Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-16 Thread Remco Post
hmmm, and now the scary part... my IBM business partner just phoned me a few days ago to tell me the new licensing-scheme is postponed for TSM. More details as soon as I've spoken to her in person on monday. -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Remco Post SARA - Reken- en Netwerkdiensten

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-14 Thread Kauffman, Tom
ssage- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen S. Rout Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:19 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Pricing model for 5.4 I was a little surprised at Steve's cautious response to my post. Looking over it I think I unders

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-14 Thread Allen S. Rout
I was a little surprised at Steve's cautious response to my post. Looking over it I think I understand it now, and it makes me want to emphasize that I'm not advocating just ignoring the issue ("Don't worry about it too much"). Focus on the "too much", not the "don't worry". :) If you develop a m

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-14 Thread Allen S. Rout
>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:22:28 +1000, Steven Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I'm not so sure about this. One of our customers took a rather cavalier > attitude to TSM licencing, and were using about 3 times as many licences > as they'd paid for. IBM via PriceWaterhouseCoopers came in one da

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-13 Thread Steven Harris
Allen S. Rout wrote: On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:11:03 +1000, Steven Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: Again, the product has not been enhanced to automatically collect and maintain this information, providing a significant overhead for administrators and a lack of assurance that licencing is *ever

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-12 Thread Prather, Wanda
Hee hee! Dude, you made me laugh - AGAIN! I like "Boo!" as the best response to a lot of things.! From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager on behalf of Allen S. Rout Sent: Mon 2/12/2007 12:13 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Pricing model for 5.4

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-12 Thread Kelly Lipp
nday, February 12, 2007 10:14 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Pricing model for 5.4 >> On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:11:03 +1000, Steven Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Again, the product has not been enhanced to automatically collect and > maintain this information, p

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-12 Thread Allen S. Rout
>> On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:11:03 +1000, Steven Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Again, the product has not been enhanced to automatically collect > and maintain this information, providing a significant overhead for > administrators and a lack of assurance that licencing is *ever* > correct. Sure

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-09 Thread Ochs, Duane
# of cores System x same as BladeCenter -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gill, Geoffrey L. Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:29 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Pricing model for 5.4 Ok, this will be my last. Having neve

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-09 Thread Leigh Reed
007 20:29 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Pricing model for 5.4 Ok, this will be my last. Having never seen what we were paying for licences you can obviously come to the conclusion you have. I can't and won't post that info but I have data to prove it. I can tell you that IBM has

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-08 Thread Gill, Geoffrey L.
r SAIC M/S-G1b (858)826-4062 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Remco Post Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:30 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Pricing model for 5.4 Gill, Geoffrey L. wrote: > Jus

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-08 Thread Kauffman, Tom
Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly Lipp Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:06 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Pricing model for 5.4 OK, I've resisted as long as I could. As you can all imagine, I have numerous conflicting thoughts about

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-08 Thread Kelly Lipp
rey L. Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:50 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Pricing model for 5.4 Luckily I was at the dentist when the first response came out and I've had time to take a few breaths. I'm on the same page as Tom here. I think we all know how pricing

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-08 Thread Gill, Geoffrey L.
ministrator SAIC M/S-G1b (858)826-4062 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kauffman, Tom Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 8:53 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Pricing model for 5.4 We all know software o

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-08 Thread Kauffman, Tom
ct if I can't find an indication of pricing first. Tom Kauffman NIBCO, Inc -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Stapleton Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:55 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Pricing model for 5.4 Fr

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-08 Thread Mark Stapleton
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager on behalf of Kauffman, Tom I second that. In general, my approach is that any product the vendor is too ashamed to post pricing for is a product not worth considering. There is no issue of "shame" here. Buying software at the enterprise level is not like going to

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-08 Thread Remco Post
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:23 PM > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Re: Pricing model for 5.4 > > I second the motion, Steve! > > TSM should be able to track/mange the license scheme. > Or they should provide an additional tool to do it - without charging > y

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-07 Thread Kauffman, Tom
Of Gill, Geoffrey L. Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:43 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Pricing model for 5.4 Just "one" of my pet peves with this product. I just went through this with someone and it looks to me like the changes that were made since the last time have d

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-07 Thread Gill, Geoffrey L.
ystems Administrator SAIC M/S-G1b (858)826-4062 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Longo Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:23 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Pricing model for 5.4 I second the motion

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-07 Thread Remco Post
Steven Harris wrote: > > If anyone has been able to find the PVU detail could they please post it > for those of us who don't have access to Passport Advantage? > You reseller should have the info, and provide it to you on request. Since you only need the info when buying new licenses, I see no pr

Re: Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-06 Thread David Longo
I second the motion, Steve! TSM should be able to track/mange the license scheme. Or they should provide an additional tool to do it - without charging you $100K for the tool! David B. Longo System Administrator Health First, Inc. 3300 Fiske Blvd. Rockledge, FL 32955-4305 PH 321.434.5536 P

Pricing model for 5.4

2007-02-06 Thread Steven Harris
Hi All, I was looking at the TSM 5.4 announcement letter and notice that 5.4 now attracts "Processor Value Unit" pricing. The (AP) announcement letter points you to the PVU announcement letter AP06-0154, which contains a lot of justification and not much else. It in turn points you to a website