nually
edit the dump file, which only works if I delete the "bad" +Errors
window's tag and all windows and tags after it.
If this is a known problem, or you would like a bug report, would
someone kindly direct me to (its record in) the appropriate
bug-tracking system?
Jason Catena
Applied fix locally, works like a champ. Thanks! Now I should
probably set up hg to get updates without patching it myself.
Jason Catena
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 23:46, Russ Cox wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Jason Catena wrote:
>> Applied fix locally, works like a champ. Thanks! Now I should
>> probably set up hg to get updates without patching it myself.
>
> If you downloaded the archive and ex
cal manual pages.
http://www.evernote.com/pub/catena/public#73edd473-f300-4e1f-991c-9876eb29dba0
Jason Catena
rrow things down if writes to the tag
file showed up faster than input from the display.
Jason Catena
switching wholly over to plan9port. Probably
its greatest advantage to me now is that it's small and compiles easy
to any platform I've tried: Linux, Solaris, even Cygwin. So I tend to
load it on machines I will be on only briefly, to avoid having to use
vi or emacs.
Jason Catena
> How far off topic are we now? Can we get away with carrying on? :)
Not unless you're wearing Spock ears.
ot;done" is an elusive illusion, so enlist
others throughout the process.
Jason Catena
e every large problem is a small problem struggling to get out.
> - niklaus wirth
> When in doubt, use brute force.
> - ken thompson
Agree, but these are off the point of when to release code, however
well-spoken and perceptive.
> - erik
Jason Catena
the data collected earlier, discarding
functions which completed in less than 4000 cycles, we just ran:
plots/createplot /amd64/9k8pf 4000 ./trace > plotme
and fed the input into gnuplot."
Jason Catena
he Library of Congress,
it would make a handsome down payment, useful
for testing the value of the answers and for smoking
out follow-on questions."
Jason Catena
plot driver I downloaded from the page of a guy at NASA. (I posted
a few recent simple examples, in the tufte-handout style, at
http://swtools.wordpress.com/papers/ . I plan to ask for a publishing
release for the really interesting ones now behind a corp firewall.)
> Thierry Laronde
Jason Catena
er constructions (on the BWK gibe that I
won't be smart enough to debug it later), and to describe how the code
segment interacts with others and maps to the problem domain.
Jason Catena
Rob explains the fonts and colors (inspired by Tufte, no less) a bit
in this reposted message, and mentions Renee French.
http://www.mail-archive.com/9f...@cse.psu.edu/msg13035.html
Jason Catena
"Much anger there is in him. Too much pride in his powers."
Jason Catena
> The more hosts, the less chance of it going missing.
In this spirit, newly mirrored at
https://files.getdropbox.com/u/502901/9.intro.pdf
Jason Catena
rated interface? Or is any
format other than text considered a red-headed stepchild to be
delegated to other programs in the few cases where it must be used?
Jason Catena
ight not actually
code the next line right away, but auto-indent to just the right place
for it means I have to go out of my way more often to get the cursor
to where I actually want it.
> Dave
Jason Catena
to
parentheses. In addition, I rely on design theory (esp. Tufte et al
on his web site) that reducing clutter aids comprehension, and
delimiters very much seem clutter to me.
Jason Catena
Real World Haskell ch4 pp71-72
>> do x <- foo
>> y <- bar
>>
>> the y <- bar must be directly under the x on the previous line or it's a
>> syntax error, and the error you get from GHC is "the last statement of a
do
>> construct must be an expression"
>
> Huh, so this Haskell syntax actually preven
esn't work well for you.
http://codereview.appspot.com/95076/diff/1/2
Jason Catena
would produce a more usable, less frustrating
filesystem than the former.
Jason Catena
real browser for the platform, how will Plan 9 participate in
the "cloud computing" (r)evolution? I suppose it would be enough to have a
Chromium port, if Chrome and the Chrome OS gain traction.
Jason Catena
e a non-browser
API (eg Twitter).
Jason Catena
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 04:48, C H Forsyth wrote:
> >I hope the services I want to use (will) have a non-browser API (eg
> Twitter).
