Re: [9fans] Any plan9'ers at ESC in San Jose this week?

2010-04-27 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Joseph Stewart wrote: > (ESC = Embedded Systems Conference... and apologies in advance for the > cross-posts you may see) I'm near san jose shall we all get together? ron

[9fans] Any plan9'ers at ESC in San Jose this week?

2010-04-27 Thread Joseph Stewart
(ESC = Embedded Systems Conference... and apologies in advance for the cross-posts you may see)

Re: [9fans] three sets of windows

2010-04-27 Thread EBo
off-topic... > How the hell is a shape patentable? Easy. Just like when I used to clip a playing card to a bicycle frame with a clothespin to make noise. This was apparently finally patented in 2000 -- Sound generating device for spoked wheel (US Patent 6039338 issued 03/21/2000) I'm digging

Re: [9fans] three sets of windows

2010-04-27 Thread Karljurgen Feuerherm
Could be. Had a 3-button mouse long ago... Anyway, no matter. Have ordered one now. Thanks to all! K >>> Tim Newsham 27/04/2010 6:54:19 pm >>> > I'm curious about the 3-button mouse... (haven't seen one for a long > while, but seems like it might be worth getting one.) you might have seen on

Re: [9fans] three sets of windows

2010-04-27 Thread Patrick Kelly
> > My netbook's trackpad is unacceptable for Plan 9 use, and since it > > doesn't have a PS/2 port I can't plug in one of my old Logitechs. > > I've been using http://www.thehumansolution.com/evoluent.html > recently, and I do love it. How the hell is a shape patentable?

Re: [9fans] changes to the ARM SoC ports

2010-04-27 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Apr 27 15:06:29 EDT 2010, ge...@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > booting(8) has been updated; take a look if you're using an ARM port. good deal. thanks. > Rae McLellan of Bell Labs deserves thanks for helping to decrypt what > passes for hardware documentation these days. the only thing wor

Re: [9fans] three sets of windows

2010-04-27 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2010/4/28 John Floren : > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Tim Newsham wrote: >>> I'm curious about the 3-button mouse... (haven't seen one for a long >>> while, but seems like it might be worth getting one.) >> >> you might have seen one and not even known it.  Many mice >> with a scroll wheel su

Re: [9fans] three sets of windows

2010-04-27 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Tim Newsham wrote: >> I'm curious about the 3-button mouse... (haven't seen one for a long >> while, but seems like it might be worth getting one.) > > you might have seen one and not even known it.  Many mice > with a scroll wheel support pressing the scroll wheel

Re: [9fans] three sets of windows

2010-04-27 Thread Tim Newsham
I'm curious about the 3-button mouse... (haven't seen one for a long while, but seems like it might be worth getting one.) you might have seen one and not even known it. Many mice with a scroll wheel support pressing the scroll wheel as a 3rd button. its not nearly as pleasant as a real button

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-27 Thread erik quanstrom
> > is plan 9 really that complicated that bisect is a useful tool? > > perhaps i'm still in the dark ages, but i've done fine with > > diff(1) and history(1). > > Not good enough for me. why? - erik

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-27 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <9...@9netics.com> wrote: >> My experiments have shown that copying a large file via HTTP is >> significantly faster than copying the same file via 9P. > > were you using fcp? > > i'm curious as to where the differences could come from, since the >

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-27 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:59 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > it would be interesting to try.  if hg can push in parallel, it > could be competitive.  fetching the iso, decompressing the iso, > etc are not free.  and you can't push anything until after step > 2.  talk about killer latency. pulling a

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-27 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:49 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > is plan 9 really that complicated that bisect is a useful tool? > perhaps i'm still in the dark ages, but i've done fine with > diff(1) and history(1). Not good enough for me. > > perhaps the key difference is that i sync with sources by

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-27 Thread EBo
"Federico G. Benavento" said: > looks like you got it going > > fetching http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/extra/plan9.tar.bz2 > would improve your dowload speed as it only contains the > source > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 2:38 PM, ron minnich wrote: > > I had interest in being able to see pl

