J.R. Mauro and Balwinder S Dheeman
> Gentoo and, or FreeBSD
please stop polluting. thanks.
On 04/20/2009 11:46 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote:
>>> The update/installation process in Ubuntu sucks. If you try something
>>> using BSD ports or Gentoo portage, you can fine tune things and have
>>> explicit control over the update process.
>> I don't think so, one can acquire a complete control over any
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Steve Simon wrote:
> > Let me repeat that the question is/was, "Who uses Plan9 in the Offices,
> > homes and, or cafes for commercial and, or industrial application".
>
> I use plan9 at home and at work as a development environment. It is my
> primary desktop OS,
> Let me repeat that the question is/was, "Who uses Plan9 in the Offices,
> homes and, or cafes for commercial and, or industrial application".
I use plan9 at home and at work as a development environment. It is my
primary desktop OS, though I do VNC onto other OSs to use more complex
websites (li
>>
>> The update/installation process in Ubuntu sucks. If you try something
>> using BSD ports or Gentoo portage, you can fine tune things and have
>> explicit control over the update process.
>
> I don't think so, one can acquire a complete control over any common
> Linux distribution, can opt for
On Mon Apr 20 11:04:31 EDT 2009, urie...@gmail.com wrote:
> We can't tell you who uses Plan 9, because it is a secret and they
> don't want anyone to learn about their secret competitive advantage.
> /sarcasm (But still sadly true.)
i have a counterexample.
coraid, inc. uses plan 9. it's a big
We can't tell you who uses Plan 9, because it is a secret and they
don't want anyone to learn about their secret competitive advantage.
/sarcasm (But still sadly true.)
uriel
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Balwinder S Dheeman
wrote:
> On 04/18/2009 01:02 AM, Gorka Guardiola wrote:
>> On Fri,
sorry if I read wrong, but I thought the thread was "Help for home
user discovering Plan 9"
not "FreeBSD and Linux rule" or "Who uses Plan 9?"
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:
> On 04/18/2009 01:02 AM, Gorka Guardiola wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Balwinde
On 04/18/2009 01:02 AM, Gorka Guardiola wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Balwinder S Dheeman
> wrote:
>> Please set aside rare cases and let us know who except for the students,
>> teachers and, or researchers uses Plan9 and, or Inferno in the offices,
>> homes and, or cafes and for what
On 04/18/2009 05:47 AM, Robert Raschke wrote:
> On 4/17/09, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:
>> Please set aside rare cases and let us know who except for the students,
>> teachers and, or researchers uses Plan9 and, or Inferno in the offices,
>> homes and, or cafes and for what?
>
> At the risk (or ma
On 04/18/2009 11:23 AM, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
>> Every time I have to use something like
>> Linux or MS, I feel overwhelmed by the sheer complexity of it all.
>
> Possibly OT, my main beef with Linux and Windows is that they keep
> wanting to update themselves and the effort to "manage" thes
On 04/18/2009 11:36 AM, J.R. Mauro wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:47 AM, wrote:
>>> Every time I have to use something like
>>> Linux or MS, I feel overwhelmed by the sheer complexity of it all.
>> Possibly OT, my main beef with Linux and Windows is that they keep
>> wanting to update themsel
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Eris Discordia
wrote:
>> Actually, I used Windows for years before discovering something
>> better. I explicitly disabled updates in XP, and it would insist on
>> looking for them and bothering me about them, anyway.
>
> I put it here for I don't know what to call
Actually, I used Windows for years before discovering something
better. I explicitly disabled updates in XP, and it would insist on
looking for them and bothering me about them, anyway.
I put it here for I don't know what to call it--shall we say... historical
record?--how to turn off your Wind
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Eris Discordia
wrote:
>> That is a lie. There are updates which (at least on XP) you could
>> never refuse. Nevermind the fact that Windows would have to restart
>> more than once on a typical series of updates.
>
> Windows isn't really the subject on this thread o
That is a lie. There are updates which (at least on XP) you could
never refuse. Nevermind the fact that Windows would have to restart
more than once on a typical series of updates.
Windows isn't really the subject on this thread or this list. Except when
someone goes out of their way to nonsens
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:20 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> Seriously, give Gentoo portage a try. There is a sane package
>> management system for Linux.
>
> if you don't upgrade in lock step you will get into dependency hell.
> portage is now exactly what its developers railed against — rpm
> depe
>> It's like I'm seeing an apparition of myself back more than a year ago. No
>> wonder 9fans got to dislike me so much. Do 9fans get nuisances like me in
>> regular intervals?
>
>
> yes, they come and they go. But there's always one. Never more,
> according to Yoda.
