? Are they even being produced?
John
coming sequel, "Why The Hell Are You Even On
This List", with a cast of thousands, three hundred dancing rabbits, and
a world-class score (if you have a compatible audio device)!
John
for me, so I wrote a wiki page:
http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Adding_a_monitor_to_vgadb/index.html
Hope that helps; I've tried something similar with a different monitor
and managed to get a setup that causes the screen to jiggle and hurt
my eyes, so your mileage may vary.
John
t;
> So much code, so much precision, so much specificity in dealing with
> computers. It often spreads outside of the computational context and
> into one's personality.
>
I'd think less that than the well-documented 9fans discussion process:
1. Someone brings up an idea
2. Half the list explains why it's bad
3. Trolling
4. Deciding on what is most "plan 9-ish"
5. No code is ever implemented by anyone
John
t;
> Werc handles POST just fine, and actually maht just implemented
> multiple file upload, which I never bothered to do because I never had
> use for it and thought it would be too hard, apparently didn't take
> him more than an afternoon to do it.
>
> uriel
So, how hard is it to get werc running on real Plan 9? The readme was
for Plan 9 Ports last time I checked.
John
/cgi/foo
to run my script 'foo'. However... nothing. Don't even get an
error, just a blank page. Am I missing something? This intersects a
few areas that I don't know much about--the Plan 9 httpd server, and
how cgi stuff works in general.
John Floren
ns at the
> prompt. I haven't learned yet how to change them from within Plan 9.
To change in the future, run "9fat:" and edit vgasize. For more info
see plan9.ini(8)
John Floren
>> http://myserver/magic/cgi/foo?var1=val1?var2=val2
>
> i think you wish
>
> http://myserver/magic/cgi?var1=val1&var2=val2
>
> - erik
So what are these magical vars? Where do I specify
the cgi program to run?
John
> ... the manpage
> for juke, ...
>
Juke is really old and kind of painful to use. Easier to just use
mp3dec on the command line, but if you must use juke I have some
scripts in my contrib (/n/sources/contrib/john/) that will make juke
easier to deal with.
> Here's wha
nd it. For the Web, I'll just type webfs when I need it.
How to write an executable script? Don't you use Unix? It's the same:
1. Put #!/bin/rc at the top of your file
2. chmod +x file
You could have easily looked at something like /rc/bin/sig or whatever to
figure out the same stuff, but I guess it continues to be easier to post on
9fans than to think.
John
it does under
Unix (or, more puzzlingly, Windows). Maybe I should make a wiki page,
"Things that are the same as in Unix", to offset our constant
statement "Plan 9 is not Unix".
John
tes password;
it is Bad News when the nvram password doesn't match the bootes password.
No need to do it if you change a different user's password.
John
> I found some v2 client under contrib/john, which I compiled
> successfuly in plan9 (but failed in 9vx...). I can connect with this
> to my linux box, however, I somehow cannot connect to other (for me
> more important) computers. Either I see really nothing to happen, or I
> see
I spent a couple hours this afternoon reading rio source and hacking
it to do virtual desktops. /n/sources/contrib/john/rio-virtual.tgz
contains the files from /sys/src/cmd/rio with my changes made. At
this time, there is no support for specifying the number of virtuals,
because I'm lazy
icking the middle mouse button away from any
windows, like in p9p rio. It should say this in the README.
John
rs are illegal in Windows
> filenames but for the purposes of example assume ~ is illegal:
I believe it was Nemo et al. who wrote trfs, which does essentially
what you want--it stands between you and your badly-named files,
presenting spaces as underscores or something to that effect.
John
e it a shot. There's no magical trick to using acme quickly
and effectively; just like any editor, you'll have to get used to it
and figure out how you want to use it.
John
d one up
at Weird Stuff for $3.
The three-button Logitech mice are stellar for chording, because it's
meant for you to have index finger on 1, middle on 2, and ring finger
on 3, and it accomodates them comfortably. Also, you don't have the
scrollwheel buckling and rolling around as you try to mid-click. I
have about 4 of the Logitechs and use them whenever possible.
John
somebody posted one of these
threads. I'll probably say it again the next time.
John
> Thanks for saying what I didn't have the words to say. May I quote you
> forever?
> -joe
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Noah Evans wrote:
>
>> There's
y; it seems
that the reason he still uses sarge for linuxemu is that
newer versions are incompatible with linuxemu as it stands,
and sarge runs effectively enough.
