oh yea a apple R&D from 1989 that justifies everything, they're not even
trying to sell mac os computers < irony >
its like Microsoft release a study saying widows are better than apples
or even microsoft is more productive than macOS or linux
just in a quick google search
http://gizmodo.com/34843
> wrong malign list
Indubitably!
What I find really curious about the mouse vs keyboard argument is
that so few people are willing to test and quantify it. I ran into an
HCI researcher a while back and posed the mouse/keyboard question to
him and he just said "Fitts's law"(ie. that the mouse requires more
movement and therefore it
On Jun 16, 2:57 pm, pau...@gmail.com (Gorka Guardiola) wrote:
> On Jun 16, 2011, at 9:30 AM, "antonio@gmail.com"
>
>
>
> > For blind people the mouse is useless.
>
> To people who cannot move, a
> keyboard is useless. What is your point
> exactly?. You have a braille line driver
> and a brail
> [...]
I'd like to point out that mice (or rather, pointing devices) come in
different flavours. IBM's trackpoint, is, in my view, rather different
device from usability perspective, and most of the mouse critique in
this thread or elsewhere doesn't apply to it, while many of the stated
benefits
If you like mousing, mouse. If you like typing, type. One could even
imagine doing one or the other as appropriate.
Eating is faster than singing.
-rob
hello
this reminds me something:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9kTVZiJ3Uc&feature=related
slds.
gabi
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Rob Pike wrote:
> If you like mousing, mouse. If you like typing, type. One could even
> imagine doing one or the other as appropriate.
>
> Eating is fast
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Rob Pike wrote:
> If you like mousing, mouse. If you like typing, type. One could even
> imagine doing one or the other as appropriate.
>
> Eating is faster than singing.
>
> -rob
>
>
i hate typing a few words than grabbing for the mouse then click then
back to ty
> I have been working in a visually impaired school and I told to the
> list what I saw.
> For me is easier to use the mouse than the keyboard-shortcuts, but for
> blind people mouse is useless and they are heavy users of computers,
> it is not the same as your example.
>
http://www.hawking.org.uk/
Since doing a pull recently my keyfs will not start reporting that all
my keys have no termination - the key file is corrupted
compared to what keyfs expects. I have checked against older keyfs's
and older /adm/keys in my venti and nothing has changed
(so perhaps the pull is purely a coincidence.
On Friday 17 of June 2011 12:36:21 Rogelio Serrano wrote:
> i hate typing a few words than grabbing for the mouse then click then
> back to typing a few more words etc etc...
the layout of your desk matters. Most important, the angles of your arm when
using mouse. Second mouse shape, third the di
Now that you mention the trackpoint - is there an easy way to fit one
into my cherry keyboard?
Also, where is my wearable wireless thumb trackpoint?
Some people's contribution to this discussion is really null and
irritating..
They go like "Pfff Apple did this for the customers! oh yeah, and by the
way, the keyboard is faster in general"
Well, at least apple has indeed made the effort to publish a research!
Attracting customers or not, this doe
I've just tried booting Plan 9 on a borrowed SL510 (very low-end and
low-cost but still thinkpad-branded Lenovo). Seems to run OK;
ethernet works; disk works if bios ahci config is set to "compatible".
Vesa vga didn't seem to offer anything better than 1024x768.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Guilherme Lino wrote:
> better with it... but generally keyboard is much faster on most day tasks,
> people just don't have the patience to learn it
>
Measuring the keyboard versus mouse speed is such a trivial experiment
to repeat.
Still, as Noah pointed out, peo
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 8:17 AM, wrote:
> Second question: I'm trying to find if, in western languages, including
> ligatures for ae and oe would be good since it is generally needed (one
> can forbid ligatures by inserting "{}" between the letters), or if it's
> not correct to set this by defaul
On Jun 17, 2011, at 5:16 AM, Noah Evans wrote:
> .., a bit
> disappointed that people seem content to rely on intuition rather than
> measurement to understand the problem.
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
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The assumption that something is fact or obvious I've observed is indeed often
1. insert a character in a line? - I usually retype the whole line with .c
2. indent a line - i usually retype the whole line.
fernan
2011/6/17 Fernan Bolando :
> 1. insert a character in a line? - I usually retype the whole line with .c
s/^/c/
> 2. indent a line - i usually retype the whole line.
The same, where c == \t
--
- yiyus || JGL .
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:04 PM, yy wrote:
> 2011/6/17 Fernan Bolando :
>> 1. insert a character in a line? - I usually retype the whole line with .c
>
> s/^/c/
what if I want to insert it in the middle of the line?
