Re: [9fans] OT: hard realtime, timing diagram GUI.

2014-05-08 Thread James A. Robinson
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:15 AM, Steve Simon wrote: > Anyone know of such a tool? I see masses of tools for drawing > digital logic timing diagrams but nothing that seems to give > me what I need for realtime code. I haven't done realtime programming, so my apologies if I miss a subtle requirement

Re: [9fans] radio

2014-05-08 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
that's what i was thinking too. i think most of the time, most of the information is available; it's just that they don't show up in a search or no search is done. P.S. i'm sure sp9sss conspiracy theorists will disagree :) On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Steven Stallion wrote: > On Thu, May 8

Re: [9fans] radio

2014-05-08 Thread Steven Stallion
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Steve Simon wrote: > Perhaps we should a page on the wiki: > > "Work in progress" > "Stalled projects" > "Work I plan to progress" > "Work I would like somone to do" > > The theroy is it might inspire people and maybe reduce duplicat

Re: [9fans] radio

2014-05-08 Thread Steve Simon
Perhaps we should a page on the wiki: "Work in progress" "Stalled projects" "Work I plan to progress" "Work I would like somone to do" The theroy is it might inspire people and maybe reduce duplication of effort. Just a thought. -Steve

Re: [9fans] radio

2014-05-08 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
I suggested porting rtlsdr library for a GSoC project, but not takers; if anyone is interested in collaborating on this let me know. the majority of the work is moving the library off of libusb and replacing the pthread junk with thread(2). rtlsdr handles any DVB-T receiver that uses the RTL2832U

Re: [9fans] radio

2014-05-08 Thread Bakul Shah
On Thu, 08 May 2014 18:58:31 BST "Steve Simon" wrote: > I have a hifiberry (http://www.hifiberry.com/) nicely minimalist, > though no driver at present - I will await the GSOC project :-) > I have some itron VFDs from work, 256 x 64 pixel. I like these as > the visibility is excellent. The only a

Re: [9fans] radio

2014-05-08 Thread Steve Simon
I have a hifiberry (http://www.hifiberry.com/) nicely minimalist, though no driver at present - I will await the GSOC project :-) I have some itron VFDs from work, 256 x 64 pixel. I like these as the visibility is excellent. The only annoyance is they have a parallel interface and I use up all the

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread Jeremy Jackins
I'm not trying to weigh in on the discussion. I posted the link in case someone in the community is interested. This software has only been working on plan 9 since fairly recently, thanks to a lot of hard work on the Go port from a few members of this community.

Re: [9fans] radio

2014-05-08 Thread Bakul Shah
On Thu, 08 May 2014 12:06:11 BST "Steve Simon" wrote: > > A little radio app for plan9. This has few features and may not > seem worth the effort to some but it is planned to be the basis for > an embedded radio device so it needs a little GUI and user interface. > > Currently I use this at work

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting Jeremy Jackins : On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: thing, javascript is not a thing that happens on this operating system. Here is a screenshot of a javascript interpreter running on plan 9. https://github.com/robertkrimen/ Are you being deliberately disingenuo

Re: [9fans] OT: hard realtime, timing diagram GUI.

2014-05-08 Thread Daryl M
Steve, The only code timing-diagram-like tool I am aware of is Windriver's WindView for VxWorks. I have successfully used digital logic timing diagrams in the past to view task timing and interaction. They are especially useful for multiprocessor systems. I think the determining factor would be

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread Jeremy Jackins
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > thing, javascript is not a thing that happens on this operating system. > Here is a screenshot of a javascript interpreter running on plan 9. https://github.com/robertkrimen/otto

Re: [9fans] OT: hard realtime, timing diagram GUI.