I think I can see why. In f
> Seriously, give Gentoo portage a try. There is a sane package
> management system for Linux.
if you don't upgrade in lock step you will get into dependency hell.
portage is now exactly what its developers railed against — rpm
dependency hell. portage just kicks the can down the street a bit.
i
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 6:00 AM, Eris Discordia
wrote:
> It's like I'm seeing an apparition of myself back more than a year ago. No
> wonder 9fans got to dislike me so much. Do 9fans get nuisances like me in
> regular intervals?
yes, they come and they go. But there's always one. Never more,
acc
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Eris Discordia
wrote:
> This thing about Windows updates, I think it's a non-issue. It's not like
> updates are mandatory and, as a matter of fact, there's rather fine-grained
> classification of them on Microsoft's knowledge base which can be used by
> any more or
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:11 AM, wrote:
>> The update/installation process in Ubuntu sucks. If you try something
>> using BSD ports or Gentoo portage, you can fine tune things and have
>> explicit control over the update process.
>
> I was specifically omitting BSD ports, as they are in a differe
This thing about Windows updates, I think it's a non-issue. It's not like
updates are mandatory and, as a matter of fact, there's rather fine-grained
classification of them on Microsoft's knowledge base which can be used by
any more or less experienced user to identify exactly what they need for
> The update/installation process in Ubuntu sucks. If you try something
> using BSD ports or Gentoo portage, you can fine tune things and have
> explicit control over the update process.
I was specifically omitting BSD ports, as they are in a different
league. The point I _was_ making is that one
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:47 AM, wrote:
>> Every time I have to use something like
>> Linux or MS, I feel overwhelmed by the sheer complexity of it all.
>
> Possibly OT, my main beef with Linux and Windows is that they keep
> wanting to update themselves and the effort to "manage" these updates
>
> Every time I have to use something like
> Linux or MS, I feel overwhelmed by the sheer complexity of it all.
Possibly OT, my main beef with Linux and Windows is that they keep
wanting to update themselves and the effort to "manage" these updates
is enormous (less so with Ubuntu, but still great)
On 4/17/09, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:
> Please set aside rare cases and let us know who except for the students,
> teachers and, or researchers uses Plan9 and, or Inferno in the offices,
> homes and, or cafes and for what?
At the risk (or maybe honour :-) of being branded as a rare case (I'm
nei
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:
>
> Please set aside rare cases and let us know who except for the students,
> teachers and, or researchers uses Plan9 and, or Inferno in the offices,
> homes and, or cafes and for what?
>
> The Plan9 project started in 1980, took around
>> It lacks usual
>> buttons for minimizing (hiding), maximizing, controlling windows. You
>> can't even send a window to background and even if Inferno's wm has some
>> of these including title bars, but the meanings and, or behavior of the
>> same is quite different from other popular GUI systems
> The Plan9 project started in 1980, took around 9 years to be solid
> enough to be usable and that too by the internal and, or lab people
> [http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/9.html] only.
I was using plan9 outside of bell labs in 1993 - not very aggressively
I admit but I didn't have the skils
It's like I'm seeing an apparition of myself back more than a year ago. No
wonder 9fans got to dislike me so much. Do 9fans get nuisances like me in
regular intervals?
--On Friday, April 17, 2009 1:14 PM + Balwinder S Dheeman
wrote:
On 04/15/2009 05:22 PM, Pietro Gagliardi wrote:
On A
2009/4/17 Eris Discordia :
> It's like I'm seeing an apparition of myself back more than a year ago. No
> wonder 9fans got to dislike me so much. Do 9fans get nuisances like me in
> regular intervals?
>From time to time :)
We have a high conversion rate, though.
--dho
> The Plan9 project started in 1980, took around 9 years to be solid
> enough to be usable and that too by the internal and, or lab people
> [http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/9.html] only.
unless one is speaking in geologic terms, there's a significant difference
between the "mid-1980s" and 198
On Apr 14, 7:15�pm, szhil...@gmail.com (Sergey Zhilkin) wrote:
> > My wireless card is not listed in Plan9.ini. Does that mean there's no
> > way for me to connect with that card?
>
> > Hi !
>
> What type of wireless card you have
>
> --
> ? ?? ???
> ?? ??
> With best r
On 04/15/2009 05:22 PM, Pietro Gagliardi wrote:
> On Apr 15, 2009, at 4:26 AM, Eris Discordia wrote:
>
>> Plan 9 is not intended for home or home office.
>
> True, but that doesn't mean it can't be used in such an environment. I
> type all my reports up in Plan 9.
Please set aside rare cases and
Thanks to everyone again for all the information and ideas. I decided
to try running Plan 9 with Qemu in Ubuntu. I can't use kvm because my
processor doesn't support it. I resized my partitions to make room to
install Ubuntu in its own partition. Before that it was running from a
CD image on my XP
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Steve Simon wrote:
> ...
>> hasn't matured to that point and its age is already
>> past when it had a chance to mature.
>
> Methinks he doth protest too much.
Yes. If you keep thinking of Plan 9 as a Unix variant, you're going to
be continually upset. It doesn't f
...
> hasn't matured to that point and its age is already
> past when it had a chance to mature.
