[9fans] Venti backups from unix

2024-12-14 Thread Anthony Sorace
I use vac in Plan 9 Ports to back up a bunch of Unix hosts to a Plan 9 venti. I've talked about this several times, including on here at least once or twice, but someone asked me again a day or two ago and I realized I didn't have anything convenient to point to. So I did a lab report:

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-10-29 Thread wb . kloke
On Sunday, 27 October 2024, at 10:57 AM, Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen wrote: > I have tried it out by feeding it with the output from printarenas, and it seems to work reasonably well. Does anyone have any good ideas about how to incrementally extract the set of scores that has been added to a venti

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-10-27 Thread Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
I just stumbled across this thread, so I will repost something I wrote in 2017 about mirroring of venti. I had the need to create the union of two venti servers, so I wrote a client that copies individual venti blocks, given the scores. This you can do without worrying about what is on the target v

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-04 Thread Noam Preil
That's familiar enough that TBH I probably saw your message and forgot to respond. I was going through Some Shit at the time. I'm cleaning up my inbox today; I'll respond if I see it and reach out if I don't :) - Noam Preil -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: http

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-04 Thread wb . kloke
On Sunday, 4 August 2024, at 2:57 PM, noam wrote: > i'm unsure which thread you're talking about; can you link me to more info on mventi? I've been working on a better venti implementation as well [1], and it'd be nice to have another reference :) The other thread is "yet another try to fixup venti

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-04 Thread noam
Quoth wb.kl...@gmail.com: > Noam is right in most of his text. Well of course, I'm me, what do you expect? :D > But I have to add that the following sentence should be taken with some grain > of salt. Everything should be taken with at least one grain of salt, preferably more; salt is essential

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-04 Thread noam
Quoth kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us: > While I've received some help, it wasn't clear. I haven't asked for further > clarification because I know I would receive more banter for asking simple > follow-up questions. If you ask questions, I'll happily answer them. Banter you've received was specif

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-04 Thread noam
Quoth kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us: > I see this as a documentation problem. If people can't find information > easily, they ask. Without credible documentation, the cycle never ends. We > have endless discussions on 9fans on how to do things. Improving > documentation is a step forward. Is aski

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-03 Thread Marco Feichtinger
Thanks Noam for that summery; it's of great help. -marco -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tca0eb0fbb2404e31-Mc78af745108ea6a349ba9966 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-03 Thread kalona . ayeliski
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Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-03 Thread sirjofri
03.08.2024 21:06:54 kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us: > Naom, 9fans isn't a single source of truth, but rather is a place for holding > discussions.  Code doesn't lie. So code is the source of truth. Anything you say about how things work which doesn't match reality, is therefore just wrong or a lie.

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-03 Thread wb . kloke
Noam is right in most of his text. But I have to add that the following sentence should be taken with some grain of salt.   > If the index is on a separate drive, though - e.g. index on SSD, data on HDDs > - mirrorarenas can be used to keep the arenas in sync between multiple (sets > of) HDDs,

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-03 Thread kalona . ayeliski
khm, if you need validation as an expert, that's on you. Naom, 9fans isn't a single source of truth, but rather is a place for holding discussions.  I see this as a documentation problem. If people can't find information easily, they ask. Without credible documentation, the cycle never ends. We

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-03 Thread noam
Quoth kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us: > khm, you can think whatever you like. If true, then all you can do is let it > be. > > My point is accurate information should be easy to find and read if you care about accurate information, the most helpful thing you can do is stop using LLMs. Sincerely, p

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-03 Thread noam
Quoth kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us: > Would creating standard operating procedures for newcomers be beneficial? > Having procedures detailing how to administer Venti mirroring on a Plan 9 > system in a wiki seems reasonable. Here is a formatted example of an SOP. I > am sure something better coul

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-03 Thread Kurt H Maier via 9fans
On Sat, Aug 03, 2024 at 02:27:14PM -0400, kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us wrote: > khm, you can think whatever you like. If true, then all you can do is let it > be. I don't need your permission to think whatever I like, and there are tons of other things I can do, like informing you that you're a us

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-03 Thread kalona . ayeliski
khm, you can think whatever you like. If true, then all you can do is let it be. My point is accurate information should be easy to find and read, like in a wiki. Mailing lists are for discussions, not for searching answers. It’s ideal when discussions lead to action items that improve the overa