2014-05-08 Thread Bakul Shah
On May 8, 2014, at 7:53 AM, "Steve Simon" wrote: >> Would https://github.com/drom/wavedrom do? > > Yep, pretty darn good. > > maybe a little teeth gritting as its JS but > what the heck, its a tool and that is all > that really matters. Wavedrom's input language seems simple enough that you ca

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread lucio
> you blame the parents? I've been known to. In this case, I do think the stage was set, rather than grabbed. Of course, opinions are allowed to differ. ++L

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread Charles Forsyth
On 8 May 2014 15:51, wrote: > That's the result of bad thinking by > the Internet's fathers > you blame the parents?

Re: [9fans] OT: hard realtime, timing diagram GUI.

2014-05-08 Thread Steve Simon
> Would https://github.com/drom/wavedrom do? Yep, pretty darn good. maybe a little teeth gritting as its JS but what the heck, its a tool and that is all that really matters. Thanks very much. -Steve

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread lucio
> i hate to suggest something that i've done on this list, but nupas > (upas in 9atom) has full support for spamhaus, so you can delegate > this problem. This list doesn't hate you :-) I use my Gmail address for nearly everything these days, so I have little reason to mess with a complicated proc

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread Charles Forsyth
On 8 May 2014 15:14, balaji wrote: > To a lot of lurkers it's still not clear what the labs amd64 binaries > are. bootable kernel? commands? > it turned out that it didn't include any of it, except the compilers. i am attempting to address this oversight.

Re: [9fans] OT: hard realtime, timing diagram GUI.

2014-05-08 Thread Bakul Shah
Would https://github.com/drom/wavedrom do? See the tutorial. Step 8 shows bezier arrows linking waveforms. And it seems to be actively developed. There is a command line version as well. On May 8, 2014, at 5:52 AM, "Steve Simon" wrote: >> I don't understand why realtime matters. > > Only that

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu May 8 10:06:35 EDT 2014, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: > > Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: > > My fault, my spam rules reject and ban IP addresses if mail is sent to > a non-existent recipient in the "proxima.alt.za" domain. I have > whitelisted a block of gmail IPs,

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread balaji
When Charles brought up that 64bit binaries can be built from Labs distribution, it would have been so much simple if either 9atom or 9front owners took a quick look at what was there and confirmed what he meant by "binaries". To a lot of lurkers it's still not clear what the labs amd64 binaries ar

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread lucio
> This is what happens when people vote for Julius Malema. How do you know this? ++L

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread erik quanstrom
On Wed May 7 21:40:05 EDT 2014, k...@sciops.net wrote: > Quoting Charles Forsyth : > > > they weren't "shot down", but saying use MY distribution over here, > > or use MY distribution over here, what i said was that both 9front and 9atom have the relevant bits in an easily accessible location.

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread lucio
> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: My fault, my spam rules reject and ban IP addresses if mail is sent to a non-existent recipient in the "proxima.alt.za" domain. I have whitelisted a block of gmail IPs, but that's a moving target. Should be fixed now. ++L

Re: [9fans] OT: hard realtime, timing diagram GUI.

2014-05-08 Thread lucio
> Somthing like graphviz for timing diagrammes. It's been a long time since I checked, but have you looked at MRTG? ++L

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting erik quanstrom : for what it's worth, i review all the changes made to plan 9 and 9front and apply what makes sense. Some subset of the 9front people also do this with various publicly- available resources, like 9changes and 9atom. I'm not sure of the value of a javascript thing that

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread Kurt H Maier
Quoting Charles Forsyth : On 8 May 2014 13:46, wrote: not enough Internet credits to sustain efforts ... Or a working e-mail supplier (they've blocked Google): This is what happens when people vote for Julius Malema. khm

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread erik quanstrom
> But maybe, just maybe, if the community can get its act together to > support a "codereview" type approach, we can ask Coraid to sponsor the > minimum resources required by it. I don't have a clue to the details, > but I would be thrilled to contribute. i think you're suggesting using some sort

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread Charles Forsyth
On 8 May 2014 13:46, wrote: > > not enough Internet credits to sustain efforts ... > Or a working e-mail supplier (they've blocked Google): Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: lu...@proxima.alt.za Technical details of permanent failure: Google tried to deliver your mes

Re: [9fans] OT: hard realtime, timing diagram GUI.

