sorry for the noise, I should rest a bit after this
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Federico G. Benavento
wrote:
> sorry, but why in the compiler and not as a library function like in
> libthread?
>
> http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/libthread/xinc386.s
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010
sorry, but why in the compiler and not as a library function like in libthread?
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/libthread/xinc386.s
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Venkatesh Srinivas
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> A few months ago, I added a patch to inferno-npe to use LOCK XADD
> instead of
> http://lsub.org/ls/export/opiwp9.pdf
> http://lsub.org/ls/export/opiwp9tlk.pdf
Thanks. I want to put these into my BibTeX database so that I can cite them
in my thesis. Do you have BibTeX entries or information regarding where they
were presented or published?
Thanks and best regards,
E
yes and no.
Yes in that you can use inferno + op to bridge plan 9 systems.
No in that there's no native implementation yet.
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <9...@9netics.com> wrote:
>>> We did a simple experiment recently: added a new 9p type called
>>> Tstream, because this is
> no, it's an experiment at this point. there are other ideas out there,
> and I should have paid more attention to op as nemo points out :-)
understand. Don't you just HATE it when you come up with something cool and
then find a different alternative stashed in the literature ;-) I look
forwar
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 11:05 PM, EBo wrote:
> Also, where can i find out more info about op and Tget?
>
http://lsub.org/ls/export/opiwp9.pdf
http://lsub.org/ls/export/opiwp9tlk.pdf
--
- curiosity sKilled the cat
>> We did a simple experiment recently: added a new 9p type called
>> Tstream, because this issue of streams vs. transactions has been
>> bugging me for years. The semantics are simple: it's a lot like Tread
>> (almost same packet) but a single Tstream results in any number of
>> Rstreams, until yo
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 2:05 PM, EBo wrote:
> cool. Is Tstream integrated back into 9p and publicly available?
no, it's an experiment at this point. there are other ideas out there,
and I should have paid more attention to op as nemo points out :-)
the main point was to see what was possible,
Francisco J Ballesteros said:
> > We did a simple experiment recently: added a new 9p type called
> > Tstream, because this issue of streams vs. transactions has been
> > bugging me for years. The semantics are simple: it's a lot like Tread
> > (almost same packet) but a single Tstream results in
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote:
> That's similar to a Tget in op with unlimited replies. The difference adds on
> quickly.
neat, I need to study op more than I did :-)
ron
> We did a simple experiment recently: added a new 9p type called
> Tstream, because this issue of streams vs. transactions has been
> bugging me for years. The semantics are simple: it's a lot like Tread
> (almost same packet) but a single Tstream results in any number of
> Rstreams, until you hit
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 07:57:51AM -1000, Tim Newsham wrote:
> Right, but left and right click are 1 and 3, no?
>
They are.
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On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:06 PM, erik quanstrom
wrote:
>> And, in the end, if what you want is a stream, then discrete
>> request/response transactions can be made to work, but they don't
>> always work as well.
>
> streams are an illusion of the transport layer.
packets, bytes, and bits are ill
Hi,
A few months ago, I added a patch to inferno-npe to use LOCK XADD
instead of the current lock/add/unlock sequence for incref and decref:
(http://code.google.com/p/inferno-npe/source/detail?r=b83540e1e77e62a19cbd21d2eb54d43d338716a5
and
http://code.google.com/p/inferno-npe/source/detail?r=82f1
> And, in the end, if what you want is a stream, then discrete
> request/response transactions can be made to work, but they don't
> always work as well.
streams are an illusion of the transport layer.
- erik
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 11:00 AM, erik quanstrom
wrote:
> unless you've got some sort of interrupt or cpu bottleneck,
> i don't see what message size has to do with this issue. the
> real issue is the # of messages outstanding.
Trivially, it always matters: what if msize is 1?
There's always a
On Wed Apr 28 13:58:40 EDT 2010, news...@lava.net wrote:
> > I admit I am surprised by how much a difference there is, it should
> > be just Tread and Rread headers shouldn't it?
>
> If you have high latency or high bandwidth, the maximum message
> size for the 9p messages will be too small to kee
Sorry for the nitpicking, but isn't the scroll wheel usually button 2?
It has been on all of my mice.
Right, but left and right click are 1 and 3, no?
Tim Newsham | www.thenewsh.com/~newsham | thenewsh.blogspot.com
My apologies, I didn't notice you had used fcp as well. Oops.
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, Tim Newsham wrote:
I admit I am surprised by how much a difference there is, it should
be just Tread and Rread headers shouldn't it?
If you have high latency or high bandwidth, the maximum message
size for the
I admit I am surprised by how much a difference there is, it should
be just Tread and Rread headers shouldn't it?
If you have high latency or high bandwidth, the maximum message
size for the 9p messages will be too small to keep the pipe full
if you're using read serially. Did you take a look at
You can use keys as mouse buttons.
I still prefer a separate mouse but sometimes it is not an option.
-
Curiosity sKilled the cat
G.
