Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-06-11 Thread Balwinder S Dheeman
On 06/10/2012 12:01 PM, andrey mirtchovski wrote: I like the "or MIME" part. ;) i forgot to include a reference: http://mail.9fans.net/listinfo/9fans On above said page, it would be nice to have the following as active/click-able links: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/ http://plan9.bell-l

Re: [9fans] local apic unreadable?

2012-06-11 Thread Richard Miller
OK, solved. This motherboard (or bios) gives the io apic an id of 0, same as the boot processor's local apic. The unexpected aliasing causes the lapic (virtual) address to be overwritten by the ioapic address, so the lapic timer code is looking in the wrong place for its registers. This was actu

Re: [9fans] local apic unreadable?

2012-06-11 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon Jun 11 07:02:26 EDT 2012, 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: > OK, solved. This motherboard (or bios) gives the io apic an id of 0, > same as the boot processor's local apic. The unexpected aliasing > causes the lapic (virtual) address to be overwritten by the ioapic > address, so the lapic timer c

Re: [9fans] Mini PCs

2012-06-11 Thread Richard Miller
> * Raspberry Pi At least two 9fans are in the order queue for one of these.

Re: [9fans] Mini PCs

2012-06-11 Thread Matthew Veety
On Jun 11, 2012 10:03 AM, "Richard Miller" <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: > > > * Raspberry Pi > > At least two 9fans are in the order queue for one of these. > > I think three including me actually. The drivers factor might only make it a good cpu server methinks. I would totally love one as a termin

Re: [9fans] Mini PCs

2012-06-11 Thread erik quanstrom
> I think three including me actually. The drivers factor might only make it > a good cpu server methinks. I would totally love one as a terminal though. sadly, the 10/100 ethernet is provided through a flakey usb hub (http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=7380) for me, that's th

Re: [9fans] Mini PCs

2012-06-11 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:19:20 -0400 Comeau At9Fans wrote: > Ok, so, unless I was asleep at the wheel following these > discussions, there's been a few "mini PCs" to come about lately: > > * Raspberry Pi > * Cotton Candy > * Mele A1000 > * MK802 > > We have a small number of the latter (MK802 run

Re: [9fans] Mini PCs

2012-06-11 Thread Winston Weinert
On Sun, 2012-06-10 at 18:19 -0400, Comeau At9Fans wrote: > * Raspberry Pi > * Cotton Candy > * Mele A1000 > * MK802 Some other _pricier_ products to consider (and a larger variety of integrated components): * Beagleboard * Beaglebone * Pandaboard * Pico-ITX formfactor x86 motherboard

[9fans] dejavu sans

2012-06-11 Thread andrey mirtchovski
looking for more pleasing fonts I came across dejavu which are downloadable from http://dejavu-fonts.org/wiki/Download ttf2subf deals with them relatively well in antialiased mode and relatively badly in mono mode, but the results for antialiased are good enough to share, i think: dejavusans, siz

Re: [9fans] Mini PCs

2012-06-11 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Winston Weinert wrote: > On Sun, 2012-06-10 at 18:19 -0400, Comeau At9Fans wrote: >> * Raspberry Pi >> * Cotton Candy >> * Mele A1000 >> * MK802 > > Some other _pricier_ products to consider (and a larger variety of > integrated components): > * Beagleboard > * Bea

Re: [9fans] Mini PCs

2012-06-11 Thread Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan
what about teg2 for which geoff announced support recently? btw, i have two raspberry pi at home now. i would like to run plan9 and inferno (at least emu) on it as soon as possible. dharani On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:07 PM, John Floren wrote: > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Winston Weinert w

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

2012-06-11 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon Jun 11 17:07:15 EDT 2012, mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: > looking for more pleasing fonts I came across dejavu which are > downloadable from http://dejavu-fonts.org/wiki/Download > [...] > > coverage is so-so, but there are latin/greek/cyrillic ttfs available > too. i didn't try them out.