>
>> 2. indent a line - i usually retype the whole line.
>
> The same, where c
If you want to change:
"in ed, how" to "in fred, how", do something like this:
s/in ed/in fred/
John
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Fernan Bolando wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:04 PM, yy wrote:
>> 2011/6/17 Fernan Bolando :
>>> 1. insert a character in a line? - I usually retype the
On Friday 17 of June 2011 16:55:41 Fernan Bolando wrote:
> 1. insert a character in a line? - I usually retype the whole line with .c
if you have a line in the form:
> foo bar BAZ frob knob
and want to insert text after BAZ, do:
s,BAZ,& new text new text,
where the `&' stands for whatever was
On Friday 17 of June 2011 16:55:41 Fernan Bolando wrote:
> 2. indent a line - i usually retype the whole line.
to indent several lines, you could do
1) set dot to range, like 1,5
2) s,^, ,g
(a tab between second and third coma)
but that'd indent the empty ones too :(
you want
1) set dot to ra
On Jun 17, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Fernan Bolando
wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:04 PM, yy wrote:
2011/6/17 Fernan Bolando :
1. insert a character in a line? - I usually retype the whole line
with .c
s/^/c/
what if I want to insert it in the middle of the line?
Mousing is faster than t
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Bakul Shah wrote:
> On Jun 17, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Fernan Bolando wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:04 PM, yy wrote:
>>>
>>> 2011/6/17 Fernan Bolando :
1. insert a character in a line? - I usually retype the whole line with
.c
>>>
>>> s/^/c/
>>
On Friday 17 of June 2011 17:22:37 Bakul Shah wrote:
> On Jun 17, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Fernan Bolando
>
> wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:04 PM, yy wrote:
> >> 2011/6/17 Fernan Bolando :
> >>> 1. insert a character in a line? - I usually retype the whole line
> >>> with .c
> >>
> >> s/^/c/
>
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:18:20AM -0400, Joel C. Salomon wrote:
>[...]
> OK to generate automatically. But ?ae???æ? and ?oe?, &c.?please
> don?t make these substitutions
I have already found (and answered) that "oe" can not be a ligature
since, even in french, the "oe" sequence appears in wo
It sounds easy. But few folks on this list are HCI researchers (I'll tell
you it's odd going from GPU design to HCI - but it's fun!).
None of the micro-tasks (mouse vs keyboard) that folks are going on about on
this list is meaningful to measure. We know keyboards are good for some
things, and m
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Paul Lalonde wrote:
> It sounds easy. But few folks on this list are HCI researchers (I'll tell
> you it's odd going from GPU design to HCI - but it's fun!).
> None of the micro-tasks (mouse vs keyboard) that folks are going on about on
> this list is meaningful
mousing is faster if ed is running in a rio window :)
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Bakul Shah wrote:
> On Jun 17, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Fernan Bolando wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:04 PM, yy wrote:
>>>
>>> 2011/6/17 Fernan Bolando :
1. insert a character in a line? - I usuall
On Friday 17 of June 2011 18:18:14 Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> mousing is faster if ed is running in a rio window :)
back when I was text-moder on an 486, mouse via gpm was quite a speed-up for
work in Midnight Commander and CLI [1]
but porting gpm to p9 would require cursor addressing, you don't w
I am all for more intuitive HCI design but frankly, if the small speed
difference either way in mousing vs typing saves you enough time to make it
worth retraining your brain and fingers, you are spending way too much time in
front of the puter and have already shortened your life by more than y
On 17 June 2011 19:54, Bakul Shah wrote:
> I am all for more intuitive HCI design but frankly, if the small speed
> difference either way in mousing vs typing saves you enough time to make it
> worth retraining your brain and fingers, you are spending way too much time
> in front of the puter and
I agree with the wait-lock theory of clicking keys, it applies to just about
anything involving intention, execution and outcome. "Good it worked!" or
"DOH!WTF?" .. these impressions I think are at the heart of a human,
experimentation=survival thing. That said, I also agree that the ideal
interfac
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:59:31 +0300 Harri Haataja wrote:
> On 17 June 2011 19:54, Bakul Shah wrote:
> > I am all for more intuitive HCI design but frankly, if the small speed
> > difference either way in mousing vs typing saves you enough time to make it
> > worth retraining your brain and finger
On 06/17/2011 11:37 AM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:18:20AM -0400, Joel C. Salomon wrote:
>> At which point you've reinvented XeTeX.