John
a USB audio thing?
John
9
machines which could use an audio output.
John
So, I finally got tired of slow desktop switching with the nvidia
driver and thought I'd give vesa another shot. However, upon
rebooting with vesa in 1600x1200x16 mode, I'm seeing strange artifacts
when using vncv and fgb's equis; an example from vnc is shown at
http://csplan9.rit
/boot/dist/replica/client/plan9.db: compactdb 192196:
opendb /n/boot/dist/replica/client/plan9.db:
'/n/boot/dist/replica/client/plan9.db' does not exist
What's going on?
John
ook at the error, it seems that there's something wrong
with my ramdisk image; any insights, anyone? Who has been maintaining
the bitsy stuff?
John
ting
up a standalone CPU server. You'll be using the 9pccpuf kernel.
PXE booting isn't particularly hard, or you could install Plan 9
to the terminal's hard drive and specify root from the file server.
John
ction that you cannot publish results from modified benchmarks,
so keep your results to yourself.
The source is in /n/sources/contrib/john/9bench.tgz
John
Macros From Hell, just take
a look at bench.h for BENCH0, BENCH, BENCH1, and BENCH-INNER.
(disclaimer: I didn't write those)
John
>> term% ls -l /386/bin/fossil/fossil
>> --rwxrwxr-x M 8 sys sys 366315 Dec 31 1969 /386/bin/fossil/fossil
>
> December 1969? I think not.
>
Ah yes, the day before time began :)
ct machine, you end up
waiting a long time. Changing "plan9.domain" to just "plan9" in the
auth= and dom= fields for my network and server entries seems to have
cleared up the problem.
John
10 new synthetic
filesystems they'll never build", well, I can read that on 9fans and
so will everyone else who doesn't have an adequate killfile.
John
xtra, it's old, it's unsupported), I'd be more inclined to
write an interface to a remote postgresql or MySQL server, or try to
port one of those.
I agree with you 100% on the last point, though. Nobody needs Java,
and nobody knows that better than the people on this list.
John
ns; if the operating system is "noisy", less work will be done
and you'll see spikes on the graph. The best way to understand this
is to run the test and look at it.
Tarball is at /n/sources/contrib/john/ftq.tgz
Unlike the lmbench port, there are no restrictions on this
benchmark
o I did. I'll look at the one on sourceforge.
John
ly do not suggest that "kgetpid" should actually go
into the kernel; it's purely an example, one that requires very little
code to implement.
The paper is in /n/sources/contrib/john/syscall.ps or, for you fakers
who don't have Plan 9 boxes,
http://cm.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/
>> i wonder if they'll give the same results!
>
> yes, the results are very similar (it's not an exact number). top here
> is the original ftq, bottom is John's port:
>
> http://mirtchovski.com/screenshots/ftq.jpg
>
> btw, John, please add a "clea
>
> +-+
> Glenn Becker - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
> +-+
>From the scat man page:
The Digitized Sky Survey, 102 CD-ROMs, is not distributed with the
system.
I had always assumed that was the reason. A 103-CD Plan 9 distro
is not something I would enjoy.
John
was a major problem for my standalone cpu server; I was getting so
many connection attempts that it was becoming hard to use the system.
I eventually disabled the ftp daemon. Has anyone hacked ftpd to make
such attempts less attractive or less disruptive?
John
Over the weekend, I received mail pointing out a typo and a conceptual
error; I have fixed both and re-uploaded the paper. Those of you who
have already read the document will note that systab.h is created by a
script, not edited by hand as I said at first.
John
t;
>> Hello,
>>
>> In sshserve.c:
>>
>> void
>> usage(void)
>> {
>> fprint(2, "usage: sshserve [-A authlist] [-c cipherlist] client-ip-
>> address\n");
>> usage();
>> }
>>
>> This code can make endless loop. Right?
>>
>> Kenji Arisawa
>>
>>
Submit a patch!
And don't top-post, damn it. We aren't all MicroSavages here.
John
eric quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> please explain why bottom posting is better.
>
> - erik
>
> p.s. ☺
Because it screws up conversation order.
>Why is top-posting bad?
>>Top-posting.
>>>What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?
you know, you could get a pc.
