Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-19 Thread James Chapman
There is also pdftex. This is part of texlive and provides pdflatex. I think texlive and pdftex are more popular/de-facto standard but this is only from personal experience. Also, it would be very nice to see some performance comparison between tex on plan9 and tex on some other platform. Is it f

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-18 Thread Karljurgen Feuerherm
Hi I'm aware of XeTeX (I had mentioned XeLaTeX in an earlier thread), and yes, I understand one wouldn't be looking for identity with what other platforms support. I agree that one shouldn't be looking to ape, but rather to provide the same or more functionality in a better way. Perhaps I'll be ab

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-17 Thread Joel C. Salomon
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Karljurgen Feuerherm wrote: > It occurred to me that a profitable thing to do here would be to mention some > things that would be nice to see in a new improved TeX... I believe > bidirectional was mentioned already. > > The other thing that is essential for folk

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Jorden M
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Karljurgen Feuerherm wrote: > It occurred to me that a profitable thing to do here would be to mention some > things that would be nice to see in a new improved TeX... I believe > bidirectional was mentioned already. > > The other thing that is essential for folk

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Karljurgen Feuerherm
It occurred to me that a profitable thing to do here would be to mention some things that would be nice to see in a new improved TeX... I believe bidirectional was mentioned already. The other thing that is essential for folk like me is complete Unicode compatibility [Yes, I know. UTC has commi

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Karljurgen Feuerherm
Thanks for this. And yes, indeed, a step in the right direction! Best K >>> James Chapman 16/04/2010 2:37:20 pm >>> This page and its links maybe be interesting for understanding the relationship between latex and tex: http://www.tug.org/levels.html In my area of computer science all pub

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread James Chapman
This page and its links maybe be interesting for understanding the relationship between latex and tex: http://www.tug.org/levels.html In my area of computer science all publications are written in latex and for a particular conference/journal a latex class or style file (I must admit to not reall

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Patrick Kelly
>From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net [mailto:9fans-boun...@9fans.net] On Behalf Of >Karljurgen Feuerherm >Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 2:15 PM >To: 'Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs' >Subject: Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah! >Ok--so it's agreed that it's not OO th

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Joseph Stewart
Sorry to be a grouch, but can we change this thread to OO instead of the advertised TeX:hurrah! thread? I'm interested in the TeX news, but not so interested in the OO/language debate that no doubt will go on for a while... Thanks! -joe On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Karljurgen Feuerherm wrot

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Karljurgen Feuerherm
Ok--so it's agreed that it's not OO that's the problem, it's the users, then, who don't know which tool to use when. Not at all the same thing. And to be pedantic, since you give this example, the sun does revolve around the earth, so long as you choose the earth as your point of reference...

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Patrick Kelly
>From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net [mailto:9fans-boun...@9fans.net] On Behalf Of >Karljurgen Feuerherm >Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 1:11 PM >To: 'Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs' >Subject: Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah! > >This doesn't make much sense to me. Ob

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread tlaronde
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 07:46:08PM +0200, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote: > One question. Anyone tried get LaTeX on this TeX port? > What are the missing pieces to make it run on it? I will release/publish the things on Monday I think. In theory, if LaTeX is still a set of macros, it should work w

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Joel C. Salomon
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Alexander Sychev wrote: > IFAIK,  XeTeX/XeLaTeX based on C++ code. XeTeX itself is based on patches to Knuth's WEB source code for TeX. It's the PDF-producing section (xdvipdf or some such) that's written using a C++ library for handling PDF. There will be the s

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Patrick Kelly
Of > Jack Johnson > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 1:05 PM > To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > Subject: Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah! > > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Patrick Kelly wrote: > > Object-Orientation reduces static provability. > > True (or true en

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
One question. Anyone tried get LaTeX on this TeX port? What are the missing pieces to make it run on it? On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 7:17 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> I'm beginning to get the impression (or perhaps >> more accurately am increasingly getting the >> impression) that the plan9 community