>
> in fact, since a browser must ultimately send messages, it's not clear
> what a `browser API' would look like.
Many AJAX and image-map interfaces wouldn't m
To complicate the answer: there's an effort to make article and book styles
along the lines of Tufte's books. Sidenotes, Palatino and Bera Mono fonts
(I use Inconsolata for both paper code segments and in Acme), and shallow
sectioning without numbers.
http://code.google.com/p/tufte-lat
Sorry, didn't mean to imply one should vary from the conference's writ.
Jason Catena
sources from my home computer?
9fs sources
srv: dial tcp!sources.cs.bell-labs.com!9fs: unknown host
sources.cs.bell-labs.com
9fs: exit 1
Jason Catena
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 23:35, andrey mirtchovski wrote:
> Just checking: have you tried accessing it by IP address
> (204.178.31.8) rather than hostname? (this, of course, assumes that
> you've ruled out a bad ndb configuration as the reason).
>
traceroute can't get to that IP address, so I'm pr
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 14:36, root wrote:
> unsuscribe
>
>
I guess Unix isn't interested in Plan 9 anymore.
Jason Catena
And gets all the cleverest guys. Sometimes they're a bit full of
themselves, and they don't cruise the highways normally (they'd rather
teleport), but they know all the neatest party tricks.
Hi Geoff,
I would also like to request a directory in sources/contrib, to store
a stream wrapper around sam (ssam), a script which uses mk to
parallelize a command over a set of arguments (apply), a script to
port ksh/bash scripts to rc (torc), et cetera. Many thanks.
Jason Catena (jdc)
acme: highlight and execute "Dump /home/me/dump/whatever"
in shell: rum "acme -l /home/me/dump/whatever"
Jason Catena
y own a subsystem; and the master vets all code for
architectural coherence. These roles vary by code base: I'm
apprentice of Plan 9, master of a 10-year-old build system. I can
transfer some knowledge and skills, but still need to learn the
conventions and architecture before suggesting a
disk space free). Maybe I should
try hg when I'm not behind the firewall, to download the whole
distribution file-by-file.
Jason Catena
some
way) the path between the directory where you started acme and the
directory where you want the file.
Jason Catena
ume Run works similarly? That is, I can put Run in a directory's
tag, highlight a filename in that directory, then highlight a command
and apply it to Run with 2-1 to run the command on the file?
> Ruda
Thanks, I'm a happier acme user now.
Jason Catena
ighlighted, then
chord-1-and-release to execute the command.
Jason Catena
it will be
clear).
> thanks,
> Peter Canning
Jason Catena
gone and the eulogy was delivered
by Perl.")
Jason Catena
e shell interprets "CC9=gcc"
as setting a shell variable named CC9 to gcc, and -m32 as the name of
an executable file to run. For example:
; CC9='gcc -m32' echo $CC9
gcc -m32
In the shell, you have to use quotes when you have a space in a
variable's value. In makefiles you don't.
Jason Catena
ge, but
sometimes it's better just to write less, more stable code (eg xmonad
vs any C-based window manager).
Jason Catena
" without tedious framework implementations), maintainability
(typeclasses of parameters in utility functions means you don't write
different implementations of the same function for different types,
yet preserve type compatibility and checking), and reliability (pure
functions don't depend on state, so have fewer moving parts to go
wrong).
Jason Catena
e script called vary (not published yet) which
takes a sam script and another file, applies the sam script to the
file, saves it with a new name, and optionally executes it. So you
don't have to maintain many nearly-identical scripts. I should upload
vary to the same patch set soon, for r
cho $3 $4 doing that $6 $4 $2
Put that in bash's pipe and smoke it.
Jason Catena
n in a Scottish dialect on the other side of the
great vowel shift from Chaucer's middle English.
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=116217231&blogId=178646624
(Sorry for contributing to off-topic-ness.)
Jason Catena
er and for proving
its correctness. Such a verified compiler is useful in the
context of critical software and its formal verification: the
verification of the compiler guarantees that the safety properties
proved on the source code hold for the executable
compiled code as well.
