> found what is likely the latest version lying on my laptop from over
> two years ago and dumped it in
> sources in ts7200.tar
>
> I got excited by the beagleboard again ...
>
> ron
Thank you for remembering to find this, it will be of great help to me!
Nick
>> Thank you for remembering to find this, it will be of great help to me!
>
> which board/cpu are you targeting? I really like that beagleboard.
>
> ron
The TS-7200 Technologic board, the exact board in your port, I
believe. The intent is to use it to netboot other machines.
Also of interest is
> unfortunately x86 cannot be beat, if the object of the game is
> price/performance
the object of the game is price and power. Performance doesn't
factor, notwithstanding that the terminal must drive 1024x768 vga.
Nick
> This one still has a fan. Is there anything decent *and* fanless out
> there?
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
Intel's 'netbook' platform (no amd64) -- fanless, uses a 12V DC brick
-- for mini-itx:
http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/D945GSEJT/D945GSEJT-overview.htm
Nick
PLEASE ERIS!! Your cerebral core-dumps are making me claustrophobic!
> maybe the Ken quote is false too - hard to believe he's that out of touch
The whole table was ganging up on Roman and his crazy idea, I believe
;). The objection mostly was to Intel dumping the complexity of
another core on the programmer after it ran out of steam in containing
parallelism with
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Roman V Shaposhnik wrote:
> Personally I think you'd be better off exploring a connection that a
> language called Lua has to C. In the immortal words of Casablanca it
> just could be "the begging of a beautiful friendship".
Well, it was nice while it lasted.
Nic
> To some extent -- that's the reason I'm asking my VM question. I think any
> non-trivial runtime is VM envy.
I take this as a desire to make use of simpler high level constructs
at the level of bytecodes.
Please do pardon me for the gratuitous presumptions of the author's
intentions in what fol
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:46 PM, pmarin wrote:
> Fortu
>
> fortunately, the unix world is less radical, you can use rlfe
> http://per.bothner.com/software/
>
> pmarin
fortunately, plan9 includes a c compiler
Nick
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 7:32 AM, wrote:
> OK.
>
> The good news---since I have continued to work a little on this while I
> have more urgent things to do---is that it is absolutely _simple_ to
> restart from this (the original web2c)... I don't know if the road of
> hell is paved with good intent
Congratulations on this exciting news!
-- A 9fan grateful for the public benefit already generated from
Coraid's technology and code.
Enrico Weigelt wrote:
>> And another important feature of shared libraries is, that when
>> some lib is updated, importing programs dont have to be recompiled.
Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> Actually, that's just a matter of clean dependency handling.
> Include an API/ABI version in the filename, etc.
I am utterly depressed that this pedestrian crap can so easily get a
rise out of several 9fans after all these times.
And, today especially, that advice applies to everybody:
http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_26281956/record-breaking-data-breach-highlights-widespread-security-flaws
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:14 PM, andrey mirtchovski
wrote:
> >> You must know your password to change your options (including
oice ... but
> you foreclose your correspondents' ... if they want to
> correspond with you. Google has it all.
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> "This message has been intercepted and read by U.S.
> government agencies including the FBI, CIA, and NSA without
> no
Please ignore my last message. It was intended for an entirely
different email thread. How embarrassing. (At least the SnR was
pretty low to begin with.)
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Nick LaForge wrote:
> The last two comments on this page might be of interest:
>
&
> Poking around Plan 9 and 9P, I was wondering whether it would be a
> neat hack or some sort of abuse to read and write dynamically served
> files at different offsets to get different semantics, instead of
> reading and writing different files (ctl, clone, etc.) to do that.
> Given that the syst
>>> we haven't got a task force to rip
>>> keyboards from careless hands
>>this is excellent!
> but Nick LaForge reminds us we can use more effective methods
> Vercotti: Doug (takes a drink) Well, I was terrified.
> Everyone was terrif
>> Nyang: I must say one thing: you are simply going to LOVE an
>> abomination of an acme feature i am working on!
>
> Do let us in on the secret (if you wish) :)
>
>
lets discuss it as soon as i get the code out... watch this space ;)
nkl
>> it has been a long time since we met.
>>
>> any plans to have our next Plan9 Bay Area Users Group Meeting?
>
> The sooner the better, I hope!
agreed :)
nkl
> it's abstractions, all the way down. at least until
> mack burps. he always does.
>
> - erik
we don't get upset about the complexity within
hardware abstractions.
i guess, because we don't usually see it?
and, because software is cheap, it tends to be optimized
for the immediate future, to
mr. eckhardt,
have you considered translating the evoluent usb interface into one
the kvm switch can understand with an atmel avr board?
nkl
> I bought one of these ("Evoluent VerticalMouse 3 Rev 2", aka VM3R2).
