Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 09:26, erik quanstrom wrote: > > i don't know > > what versions of fat 2e supported, but i would imagine restricting > > oneself to fat16 (and not fat16 lba) would be safest. > > i used fat16, i think lba. i figured plan 9 would be smart enough to > deal with lba and larg

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-13 Thread michael block
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 09:23, John Floren wrote: > Ok, first note that I didn't have any luck with QEMU, I had to install > on an actual 486. i have the same error with both qemu and period hardware. i'm running qemu-8.2.0 and a pentium 266MHz laptop. on the laptop both my freedos partition and s

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-13 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:11 AM, michael block wrote: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 23:49, John Floren wrote: >> With a little help from FreeDOS, I am now successfully running 2e > > i can't get past the first disk. it seems there is no "suitable" fat > partition. no amount of partitioning and formattin

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
> I booted the FreeDOS disk and created a small partition (something > like 50 MB) on the hard disk, leaving the rest unpartitioned. Then I > installed FreeDOS to the small partition and started the Plan 9 > installation. i don't have the 2e sources so i'm guessing. (apologies.)i don't know what

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-13 Thread michael block
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 23:49, John Floren wrote: > With a little help from FreeDOS, I am now successfully running 2e i can't get past the first disk. it seems there is no "suitable" fat partition. no amount of partitioning and formatting under freedos or freebsd results in anything disk one will p

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-08 Thread Tim Newsham
probably the easiest of the three to deal with, if someone were really, really inclined. but really: don't be. these are kernels for very, very outdated platforms, some of which even eBay has trouble turning up. cobbling That's besides the point. This stuff should be saved for posterity, and h

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-08 Thread Benjamin Huntsman
>anyway, to ron's question, for those keeping score: >Sun: released their stuff; recently acquired by Oracle. >NeXT: acquired by Apple, ate it from within. >MIPS: acquired by SGI. a smaller MIPS was then spit out when SGI >realized Itanium was their future (oops). >SGI: went backrupt, twice, then a

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-08 Thread erik quanstrom
> i was going to say that having Plan 9 ported to your platform seemed > like a bad omen for your company, but equally valid is the observation > that being a platform vender (other than Apple) is bad for your > company. ibm seems to be doing ok. but sequent, the original home of ken's fs kernel

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-08 Thread Anthony Sorace
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 11:45, ron minnich wrote: > I wonder how many of the companies involved still exist :-) i suspect ron knows all this already; this is intended for anyone else who comes along and thinks this might make getting 2e CDs out easier (instead of harder). again, this is all from m

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-08 Thread Uriel
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:49 AM, John Floren wrote: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 2:15 AM, Steve Simon wrote: >> As Anthony says it is very very old, but I might >> be fun if you had the time on your hands. The 2nd edition >> books/cdrom are nolonger available but you might find >> a set seccond hand (ab

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-08 Thread ron minnich
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Anthony Sorace wrote: > the CD includes sources to the kernel on platforms which required NDAs > to get the information to do the port. part of the NDA, as i > understand it, required the sorts of restrictions on redistribution in > the commercial license. people hav

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-08 Thread Anthony Sorace
the CD includes sources to the kernel on platforms which required NDAs to get the information to do the port. part of the NDA, as i understand it, required the sorts of restrictions on redistribution in the commercial license. people have tried to get at least some bits of that opened up, and at le

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-07 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 2:15 AM, Steve Simon wrote: > As Anthony says it is very very old, but I might > be fun if you had the time on your hands. The 2nd edition > books/cdrom are nolonger available but you might find > a set seccond hand (abebooks.com etc). > > The floppys are here: > /n/sources/c

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-07 Thread lucio
> The 4th edition should run on a 486, though you will need > (say) 128Mb of ram - much more if you want to recompile gs(1). All versions of Plan 9 need an FPU (awk usually caught me out) so beware of 486SX chips. ++L

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-07 Thread Anthony Sorace
the floppies were available without the book+cd; at least as late as 1996 i remember downloading them from at&t's web site. they represented a fairly minimal system. i don't remember specifically, but it seems likely that there were license terms specific to the download.

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
I was under the impression that it was a sort of evaluation thing, and then I guess you bought the license which gave you source and other stuff. I'm probably wrong. You bought the book set from Prentice Hall. It came with a set of floppies, a CDROM, and a hardcopy of the license (which preclud

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-07 Thread Benjamin Huntsman
>And the floppy is available at >http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/2nd_edition/plan9.att.com/pcdist/ but I >have not tested it, if you do I would love to hear about it. I had found that about a year ago, and was able to get the floppy set up and running in Virtual PC without much trouble. It'll only wo

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-07 Thread Uriel
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Steve Simon wrote: > As Anthony says it is very very old, but I might > be fun if you had the time on your hands. The 2nd edition > books/cdrom are nolonger available but you might find > a set seccond hand (abebooks.com etc). > > The floppys are here: > /n/sources/

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-07 Thread erik quanstrom
> > The 4th edition should run on a 486, though you will need > (say) 128Mb of ram - much more if you want to recompile gs(1). > i got a couple of 64mb via terminals a few years ago. they were fine for normal work, compiling the kernel, even with the giant myricom driver, even with 64mb. cpu(1)

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-07 Thread Steve Simon
As Anthony says it is very very old, but I might be fun if you had the time on your hands. The 2nd edition books/cdrom are nolonger available but you might find a set seccond hand (abebooks.com etc). The floppys are here: /n/sources/contrib/steve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist/ I found a complete mi

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-07 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Anthony Sorace wrote: > that was for 2nd edition. it's now horribly outdated. > > it is also only available under an older, for-pay license that i'm not > sure it's actually possible to buy any more. > > you don't actually want that set unless you're doing archeolog

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-06 Thread Anthony Sorace
that was for 2nd edition. it's now horribly outdated. it is also only available under an older, for-pay license that i'm not sure it's actually possible to buy any more. you don't actually want that set unless you're doing archeology.

[9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-06 Thread John Floren
Looking at the very old mailing list archives, I noticed something about a 3-disk (or was it 4-disk?) floppy-based distribution of the earliest PC dist. Is that still available in some form? I just came into possession of a stack of floppies and a pair of 486s and I'm ready to dare to be stupid.