Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-23 Thread maht
Some potential enterprise users might also get interested in running many Plan 9 instances on Microsoft Virtual Server platform after seeing it run on Virtual PC (Due to its light weight Plan 9 may be a good choice for some virtual hosting services). might makes right ?

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-23 Thread Eris Discordia
To whom it may concern: had the right patches for Plan 9 to work on Virtual PC been incorporated and a new ISO released half the complaints from Windows users who want to give Plan 9 a try would disappear. Some potential enterprise users might also get interested in running many Plan 9 instances

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-23 Thread Jim Habegger
My Plan 9 training is temporarily suspended while I learn to use QEMU. That's funny because I suspended my Slackware training to learn to use Plan 9. Now I might suspend my QEMU training to try out some other virtualizers. Also, I got a FreeDOS image to use for my QEMU training, so I may wander o

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-21 Thread Jim Habegger
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 8:29 AM, wrote: > Yeah, don't let my message from earlier scare you off... I was just > cranky at the prospect of a long day of classes ;) The point of a > mailing list isn't to see how few messages we can get in a month, > although of course it's not a blog either. Tha

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-21 Thread john
>> I've been posting too much for this kind of list. Sorry. > > Not at all. As long as the questions are genuine and > you're learning from it, your questions are welcome > as far as I'm concerned. The real flamage comes when > a) someone tries to "teach their grandmother to suck > eggs" or b) a

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-21 Thread blstuart
> I've been posting too much for this kind of list. Sorry. Not at all. As long as the questions are genuine and you're learning from it, your questions are welcome as far as I'm concerned. The real flamage comes when a) someone tries to "teach their grandmother to suck eggs" or b) a person seems

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-21 Thread blstuart
> i'm speculating on the design of the auth system. i wasn't > there so i could be wrong. but in order to have a terminal > that many people could log into would require either > (a) killing off the original factotum on logout and changing > eve back to bootes or something. and beware the 1001 p

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-21 Thread blstuart
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Balwinder S Dheeman > wrote: > >> I don't who and why one referred you to try 9vx >> > > Maybe because it's faster, and easy to install. It only took a few minutes > to download it, unpack it, and start using it. It's an easy way to get > acquainted with the Pl

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-21 Thread Karin Willers
Greetings! I think, posting is quite ok! I'm in the same position, having set up Plan 9 on a spare machine and seeing different hurdles to overcome, that seem to be trivial for those who have mastered them, but for a novice in Plan 9 (although I have a long background in the computing industry ...

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-21 Thread Jim Habegger
I've been posting too much for this kind of list. Sorry.

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-21 Thread erik quanstrom
> You could have easily looked at something like /rc/bin/sig or whatever to > figure out the same stuff, but I guess it continues to be easier to post on > 9fans than to think. give the guy a break. he seems to have made a lot of progress and its only natural to be confused by things that would

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-21 Thread john
> I tried webfs and got an error message, so I ran webcookies, and then I was > able to run webfs without an error message. Then I was able to run abaco. > Now I need to learn how to use it. I thought maybe I could just type in a > URL and 2-click "Get," but nothing happened. > You execute "New",

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-21 Thread erik quanstrom
> > - and how to change to a different user without rebooting. there are two answers to this question, depending on if you have a cpu server or a terminal * terminal. don't do that. the plan 9 model is that you really own the hardware and the terminal is not intended to be multi-user. so you d

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-21 Thread erik quanstrom
> I tried webfs and got an error message, so I ran webcookies, and then I was > able to run webfs without an error message. Then I was able to run abaco. > Now I need to learn how to use it. I thought maybe I could just type in a > URL and 2-click "Get," but nothing happened. i can verify that tha

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-21 Thread Jim Habegger
I tried webfs and got an error message, so I ran webcookies, and then I was able to run webfs without an error message. Then I was able to run abaco. Now I need to learn how to use it. I thought maybe I could just type in a URL and 2-click "Get," but nothing happened. I'll need to learn how to acc

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-21 Thread Jim Habegger
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote: > I don't who and why one referred you to try 9vx > Maybe because it's faster, and easy to install. It only took a few minutes to download it, unpack it, and start using it. It's an easy way to get acquainted with the Plan 9 environment,

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-21 Thread Federico G. Benavento
>> term% abaco >> abaco: can't initialize webfs: '/mnt/web/ctl' does not exist > touch $home/lib/webcookies and add "webfs" in your profile ($home/lib/profile) before plumber and rio -- Federico G. Benavento

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-21 Thread Jim Habegger
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Anthony Sorace wrote: > fgb's a person, not a thing you install. > fgb is also the name of the directory containing his system, which is what I meant. I see now that what I installed was actually fgb/contrib.

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-20 Thread Anthony Sorace
$home/lib/profile is run on login; you can stick arbitrary commands in there. note rio's -i option. take a look at glenda's lib/profile and bin/rc/riostart for examples. running "c:" has a good chance of finding and mounting a FAT partition; see dossrv(4). note that c: and dosmnt, like many other

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-20 Thread Jim Habegger
Now I have a list of commands to type every time I boot. I need to learn how to run them automatically.