2014-05-08 Thread Steve Simon
> I don't understand why realtime matters. Only that such diagrams are more important in realtime systems. > How do you want these events represented on the timing diagram? I suspose a clock line, left to right, at the top. events appear as signals, one below the other running paralle to the c

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread lucio
> so, someone (cinap) does care about the incompatabilities and has addressed > them. > i think what you're saying is nobody has gotten this in to the distribution. > fair point. why don't you submit a patch? I ought to, I'm not sure how soon I'll get to it (I'm just a normal Joe, I also fix pro

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread lucio
> since it's not clear to me from reading this (forgive my reading > comprehension), > i run 9atom on rb, kw, and rpi in addition to amd64. i run the pc and pcpae > kernels when there are changes. i know others also run 9atom on the rb. > sadly i don't have a teg2 or original beagle. One can in

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread lucio
> It is this ongoing level of petty pissiness that has led to the fragmentation > of the community. It's poorly phrased and even offensive, but the answer is not out there in the public domain. Nor is the list of tasks to be undertaken in the shape for a GSOC project. But maybe, just maybe, if

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu May 8 07:22:41 EDT 2014, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: > >> Now, this is incompatible with the original Soundblaster stuff and no > >> one seems to care to deal with the incompatibilities. > > wrong. it has been dealed with. > > Not in the Bell Labs distribution, it hasn't. At least, not th

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu May 8 07:59:12 EDT 2014, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: > > We are losing the 'reference implementation' from which the branches can be > > compared. > > But is this a necessary consequemce of Bell Labs' distance, or merely > the way the community operates? A reference point need not itself

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread lucio
> We are losing the 'reference implementation' from which the branches can be > compared. But is this a necessary consequemce of Bell Labs' distance, or merely the way the community operates? A reference point need not itself be in use by all involved, it just needs to move slowly enough for a f

Re: [9fans] OT: hard realtime, timing diagram GUI.

2014-05-08 Thread Bakul Shah
> On May 8, 2014, at 2:15 AM, "Steve Simon" wrote: > > Anyone done any hard realtime programming? I am looking for a simple > GUI tool which will read a text file I can generate from my code > and display a timing diagram. This should allow either events > triggered by the clock, by an interrup

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread lucio
>> Now, this is incompatible with the original Soundblaster stuff and no >> one seems to care to deal with the incompatibilities. > wrong. it has been dealed with. Not in the Bell Labs distribution, it hasn't. At least, not that I noticed. And that was just a convenient example. ++L

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread cinap_lenrek
> Now, this is incompatible with the original Soundblaster stuff and no > one seems to care to deal with the incompatibilities. wrong. it has been dealed with. -- cinap

[9fans] radio

2014-05-08 Thread Steve Simon
Ok, spurred into action. I have pushed out some work in progress. A little radio app for plan9. This has few features and may not seem worth the effort to some but it is planned to be the basis for an embedded radio device so it needs a little GUI and user interface. Currently I use this at work

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu May 8 01:57:57 EDT 2014, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: > > would be nice to put all the hardware support together. > > That would be wonderful. But it does require resources to deal with > incompatibilities as well as different perception of value. My angle > her is that I'm mostly working

[9fans] OT: hard realtime, timing diagram GUI.

2014-05-08 Thread Steve Simon
Hi, Just trying to tap the collective brains fo the plan9 community. Anyone done any hard realtime programming? I am looking for a simple GUI tool which will read a text file I can generate from my code and display a timing diagram. This should allow either events triggered by the clock, by an in

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-08 Thread Charles Forsyth
On 8 May 2014 02:38, Kurt H Maier wrote: > haha you said exactly the same thing I confined myself to instructions relating to sources, which isn't mine.