>
> It doesn't work with my KVM (IOGear GCS1734, neither top of the line
> nor junk)
>>> Me again - Were you successfull in porting 9vx to OpenBSD?
>>> If you need some testing help, contact me.
>>
>> Speaking of that, does anyone have an idea where NetBSD
>> would fit into that? Of the bunch, that's the one I've
>> used most and have deployed in the most places. I
>> would think
>> i'm interested in netbsd as a replacement for linux to serve 9p in
>> small ARM machines... i could use this
>
> Why not Inferno? (Native or hosted)
>
> uriel
>
>
thanks, i'd overlooked that option
I must say though that having to re-target to limbo is a minus. Is
there a 'plan9 c' to dis com
hello,
interfacing external languages should not often be hard, especially by
defining a relevent language subset.
i don't understand, though, why your external language 'xml' need now
be part of your application?
thanks,
nkl
> just looks like a good thing to run the bunny on. i don't have time to
> look into it now.
>
> brucee
is the keyboard horrendous?
nkl
> I wouldn't usually do this, as I know this isn't e-bay, :) but since access
> to non-x86 hardware is being discussed...
seeing that gumstix has been mentioned...
sitting on my desk is an assembled gumstix (no chassis) that had been
intended to be my wearable plan9 terminal.
my idea was to ru
> http://www.glomationinc.com/
i have adopted the 'technologic ts-7200':
http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=TS-7200
it runs netbsd, i have not started any plan9 work
nkl
Saw this on hacker news today: https://omar.website/tabfs/
It's for *nix and not Plan 9, but just glancing through the project
description it looks like it'll get you to something like webfs from abaco.
Didn't I see someone put "mozilla.tar" in their contrib directory a while
back? Well, I think
Not Plan 9, but lately I've been working in Chicken, which is a lovely
pragmatic Scheme for *nix: https://www.call-cc.org/ . Perhaps I should give
s9fes a shot as well!
Nick
On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 11:47 AM Bakul Shah wrote:
> Thanks!
>
> Nick Nickolov's k comes with solutions to ~150 AoC-{201
You THINK you have lots of control when you're dropping 'into' acid.
Amazing. I have no excuse for not using Linux now.
>Really there are just two kinds of licenses: ones that allow
>relicensing and ones that don't.
BSD-licensed software can't be re-licensed but it doesn't matter,
since the terms are as liberal as could possibly be, and you can just
license your own copyrighted contributions separately. And,
attem
I tried it and it is very fast to boot and run. However, the wrapper
did not copy Tvx-root to my home dir. Option 2 links to the package
install in /usr/local, but option 1 also links, but to the package
loopback mount in /tmp. The only files in my home are in the top
directory (the license, etc
sed '43 s/H/L/' Tvx
Why are there TWO ways for cp to follow symlinks? Why are there
symlinks it all? (That should do it.)
And, still:
cd /sys/doc
ls | grep 8
8
cd 8
Can't cd 8: '8' file does not exist
cd 8½
Can't cd 8½: '8½' file does not exist
cd 8?
ls 8?.ms
8�.ms
touch 9½
ls 9½
9½
Nick
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:58 PM, ron minnich wrote:
> Be careful .. did you set up a persistent /home? I'm not sure what you
> have done. There's no substitute at some point for seeing how things
> work at tinycore.org.
Not necessary -- once the install script is fixed to actually follow
the syml
>> you'll get no argument from me on that score.
> Ok. I'll remove it in the next version.
I think he was responding to my hyperbolic statement there. There's
no reason not to use symlinks if we can't bind things anyway. Your
option 2 just links to the root dir in /usr/local which is just fine
Would a phonetic morphology à la the ceePlusPlus of wiki would suffice
for our lexically challenged friends?
Is this a trick to get C++ back on Plan9??
>There's tutorials for doing so from O'Caml
[http://llvm.org/docs/tutorial/]
That looks really neat. I had watched this*:
[http://vimeo.com/14313378] weeks back, subsequently flipping through
Appel's "Modern Compiler Implementation in ML", but ultimately
deciding the book to be too boring. This
oops, s/inciting/enticing/ (not quite the same thing... :-p)
> why anyone should care about Plan 9 anyway
Because: getting things right the first time around is much more of a
practical matter than you may at first realize.
Nick
Sorry. I really need to throw away this mobile phone and NOT
accidentally hit send in gmail basic.
On 10/25/10, Nick LaForge wrote:
> On 10/25/10, Joseph Stewart wrote:
>> Dave,
>>
>> The way I see this is two reasonable people working a misunderstanding
>
On 10/25/10, Joseph Stewart wrote:
> Dave,
>
> The way I see this is two reasonable people working a misunderstanding out.