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

2012-06-11 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:16 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > On Mon Jun 11 17:07:15 EDT 2012, mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: >> looking for more pleasing fonts I came across dejavu which are >> downloadable from http://dejavu-fonts.org/wiki/Download >> > [...] >> >> coverage is so-so, but there are lati

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

2012-06-11 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> it really is a trick finding decent coverage and a good looking font. > good coverage seems to be more important as folks assume unicode. unicover.txt has a detailed description of the coverage. langcover.txt notes the languages covered. it seems to be better than what I expected. is libdraw ab

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

2012-06-11 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon Jun 11 17:37:43 EDT 2012, mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: > > it really is a trick finding decent coverage and a good looking font. > > good coverage seems to be more important as folks assume unicode. > > unicover.txt has a detailed description of the coverage. langcover.txt > notes the langu

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

2012-06-11 Thread erik quanstrom
> Vera (I think from your contrib) works very well for me, I find that > it looks good and has good enough coverage for all my uses. ah, great. > The biggest challenge with Plan 9 fonts is getting the heights right; > often converted ttfs will have the bottom of "g" and a lot of the > non-ASCII c

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

2012-06-11 Thread sl
> Vera (I think from your contrib) works very well for me, I find that > it looks good and has good enough coverage for all my uses. I loved vera until I switched from drawterm to native. Lately, lucidasans is very comfortable. -sl

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

2012-06-11 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> The biggest challenge with Plan 9 fonts is getting the heights right; > often converted ttfs will have the bottom of "g" and a lot of the > non-ASCII characters cut off at either top or bottom. that's why I try to stay in the very narrow band of sizes 13 and 14 :) bdf2subf did a much better job

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

2012-06-11 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon Jun 11 17:58:28 EDT 2012, s...@9front.org wrote: > > Vera (I think from your contrib) works very well for me, I find that > > it looks good and has good enough coverage for all my uses. > > I loved vera until I switched from drawterm to native. Lately, > lucidasans is very comfortable. why

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

2012-06-11 Thread erik quanstrom
> that's why I try to stay in the very narrow band of sizes 13 and 14 :) > bdf2subf did a much better job at properly sizing fonts. > > now that you've made me look, there's a magic constant used for sizing > in main.c:611 of freetype-plan9 (ttf2subf). the constant 64 works well > for sizes 13-14

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

2012-06-11 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 17:58:39 -0400 erik quanstrom wrote: > On Mon Jun 11 17:58:28 EDT 2012, s...@9front.org wrote: > > > Vera (I think from your contrib) works very well for me, I find that > > > it looks good and has good enough coverage for all my uses. > > > > I loved vera until I switched fr

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

2012-06-11 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> i don't think it's a sizing thing.  i think ttf2subf is somehow getting > the baseline wrong for letters like Â.  (try cyberbit even at 14.) I don't see height issues with cyberbit (at "magic" constant of 64 even) but I am seeing width issues, especially the '0', which seems to always be chopped

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

2012-06-11 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> http://mirtchovski.com/screenshots/cyberbit-erik2.png this was generated with FT_Set_Char_Size(font.face, font.size*72, font.size * 64, 72, 72); according to the documentation, the previous value of 0 defaults to the height, which is font.size*64...

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

2012-06-11 Thread sl
>> I loved vera until I switched from drawterm to native. Lately, >> lucidasans is very comfortable. > > why would native make a difference? In native, I no longer benefit from X11's rendering. Here, blurry fonts look blurry. -sl

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

2012-06-11 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon Jun 11 18:36:04 EDT 2012, mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: > > i don't think it's a sizing thing.  i think ttf2subf is somehow getting > > the baseline wrong for letters like Â.  (try cyberbit even at 14.) > > I don't see height issues with cyberbit (at "magic" constant of 64 > even) but I am s

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

2012-06-11 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon Jun 11 19:32:19 EDT 2012, s...@9front.org wrote: > >> I loved vera until I switched from drawterm to native. Lately, > >> lucidasans is very comfortable. > > > > why would native make a difference? > > In native, I no longer benefit from X11's rendering. Here, blurry > fonts look blurry. i

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

2012-06-11 Thread erik quanstrom
this is the incantation i'm using. the second argument is zero, not font.size*72 as in your example if(FT_Set_Char_Size(font.face, 0, font.size * 64, 72, 72) != 0) sysfatal("FT_Set_Char_Size: status=%d\n", status); - erik

