On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 2:42 PM, David Leimbach wrote:
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> On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:47 PM, John Floren wrote:
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>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:23 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
>>> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657135
>>> Dave
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>> The best part of these kind of threads
I was replying to guih.lino _at_ gmail.com
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 2:35 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
> Who are you replying to again? This thread has become total nonsense.
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jun 17, 2011, at 4:03 PM, simon softnet wrote:
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> I still think your contribution is null an
Who are you replying to again? This thread has become total nonsense.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 17, 2011, at 4:03 PM, simon softnet wrote:
> I still think your contribution is null and irritating.
> First of all, it's too long and it doesn't say anything of essence.
> What's all this mumbling
I still think your contribution is null and irritating.
First of all, it's too long and it doesn't say anything of essence.
What's all this mumbling about your girlfriend and gamers?
Thanks for suggesting that I try and use vim in unix.
I am 26 years old now. I have been using vim since I was 17 i
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:47 PM, John Floren wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:23 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
>> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657135
>> Dave
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> The best part of these kind of threads is how they bring out all the
> people who we've never, ever seen po
> And I can point the worst application I ever had to use to be Cadence Orcad
> Layout version 9.2/10 (I didn't bothered to use a newer version because the
> harm was made). This one has long and deep menus, hard to remember shortcuts
> and simply you couldn't prioritize the interface to have what
As many already pointed out, the "keyboard vs mouse" debate is, somehow,
useless. It's actually the application you use to be made to use the
keyboard and mouse in a efficient manner.
The most productive applications I used (in general, for the jobs they were
intended) were Blender, Labcenter Prote
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:23 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657135
> Dave
The best part of these kind of threads is how they bring out all the
people who we've never, ever seen post before--the "been meaning to
try this Plan 9 thing" brigade, etc.
John
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Guilherme Lino wrote:
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> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:31 PM, simon softnet wrote:
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>> Some people's contribution to this discussion is really null and
>> irritating..
>> They go like "Pfff Apple did this for the customers! oh yeah, and by the
>> way, the keyboar
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:31 PM, simon softnet wrote:
> Some people's contribution to this discussion is really null and
> irritating..
> They go like "Pfff Apple did this for the customers! oh yeah, and by the
> way, the keyboard is faster in general"
> Well, at least apple has indeed made the e
On Friday, June 17, 2011 12:57:37 AM Guilherme Lino wrote:
> oh yea a apple R&D from 1989 that justifies everything
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Heheh, and you know it's worse even than that. Because, _what_
Apple R&D? Where can I review the tests and measurements - and
the parameters involved thereof - performed in this
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:59:31 +0300 Harri Haataja wrote:
> On 17 June 2011 19:54, Bakul Shah wrote:
> > I am all for more intuitive HCI design but frankly, if the small speed
> > difference either way in mousing vs typing saves you enough time to make it
> > worth retraining your brain and finger
I agree with the wait-lock theory of clicking keys, it applies to just about
anything involving intention, execution and outcome. "Good it worked!" or
"DOH!WTF?" .. these impressions I think are at the heart of a human,
experimentation=survival thing. That said, I also agree that the ideal
interfac
On 17 June 2011 19:54, Bakul Shah wrote:
> I am all for more intuitive HCI design but frankly, if the small speed
> difference either way in mousing vs typing saves you enough time to make it
> worth retraining your brain and fingers, you are spending way too much time
> in front of the puter and
I am all for more intuitive HCI design but frankly, if the small speed
difference either way in mousing vs typing saves you enough time to make it
worth retraining your brain and fingers, you are spending way too much time in
front of the puter and have already shortened your life by more than y
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Paul Lalonde wrote:
> It sounds easy. But few folks on this list are HCI researchers (I'll tell
> you it's odd going from GPU design to HCI - but it's fun!).
> None of the micro-tasks (mouse vs keyboard) that folks are going on about on
> this list is meaningful
It sounds easy. But few folks on this list are HCI researchers (I'll tell
you it's odd going from GPU design to HCI - but it's fun!).
None of the micro-tasks (mouse vs keyboard) that folks are going on about on
this list is meaningful to measure. We know keyboards are good for some
things, and m
On Jun 17, 2011, at 5:16 AM, Noah Evans wrote:
> .., a bit
> disappointed that people seem content to rely on intuition rather than
> measurement to understand the problem.
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The assumption that something is fact or obvious I've observed is indeed often
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Guilherme Lino wrote:
> better with it... but generally keyboard is much faster on most day tasks,
> people just don't have the patience to learn it
>
Measuring the keyboard versus mouse speed is such a trivial experiment
to repeat.
Still, as Noah pointed out, peo
Some people's contribution to this discussion is really null and
irritating..
They go like "Pfff Apple did this for the customers! oh yeah, and by the
way, the keyboard is faster in general"
Well, at least apple has indeed made the effort to publish a research!
Attracting customers or not, this doe
Now that you mention the trackpoint - is there an easy way to fit one
into my cherry keyboard?
Also, where is my wearable wireless thumb trackpoint?
On Friday 17 of June 2011 12:36:21 Rogelio Serrano wrote:
> i hate typing a few words than grabbing for the mouse then click then
> back to typing a few more words etc etc...
the layout of your desk matters. Most important, the angles of your arm when
using mouse. Second mouse shape, third the di
> I have been working in a visually impaired school and I told to the
> list what I saw.