> There are many contemporary examples of endless mud-slinging with no real
> concern for solving problems or coming to a reasonable conclusion.
>
> Regards,
>
> -joe
>
> On M
What a great page!
(I see that it mentions 'urjtag' near the end, which I'd encountered
in trying flash my Altera with an ordinary parallel port. It has lots
code for many disparate devices in cvs, including mine, the EP2C8.)
Nick
On 11/2/10, Bakul Shah wrote:
> Probably an overkill but this w
Beagleboard's ethernet hogs the usb bus! Gumstix has a proper ethernet.
Nick
On 11/2/10, Jacob Todd wrote:
> Iirc, at iwp9 geoff said in so many words that the beagleboard was having
> problems with undocumented..stuff. The video is on livestream.com/iwp9 if
> you want to watch it.
>
I got this:
http://www.amazon.com/Syba-SD-CM-UAUD-Adapter-C-Media-Chipset/dp/B001MSS6CS
Haven't tried too hard to get 9 to use it, but it's usb and linux has
the code too. Audio quality is high, that is until you plug in a mic
and line-in and line-out signals get mixed.
Btw John, I just got tha
>> As far as I know, there isn't yet a good, inexpensive, well-documented
>> ARM system.
> pick any two! ;-)
"Between two evils, choose neither, between two goods, choose both."
-- Tryon Edwards
A nice quote from a nice book on distributed systems [*] Need I quote
another distributed systems e
> A honest question: what is the rationale for merging functionality of make and
> shell into one?
Use your imagination
Nick
'Summer of code' for high school students?
Frankly, looking at its phrasing, it just looks like open-outsourcing
on a whole new level.
Nick
On 11/5/10, Jacob Todd wrote:
> Code-in? Could you elaborate?
> On Nov 5, 2010 1:22 PM, "EBo" wrote:
>> Google just announced a code-in. Is Plan9 particip
> i don't think that's accurate. the tasks need to
> be small enough and easy enough for a 12-17 year old
> student to resonably get one done in a week. it would be
> much easier to just do these tasks oneself than to even
> write up the task, let alone walk a student through the
> problem-solvin
I'm curious: do you plan on executing the output of 8c and 8l in an
environment as strange as one the you are building in? You could try
building only programs and then try executing those, i.e., by using
one of
http://www.chunder.com/plan9/9ee.html
http://swtch.com/9vx/
If you just want an x86
I find my 600e to be very fast with Plan 9.
*ducks*
On 1/15/11, Jacob Todd wrote:
> Check the wiki page 'supported hardware.' There's at least one thinkpad on
> the list.
>
> drivers for a few USB audio devices, but that's basically
> it. If you have neither, you'll have to write the driver yourself.
John,
You asked about this here:
http://9fans.net/archive/2010/10/464
Did you ever settle on a usb audio device yourself? I'll try to get
mine to work.
Should there
> afaik, there is a single usb audio device driver.
usb/audio works well, I just plugged in this ($5 plus shipping)
http://www.amazon.com/Syba-SD-CM-UAUD-Adapter-C-Media-Chipset/dp/B001MSS6CS
and it sounds great.
Nick
t; volume should work fine.
>
> On Tuesday, January 18, 2011, John Floren wrote:
>> At Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:35:43 -0500,
>> Nick LaForge wrote:
>>>
>>> > afaik, there is a single usb audio device driver.
>>>
>>> usb/audio works well, I just pl
> You might take a look at the Beagle Boards. They're OMAP-based and
> completely open source hardware. So, if you feel up to it, you can tack
> on pretty much anything you like.
Except high throughput peripherals like video.
Cortex A8 based SoCs found in the Gumstix Overo and the Beagleboard
o
I mean 'Pandaboard'.
Nick
On 1/27/11, Nick LaForge wrote:
>> You might take a look at the Beagle Boards. They're OMAP-based and
>> completely open source hardware. So, if you feel up to it, you can tack
>> on pretty much anything you like.
>
> Except
The Armada 168 does do WUXGA (1920x1200), so don't bother with that TI
Pandaboard, especially since TI still thinks it's okay to implement
ethernet using the usb bus.
It is kind of a bummer that omap based boards like Gumstix don't
include GBe, though the feature is admittedly superflous on a SoC
Dyslexia and confirmation bias. Wikipedia says I have source amnesia.
I do remember reading about the thing, but only that.
However nice it may be, I can't justify buying yet another N900-parity SBC.
Nick
On 2/1/11, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote:
>
> On 27 Jan 2011, at 8:50 pm, N
I hope it won't seem rude to suggest it, but the go-nuts list is the
optimum place for your specific concerns. The Go authors read it and
are very conscientious in responding to serious questions.