On Apr 28, 2010, at 5:47 PM, "Gary V. Vaughan" wrote:
On 28 Apr 2010, at 22:05, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote:
On 28 Apr 2010, at 15:40, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrot
I remember something which just looked at the size of the pressed area
to determine whether it is your palm or finger.
On 28 Apr 2010, at 22:05, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote:
> On 28 Apr 2010, at 15:40, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
>>> if you're feeling ambitions and want something more like your laptops track
>>> pad.
>>
>> Surely you jest? Something that repositions the cursor to an
>> uninteresting location in th
when timing http it's also a good idea to check that your
isp hasn't got the item cached. admittedly, that in itself
is a further potential advantage to http, because http
caches abound, whereas 9p-based caches are few and far between.
On 28 Apr 2010, at 15:40, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
if you're feeling ambitions and want something more like your
laptops track pad.
Surely you jest? Something that repositions the cursor to an
uninteresting location in the middle of a document by simply hovering
one's thumb in the vicini
> > if you're feeling ambitions and want something more like your laptops
> > track pad.
>
> Surely you jest? Something that repositions the cursor to an uninteresting
> location in the middle of a document by simply hovering
> one's thumb in the vicinity of the space bar? Or am I just parti
> if you're feeling ambitions and want something more like your laptops track
> pad.
Surely you jest? Something that repositions the cursor to an
uninteresting location in the middle of a document by simply hovering
one's thumb in the vicinity of the space bar? Or am I just
particularly cursed
I use a Bamboo Fun http://www.wacom.com/bamboo/bamboo_fun.php on my Windows
machine, and I love it.
There are Linux drivers for the entire Bamboo line, so I'm assuming there's an
available specification, if you're feeling ambitions and want something more
like your laptops track pad.
> > How
> Yeah, if I understand right that is what I meant. Good to know, but
> I'm back to the drawing board on why 9p is sometimes so very much
> slower than transferring the equivalent files in a tar file over http.
rtt.
> Maybe fcp should be used with a large number of threads? :s
the only limit
On 28 Apr 2010, at 14:26, erik quanstrom wrote:
Could round-trip times be adding up? Does 9p do one file at once
strictly?
i think you mean, does 9p have 1 outstanding message.
it does not. 9p supports having as many outstanding
messages as one wishes. if you do a pread(2), the kernel
will
2010/4/28 Patrick Kelly :
>> > My netbook's trackpad is unacceptable for Plan 9 use, and since it
>> > doesn't have a PS/2 port I can't plug in one of my old Logitechs.
>>
>> I've been using http://www.thehumansolution.com/evoluent.html
>> recently, and I do love it.
>
> How the hell is a shape pat
> Could round-trip times be adding up? Does 9p do one file at once
> strictly?
i think you mean, does 9p have 1 outstanding message.
it does not. 9p supports having as many outstanding
messages as one wishes. if you do a pread(2), the kernel
will only maintain a single outstanding message for
> larch% time cp /n/sources/extra/plan9.tar.bz2 /dev/null
> 0.02u 0.52s 647.90r cp /n/sources/extra/plan9.tar.bz2 /dev/null
>
> larch% time fcp /n/sources/extra/plan9.tar.bz2 /dev/null
> 0.01u 0.85s 49.69r fcp /n/sources/extra/plan9.tar.bz2 /dev/null
>
> l
On 28 Apr 2010, at 00:16, John Floren wrote:
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Tim Newsham wrote:
I'm curious about the 3-button mouse... (haven't seen one for a long
while, but seems like it might be worth getting one.)
you might have seen one and not even known it. Many mice
with a scroll
Hi, all
as i wrote a few days ago, I've had serious problems powering off fossil
systems booted from a CFlash device (/dev/sdD0).
Fossil - as I verified with a hw write protected CF - always write on
the disk
even if there are no explicit requests in the startup scripts and in the
application
On 28 Apr 2010, at 12:51, Steve Simon wrote:
Ok, I admit its a trivial experiment but:
fcp is still a 9p conversation. http get is a tcp stream. Fcp is
better than cp but not that much better.
If you're yanking one file, a TCP stream is pretty ideal. Dropping 9p
on top of it, even when the
> > How the hell is a shape patentable?
> This is America, anything is patentable.
and this is 9fans, not slashdot, which is three doors
down and on the right.
- erik
>> > My netbook's trackpad is unacceptable for Plan 9 use, and since it
>> > doesn't have a PS/2 port I can't plug in one of my old Logitechs.
>>
>> I've been using http://www.thehumansolution.com/evoluent.html
>> recently, and I do love it.
>
> How the hell is a shape patentable?
This is America
> you might have seen one and not even known it. Many mice
> with a scroll wheel support pressing the scroll wheel as a 3rd
> button. its not nearly as pleasant as a real button, but it "works".
Sorry for the nitpicking, but isn't the scroll wheel usually button 2?
It has been on all of my mice.
Ok, I admit its a trivial experiment but:
> fcp is still a 9p conversation. http get is a tcp stream. Fcp is
> better than cp but not that much better.
> If you're yanking one file, a TCP stream is pretty ideal. Dropping 9p
> on top of it, even when the 9p involves multiple TREADs
> in flight, is
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