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-20 Thread john
> ... the manpage > for juke, ... > Juke is really old and kind of painful to use. Easier to just use mp3dec on the command line, but if you must use juke I have some scripts in my contrib (/n/sources/contrib/john/) that will make juke easier to deal with. > Here's what happened when I install

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-20 Thread Jim Habegger
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Jim Habegger wrote: > I'm also planning to look into Inferno and the /9/grid. > > Now, in Plan 9/QEMU/Ubuntu, I need to learn how to access my shared fat > partition, and how to copy and paste between the QEMU window and my other > Ubuntu windows. > - and how to

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-20 Thread Jim Habegger
I'm also planning to look into Inferno and the /9/grid. Now, in Plan 9/QEMU/Ubuntu, I need to learn how to access my shared fat partition, and how to copy and paste between the QEMU window and my other Ubuntu windows.

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-20 Thread Jim Habegger
I've done as much as I can and want to do from the documentation for now. Now I'm working on some of the responses to my posts here. Pietro, I did 9fs sources > and installed fgb. I'm planning to look at that troff tutorial, the manpage for juke, and the files in /sys/doc. Here's what happened

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-20 Thread Balwinder S Dheeman
On 04/19/2009 09:09 PM, Jim Habegger wrote: > Eric and Anthony, thank you. > > I'm stepping through the Plan 9 documentation at > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/documentation/index.html. As you > noticed, Anthony, I missed a step in adding a new user: > > con -l /srv/fscons > > > Tha

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-20 Thread Jim Habegger
Thanks again to everyone for all the help! I did this (thanks Andrey): ndb/cs > ip/ipconfig > ndb/dns -r > Then I took a look at /net/ipselftab and /net/iproute. Then I pinged the gateway (thanks André) and got a response! Then I did (thanks Federico) hget http://google.com > and got some hi

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-19 Thread André Günther
The special case is here that he runs qemu. And the good news is: In qemu you are always in the same simulated network by default. Which is: your IP: 10.0.2.15 gateway: 10.0.2.2 dns: 10.0.2.3 hardcode these and you should be fine. (if you want to connect to the qemu machine: fiddle around wi

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-19 Thread Federico G. Benavento
afaik, I can't ping from qemu, so try hget http://google.com or something On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 2:01 AM, Jim Habegger wrote: > I'm working through the Plan 9 documentation at > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/documentation/index.html. > > I'm running Plan 9 in QEMU in Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-19 Thread andrey mirtchovski
cat /net/ipselftab and /net/iproute to see what address is assigned by ipconfig. also, start ndb/cs. the order is sometimes important, so i always do: ndb/cs ip/ipconfig ndb/dns -r # see man page for that argument cheers! On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Jim Habegger wrote: > I'm working thro

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-19 Thread Jim Habegger
I'm working through the Plan 9 documentation at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/documentation/index.html. I'm running Plan 9 in QEMU in Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex. qemu plan9jim.img -k en-us -no-reboot > I have to wait a few seconds before responding to each prompt, to avoid having it freeze and

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-19 Thread Jim Habegger
Eric and Anthony, thank you. I'm stepping through the Plan 9 documentation at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/documentation/index.html. As you noticed, Anthony, I missed a step in adding a new user: con -l /srv/fscons > That didn't work in 9vx either, I imagine for the reasons you explaine

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-19 Thread Anthony Sorace
Jim Habegger wrote: // Adding a new user: that's not a 9vx issue; either you're misreading the documentation or it's incorrectly written (i'm not sure which bit you're reading for that). those commands are intended to be given to the file server, fossil, after connecting to the console posted in

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-19 Thread erik quanstrom
> john, eric, and yy, thanks! > > 9vx isn't working out very well for me so far. I'm trying to practice > everything in the documentation on the Plan 9 site, then I'll work on the > ideas that have been posted for me here. I was going to practice first in > 9vx, because it's easier to switch back

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-19 Thread Jim Habegger
john, eric, and yy, thanks! 9vx isn't working out very well for me so far. I'm trying to practice everything in the documentation on the Plan 9 site, then I'll work on the ideas that have been posted for me here. I was going to practice first in 9vx, because it's easier to switch back and forth be

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-19 Thread yy
2009/4/19 Jim Habegger : > ... I did learn that I have to press buttons 1 and 3 together, instead of > shift-3, to simulate button 2. IMO, this is a bug. The Shift+Button3 = Button2 behaviour is documented in the man page. I sent a (one-line) patch to Russ, but it looks like it hasn't been applied

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-18 Thread erik quanstrom
> When I installed Plan 9, it took more than an hour to format 2GB. the plan 9 ide driver will use pio unless you tell it to do otherwise. i'm not sure if this applies to qemu, but assuming your emulated drive is sdC0, you can turn on dma with echo dma on > /dev/sdC0/ctl - erik

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-18 Thread john
> > *Challenge 4*: Display size > > My Ubuntu display is 1024x768. The default size of the Plan 9 display is > much smaller, so it wasn't using all the available space on the Ubuntu > display. > > Winning response: I re-installed Plan 9, changing the dimensions at the > prompt. I haven't learne

[9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-18 Thread Jim Habegger
I haven't responded yet to all the info and ideas in my earlier thread, because I've been trying to get Plan 9 working in QEMU. First, I tried using 9vx. I found these instructions at http://swtch.com/9vx/ : 9vx-0.12.tar.bz2 is a binary distribution > containing a minimal plan 9 tree and binaries