The Go authors did express confidence that GC performance could
eventually be made competitive, alth
"BCPL makes C look like a very high-level language and provides
absolutely no type checking or run-time support."
B. Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, 1994
"C++ was designed to be used in a rather traditional compilation and
run-time environment, the C programming environment on the U
> me wonders what ever happened to Hans...
Is that really necessary? I'm guessing it was intended as a joke.
Back in the 10th grade I spent a few months running a Reiser4 linux
root. It was kind of a piece of junk, frequently locking up and
giving inconsistent performance. C.f.
http://en.wikip
Kudos to the involved researchers for valuing such public involvement. :-)
Performance numbers immediately come to mind considering the nature of
the work. I know Ron's past talks considered bottleneck analysis, but
for those of us not running such large machines it is probably
necessary to read
Since you're on Ubuntu, why don't you start learning the ropes of the
Plan 9 programming environment by compiling/running 9vx on Ubuntu and
then hitting the papers? That way you can easily continue to use
Mozilla and invest minimal time before being able to actually get
something out of Plan 9 (yo
O rinnovarsi o perire
http://books.google.com/books?id=n_p0TmPHIJwC&pg=PA166&q=O%20rinnovarsi%20o%20perire
Anyway, I guess you're pissed that you have to use Hg and install
Python? Sorry, but Plan 9 can't reinvent the wheel in 2011.
Just consider how MIT dropped Scheme for Python in intro cours
Hey Erik,
I thought you'd said you didn't read Slashdot!
On 9/17/11, erik quanstrom wrote:
> hot grits!
>
> - erik
>
>
> wut
http://movie.subtitlr.com/subtitle/show/94536#line121
> It is so sad that the people most responsible for the key software
> technologies are almost unheard of by the general public, and most
> credit seems to be given to people that jump on the bandwagon much
> later..
> If there was a Nobel prize for software, dmr would have been one of
> the top o
Are you certain you want to use Lex? If no, you may like this
fascinating and instructive lecture by Rob Pike, which solves a lexing
problem using Golang: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxaD_trXwRE
If you have "The Unix Programming Environment" handy, you will also
find a lucid tutorial of Lex an
On Windows, I often want to plop a single file into some admin-owned
directory. E.g., I have +rx perms but not write, and some
admin-installed program insists on writing to or reading/executing a
plugin of mine in its own u-w directory. Has anybody used something
like bind on Windows? I found th
(should have said o-w and not u-w)
On 4/1/12, Nick LaForge wrote:
> On Windows, I often want to plop a single file into some admin-owned
> directory. E.g., I have +rx perms but not write, and some
> admin-installed program insists on writing to or reading/executing a
> plugin of min
Thanks; it's for my own convenience and not for others, so
certificates aren't an issue.
On 4/1/12, Aram Hăvărneanu wrote:
> When I was writing Windows file systems for living, I played with the
> Dokan library. Played is a very good word, it's a toy, at best. And
> maybe even that's an overstate
> sadly, the 10/100 ethernet is provided through a flakey usb hub
I think the 'cheap arm dev board' bandwagon will always suffer in this
regard, since the phones these SoCs were designed for don't even come
close to needing gbe
On 6/11/12, Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan wrote:
> what about teg2 for
somebody with actual experience.
On 6/11/12, John Floren wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Nick LaForge
> wrote:
>>> sadly, the 10/100 ethernet is provided through a flakey usb hub
>>
>> I think the 'cheap arm dev board' bandwagon will always s
huh. I guess there was a recent machine with sata and GbE and a
decent cpu/ram (tegra 2/1GB). $200. I'm still a little hesitant
about Nvidia, but to avoid further damaging relations with processor
designers I'll defer to Torvalds' statement on the matter from
Thursday in Finland.
-Nick
Sent fr
Oh yeah, already a comment about the GUI 'sucking'! A bit more
fortitude is in order, right? Even if the status quo is to be a WIMP?
Regardless, it takes a lazy dilettante to complain in this manner
about a research system (an incredibly malleable one, to boot). It
also seems that rio's simplic
Speak of the devil
"Good artists copy, great artists steal."
-Pablo Picasso^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HSteven
Jobs^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HSamsung Ltd.(?)
This message: -some blogger^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HNick LaForge
Typos by me. Sent from my meEgo (alphabet button invention included).
(Don'
Plan 9 was (and perhaps always will be?) ahead of it's time. In
addition, though, it's really the minimalist aesthetic that has made
it far outlast most other academic software. All that intelligent
thought really did work to drastically raise the signal to noise ratio
of every aspect of the syst
Content aside, the brevity of your message also supports the actual,
intended meaning of what I wrote.
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 02:25:27PM -0700, Nick LaForge wrote:
>>
>> As of now, you could probably make the
>> ana
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