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread erik quanstrom
> I'm beginning to get the impression (or perhaps > more accurately am increasingly getting the > impression) that the plan9 community is reactionary > rather than progressive... not a good characteristic > if one is trying to make advances in comparison with > one's predecessors... i think the pl

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Karljurgen Feuerherm
This doesn't make much sense to me. Object-orientation in itself is simply another level of data abstraction. And for the rest, I think "provability" is more theoretical than practical, other than the most trivial programmes. I'm beginning to get the impression (or perhaps more accurately am in

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Jack Johnson
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Patrick Kelly wrote: > Object-Orientation reduces static provability. True (or true enough)? Not to engender a flame war, but my gut says there must be some Eiffel, Smalltalk, and LISP folk out there who are big on provability, but I can imagine that there's a ca

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Patrick Kelly
>From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net [mailto:9fans-boun...@9fans.net] On Behalf Of >Karljurgen Feuerherm >Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:20 PM >To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs >Subject: Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah! >1. "IFAIK"? Can't find that anywhere... >2

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread erik quanstrom
> 2. Is C++ a problem? Not supported by Plan9? not supported by the plan 9 compilers. - erik

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Karljurgen Feuerherm
1. "IFAIK"? Can't find that anywhere... 2. Is C++ a problem? Not supported by Plan9? K >>> Alexander Sychev 16/04/2010 10:27:36 am >>> On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:07:14 +0400, Karljurgen Feuerherm < kfeuerh...@wlu.ca > wrote: > XeTeX/XeLaTeX do this, I believe... Perhaps they can be ported at so

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Alexander Sychev
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:07:14 +0400, Karljurgen Feuerherm wrote: XeTeX/XeLaTeX do this, I believe... Perhaps they can be ported at some point? IFAIK, XeTeX/XeLaTeX based on C++ code. K Karljürgen G. Feuerherm, PhD Department of Archaeology and Classical Studies Wilfrid Laurier Universi

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread James Chapman
LaTeX does too. I have used it with a recent version of TeX Live to get greek and mathematical symbols in verbatim code listings. James On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Karljurgen Feuerherm wrote: > XeTeX/XeLaTeX do this, I believe... Perhaps they can be ported at some > point? > > K > > Karljür

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Karljurgen Feuerherm
XeTeX/XeLaTeX do this, I believe... Perhaps they can be ported at some point? K Karljürgen G. Feuerherm, PhD Department of Archaeology and Classical Studies Wilfrid Laurier University 75 University Avenue West Waterloo, Ontario N2L 3C5 Tel. (519) 884-1970 x3193 Fax (519) 883-0991 (ATTN Arch. &

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread tlaronde
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 05:32:04PM +0400, Alexander Sychev wrote: > > Have you any plans to adapt the TeX for UTF-8 input? Let me take a rest! ;) But the condition sine qua non to tackle UTF-8 is : run on Plan9. And it runs. I have even some ideas to allow right to left, top to bottom etc. by ch

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Alexander Sychev
Hello! Congratulations! Have you any plans to adapt the TeX for UTF-8 input? On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:57:56 +0400, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: So it compiles without ado under Plan9! And it's pure C89 (POSIX is just for the framework, not for the code: I have removed unneeded dependencies).

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread David Leimbach
Nice work! On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 4:57 AM, wrote: > So it compiles without ado under Plan9! And it's pure C89 (POSIX is just > for the framework, not for the code: I have removed unneeded > dependencies). And it's all the latest versions of the programs. > > So some numbers: >- You will

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Jacob Todd
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 01:57:56PM +0200, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: > ... Nice work. Can't wait to try it. -- I am a man who does not exist for others. pgp5W3AtIaNFY.pgp Description: PGP signature

[9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread tlaronde
So it compiles without ado under Plan9! And it's pure C89 (POSIX is just for the framework, not for the code: I have removed unneeded dependencies). And it's all the latest versions of the programs. So some numbers: - You will need to download a bundle of 4 chunks (I will put all on