>
> I've given a look at it. I don't want to start a discussion about
> Unicode, since, supplementary to the "characters"
> there are f
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:07:42PM -0400, Joel C. Salomon wrote:
> On 06/17/2011 11:37 AM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote:
>[...]
> > but no hieroglyphes or Linear B, so it's not complete ;)
>
> The fonts may be lacking, but Hieroglyphs & Linear B *are* in Unicode;
> see and
> .
I stand corrected
On Friday, June 17, 2011 12:57:37 AM Guilherme Lino wrote:
> oh yea a apple R&D from 1989 that justifies everything
>
Heheh, and you know it's worse even than that. Because, _what_
Apple R&D? Where can I review the tests and measurements - and
the parameters involved thereof - performed in this
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:31 PM, simon softnet wrote:
> Some people's contribution to this discussion is really null and
> irritating..
> They go like "Pfff Apple did this for the customers! oh yeah, and by the
> way, the keyboard is faster in general"
> Well, at least apple has indeed made the e
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Guilherme Lino wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:31 PM, simon softnet wrote:
>>
>> Some people's contribution to this discussion is really null and
>> irritating..
>> They go like "Pfff Apple did this for the customers! oh yeah, and by the
>> way, the keyboar
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:23 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657135
> Dave
The best part of these kind of threads is how they bring out all the
people who we've never, ever seen post before--the "been meaning to
try this Plan 9 thing" brigade, etc.
John
Thanks to those who replied,
It turned out to be a combination of corrupted nvram (flakey disk?),
and finger trouble - I replaced the corrupt hostowner key with
an incorrect one.
-Steve
As many already pointed out, the "keyboard vs mouse" debate is, somehow,
useless. It's actually the application you use to be made to use the
keyboard and mouse in a efficient manner.
The most productive applications I used (in general, for the jobs they were
intended) were Blender, Labcenter Prote
> And I can point the worst application I ever had to use to be Cadence Orcad
> Layout version 9.2/10 (I didn't bothered to use a newer version because the
> harm was made). This one has long and deep menus, hard to remember shortcuts
> and simply you couldn't prioritize the interface to have what
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:47 PM, John Floren wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:23 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
>> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657135
>> Dave
>
> The best part of these kind of threads is how they bring out all the
> people who we've never, ever seen po
> to indent several lines, you could do
> 1) set dot to range, like 1,5
> 2) s,^, ,g
I believe you can't set dot to a range in ed, just to a single line. Your
sugestion applies to sam, though. In ed, you should give range with
command:
1,5s,^, ,g
Best,
Maurício
I still think your contribution is null and irritating.
First of all, it's too long and it doesn't say anything of essence.
What's all this mumbling about your girlfriend and gamers?
Thanks for suggesting that I try and use vim in unix.
I am 26 years old now. I have been using vim since I was 17 i
Hi, all,
Could you give me tips on how to script acme in plan9 from user
space? Sorry for asking this question without at least showing some
attempts of my own, but the fact is that I'm unable to grasp how to start.
I would like to do things like these:
* Automatically do something when text is
I created plan9 subpartitions on my disk and wanted
to remove one and make two new ones.
Here's the scheme (500 GB hdd, all of it plan9 partition,
512 byte sectors):
9fat 0-24800
nvram 204800-204801
fscfg 204801-204802
fs 204802-10690562
swap 10690562-11739138
empty 11739138-89904498
worm 89904498
I made a typo:
a other
> start sector: 11739138
> end [11739138..78155217]
>
> However, I can, by hand, type in
>
> echo part other 11739138 89904498 > /dev/sdC0/ctl
I meant:
echo part other 11739201 98804561 > /dev/sdC0/ctl
(because plan9 partition is offset 63 from the beginning of
the d
Who are you replying to again? This thread has become total nonsense.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 17, 2011, at 4:03 PM, simon softnet wrote:
> I still think your contribution is null and irritating.
> First of all, it's too long and it doesn't say anything of essence.
> What's all this mumbling
I was replying to guih.lino _at_ gmail.com
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 2:35 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
> Who are you replying to again? This thread has become total nonsense.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 17, 2011, at 4:03 PM, simon softnet wrote:
>
> I still think your contribution is null an
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 2:42 PM, David Leimbach wrote:
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:47 PM, John Floren wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:23 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
>>> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657135
>>> Dave
>>
>> The best part of these kind of threads
As the guy who literally wrote the book on this, please may I
recommend some offline reading?
-rob
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