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-03 Thread Kurt H Maier via 9fans
On Sat, Aug 03, 2024 at 02:10:43PM -0400, kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us wrote: > >     cron '*/5 * * * * fs(3) -m /dev/sdE0/arena /dev/sdE1/arena' > When you generate bullshit with an LLM and then post it without reading it, nobody thinks the LLM is stupid. We think *you* are stupid. khm --

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-03 Thread kalona . ayeliski
Would creating standard operating procedures for newcomers be beneficial? Having procedures detailing how to administer Venti mirroring on a Plan 9 system in a wiki seems reasonable. Here is a formatted example of an SOP. I am sure something better could be created.   Standard Operating Procedu

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-03 Thread noam
Quoth Marco Feichtinger : > venti/mirrorarenas is undocumented, and I couldn't find any topic here, > which goes into more detail. > > So I am curious how does it work, > how does one to set it up, so the arenas get mirrored automatically, > and why do you use it instead of fs(3) mirror? fs(3) c

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-02 Thread Marco Feichtinger
Thank you very much guys, there are some helpful answers, even though this thread got a little messy. (didn't see that coming) Charles Forsyth, since you are using venti/mirrorarenas, if you don't mind, I would like to know what your venti.conf looks like. -marco ---

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-07-30 Thread ori
Quoth Marco Feichtinger : > venti/mirrorarenas is undocumented, and I couldn't find any topic here, > which goes into more detail. > > So I am curious how does it work, > how does one to set it up, so the arenas get mirrored automatically, > and why do you use it instead of fs(3) mirror? > > -ma

[9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-07-29 Thread Marco Feichtinger
venti/mirrorarenas is undocumented, and I couldn't find any topic here, which goes into more detail. So I am curious how does it work, how does one to set it up, so the arenas get mirrored automatically, and why do you use it instead of fs(3) mirror? -marco

Re: [9fans] venti sealed arenas and ondisk format

2020-11-25 Thread Bakul Shah
11 years ago Russ posted a program called ventino that keeps its index in RAM. May be you can use it as a starting point? http://mail.9fans.net/pipermail/9fans/2011-August/020604.html > On Nov 25, 2020, at 11:13 AM, Steve Simon wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a pile of sealed venti arenas on an a

[9fans] venti sealed arenas and ondisk format

2020-11-25 Thread Steve Simon
Hi, I have a pile of sealed venti arenas on an a usb stick, and the last fossil score. is there any reasonable way I can view the dump filesystem from these with a readonly filesystem without: formatting a filesystem to take them building indexes running venti fi

Re: [9fans] Venti on OpenBSD - some information and a question

2020-05-04 Thread Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
Thanks, I found the problem by inspection of src/lib9/_p9dialparse.c. IPv6 is indeed the default when using an address of tcp!*!17034 /* translate host */ if(strcmp(host, "*") == 0){ ss->ss_family = AF_INET6; ((struct sockaddr_in6*)ss)->sin6_addr = in6addr_any; }else if((he = gethostbyname(host))

Re: [9fans] Venti on OpenBSD - some information and a question

2020-05-04 Thread ori
> I can connect to the venti from localhost, but not from any other machine. > However, if I run nc -l on ports 17034 and 80, I can connect from any > machine. It is definitely not the packet filter, since the problem persists > even if I disable the packet filter. Any suggestions about what might

[9fans] Venti on OpenBSD - some information and a question

2020-05-04 Thread Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
I am in the process of moving a venti from Linux to OpenBSD. First, unless int _p9dir(struct stat *lst, struct stat *st, char *name, Dir *d, char **str, char *estr) is patched, it will always return size 0 for raw partitions. We need to allow character devices as well, not just block devices: diff

Re: [9fans] Venti off-site backups

2016-10-26 Thread David du Colombier
> I see several threads about how people are cloning their Venti > servers to remote Venti servers as a means of creating a backup. Personally, I use three different ways of replicating the content of my Venti file servers. 1. The first method is to use venti/mirrorarenas to replicate the content

Re: [9fans] Venti off-site backups

2016-10-26 Thread Steve Simon
i append my venti arenas to usb memory sticks - only two so far. i don't store music or videos on plan9 so compressed de-duplicated data doesn't take up much space. the only time i had problems was my own fault, over cooling a disk through my own paranoia. > On 26 Oct 2016, at 18:43, Steven St