> Tim Newsh
ult Lucida (there's no "bit" directory, so which
file actually defines the default euro.8.font plan9port-acme uses?),
but are not so small as palatino/latin1.6.font (7 & 8 get clipped).
Jason Catena
A quick edit frees acme from its "heavy grid prison", a la Tufte.
https://dl.getdropbox.com/u/502901/acmenogrid.jpg
Jason Catena
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 15:43, Jack Norton wrote:
> Jason Catena wrote:
>> A quick edit frees acme from its "heavy grid prison", a la Tufte.
>> https://dl.getdropbox.com/u/502901/acmenogrid.jpg
>
> How about no grid whatsoever (while you're at it)?
I believe
ount sources
(specifically, my directory) as a writable filesystem? I promise
diligent study, to understand what the commands do.
Jason Catena
annot touch `this': Permission denied
$ ls `namespace`
acme factotum plumb sources.cs.bell-labs.com
Jason Catena
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 02:44, Venkatesh Srinivas wrote:
> Hi,
>
> In order to construct an authenticated mount of sources, you will need
> to start factotum, use srv -
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 05:31, sqweek wrote:
> 2009/10/1 Ethan Grammatikidis :
>> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 04:50:40 -0500
>> Jason Catena wrote:
>>> $ ls -lad
>>> drwxrwxr-x 1 4294967294 4294967294 0 2009-09-30 23:11 .
>>
>> You have numbers for user and
/times$ sudo cp
/home/jdc/contrib/latin1.7a.font .
Oct 1 21:52:45.219 read bad packet from 6
n=62 nn=0
cp: cannot create regular file `./latin1.7a.font': Connection reset by peer
Jason Catena
`./latin1.7a.font': Connection reset by peer
Jason Catena
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 22:11, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> My test case tries to copy a file over top of one that already exists.
>> In this case, the bug decided to flit right by the check at
>> convM2S.c:216,217.
>
> i
her names. (My first thought was the suffix 0. You might want to
avoid the prefix g.)
> John Stalker
Jason Catena
the same without commerce with the wild,
without incorporation of new ideas, it becomes a stagnant and hostile
exercise in standards-keeping.
> - erik
Jason Catena
The pupils of the Tendai school used to study meditation before Zen
entered Japan. Four of them who were intimate friends promised one
another to observe seven days of silence.
On the first day all were silent. Their meditation had begun
auspiciously, but when night came and the oil lamps were gro
for passing output along than backtick within backtick within
backtick, and (3) pipes commonly pass multiple lines, not just
separated fields.
> John Stalker
Jason Catena
>> I know you said you bought yours for $10, but why is the book $101.60 in
>> the first place?
>>
>> Jake Todd
>
> Why is any college textbook ridiculously priced?
Supposedly captive audience, and a monopoly purveyor. Usually only
the university bookstore sells the latest edition, which professo
"we'll post an update here when actual source code produced during
this year's Google Summer of Code has been made available on project
hosting on Google Code."
http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/08/wrapping-our-fifth-google-summer-of.html
Some mentoring orgs already posted results.
http
ild and test before integration.
> Sam
Jason Catena
have to reload the whole ruleset if
you change something.
> Dave Eckhardt
Jason Catena
X, let alone add in the extra ones of
egrep.
Take all this with a grain of salt, because I don't speak for any
distribution. :)
> Dimitry Golubovsky
Jason Catena
tool uses them
and ignores them. From what's been described here autoconf should not
have the expectation that it gets -i, just to ignore it. For ape
that's fine, but from what I've had rejected I believe the core of
plan9 is held to a higher standard.
> Dmitry
Jason Catena
ppspot.com/95076/diff/9038/10015) and runs the
result. For configure, it would be called something like
vary -x plan9port.sam configure --configure-opt
which would create a new variation of the configure script, called
configure.plan9port, and run it.
> Tim Newsham
Jason Catena
the first uppercases the entire
pattern space, and (2b) the second refers to line 3 of the entire
file, not line 3 of the pattern space.
