Re: [9fans] acme Put doesn't save

2009-03-06 Thread Rudolf Sykora
It really seems that acme-sac does save in the described way (at least it saves). That makes me wonder. Do plan9 acme, p9p acme and acme-sac have more similar differences? Are the programs separate in their development? Thanks Ruda > personally, i think that Put should work on any non-application

Re: [9fans] acme Put doesn't save

2009-03-06 Thread Robert Raschke
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Rudolf Sykora wrote: > It really seems that acme-sac does save in the described way (at least > it saves). That makes me wonder. Do plan9 acme, p9p acme and acme-sac > have more similar differences? Are the programs separate in their > development? Acme-sac is bas

Re: [9fans] GSoC 2009

2009-03-06 Thread Sergey Zhilkin
Great ! And how about mentors ??? Who wanna be mentor ? 2009/3/5 Uriel > As Sergey pointed out, there is a google groups for discussing this > topics (there is also one only for mentors if you like, where I think > both of you are members). > > http://groups.google.com/group/plan9-gsoc > > I hav

[9fans] smart monitoring

2009-03-06 Thread erik quanstrom
i put a small program, disk/smart, on sources that does simple smart monitoring for scsi and ata disks. contrib/install quanstro/smart for ata disks, quanstro/sd is required. atapi devices could be monitored via ata or or scsi commands or both, but i don't have access to any devices that

[9fans] C Programming in Plan 9 from Bell Labs

2009-03-06 Thread hugo rivera
Hi, does anyone know of (or has) a pdf (ps) version of Pietro's C Programming in Plan 9 from Bell Labs? I was trying to print it from cat-v.org but for some reason I am not able to do so. Saludos -- Hugo

Re: [9fans] Google Summer of code 2009

2009-03-06 Thread Dave Eckhardt
> I heard that there will be a GSoC this year, are there > any plans to get plan 9 as a mentoring organization? There has been some discussion about this among the people who put together last year's application. For whatever mixture of factors, we ended up "below the line" last year. This year

Re: [9fans] Google Summer of code 2009

2009-03-06 Thread hugo rivera
uh, sorry to hear that. Well, maybe next year... Saludos 2009/3/6, Dave Eckhardt : > > I heard that there will be a GSoC this year, are there > > any plans to get plan 9 as a mentoring organization? > > > There has been some discussion about this among the people who > put together last year's a

Re: [9fans] threads vs forks

2009-03-06 Thread Roman V Shaposhnik
Clojure is definitely something that I would like to play with extensively. Looks very promising from the outset, so the only question that I have is how does it feel when used for substantial things. Thanks, Roman. P.S. My belief in it was actually reaffirmed by a raving endorsement it got from

Re: [9fans] Google Summer of code 2009

2009-03-06 Thread Uriel
Uhu? Who 'decided' this? And where was this 'discussed'? Certainly not in any of the Plan 9 GSoC lists. It is total nonsense not to apply based on pure speculation, and you can be certain there will be an application, whatever it will be accepted or not, who knows, and what evidence there is that

Re: [9fans] Google Summer of code 2009

2009-03-06 Thread maht
* * organizing some bug-fixing weekends or install fests, improving performance and usability of Plan 9 in various VM's (since this is probably the safest way to ensure that a new user's install works the *first* time)... I sent a Plan9 Qemu qcow to the osZoo people a while ago but

Re: [9fans] Google Summer of code 2009

2009-03-06 Thread Anthony Sorace
uriel, remain calm. he said the discussion was among the people who ran last year's application. that's fine: they can have whatever conversations they like, wherever they like. if they've decided their time is better spent elsewhere, that's their decision. on the specific actions suggest, too, i'

Re: [9fans] Google Summer of code 2009

2009-03-06 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
If anyone is looking for projects I am working on USB and it's for sure there will be many drivers that could be done once the controller drivers get finished, what shouldn't take much time now. I'm willing to help anyone willing to work on such "projects". Acpi is also needed asap. Probab

Re: [9fans] threads vs forks

2009-03-06 Thread David Leimbach
Things like Clojure, or Scala become a bit more interesting when the VM is extended to allow tail recursion to happen in a nice way. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Roman V Shaposhnik wrote: > Clojure is definitely something that I would like to play > with extensively. Looks very promising fro

Re: [9fans] Porter-Duff alpha blending

2009-03-06 Thread Russ Cox
Thanks for tracking this down and pointing out where the error is. There are actually a handful of errors in that code. Assume a source value sv, source alpha sa, mask alpha ma, destination value dv, and destination alpha da. The values sv and dv are stored premultiplied by their corresponding a