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

2012-06-11 Thread sl
>> In native, I no longer benefit from X11's rendering. Here, blurry >> fonts look blurry. > > i'm not having that problem. but that might be because of the details of > the conversion to font, or due to personal sensitivity to subpixeling. In my case it's the same several machines used with the

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

2012-06-11 Thread erik quanstrom
my source is here: http://ftp.quanstro.net/other/ttf2subf.tbz i included the executable i last used as its origin is somewhat in doubt. i never use the good cycles for fiddle around with fonts. ☺ - erik

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

2012-06-11 Thread erik quanstrom
> In my case it's the same several machines used with the same screens. The > only change was the local operating system. From drawterm on OpenBSD > I thought vera was very nice (and used it for around a year); in Plan 9 native > on the same machine vera looks blurry. I realize this is subjective t

[9fans] more radar toys

2012-06-11 Thread erik quanstrom
i added a little toy program to radar(1) (contrib quanstro/radar) to continuously display the current radar image called radarloop. if you're feeling like you've got time on your hands, try overlaying overlapping radars (by taking the data from the nearest radar) so one can pan about. - erik

Re: [9fans] Mini PCs

2012-06-11 Thread Nick LaForge
> sadly, the 10/100 ethernet is provided through a flakey usb hub I think the 'cheap arm dev board' bandwagon will always suffer in this regard, since the phones these SoCs were designed for don't even come close to needing gbe On 6/11/12, Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan wrote: > what about teg2 for

Re: [9fans] Mini PCs

2012-06-11 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Nick LaForge wrote: >> sadly, the 10/100 ethernet is provided through a flakey usb hub > > I think the 'cheap arm dev board' bandwagon will always suffer in this > regard, since the phones these SoCs were designed for don't even come > close to needing gbe > Gurup

Re: [9fans] Mini PCs

2012-06-11 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Jun 12 00:39:16 EDT 2012, nicklafo...@gmail.com wrote: > > sadly, the 10/100 ethernet is provided through a flakey usb hub > > I think the 'cheap arm dev board' bandwagon will always suffer in this > regard, since the phones these SoCs were designed for don't even come > close to needing gb

Re: [9fans] Mini PCs

2012-06-11 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 12:51:28AM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: > On Tue Jun 12 00:39:16 EDT 2012, nicklafo...@gmail.com wrote: > > > sadly, the 10/100 ethernet is provided through a flakey usb hub > > > > I think the 'cheap arm dev board' bandwagon will always suffer in this > > regard, since the

Re: [9fans] Mini PCs

2012-06-11 Thread Nick LaForge
Sure. But the Sheevaplug (same SoC) is now 3 years old, and it looks like the whole 'plug-computer' thing never took off. Since phones seem to be the only consistent market for fast Arm SoCs, we're likely to see one with usb3 before gbe. But I'll shut up now in deference to somebody with actual

Re: [9fans] Mini PCs

2012-06-11 Thread Charles Forsyth
"failure of vision" On 12 June 2012 00:56, Kurt H Maier wrote: > Why do I have to invent a point to your message?

Re: [9fans] Mini PCs

2012-06-11 Thread Kurt H Maier
Evaluations of the Sheevaplug in particular revealed it tended to overheat badly if you put any significant load on the networking components. Heating problems combined with poor quality control would be my guess as to why that whole thing never flew.

Re: [9fans] Mini PCs

2012-06-11 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 01:08:38AM -0400, Charles Forsyth wrote: > "failure of vision" > I think a sunken ship and an unidentified attack vessel are about as much use to a man stranded on a tiny island as high-throughput wired networking is to low-power compute devices.

Re: [9fans] Mini PCs

2012-06-11 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Jun 12 01:14:34 EDT 2012, kh...@intma.in wrote: > On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 01:08:38AM -0400, Charles Forsyth wrote: > > "failure of vision" > > > > I think a sunken ship and an unidentified attack vessel are about as > much use to a man stranded on a tiny island as high-throughput wired > n

Re: [9fans] Mini PCs

2012-06-11 Thread rod
Well, I'm the zaurus 'somebody'. You're welcome to the kernel source, and I can provide some help with getting it going. For my purposes, performance is pretty sprightly. I still use it for writing or reviewing the odd bit of code or text editing. Yes, viewing pdf's is slow but I assume that is bec