Re: [9fans] Venti off-site backups

2016-10-26 Thread Steven Stallion
It was exactly this thought that led me to moving my venti store to running out of plan9port. At home, I have a Linux server that provides other services in addition to venti with an obnoxious amount of storage. I also have a CrashPlan client running on this machine. The result is an always-on back

[9fans] Venti off-site backups

2016-10-26 Thread James A. Robinson
I see several threads about how people are cloning their Venti servers to remote Venti servers as a means of creating a backup. Reading over the man pages, I assume it's also possible to do something like use rdarena to dump an arena out, encrypt it, and put the encrypted arena into a remote servi

[9fans] Venti problem on sources

2015-12-28 Thread lucio
I would like to report the following: tar: dirreadall steve/root/sys/lib/texmf/fonts/pk/ljfour/unihan: venti i/o error or wrong score, block 447265754f80cb7ed8f104a82c3255718ba007bb which seems to point to a sources disk error (/n/sources/contrib/...).. I am shutting the workstation down and tho

[9fans] Venti on NetBSD64

2014-07-24 Thread trebol
This mail is just in case someone is thinking on setting a venti server or just install plan9port in NetBSD64. I know is a p9p matter, but I've saw a lot of people on this list using p9p to serve venti and even fossil for their Plan9 machines. If this is a bad behavior on the mailing list, please

[9fans] Venti on NetBSD64

2014-07-24 Thread trebol

Re: [9fans] Venti on OpenBSD: vtversion: bad format in version string

2014-01-22 Thread Grant Mather
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 10:48:59PM -0800, Bakul Shah wrote: > On Jan 13, 2014, at 3:59 PM, Grant Mather wrote: > > I partitioned the disk using fdisk to create one large OpenBSD > > partition, and then created two paritions with disklabel, one for arenas > > and one for isect. I followed the wiki

Re: [9fans] Venti on OpenBSD: vtversion: bad format in version string

2014-01-14 Thread Bakul Shah
On Jan 13, 2014, at 3:59 PM, Grant Mather wrote: > I partitioned the disk using fdisk to create one large OpenBSD > partition, and then created two paritions with disklabel, one for arenas > and one for isect. I followed the wiki page for setting up venti, and > have been able to get it working on

Re: [9fans] Venti on OpenBSD: vtversion: bad format ...

2014-01-14 Thread Grant Mather
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 03:46:11AM -0800, Michael Hansen wrote: > Are you using OpenBSD's stock pf ruleset? I don't think it blocks or > otherwise interferes with any 9Pish ports by default, but it's > something to check. > mmh > > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 16:59:13 -0700 > > From: Grant Mather >

Re: [9fans] Venti on OpenBSD: vtversion: bad format ...

2014-01-14 Thread Michael Hansen
Are you using OpenBSD's stock pf ruleset? I don't think it blocks or otherwise interferes with any 9Pish ports by default, but it's something to check. mmh > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 16:59:13 -0700 > From: Grant Mather > (snip) > Using plan9port-20120508 that is provided with OpenBSD seems to have

[9fans] Venti on OpenBSD: vtversion: bad format in version string

2014-01-13 Thread Grant Mather
Hello everyone, I am new to the list and to Plan 9. I have been trying to set up an OpenBSD venti server for a few days now, but to no success. My intention was to use it as the default venti server for my Plan 9 machine. I partitioned the disk using fdisk to create one large OpenBSD partition,

Re: [9fans] venti backup

2012-01-23 Thread hugo rivera
OK, thanks a lot for your help! 2012/1/20 David du Colombier <0in...@gmail.com>: >> Does the presence of the trailer imply that I should add an extra >> block to the arenas backup? >> If my last arena is >> >> arena='arenas059' [31676186624,32213057536) >> >> then I should backup 32213057536+8192

Re: [9fans] venti backup

2012-01-20 Thread David du Colombier
> Does the presence of the trailer imply that I should add an extra > block to the arenas backup? > If my last arena is > > arena='arenas059' [31676186624,32213057536) > > then I should backup 32213057536+8192 bytes instead of 32213057536? No, the trailer is located at the end of the arena, just