> For me is easier to use the mouse than the keyboard-shortcuts, but for
> blind people mouse is useless and they are heavy users of computers,
> it is not the same as your example.
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http://www.hawking.org.uk/
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Rob Pike wrote:
> If you like mousing, mouse. If you like typing, type. One could even
> imagine doing one or the other as appropriate.
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> Eating is faster than singing.
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> -rob
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i hate typing a few words than grabbing for the mouse then click then
back to ty
hello
this reminds me something:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9kTVZiJ3Uc&feature=related
slds.
gabi
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Rob Pike wrote:
> If you like mousing, mouse. If you like typing, type. One could even
> imagine doing one or the other as appropriate.
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> Eating is fast
If you like mousing, mouse. If you like typing, type. One could even
imagine doing one or the other as appropriate.
Eating is faster than singing.
-rob
> [...]
I'd like to point out that mice (or rather, pointing devices) come in
different flavours. IBM's trackpoint, is, in my view, rather different
device from usability perspective, and most of the mouse critique in
this thread or elsewhere doesn't apply to it, while many of the stated
benefits
On Jun 16, 2:57 pm, pau...@gmail.com (Gorka Guardiola) wrote:
> On Jun 16, 2011, at 9:30 AM, "antonio@gmail.com"
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> > For blind people the mouse is useless.
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> To people who cannot move, a
> keyboard is useless. What is your point
> exactly?. You have a braille line driver
> and a brail
What I find really curious about the mouse vs keyboard argument is
that so few people are willing to test and quantify it. I ran into an
HCI researcher a while back and posed the mouse/keyboard question to
him and he just said "Fitts's law"(ie. that the mouse requires more
movement and therefore it
> wrong malign list
Indubitably!
oh yea a apple R&D from 1989 that justifies everything, they're not even
trying to sell mac os computers < irony >
its like Microsoft release a study saying widows are better than apples
or even microsoft is more productive than macOS or linux
just in a quick google search
http://gizmodo.com/34843
On Jun 16, 2011, at 9:30 AM, "antonio@gmail.com"
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> For blind people the mouse is useless.
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> An the computers world have opened a new world of opportunities for
> the blind. Before this era, they had to use heavy machines to write,
> and big, heavy and expensive books to read or stu
On Jun 15, 12:25 pm, leim...@gmail.com (David Leimbach) wrote:
> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657135
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> Dave
For blind people the mouse is useless.
An the computers world have opened a new world of opportunities for
the blind. Before this era, they had to use heavy machines to write,
and
On Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:46:39 PM Charles Forsyth wrote:
> i've just got back to reading the list to find that
> some people clearly have no difficulty using a keyboard!
>
And it's certainly comforting to know that some folks really know
their way around a mouse!
i've just got back to reading the list to find that
some people clearly have no difficulty using a keyboard!
On Wednesday, June 15, 2011 01:30:37 PM andrey mirtchovski wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 2:19 PM, errno wrote:
> > [words like "bazillion"]
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> can you summarize what you wrote using less keystrokes? the time spent
> thinking your message through is certainly worth the delay in clicking
> "sen
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 2:19 PM, errno wrote:
> [words like "bazillion"]
can you summarize what you wrote using less keystrokes? the time spent
thinking your message through is certainly worth the delay in clicking
"send".
On Wednesday, June 15, 2011 09:27:49 AM Jacob Todd wrote:
> There's an article on the wiki containing links to related info, also.
>
Does anyone have the actual text of this $50 million dollar research
apple performed? Does anyone know the actual parameters and
proficiency levels of the human subj
On Wednesday 15 June 2011 20:16:49 Connor Lane Smith wrote:
> (...) The optimal
> solution is to use *both* the mouse and keyboard, because they each
> have their advantages. Doesn't that seem reasonable?
Yep.
It's the FWD vs. RWD drive depacle all over again. You can stunts drive with
RWD, you
On 15 June 2011 21:16, Connor Lane Smith wrote:
> is not better than the keyboard for other commands. The study from
> 1989 is basically based around the claim that it "takes two seconds to
> decide upon which special-function key to press." I'm sorry, does
> anyone truly believe that it takes a
Hey,
Honestly I think both sides of this argument are completely absurd.
Yes, the mouse is best for selecting points and ranges. No, the mouse
is not better than the keyboard for other commands. The study from
1989 is basically based around the claim that it "takes two seconds to
decide upon which
> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657135
I've recently attached a mouse to my computer just to experiment with
acme of plan9 from user space, and I really liked it.
I wonder, though, if we could operate acme as a window manager like,
say, wmii. For instance, could I write a script in acme t
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Jack Norton wrote:
> Would Plan 9 (rio) benefit from a default mapping of magic keystrokes that
> correspond to certain actions? I think so. But only as a means of saving
> your ass when your mouse explodes. Even then, grab another pc and drawterm
> or cpu in.
>
dexen deVries wrote:
On Wednesday 15 of June 2011 18:23:56 David Leimbach wrote:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657135
I'm getting tired of the level of groupthink. Yesterday it was about
Anthropogenetic Global Warming^W^W^W Anthropogenic Climate Change (with a
comment stating pretty m
On Wednesday 15 of June 2011 18:23:56 David Leimbach wrote:
> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657135
I'm getting tired of the level of groupthink. Yesterday it was about
Anthropogenetic Global Warming^W^W^W Anthropogenic Climate Change (with a
comment stating pretty much ``whether the themp
There's an article on the wiki containing links to related info, also.
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657135
Dave
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