> -Steve
Jason Catena
> Don't make me use MS Project, please...
This web page offers seven years of curated discussion on this (off-)topic.
http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=76&topic_id=1&topic=
> -Steve
Jason Catena
touch $tmp
}
chmod +wx $tmp
echo $tmp
Jason Catena
charclass
Description: Binary data
sult I got in practice. The first run had 0.02
user time. This seems negligible to me, so I'm not yet pushing its
performance boundaries with this string (lots of vowels and other
characters with bigger classes) on this data set (a collection of
notes largely cut-and-pasted from the web).
> - erik
Jason Catena
signal: sys: segmentation violation
> - erik
Jason Catena
on the merits. If you only think
you understand, and are actually persuaded by me, then we both may
make a bad decision, and my pitch derailed both of us.
> -Steve
Jason Catena
.
I use dc for all of my (especially scripted) calculating needs.
I would like to use Mail instead of Outlook, if like nmh I can pull
files from an Exchange server. I haven't really looked into this yet,
but it could be a huge win.
I know all this barely scratches the surface of what plan9(port) can do.
Jason Catena
or directory
mail is indeed not in the namespace directory. These files are present.
/tmp/ns.jdc.192.168.1.102:0/acme
/tmp/ns.jdc.192.168.1.102:0/factotum
/tmp/ns.jdc.192.168.1.102:0/plumb
What should I run to make it present? Does mailfs mislead me by
saying it succeeded?
Jason Catena
On
If looking through code:
du -a . | xargs g pattern >[2]/dev/null
If looking through all files:
du -a . | xargs grep -n foo >[2]/dev/null
The -n is to be friendly with acme.
This presumes you have (at least a cheap knockoff of) xargs.
Recursively list only files; grep them with g to get full path,
filename, and line number; protect against John's semicolon trick by
quoting each file.
walk -f | sed 's,^,g '^$1^' '',;s,$,'',' | rc
walk apparently completely omits from its output files with a
single-quote in their names, and does
a bit of information) and composability of keywords (just
string a few grep and grep -v after the nb command).
Jason Catena
leim...@gmail.com:
> r...@swtch.com:
>> What we need is an OS port of Plan 9 to Go that can run hosted on another OS
>> or natively.
> InfernGo?
Seconded, or at least Acme SAC-n-Go. I'd rather use Go than Limbo,
and I'd much rather only compile Go executables once.
Jason Catena
t line
/(.+0+/ matches blocks of text separated by blank lines
/text/+-p highlight the lines containing text
> mailsend selection as Email to
x/0 a/0 double space selection
x/^/ .,/0d strip C comments from selection
Edit ,x[a-zA-Z]+/{
g/fred/ v/./ c/jim/
g/jim/ v/.
There is a computer science concept analogous to what Zerox does. "Pass
argument by reference" also provides a look-in to a point in memory without
copying it. So if you want to name it something else, try changing it to
CpRef.
and better alternatives are usually available.
We've drifted quite a bit from the subject line.
Jason Catena
ent way files are made with make tools, so I'm not sure what
was gained by bundling it into the shell.
Of course, the suggested feature does slow down the shell when it
encounters a file that does not exist, since it has to scan through
its rules for a possible creation rule, rather than just exit with an
error.
Jason Catena
Where can I find the Watch command Russ showed in the Acme video? It
doesn't seem to be in Inferno, in plan9port as far as I could tell, or
noted in the contrib index.
Or is it left as an exercise for the viewer? ;)
Jason Catena
> [Mk] only knows about the rules you give it. It does not
> understand the real dependencies in your software.
> Also, because of this you tend to give it general rules
> which are not always right.
I thirk this might be a good place to mention that I'm
working on a build tool which, in effect, e
In part to substitute issues with time with issues with checksums, I am
writing a build tool for Inferno loosely inspired by djb's redo. I think
it deals nicely with some of the problems of make/mk tools: it handles
multiple outputs, treats shell variables as /env files for dependencies,
and uses
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