Re: [9fans] venti backup

2012-01-20 Thread hugo rivera
Does the presence of the trailer imply that I should add an extra block to the arenas backup? If my last arena is arena='arenas059' [31676186624,32213057536) then I should backup 32213057536+8192 bytes instead of 32213057536? 2012/1/20 David du Colombier <0in...@gmail.com>: > This is because eac

[9fans] venti backup

2012-01-20 Thread David du Colombier
This is because each arena have an header (ArenaHead) and a trailer (ArenaTrail) we would like to copy. The header, in particular, is located just one block before the start of the arena. -- David du Colombier

Re: [9fans] venti backup

2012-01-20 Thread hugo rivera
Thanks a lot, David, for your detailed reply. I've followed your indications and now I am able to recover from my venti backup :-) I must confess that I am puzzled, because some sizes and most seeks for dd are off by 1 block from what I expect. Particulary, why do you % dd -if arenas2.img -of arena

Re: [9fans] venti backup

2012-01-20 Thread David du Colombier
> that's only 98 blocks of 8192 bytes, not 128 as you mention. Sorry, I got confused. It's 98 blocks on arena partition and 128 blocks on isect partition. I just tried. This is what I did. The goal is to manually recopy the first arena from the first Venti (arenas1.img) to the second Venti (aren

Re: [9fans] venti backup

2012-01-20 Thread hugo rivera
There's something weird going on. First checkarenas reports % venti/checkarenas -v /dev/da1s4 arena='arenas00' [802816,537673728) version=5 created=1265030300 modified=1265248834 sealed score=f383ebf9edefe8d37733c8caba6ff53e8b5517b0 clumps=82,908 compressed clumps=22,812 da

Re: [9fans] venti backup

2012-01-19 Thread David du Colombier
To clarify things. You backup is correct, but it's not necessary to backup the first 128 blocks of the arena partition. Its only contains the Venti configuration and the ArenaPart structure. Here is an example of what I described in my precedent message. Create an arena partition at least as big

Re: [9fans] venti backup

2012-01-19 Thread David du Colombier
> It seems that the backup I create is not correct, am I right? You truncated your arena partition. The new partition size doesn't match the size specified in ArenaPart. You should format a new arena partition, then copy arenas from the beginning of the first to the end of the last. -- David du

Re: [9fans] venti backup

2012-01-19 Thread hugo rivera
Just to make sure I could rebuild things in case I should, I've tried to recover everything from my backed up arenas, but I failed. I am not sure if things go wrong because the backup per se is wrong or I am making a mistake while recovering from the backup (or both). So this is how I create the ba

Re: [9fans] venti backup

2012-01-17 Thread hugo rivera
Great. Thanks. I hope I will never need to use my backed up arenas :-) 2012/1/17 Steve Simon : >> So it seems sufficient to backup my arenas, am I >> right? > > Yes, exactly, I haev done this several times. > > It might take a few hours and some studying of manuals > but the arenas are all you nee

Re: [9fans] venti backup

2012-01-17 Thread David du Colombier
> I've backed up all my *active* arenas in to another disk, just to be > safe. The man page says that the index and the bloom filter may be > rebuilt if lost. So it seems sufficient to backup my arenas, am I > right? Yes, you can rebuild the index and the Bloom filter with 'venti/buildindex -b'.

Re: [9fans] venti backup

2012-01-17 Thread Steve Simon
> So it seems sufficient to backup my arenas, am I > right? Yes, exactly, I haev done this several times. It might take a few hours and some studying of manuals but the arenas are all you need. -Steve

[9fans] venti backup

2012-01-17 Thread hugo rivera
Hello, I've backed up all my *active* arenas in to another disk, just to be safe. The man page says that the index and the bloom filter may be rebuilt if lost. So it seems sufficient to backup my arenas, am I right? saludos, -- Hugo

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-07 Thread Bakul Shah
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 15:03:11 EST erik quanstrom wrote: > > > > venti doesn't have a "scrub" command, does it? zfs scrub was > > > > instrumental in warning me that I needed new disks. > > > > > > they're using coraid storage. all this is taken care of for them > > > by the SR appliance. > > >