Methinks he doth protest too much.
-Steve
> Now I need to decide whether to install qemu or kvm, and whether to
> install it in Ubuntu or in Debian, and then reorganize my partitions
> accordingly.
I am using 9vx for experimenting and learning a bit, and is good
enough for me. Never mind that it crashes quite often (specially when
you sta
If you phrased this slightly more gently, people may in fact agree
with you.
They'd be agreeing with the wrong formulation, then.
But Plan 9 is a great environment to experiment in.
Sure. So is every nascent or vestigial system.
Anyhow, the thread's originator says he's interested in comput
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Jim Habegger wrote:
>
> Now I need to decide whether to install qemu or kvm, and whether to
> install it in Ubuntu or in Debian, and then reorganize my partitions
> accordingly.
If you want to see Plan 9 run natively on hardware, then I recommend
purchasing one o
> but I
> don't think you can get much from it by way of productivity, unless you
> intend to get productive in software engineering and/or computer science.
If you phrased this slightly more gently, people may in fact agree
with you. Although I find my workstation quite a useful mail agent,
pe
Now I need to decide whether to install qemu or kvm, and whether to
install it in Ubuntu or in Debian, and then reorganize my partitions
accordingly.
QEMU would be the way to go. It seems most people here who run Plan 9 in a
VM do it on QEMU on Linux; you'll have a better chance of getting answ
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Eris Discordia
wrote:
> Plan 9 is not intended for home or home office.
Yes, I understood that from the responses to my questions. As soon as
I read them, I gave up the idea of trying to switch to Plan 9. Now
it's more about enriching my knowledge and experience.
> and its age is already past when it had a chance to mature.
Maturity is relative to what you want your system to do.
But I agree that plan9 is not productive in the youtube/skype/facebook
sense of 'productivity'.
it's technologically innovative and exemplary simple.
Another thing I've learned i
On Apr 15, 2009, at 4:26 AM, Eris Discordia wrote:
Plan 9 is not intended for home or home office.
True, but that doesn't mean it can't be used in such an environment. I
type all my reports up in Plan 9.
I don't know if it's because of bashfulness or what that people aren't
telling it to your face: Plan 9 is not intended for home or home office. It
hasn't matured to that point and its age is already past when it had a
chance to mature. From what I've read on this list it probably serves as
the
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 3:43 AM, Sergey Zhilkin wrote:
> Look at - http://9fans.net/archive/2008/10/304
>
> Plan9 hardware support is limited to those that plan9 users have.
Well, now there's a Plan 9 user with Atheros 5K.
I suppose I could try to port ath5k myself.
I had some experience many y
Look at - http://9fans.net/archive/2008/10/304
Plan9 hardware support is limited to those that plan9 users have.
--
С наилучшими пожеланиями
Жилкин Сергей
With best regards
Zhilkin Sergey
*
*
My Internet socializing now is mostly:
- email
- calling people with Skype
- reading and commenting in blogs
- posting in my own blogs
- reading and posting in the Linux Questions forums
- reading and posting on this list
- Facebook
better keep another system handy, fully featured
Thanks to everyone for all the information and ideas!
At first I was going to try to make Plan 9 my all-purpose system on
this laptop, but for now it looks like I'll just be using it to learn
more about networking and distributed systems. I've tried using
virtual machines in Windows before to run
2009/4/14 Jim Habegger :
> My wireless card is not listed in Plan9.ini. Does that mean there's no
> way for me to connect with that card?
The easy way is to run Plan9 inside a virtual machine like
qemu on Linux or Windows.
Andrés
On Apr 14, 2009, at 8:36 AM, Pietro Gagliardi wrote:
juke(6) for how to go about playing music.
that should be juke(7), sorry.
> I don't think there are video players.
Someone created an ffmpeg port, but I'm not sure if it does video
output or just conversion as I've never actually used it.
--dho
Plan 9 in the home... an interesting experiment. (I am the only one in
my home who uses it.) Enjoy!
My message contains references to files in /n/sources/contrib. When
you get your internet up in Plan 9, use
9fs sources
to gain access to this folder. PostScript and PDF files can be
2009/4/14 Jim Habegger :
> My wireless card is not listed in Plan9.ini. Does that mean there's no
> way for me to connect with that card?
>
> I'd like to learn how much I can use Plan 9 for home office,
> multimedia and Internet socializing, then I'd like to experiment with
> distributing the syste
>
>
> My wireless card is not listed in Plan9.ini. Does that mean there's no
> way for me to connect with that card?
>
> Hi !
What type of wireless card you have
--
С наилучшими пожеланиями
Жилкин Сергей
With best regards
Zhilkin Sergey
We have three Windows laptops in our family. I've been using free
software systems off and on for years. Last week I learned about Plan
9 from Bell Labs, from someone in a Linux Questions forum. Now I have
it installed on a partition on my laptop, along with XP,
Ubuntu-on-NTFS, Debian, and Slackwar
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