>>
>> - erik
>>
3com Etherlink PCI cards are a few dollars each. Find a sysadmin
somewhere and he'll probably give you one if you're nice. I must
have something like 5 of these laying around in different places,
and I didn't have to pay for any of them.
John
/lib/rfc/grabrfc? I'm running it now and it seems to be populating
just fine.
John
> does this exist anywhere?
>
> - erik
http://cm.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Informal_Wiki_Setup/index.html
Under "Download Missing Files"
John
x27;t know what yet.
>
> As soon as I get this right I'll put it on sources.
>
> Federico G. Benavento
>
Congratulations! This is quite cool; I look forward to seeing a
contrib package for it :)
John
on a different
graphics system", I'll now be able to add, "but we have X11 too".
I would post a screenshot but it looks just like any Linux box running
TWM.
John
y a function of the window size/shape
and partially a result of some perverse gremlin somewhere in my
machine; if I keep killing and restarting equis while twiddling window
size, I can eventually get a working display.
John
ng
any network devices, it seems.
John
alled and wants its
> terminal server mentality back.
>
> - erik
cpu is not persistent, at least not in the way
he wants it.
John
h this link ione only gets the starting page of the paper. Is there
> any other source for the complete Paper (without cost)?
>
> bblochl
I'm not sure what you're looking at, but when I downloaded and
uncompressed that paper I got the whole thing.
John
; (which you can find at http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/doc/88/1-07.ps.gz).
>>>>
>>> With this link ione only gets the starting page of the paper. Is there
>>> any other source for the complete Paper (without cost)?
>>>
>>> bblochl
>>>
uot; sort. At least until the 'new user' anxiety dies down a bit,
> and the return of rational thought allows one to digest the more
> extensive documentation.
>
> Besides, isn't not being UNIX one of the prominent features of Plan 9?
>
> Steven Vormwald
>
buttons for 20 years and THAT'S why their system has failed.
John
efore we can
use Plan 9. I'm afraid that until you can provide those, Joe Public
will never use Plan 9 and it will be forever doomed to run only on
supercomputers and storage systems and in research settings.
John "Bob Dobbs" Floren
elf wanting Lisp, Scheme, and Haskell and all my other weird
> programming toys for Plan 9 too. I believe Haskell and Scheme are handled,
> but has there ever been a Common Lisp implementation for it? Perhaps I
> should look into a port of SBCL or something.
>
> Dave
>
Yes please! I know I'd use it.
John
escription of
your computing habits, although some of the information does explain
your previous patterns of posting.
You apparently succeed at school; didn't they teach you about sarcasm,
satire, irony, all the various methods people use to insult and mock
each other without actually coming out and saying, "I hate you and
hope you die"?
John
worked out...
>
> But now there's a new problem: After installing it and rebooting the
> computer, everything seems normal until the message "init:
> starting /bin/rc". Nothing happens then although the computer does not
> freeze (keyboard input is shown on the screen).
>
> Philip
Remove the CD-ROM drive from your VMware configuration and boot.
John
s
on a Plan 9 server or terminal from scratch.
Can anyone who has tried installing Octopus with the newest
distribution describe what you ended up doing? Did you install on a
CPU server or a terminal? What files did you need to modify?
Thanks
John
ing to do with the size of the file systems--correct?
Thanks
John
setting mem, bcmem, and icmem all to 1M but no improvement.
They are not set by default, and trying the configuration shown in the
man page actually prevents the system from booting (out of memory).
John
>> I tried setting mem, bcmem, and icmem all to 1M but no improvement.
>> They are not set by default, and trying the configuration shown in the
>> man page actually prevents the system from booting (out of memory).
>>
>> John
>
> perhaps i'm pointing o
seperate auth and fs.
>
> - erik
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Drawterm_to_your_terminal/index.html
John
n 9, with all the lightweight sensible
kernel goodness of Linux? ;)
Kidding aside, looks fairly interesting. I look forward to seeing it
when completed.
John
ut I would like to get a monospace font if
possible.
John
hVar }
>
> a good solution?
>
> 2) ... a way to always have Edit in the tag line (without recompiling)?
>
> Thanks
>
> Ruda
I have this in my lib/profile:
acmefont = /lib/font/bit/lucida/unicode.6.font
fn acme { /bin/acme -f $acmefont $* }
John
eech
For a simplest first implementation, it may be best to try interfacing
with a Festival TTS server on a UNIX box rather than developing a
text-to-speech application for Plan 9--Nemo, isn't that what you have
at lsub?
