[Acme] Re: Can we rename "draft-bweeks-acme-device-attest" to "webauthn-attest"?

2024-07-25 Thread Thomas Fossati
Hi Mike, Brandon, On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 at 23:10, Mike Ounsworth wrote: > > Hi Brandon, > > So, you are registering the challenge “device-attest-01”, but your draft is > very specific to WebAuthn, and excludes any other attestation technology. > > Request: could you either rename your draft to “we

[Acme] Re: Can we rename "draft-bweeks-acme-device-attest" to "webauthn-attest"?

2024-07-25 Thread Carl Wallace
Why is the extensibility mechanism in webauthn not sufficient? There's even a registry already set up for those already: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8809#sctn-attstn-format-registry. On 7/25/24, 9:13 AM, "Thomas Fossati" mailto:thomas.foss...@linaro.org>> wrote: Hi Mike, Brandon, On W

[Acme] Re: Presentations for the ACME session at IETF 120

2024-07-25 Thread Sipos, Brian J.
Yoav, I did not have enough time to approve specific slides for this week, but I can talk about the status of the DTN-related ACME draft for 10-15 minutes. From: Yoav Nir Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2024 7:52 PM To: IETF ACME Subject: [EXT] [Acme] Re: Presentations for the ACME session at IE

[Acme] Re: Can we rename "draft-bweeks-acme-device-attest" to "webauthn-attest"?

2024-07-25 Thread Mike Ounsworth
Carl, Thomas, I think we’re gonna see three situations: 1) ACME attestation evidence comes wrapped inside WebAuthn. 2) ACME attestation evidence comes wrapped inside CMW. 3) ACME attestation evidence comes in some other format – either not wrapped, or in some other wrapper format. Ca

[Acme] Re: Can we rename "draft-bweeks-acme-device-attest" to "webauthn-attest"?

2024-07-25 Thread Thomas Fossati
Hi Carl, On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:19 PM Carl Wallace wrote: > > Why is the extensibility mechanism in webauthn not sufficient? There's even a > registry already set up for those already: > https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8809#sctn-attstn-format-registry. In the scope of Brandon's draft I th

[Acme] Re: Can we rename "draft-bweeks-acme-device-attest" to "webauthn-attest"?

2024-07-25 Thread Thomas Fossati
On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 at 17:30, Mike Ounsworth wrote: > Regardless, somebody probably needs to start a draft parallel to Brandon’s > that tells how to carry CMW in ACME so that we can start having these > discussions Happy to help with that. > [...] let’s not slow down Brandon’s draft by trying

[Acme] Re: Can we rename "draft-bweeks-acme-device-attest" to "webauthn-attest"?

2024-07-25 Thread Brandon Weeks
While the final draft could certainly register "webauthn-attest-01" instead, I seriously doubt reclaiming "device-attest-01" for more generic use is possible at this point. Just as an one example, three major versions of iOS and two major versions of macOS at a minimum will ship that use the valida

[Acme] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Can we rename "draft-bweeks-acme-device-attest" to "webauthn-attest"?

2024-07-25 Thread Mike Ounsworth
> The identifier version suffix seems plausibly useful here. Could the future > ACME CMW document register "device-attest-02" instead of repurposing > "device-attest-01"? I could see that working. --- Mike Ounsworth -Original Message- From: Brandon Weeks Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2024

[Acme] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Can we rename "draft-bweeks-acme-device-attest" to "webauthn-attest"?

2024-07-25 Thread Thomas Fossati
On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 at 18:50, Mike Ounsworth wrote: > > > The identifier version suffix seems plausibly useful here. Could the future > > ACME CMW document register "device-attest-02" instead of repurposing > > "device-attest-01"? > > I could see that working. +1 (maybe dropping "device-" altog

[Acme] Re: Can we rename "draft-bweeks-acme-device-attest" to "webauthn-attest"?

2024-07-25 Thread Carl Wallace
Inline… From: Mike Ounsworth Date: Thursday, July 25, 2024 at 11:30 AM To: Carl Wallace , Thomas Fossati Cc: "acme@ietf.org" , "draft-acme-device-att...@ietf.org" Subject: RE: [Acme] Re: Can we rename "draft-bweeks-acme-device-attest" to "webauthn-attest"? Carl, Thomas, I think we

[Acme] Re: Can we rename "draft-bweeks-acme-device-attest" to "webauthn-attest"?

2024-07-25 Thread Mike Ounsworth
Carl, You’d propose to put inside CMW, inside WebAuthn, inside the device-attest-01 defined in Brandon’s draft? Is that done? I see the registry you’re referring to of registered Webauthn sub-formats: https://www.iana.org/assignments/webauthn/webauthn.xhtml but I don’t see CMW. Is that the

[Acme] Re: Presentations for the ACME session at IETF 120

2024-07-25 Thread Yoav Nir
Very well. You are on the agenda. We’ll leave a generic title slide for you in the chair deck. > On 25 Jul 2024, at 16:24, Sipos, Brian J. wrote: > > Yoav, > I did not have enough time to approve specific slides for this week, but I > can talk about the status of the DTN-related ACME draft

[Acme] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Rats] Explaining the "PKIX Evidence" draft,

2024-07-25 Thread Matthew McPherrin
My primary concern with "moving beyond the CSR" is that it's a defacto standard which is widely supported today, so we should make sure that (at least for the most part), an ACME client can still take a CSR and transform it into whatever public key format is required. But if the ACME client doesn'

[Acme] Re: [Rats] Re: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Explaining the "PKIX Evidence" draft,

2024-07-25 Thread Tom Jones
Why aren't we talking about going to DANE instead? thx ..Tom (mobile) On Thu, Jul 25, 2024, 3:34 PM Matthew McPherrin wrote: > My primary concern with "moving beyond the CSR" is that it's a defacto > standard which is widely supported today, so we should make sure that (at > least for the most