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread Aram Hăvărneanu
erik quanstrom wrote: > do you have a citation for this?  i know if you work out the > numbers from the BER, this is about what you get, but in > practice i do not see this 8%.  we do pattern writes all the > time, and i can't recall the last time i saw a "silent" read error. Yes, the real numbers

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Jan 5 16:24:58 EST 2012, yari...@gmail.com wrote: > 2012/1/5 Bakul Shah : > > You'd save a bunch of energy if you only powered up venti > > disks once @ 4AM for a few minutes (and on demand when you > > look at /n/dump).  Though venti might have fits! And the disks > > might too! So may be

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread Yaroslav
2012/1/5 Bakul Shah : > You'd save a bunch of energy if you only powered up venti > disks once @ 4AM for a few minutes (and on demand when you > look at /n/dump).  Though venti might have fits! And the disks > might too! So may be this calls for a two level venti? First > to an SSD RAID and a much

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread Steve Simon
> You'd save a bunch of energy if you only powered up venti > disks once @ 4AM for a few minutes (and on demand when you > look at /n/dump). If fossil is setup to dump to venti then it needs venti to work at all. Fossil is a write cache, so, just after the dump at 4am fossil is empty and consists

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread erik quanstrom
> > > venti doesn't have a "scrub" command, does it? zfs scrub was > > > instrumental in warning me that I needed new disks. > > > > they're using coraid storage. all this is taken care of for them > > by the SR appliance. > > When are you going to sell these retail?! > > The question was for ve

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread Bakul Shah
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:50:48 EST erik quanstrom wrote: > > You'd save a bunch of energy if you only powered up venti > > disks once @ 4AM for a few minutes (and on demand when you > > look at /n/dump). Though venti might have fits! And the disks > > might too! So may be this calls for a two leve

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread Bakul Shah
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:43:49 EST erik quanstrom wrote: > On Thu Jan 5 13:26:16 EST 2012, ba...@bitblocks.com wrote: > > On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:01:52 EST erik quanstrom wr > ote: > > > > if you read 1TB, you have 8% chance of a silent bad read > > > > sector. More important to worry about that

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread erik quanstrom
> For reference, I set up our current Plan 9 system about half a year > ago. We have 3.8 TB of Venti storage total. We have used 2.8 GB of > that, with basically no precautions taken to set anything +t; in > general, if it's around at 4 a.m., it's going into Venti. I figure we > have roughly ano

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread ron minnich
but john, the whole your venti would easily fit in even a small server memory, now and forever ;) ron

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Jan 5 14:13:55 EST 2012, ara...@mgk.ro wrote: > >> venti doesn't have a "scrub" command, does it? zfs scrub was > >> instrumental in warning me that I needed new disks. > > > > they're using coraid storage.  all this is taken care of for them > > by the SR appliance. > > Out of curiosity,

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread Aram Hăvărneanu
>> venti doesn't have a "scrub" command, does it? zfs scrub was >> instrumental in warning me that I needed new disks. > > they're using coraid storage.  all this is taken care of for them > by the SR appliance. Out of curiosity, how? ZFS blocks are checksummed. ZFS scrub reads not physical block

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread erik quanstrom
> You'd save a bunch of energy if you only powered up venti > disks once @ 4AM for a few minutes (and on demand when you > look at /n/dump). Though venti might have fits! And the disks > might too! So may be this calls for a two level venti? First > to an SSD RAID and a much less frequent venti/co

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread John Floren
> On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 10:07:08 PST "John Floren" wrote: >> >> For reference, I set up our current Plan 9 system about half a year >> ago. We have 3.8 TB of Venti storage total. We have used 2.8 GB of >> that, with basically no precautions taken to set anything +t; in >> general, if it's around

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Jan 5 13:26:16 EST 2012, ba...@bitblocks.com wrote: > On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:01:52 EST erik quanstrom > wrote: > > > if you read 1TB, you have 8% chance of a silent bad read > > > sector. More important to worry about that in today's world > > > than optimizing disk space use. > > > >

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread Bakul Shah
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 10:07:08 PST "John Floren" wrote: > > For reference, I set up our current Plan 9 system about half a year > ago. We have 3.8 TB of Venti storage total. We have used 2.8 GB of > that, with basically no precautions taken to set anything +t; in > general, if it's around at 4 a