Re: [9fans] Porter-Duff alpha blending

2009-03-06 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> Bug #3: MUL0123 is enabled whenever the src > and dst both have 32-bit pixel width, but there is > no check that the sub-channels are in the same > order. You don't say what the image chans were > in your test, but this: > > src rFF g00 b00 αFF > mask kFF αFF > dst r00 g00 b00 αFF > dst after

Re: [9fans] Google Summer of code 2009

2009-03-06 Thread erik quanstrom
> Acpi is also needed asap. what's the pressure point here? - erik

Re: [9fans] Google Summer of code 2009

2009-03-06 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 3:59 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> Acpi is also needed asap. > > what's the pressure point here? > The number of mainboards that have incorrect PIR, MP, tables that are correct in ACPI. The fact that so many functions, for correct operation, need ACPI. It's a mess. ACPI suc

Re: [9fans] Google Summer of code 2009

2009-03-06 Thread erik quanstrom
> > what's the pressure point here? > > > > The number of mainboards that have incorrect PIR, MP, tables that are > correct in ACPI. The fact that so many functions, for correct > operation, need ACPI. > > It's a mess. ACPI sucks. But it's what we have to work with. this is just my perspective o

Re: [9fans] threads vs forks

2009-03-06 Thread Bakul Shah
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:47:20 PST Roman V Shaposhnik wrote: > Clojure is definitely something that I would like to play > with extensively. Looks very promising from the outset, > so the only question that I have is how does it feel > when used for substantial things. You can browse various Cloju

[9fans] amd sb690 ahci bug with atapi

2009-03-06 Thread erik quanstrom
there is a hardware errata with the amd 690 southbridge that has been causing some funny results on my terminal's dvd drive for some time now. i finally hunted it down last night. my contrib sd package has the fix. unfortunately, i also happen to own a dvd drive that loves to set check condition:

Re: [9fans] threads vs forks

2009-03-06 Thread Brian L. Stuart
> P.S. My belief in it was actually reaffirmed by a raving > endorsement it got from an old LISP community. Those > guys are a bit like 9fans, if you know what I mean ;-) You mean intelligent people who appreciate elegance? :) Sorry. Couldn't resist. BLS

Re: [9fans] Google Summer of code 2009

2009-03-06 Thread Brian L. Stuart
> For whatever mixture of factors, we ended up "below the line" > last year. This year more groups are expected to apply, and > Google has indicated they plan to support fewer groups and > fewer students this year as compared to last year. Each of > those trends seems likely to push us further "b

Re: [9fans] threads vs forks

2009-03-06 Thread erik quanstrom
> To be less flippant, what makes high performance flash difficult > is the slow erasure time and large erasure blocks relative to > the size of individual flash pages. Being full hurts since the > flash is typically managed by a log structured storage system > with a garbage collector. Small ran

Re: [9fans] Google Summer of code 2009

2009-03-06 Thread lucio
> It's a mess. ACPI sucks. But it's what we have to work with. I don't know about ACPI, but it struck me that Plan 9 was in a far batter position to deal with the foibles of USB than any other OS I am familiar with (IMO, PCI was similar, but the opportunity was missed), I'm pleased Nemo is able to

Re: [9fans] threads vs forks

2009-03-06 Thread lucio
> Where does all this fancy stuff belong? In the storage medium, > in the HBA, in the device driver, in the file system, or in the > application? In a very intelligent cache? Or did you mention that above and in my ignorance I missed it? OK, let's try this: . Storage medium: only the hardware

Re: [9fans] Google Summer of code 2009

2009-03-06 Thread erik quanstrom
> I don't know about ACPI, but it struck me that Plan 9 was in a far > batter position to deal with the foibles of USB than any other OS I > am familiar with (IMO, PCI was similar, but the opportunity was > missed), I'm pleased Nemo is able to provide help there. what was missed with pci? plan 9

Re: [9fans] threads vs forks

2009-03-06 Thread lucio
> Much of the intelligence > actually resides in the device driver. It is that secret sauce > that gets you good performance. In theory it could be pushed > down, but it takes CPU, memory, and memory bandwidth that may > not be cost effective there. That would entail a really intelligent control

Re: [9fans] threads vs forks

2009-03-06 Thread erik quanstrom
> Sadly, if a WORM is your only application, then no one cares. > At least not enough to pony up for real peformance. The folks > at places like Sandia are interested in running HPC applications > and there are a lot of people in other industries such as big oil > and finance that are willing to p