Re: [9fans] [9front] mouse handling code on amd64

2025-04-01 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2025/04/01 10:03, Roman Belenov wrote: But as far as I understand aux/kbdfs is a separate user mode binary, the kernel is not modified. There are a few binary executables included in the loaded kernel, necessary during booting. A copy of aux/kbdfs may well be one of those. You'll be able t

Re: [9fans] NIX this morning

2025-04-01 Thread Wes Kussmaul
Dave, over the last century a rapidly increasing number of jobs that keep peoples' noses on their desks and away from the truly beneficial state you describe are make-work jobs. People fear algorithms replacing meaningful work in the future without realizing that much of it has already happe

Re: [9fans] NIX this morning

2025-04-01 Thread Dave Lukes via 9fans
This is definitely off-topic and relatively long, for which I apologise in advance, but since it might be useful and I can speak about it from experience, I will ... I highly recommend retirement, most of all because it frees your mind; it also frees your time, but that will get eaten up by th

Re: [9fans] [9front] mouse handling code on amd64

2025-04-01 Thread Roman Belenov
But as far as I understand aux/kbdfs is a separate user mode binary, the kernel is not modified. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T41a0e496bba0c957-M5be57d8eef2bdebdbfed5036 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/grou

Re: [9fans] [9front] mouse handling code on amd64

2025-04-01 Thread cinap_lenrek
As others said, aux/kbdfs gets included in the kernel-image in a read-only ram file-system so that the system can prompt you for your root-filesystem and user-name on boot. This is also true for alot of other file-servers like nusb/usbd, gefs... So you need to also "mk install" the kernel and the

Re: [9fans] [9front] mouse handling code on amd64

2025-04-01 Thread Roman Belenov
The code moved from the kernel to userspace to be included in special filesystem inside kernel image? It's April 1st, right? Seriously - I see that it's similar to initrd in Linux and rebuilding the kernel works, so now I can use 9front with touchpad with more comfort (there are physical button

[9fans] Re: 9Front and The Future of Platform Support

2025-04-01 Thread Roman Belenov
Why not Alpha? Or it's never-released-for-some-reason successor Iota? -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T82bf787acede8ea1-M4e718e07c68a925214363682 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] Re: 9Front and The Future of Platform Support

2025-04-01 Thread Roman Belenov
Yes, Alpha was not a good name; to fix the issue, they had plan B (Beta), plan 3 (Gamma) to make it even better, and eventually Iota was supposed to be the last word in naming and CPU design, but something went wrong... -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9

Re: [9fans] Re: IWP9 trip

2025-04-01 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
There isn't an "official hotel", but at least two of us are staying at Hôtel Paris Gambetta. It's a 40-50 minute walk or 20 minute by Metro from CNAM. On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 9:02 AM wrote: > > Quoth Shawn Rutledge : > > > On Mar 9, 2025, at 13:27, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > > > > > > So who’s plan

Re: [9fans] Re: 9Front and The Future of Platform Support

2025-04-01 Thread Roberto E. Vargas Caballero
On Tue, Apr 01, 2025 at 12:33:47PM -0400, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > Quoth Roman Belenov : > > Why not Alpha? Or it's never-released-for-some-reason successor Iota? > > Too niche, obviously. I have an alpha computer! No alpha support no hackathon!! -

Re: [9fans] Tailscale on Plan 9

2025-04-01 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
I noticed that right away! I thought it was my oversized ego making me see things; but there it was in print "Skip"! On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 10:53 AM Brad Fitzpatrick wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 10:15 AM Skip Tavakkolian > wrote: >> >> I'll be honest, this made me cry a little. >> >> The q

Re: [9fans] Re: 9Front and The Future of Platform Support

2025-04-01 Thread ori
Quoth Roman Belenov : > Why not Alpha? Or it's never-released-for-some-reason successor Iota? Too niche, obviously. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T82bf787acede8ea1-Meb9cd5c8c415420c60494845 Delivery options: https://9f

Re: [9fans] Tailscale on Plan 9

2025-04-01 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
I'll be honest, this made me cry a little. The quality and polish, and everything works! Almost too good :D On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 8:35 AM wrote: > > Skip asked me to make Tailscale work on Plan 9. > > I tried, but ran into problems so I asked Russ for some help. Together, we > just got it all

Re: [9fans] git issues

2025-04-01 Thread Roman Belenov
Thank you, that did the trick! "git/merge front" also works now. However, "git/diff -c front" produces huge diffs, looks like front is not interpreted as a branch name. How to compare two branches with 9front git? -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.t