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread Bakul Shah
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:01:52 EST erik quanstrom wrote: > > if you read 1TB, you have 8% chance of a silent bad read > > sector. More important to worry about that in today's world > > than optimizing disk space use. > > do you have a citation for this? i know if you work out the > numbers from

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread tlaronde
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 10:07:08AM -0800, John Floren wrote: > > For reference, I set up our current Plan 9 system about half a year > ago. We have 3.8 TB of Venti storage total. We have used 2.8 GB of > that, with basically no precautions taken to set anything +t; in > general, if it's around a

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread tlaronde
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 09:36:13AM -0800, ron minnich wrote: > I doubt anyone would object if you want to change the text and submit > to the website owners. That was my intention, but before, I wanted to submit to the list some stuff, in order to not publish nonsense. [But probably some people eq

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread erik quanstrom
> if you read 1TB, you have 8% chance of a silent bad read > sector. More important to worry about that in today's world > than optimizing disk space use. do you have a citation for this? i know if you work out the numbers from the BER, this is about what you get, but in practice i do not see th

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread John Floren
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:15 AM, wrote: >> But perhaps the other users are smart enough to have understood all this >> at installation time, but when I first installed Plan9, that was not for >> the archival features. And I spent my time on Plan9 looking for the >> distributed system, the names

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread Bakul Shah
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 17:39:07 +0100 tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: > On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 10:44:18AM -0500, Russ Cox wrote: > > > > The default is that you have so little data in comparison to a > > modern disk that there is no good reason not to save full > > snapshots. As Erik and others have p

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread ron minnich
I doubt anyone would object if you want to change the text and submit to the website owners. ron

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread David du Colombier
The third edition was published in june 2000. It predates both Venti (april 2002) and Fossil (january 2003). This documentation was about installing Plan 9 on a standalone terminal running kfs, not a file server. -- David du Colombier

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread tlaronde
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 10:44:18AM -0500, Russ Cox wrote: > > The default is that you have so little data in comparison to a > modern disk that there is no good reason not to save full > snapshots. As Erik and others have pointed out, if you do > find reason to exclude certain trees from the snap

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread Russ Cox
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:15 AM, wrote: > But perhaps the other users are smart enough to have understood all this > at installation time, but when I first installed Plan9, that was not for > the archival features. And I spent my time on Plan9 looking for the > distributed system, the namespace a

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread tlaronde
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 02:48:10PM +0100, David du Colombier wrote: > > Fossil and Venti are very flexible, you can do almost > everything you want. No doubt about that. But perhaps the other users are smart enough to have understood all this at installation time, but when I first installed Plan

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread tlaronde
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 09:14:28AM -0500, erik quanstrom wrote: > > Because I use CVS (not on Plan9), and I backup my CVS. So, sources with > > history. I do not consider CDROM to be eternal. So there is a small > > number kept, and the older is destroyed when the new one is burnt. > > sorry. i t

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Jan 5 08:28:57 EST 2012, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: > On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 02:20:34PM +0100, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: > > And finally, didn't the increase in size of the disks, with > >no decrease > > > no increase, of course. If probability of a failure for a sector i

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread erik quanstrom
> Because I use CVS (not on Plan9), and I backup my CVS. So, sources with > history. I do not consider CDROM to be eternal. So there is a small > number kept, and the older is destroyed when the new one is burnt. sorry. i thought we were talking about organizing plan 9 storage. never mind

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread David du Colombier
I am not sure to understand your question. Nothing forces you to dump the full Fossil tree to Venti every night. You can run snap manually every time you want, or run it only on a part of the tree. You can also individually exclude some files from the snapshots using the DMTMP bit. If you really

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread tlaronde
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 08:27:50AM -0500, erik quanstrom wrote: > > > Secondly, I still use optical definitive storage from time to time > > (disks go in a vault)... with KerGIS and others, and kerTeX, this still > > fit 3 times on a CDROM. So... > > if you are using venti, there is no reason to

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread erik quanstrom
> Perhaps, but it seems to me like digging ore, extracting the small > percentage of valuable; forging a ring; and throwing it in the ore, and > storing the whole... generally it's apparent which files are worth investigating, and between history (list of changes by date) and a binary search, it s

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread tlaronde
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 02:20:34PM +0100, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: > And finally, didn't the increase in size of the disks, with >no decrease no increase, of course. If probability of a failure for a sector is P, increasing the number of sectors increases the probability of disk f

