage pools, whether sequential or random. That can really slow client backups, because RAID5 is quite slow for writing. RAID5 is really only good for read-mostly applications, so at least you'll mi

Re: Using FILE instead of DISK devclass to avoid disk under-utilization

2006-10-25 Thread Roger Deschner
You probably want to avoid RAID5 for disk storage pools, whether sequential or random. That can really slow client backups, because RAID5 is quite slow for writing. RAID5 is really only good for read-mostly applications, so at least you'll migrate quickly. You probably want RAID10 instead, a stripe

Re: Using FILE instead of DISK devclass to avoid disk under-utilization

2006-10-25 Thread Daniel Clark
On 10/25/06, Thomas Denier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We are using this kind of setup with TSM 5.2. We have run into two types of problems. The first problem is that things get really ugly if the storage pools collectively get larger than the shared disk space. Ugly in what kind of way? Client

Re: Using FILE instead of DISK devclass to avoid disk under-utilization

2006-10-25 Thread Daniel Clark
On 10/25/06, Prather, Wanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Um. I don't really see what the issue is. TSM is elegantly designed to automatically compensate for a disk pool being too small on occasion by kicking in the migration to tape automatically for you, based on the thresholds you set. So it's

Re: Using FILE instead of DISK devclass to avoid disk under-utilization

2006-10-25 Thread Thomas Denier
- Daniel Clark wrote: - >However in [3] there is anecdotal evidence that for undefined >reasons, >this just doesn't work well; however these messages are from 2000 / >ADSMv3, so I am wondering if anyone has any recent experience with >this kind of setup in TSM 5.2 or 5.3. We are using thi

Re: Using FILE instead of DISK devclass to avoid disk under-utilization

2006-10-25 Thread Prather, Wanda
ctober 25, 2006 11:49 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Using FILE instead of DISK devclass to avoid disk under-utilization I just got a situation that requires yet another storage pool hierarchy, and I am starting to run into the problem described in [1]; basically I have more than enough disk

Using FILE instead of DISK devclass to avoid disk under-utilization

2006-10-25 Thread Daniel Clark
I just got a situation that requires yet another storage pool hierarchy, and I am starting to run into the problem described in [1]; basically I have more than enough disk in aggregate to handle nightly backup loads, but when partitioned between different disk-based storage pools, on a nightly bas