Re: [9fans] Re: IWP9 trip

2025-04-01 Thread Charles Forsyth
> > It's a 40-50 minute walk or 20 minute by Metro there's also Vélib On Tue, 1 Apr 2025 at 23:22, Charles Forsyth wrote: > I'm in Monmartre as usual, this time in a garret > > On Tue, 1 Apr 2025 at 22:25, Skip Tavakkolian > wrote: > >> There isn't an "official hotel", but at least two of us

Re: [9fans] Acme event file and keyboard

2025-04-01 Thread Mathieu Bivert
1/ opening the event file disables menu management. one can write 'menu' to ctl (should still be undocumented) to re-enable it. 2/ xfideventwrite() (src/cmd/acme/xfid.c) doesn't seem to handle "keyboard insert" events (e.g. "KI275 275 0 1 e"; third integers is a flag; acme(4) only describes writin

Re: [9fans] Re: 9Front and The Future of Platform Support

2025-04-01 Thread Brian L. Stuart
On Tue, Apr 01, 2025 at 10:59:06PM +0200, Roberto E. Vargas Caballero wrote: > On Tue, Apr 01, 2025 at 12:33:47PM -0400, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > > Quoth Roman Belenov : > > > Why not Alpha? Or it's never-released-for-some-reason successor Iota? > > > > Too niche, obviously. > > I have an alp

Re: [9fans] Re: IWP9 trip

2025-04-01 Thread Charles Forsyth
I'm in Monmartre as usual, this time in a garret On Tue, 1 Apr 2025 at 22:25, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > There isn't an "official hotel", but at least two of us are staying at > Hôtel Paris Gambetta. It's a 40-50 minute walk or 20 minute by Metro > from CNAM. > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 9:02 AM

Re: [9fans] Re: 9Front and The Future of Platform Support

2025-04-01 Thread Dan Cross
On Tue, Apr 1, 2025, 6:24 PM Brian L. Stuart wrote: > On Tue, Apr 01, 2025 at 10:59:06PM +0200, Roberto E. Vargas Caballero > wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 01, 2025 at 12:33:47PM -0400, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > > > Quoth Roman Belenov : > > > > Why not Alpha? Or it's never-released-for-some-reason s

Re: [9fans] [9front] mouse handling code on amd64

2025-04-01 Thread Roman Belenov
UPD Learned about readstr and added reading of the current state -  https://okturing.com/src/24387/body -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T41a0e496bba0c957-M40c335a5462c0ebe8c2e4023 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.co

[9fans] 9Front and The Future of Platform Support

2025-04-01 Thread ori
As we consider the hardware-based future of 9front, we have come to the conclusion that our current situation is unsustainable. When we consider the declining build quality of modern thinkpads, the 9front disorganization committee has reevaluated the common approach how to move forward, and believe

[9fans] git issues

2025-04-01 Thread Roman Belenov
Hello, I have some issues with git (after bind -ac /dist/plan9front) 1.git/diff -s produces a lot of messages like R lib/1oct1993/0310.ms What are these files? Is it possible to get rid of it? 2. I've created new branch "local", made some changes in /sys/src and committed them. I had no error

Re: [9fans] Tailscale on Plan 9

2025-04-01 Thread Jacob Moody
On 4/1/25 10:28, b...@danga.com wrote: > Skip asked me to make Tailscale work on Plan 9. > > I tried, but ran into problems so I asked Russ for some help. Together, we > just got it all mostly working. > > Blog post 1 of 2 is now at  > https://tailscale.com/blog/tailscale-enterprise-plan-9-suppo

Re: [9fans] Tailscale on Plan 9

2025-04-01 Thread ron minnich
Brad, you can bind multiple, separate instances of the tcp stack to individual interfaces as needed. You can have an entire tcp stack rooted at, e.g., /net.alt; this was done at Bell Labs and it's why plan 9 never needed NAT. /net.alt was used for "outside the labs" traffic. We also did this on th

Re: [9fans] Re: 9Front and The Future of Platform Support

2025-04-01 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
Not sure about Iota, but Alpha as an architecture name is a likely source of confusion that would be nice to avoid. How easy to mistake an alpha release as a release for Alpha?  Not to metion alpha releases for Alpha... It makes me wonder what the conversations would be like if the company A

[9fans] Tailscale on Plan 9

2025-04-01 Thread brad
Skip asked me to make Tailscale work on Plan 9. I tried, but ran into problems so I asked Russ for some help. Together, we just got it all mostly working. Blog post 1 of 2 is now at  https://tailscale.com/blog/tailscale-enterprise-plan-9-support The followup blog post tomorrow will go into deta