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread tlaronde
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 07:59:00AM -0500, erik quanstrom wrote: > > So the compiled result is not worth archiving. > > it has been more than once that in tracking down a problem, i've > found that the "known working" executable worked but the source > from that point in history didn't. and vice v

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread erik quanstrom
> So the compiled result is not worth archiving. it has been more than once that in tracking down a problem, i've found that the "known working" executable worked but the source from that point in history didn't. and vice versa. having the executables and libraries archived was very valuable. o

[9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread tlaronde
Hello, Summary of the previous epidodes: My Plan9 installation was still the initial one as far as partitionning is concerned. Since I had not grasped the venti purpose, "other" was empty, everything going into the venti archived. And I was doing a number of install/de-install of kerTeX for tests

Re: [9fans] Venti Server: Connection reset error

2010-09-20 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:34 AM, raghuveer wrote: > I setup Venti (from plan9 port for user space) on an x86 box. When my > program issues vtwrite( ) call, i get the following error:- > > vtversion /dev/fd/10: vtversion: Connection reset by peer > vtversion /dev/fd/11: vtversion: Connection reset

[9fans] Venti Server: Connection reset error

2010-09-20 Thread raghuveer
I setup Venti (from plan9 port for user space) on an x86 box. When my program issues vtwrite( ) call, i get the following error:- vtversion /dev/fd/10: vtversion: Connection reset by peer vtversion /dev/fd/11: vtversion: Connection reset by peer vtversion /dev/fd/10: vtversion: Connection reset by

[9fans] venti default memory allocation

2010-07-04 Thread Richard Miller
There have been grumblings in 9fans from time to time about venti allocating bizarre quantities of memory when explicit cache sizes are not given by parameters or config file definitions. The default apparently is attempting to use 20% of available RAM in proportions suggested by venti(8), but it

Re: [9fans] Venti problem...?

2010-05-07 Thread erik quanstrom
> > After the reboot I can see: > > 2010/0427 20:53:40 err 4: read /dev/sdC0/isect offset 0xe70c8000 count > > 65536 buf 20ae000 returned 0: > > /boot/venti: part /dev/sdC0/isect addr 0xe6c68000: icachewritesect > > readpart: read /dev/sdC0/isect offset 0xe70c8000 count 65536 buf > > 20ae000 return

Re: [9fans] Venti problem...?

2010-05-02 Thread erik quanstrom
> After the reboot I can see: > 2010/0427 20:53:40 err 4: read /dev/sdC0/isect offset 0xe70c8000 count > 65536 buf 20ae000 returned 0: > /boot/venti: part /dev/sdC0/isect addr 0xe6c68000: icachewritesect > readpart: read /dev/sdC0/isect offset 0xe70c8000 count 65536 buf > 20ae000 returned 0: i don

[9fans] Venti problem...?

2010-04-30 Thread Pavel Klinkovsky
Hi all, I installed Erik's 9atom.iso (official distribution fails to perform the bios boot): - fossil+venti - disk structure (proposed by installation process) 100 MB 9fat 512 B nvram 38057 MB fossil 190288 MB arenas 9514 MB isect 512 MB swap After the reboot I can see: 2010/0427 20:53:40 err 4:

Re: [9fans] Venti r/o directory

2010-02-10 Thread maht
so you're completely disk bound? if disk activity on the windows box is also low, your venti machine must be suffering. It took just over 8 hours to copy 2.2Gb of data from an idle system to a mostly idle system. The network is 1gbit. So it's not maxing out the disk, not maxing out the cpu

Re: [9fans] Venti r/o directory

2010-02-09 Thread maht
wouldn't it suffice to set temporary permissions of 777 and fixup when leavinging that directory? depth first, so it could be a while in between. Not really a massive problem but still an issue btw. it is a great way to backup.< 1% of CPU while running, which is doubly fortunate beca

Re: [9fans] Venti r/o directory

2010-02-09 Thread erik quanstrom
> But when I unvac the resulting score with 9p9 [sic] on Debian it segfaults > because 'My Documents' is dr-xr-x-- so unvac creates a read only > directory and then tries to write into it. > [...] > > The only general purpose solution I can think of is two passes for unvac > but that doesn't s

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