Re: [9fans] Uriel

2012-10-17 Thread og . hartmann
Am Sonntag, 14. Oktober 2012 21:56:03 UTC+2 schrieb Julius Schmidt: > I am very sorry to inform you that uriel has passed away recently. > > > > He will be missed. I guess he was a really inspiring person for many programmers out there - even if many of these people haven't been in direct cont

Re: [9fans] 16:9 display and freeze

2012-10-17 Thread tlaronde
In answer to the description of my problems with display and a hard freeze: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 12:58:03AM -0400, Matthew Veety wrote: > On 10/16/2012 8:07 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > > > >no. i used a 16:9 monitor for a short while. no ill effects. other than > >an ugly picture. > > > >- e

Re: [9fans] 16:9 display and freeze

2012-10-17 Thread erik quanstrom
> > This sounds more like a hardware problem in your machine (not display) > > than a bug in Plan 9. Plan 9 crashing hard shouldn't do anything to the > > bios (unless it did something *really* nasty in /dev/realmode, but I > > can't think of anything that would trash the bios). > > Thanks to b

Re: [9fans] 16:9 display and freeze

2012-10-17 Thread tlaronde
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 06:53:17AM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: > > i would recommend using aux/realemu. it provides a measure of safety > when doing mode setting. it could be that the vesa bios does go off > into the woods when it detects a 16:9 monitor. the vesa bios has access > to this info

Re: [9fans] I found this discussion pretty funny

2012-10-17 Thread erik quanstrom
> "Yes, some old-timers could argue that original UNIX didn't have sockets, > and that the BSD interface is ugly and an abomination and that it _should_ > have been a namespace thing, but that argument falls flat on its face when > you realize that the "pipe()" system call _was_ in original UNIX, a

Re: [9fans] I found this discussion pretty funny

2012-10-17 Thread dexen deVries
On Wednesday 17 of October 2012 06:40:45 ron minnich wrote: > get to the part about why it's so great that pipe is a system call, > not a device. > > This is the sort of back-and-forth that reminds me why I can't quite > give up on plan 9 ... > > http://yarchive.net/comp/linux/everything_is_file.

Re: [9fans] I found this discussion pretty funny

2012-10-17 Thread cinap_lenrek
whats the issue? plan9 has a syscall to create anonymous pipes: #define PIPE21 -- cinap

Re: [9fans] I found this discussion pretty funny

2012-10-17 Thread tlaronde
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 06:40:45AM -0700, ron minnich wrote: > get to the part about why it's so great that pipe is a system call, > not a device. > > This is the sort of back-and-forth that reminds me why I can't quite > give up on plan 9 ... > > http://yarchive.net/comp/linux/everything_is_file

Re: [9fans] I found this discussion pretty funny

2012-10-17 Thread cinap_lenrek
yeah, like mount... its files all the way down :) linux is like windows... everything is a HANDL^Wfiledescriptor -- cinap

Re: [9fans] I found this discussion pretty funny

2012-10-17 Thread Bakul Shah
On Oct 17, 2012, at 6:48 AM, dexen deVries wrote: > a technical and organizational problem: back then Linux' /dev consisted of > special files held on drive, its MAJOR/MINOR schema* getting dangerously > cramped. > > those days Linux' /dev is usually mounted at boot and maintained by kernel, >

Re: [9fans] I found this discussion pretty funny

2012-10-17 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
did you notice the discussion was from this century? surprising! On Oct 17, 2012, at 8:28 PM, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: > yeah, like mount... its files all the way down :) > > linux is like windows... everything is a HANDL^Wfiledescriptor > > -- > cinap

[9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-17 Thread Aharon Robbins
This says a lot, rather nicely: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html Having lived through the Unix wars of the 80s and 90s, it's the same story all over again. (Or maybe the story never ended. Either way, the users are the ones who lost out.) Arnold

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-17 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings comrades. On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:05:08 +0200 Aharon Robbins wrote: > This says a lot, rather nicely: > > http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html > > Having lived through the Unix wars of the 80s and 90s, it's the same > story all over again. The question is rather: Wha

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-17 Thread Rodrigo Miranda
Cel. Mustard With the candlestick In the Dining Room Rodrigo Miranda ``The zen master hit me in the head. I told him: "If you keep hitting me in the head, I won't be able to learn a thing!" He hit me again. In the head.ยดยด (Rodrigo Miranda) On Wed, Oct 17, 201

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-17 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 09:49:41PM +0200, Aharon Robbins wrote: > This says a lot, rather nicely: > > http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html > The guy whose entire career has been spent cloning DOS and Windows software claims that Linux sucks because it's not enough like Windows?

Re: [9fans] Uriel

2012-10-17 Thread Rob Pike
Does anyone know what happened? -rob

Re: [9fans] Uriel

2012-10-17 Thread sl
> Does anyone know what happened? After suffering for some time, Uriel took his own life. -sl

Re: [9fans] Uriel

2012-10-17 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 09:08:41AM +1100, Rob Pike wrote: > Does anyone know what happened? > > -rob > Yes.

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-17 Thread erik quanstrom
> The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop? poor special effects? - erik

Re: [9fans] I found this discussion pretty funny

2012-10-17 Thread erik quanstrom
> You should explore /sys on Linux. They've embraced namespaces in a major way. > what am i missing. linux' /sys is just a synthetic filesystem. where do you see this exploring the idea of namespace? - erik

Re: [9fans] I found this discussion pretty funny

2012-10-17 Thread Bakul Shah
On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 20:35:12 EDT erik quanstrom wrote: > > You should explore /sys on Linux. They've embraced namespaces in a major > > way. > > what am i missing. linux' /sys is just a synthetic filesystem. where do you > see this exploring the idea of namespace? Oops. s/namespace/syntheti