John
erface, he should write it. I've felt a need for such a
thing myself while fiddling with kernels that don't have video
support. Believe it or not, there *is* room in Plan 9 for additions
and improvements.
John "Denial ain't just a river" Floren
want for the references... but we don't
seem to have .XP in Plan 9 troff.
Has anyone here written a similar macro for Plan 9? I'm a bit fried
after a lot of paper-writing and some Matlab work this afternoon or
I'd try to figure something out from the troff manual.
Thanks
John
ething out from the troff manual.
>
> Thanks
>
> John
Really what I want here is .HP from -man but if I use -man I get
really ugly fonts... yet if I copy over the .de HP chunk from tmac.an
into my .ms file, the formatting doesn't work properly.
John
>> less is more.
>
> If you say so, sir, it must be true. Is it also true that the less I
> understand of your comment the more meaningful it becomes?
>
Judging by your posts, the less you know, the more meaningful you
consider your opinion, so I'd agree with you here.
John
| proof
>
> or
>
> troff first_troff | page
>
> I will use page. With GNU, you convert to a PostScript file and open
> it with an image viewer:
>
> troff first_troff | grops > first_troff.ps
>
> (Heirloom goes here.)"
A video seems like a rather foolish place to try and explain troff,
since the whole process is a lot of text input and a couple commands.
There exist plenty of documents on writing troff AND they avoid the
cutesy "Ok now let's do this... here's what I did... Now the fun
part" form.
John
>-eric
Putting in a request for somewhere in the Northeast U.S. next year,
if people are willing to accept the weather. I'd offer to host it
here in Rochester (at RIT, I think they'd go for it) but the
conditions can be expected to be similar to Murray Hill's from IWP9
2007.
John
cpu server and leave you at the
terminal prompt when you are done.
I have no idea why you are trying to ssh from your cpu server to your
terminal or to the fileserver. Forget ssh. If you have a Plan 9
network, ssh is 100% wrong for you.
John
your terminals and CPU servers using the fileserver as their
root filesystem, the way they should be?
John
ith McDonalds while we insist on
serving steak and lobster.
John
tional blindness when I reach that part of
the wiki page.
John
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> this brings up another question of mine, how can I install Plan B?
>
If you're a big enough badass,
http://csplan9.rit.edu/users/john/planb.txt or
/n/sources/contrib/john/planb.txt may help you. I wasn't quite badass
enough, so while I got Plan B i
rilliant.
Dune is essential, as noted earlier. Skip anything by Brian Herbert.
Charles Stross' "Atrocity Archives" is excellent too, but I'm a sucker
for techno-Lovecraftian stuff.
And yes, read Jules Verne and H G Wells. I got "A Journey to the
Center of the Earth" in
Devtrace is ready for your consumption, hot out of the
oven and juicy fresh. The source is at
/n/sources/contrib/john/devtrace-backport.tgz
which includes all the necessary source files, the man
page (troff), and instructions for putting it in the
kernel and compiling.
Remember, this isn't
This source is backported to the PC kernel in /sys/src/9/pc.
The instructions make this abundantly clear, what with all
the stuff being done in /sys/src/9/pc.
John
> Does it work now with non-amd64 kernels?
>
> Peace
>
> uriel
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:36 PM, wrote:
>> In fact, one could actually look at what John released
>> *before* posting to this list and making oneself look silly. It's an
>> idea.
>
> Uriel is renowned for demanding tools to be released on principle,
> without him having any practical need for them
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 11:55:50PM -0500, j...@csplan9.rit.edu wrote:
>> It would be a bit of work but definitely feasible if there's interest.
>
> +1
I presume by this that you were able to get devtrace working? Did you
find the documentation sufficiently clear? Any problems?
John
27;d love to boot Plan 9 on my old
Alphastation, but I'm probably going to keep VMS or maybe try a UNIX.
Let's let the system die--and I say that as a fan of old computers.
Rather than supporting lots of architectures, I'd rather we had
support for more hardware. Instead of fixing the port of alpha, write
a couple device drivers; find an x86 itch and scratch it.
John
;
>>
That sounds interesting, especially given how cheap gumstix are. Ron
suggested doing the same thing last spring but we never got to it.
You can even get video systems for the gumstix, right? It would be fun
to glue one of those to the back of an LCD and have a nice terminal :)
John
line, and would love to see a port of Plan 9 (or
> Inferno) to the 770 or N800 (there's an even newer one, but i forget
> the model off hand and don't own one of those).
Maybe http://www.uniconsys.com/index.php/platforms ?
John
> I wouldn't usually do this, as I know this isn't e-bay, :) but since access
> to non-x86 hardware is being discussed...
>
> would anyone be interested in an IBM p630 (POWER4+)?
>
> -Ben
Only if I don't have to port Plan 9 to it ;)
John
various cables and ac power unit for testing)
>
> nkl
That sounds awesome, and a lot like something I've wanted to make for
a long time... just never put up the to get the hardware :)
Hopefully you or somebody can make it a reality, because I'd love a
wearable Plan 9 terminal.
John
acme Mail. Running a
remote acme is out of the question due to the connection, so
my question is: how can I get my mailbox bound/mounted locally
so I can access it with acme running on my terminal?
Thanks
John Floren
ould make usage clear.
Have pity on the admittedly awkward conglomeration of sed, awk, and rc
that makes up the scripts.
John
> Did you mean to attach the tarball with your mail? Or are we to find
> them somewhere else?
>
> ak
E I'm stupid, yeah
The tarball is at /n/sources/contrib/john/devtrace-scripts.tgz
I sometimes forget you people can't read minds :)
John
http://csplan9.rit.edu/users/john/plan9vt220-full.jpeg
http://csplan9.rit.edu/users/john/plan9vt220-screen.jpeg
Just threw this onto my CPU server (yes, mock my slow processor, it
was free) and was once again pleased with how easy it is to set stuff
up on Plan 9. Just one line in plan9.ini and
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 7:10 PM, wrote:
>>
>> http://csplan9.rit.edu/users/john/plan9vt220-full.jpeg
>> http://csplan9.rit.edu/users/john/plan9vt220-screen.jpeg
>>
>> Just threw this onto my CPU server (yes, mock my slow processor, it
>> was free) and was
ience 70s UNIX again--assuming you
are happy using ed. I'd try putting in the interrupt thing, but I
expect it would require removing the functionality from rio, which I
don't care to do :)
John
s to how
long it takes to enter a syscall and return, it also gave me a place
to put in syscall things I wanted to test.
John
PS: I'm sitting in an engineering lab near a couple of shrill freshmen
arguing KDE vs. GNOME... apparently they just discovered Linux
because nobody has mentioned a
couts?
>
> I love green and I admire your taste, John Floren.
>
Thank you
> By the way, this was the first picture of a VT220 I had ever seen in my
> life. The no-frills keyboard looks even cooler than the display.
The keyboard is nice to type on, but unfortunately it's a V
in ip addresses. sometimes a range
> will be too much trouble.
>
> you can use the nupas smtpd without using the rest
> of nupas, though you will need to use the nupas
> validatesender.
>
> - erik
Ok, so a couple questions:
1. What do I need to do in order to drop nupas into my system?
2. If I update /mail/lib/blocked, do I have to restart smtpd in order
to get the changes?
3. What's the best way to restart smtpd?
John
le to be as compatable as possible with the
> old system. so there's this wild theory that everything should
> "just work". ☺
>
> - erik
If nupas gets installed to /$objtype/bin/nupas, what files will I need
to update to make sure everything uses nupas rather than the old
upas? I'm assuming stuff in the listen scripts, any references in my
profile, but anything else?
Thanks
John Floren
> Criminals looking for encryption, to stop the PoPo
> from snooping, need look no further.
>
> http://www.CryptoSMS.org
>
> It's free, it's secure, and best of all, Pigs can't break it.
>
> --
> How will we cope after Rashid endorses the universal interview's panic?
||upas/spam
d
q
have a few amenities.
It looks like I'll want to use the okiibm driver, so I put that in the
DRIVERS= section of /sys/src/cmd/gs/mkfile, ran mk fake-make and then
mk install. gs successfully built, but gs -h doesn't show okiibm
among the available devices. Have I missed a step here?
Thanks
John Floren
the available devices. Have I missed a step here?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> John Floren
I think I've solved the problem by changing the mkfile from:
src/plan9.mak: src/unixansi.mak /sys/src/cmd/gs/contrib9.mak
to
src/plan9.mak: src/unixansi.mak /sys/src/cmd/gs/contrib9.mak\
src/contrib
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