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-27 Thread Federico G. Benavento
looks like you got it going fetching http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/extra/plan9.tar.bz2 would improve your dowload speed as it only contains the source On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 2:38 PM, ron minnich wrote: > I had interest in being able to see plan 9 source at bitbucket.org. > Part of the driv

[9fans] changes to the ARM SoC ports

2010-04-27 Thread geoff
booting(8) has been updated; take a look if you're using an ARM port. On the Kirkwood SoCs (Sheevaplug and Openrd-client), USB now works. Nemo was helpful fixing this, as usual. One of the people here is working on using the Kirkwood crypto acceleration hardware. The OMAP3530 port is now availab

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-27 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
> My experiments have shown that copying a large file via HTTP is > significantly faster than copying the same file via 9P. were you using fcp? i'm curious as to where the differences could come from, since the usual suspects that can make the difference (establishing a connection, sequential re

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-27 Thread Jorden M
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 2:35 PM, John Floren wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:59 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> On Tue Apr 27 13:58:39 EDT 2010, slawmas...@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:54 PM,   wrote: >>> > Nice work, but couldn't you just bind /n/sources/plan9/sys/src >>> > to

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-27 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:59 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > On Tue Apr 27 13:58:39 EDT 2010, slawmas...@gmail.com wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:54 PM,   wrote: >> > Nice work, but couldn't you just bind /n/sources/plan9/sys/src >> > to the hg repo and push from there? >> > >> >> That would almo

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-27 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Apr 27 13:58:39 EDT 2010, slawmas...@gmail.com wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:54 PM, wrote: > > Nice work, but couldn't you just bind /n/sources/plan9/sys/src > > to the hg repo and push from there? > > > > That would almost certainly be slower than grabbing the ISO via HTTP > and get

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-27 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
FWIW, I pull -n first, then see what´s going to change, then merge what I care about, then pull without -n, adding -s´s and -c´s as a result of which file I merged, and I´m done. Regarding pulls from sources I´ve found no problem so far (other than speed). Indeed, speed is not a problem here becau

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-27 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:54 PM, wrote: > Nice work, but couldn't you just bind /n/sources/plan9/sys/src > to the hg repo and push from there? > That would almost certainly be slower than grabbing the ISO via HTTP and getting the file tree locally. John

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-27 Thread erik quanstrom
> More importantly, it's going to be easier for me to bisect and find > problems when I build from kernel source, which is very handy in my > case. The web interface of bitbucket gives me a pretty reasonable way > to compare different revs. I'm offering this note in the event others > want to use t

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-27 Thread jake
Nice work, but couldn't you just bind /n/sources/plan9/sys/src to the hg repo and push from there?

[9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-27 Thread ron minnich
I had interest in being able to see plan 9 source at bitbucket.org. Part of the driver was my continuing inability to get replica to work well at home, and part just a need to tinker :-) So, I created an empty repo at bitbucket.org, http://bitbucket.org/rminnich/sysfromiso/overview and then did t

Re: [9fans] three sets of windows

2010-04-27 Thread Karljurgen Feuerherm
Thank-you. (And here I thought I'd spare you by asking the list for a change!) Much appreciated, as always. K >>> erik quanstrom 27/04/2010 10:20:41 am >>> On Tue Apr 27 09:13:53 EDT 2010, kfeuerh...@wlu.ca wrote: > I'm curious about the 3-button mouse... (haven't seen one for a long while, >

Re: [9fans] three sets of windows

2010-04-27 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Apr 27 09:13:53 EDT 2010, kfeuerh...@wlu.ca wrote: > I'm curious about the 3-button mouse... (haven't seen one for a long while, > but seems like it might be worth getting one.) > > are there restrictions on it? i.e. should not be USB, or whatnot? any other > details one should know? > >

Re: [9fans] three sets of windows

2010-04-27 Thread Karljurgen Feuerherm
I'm curious about the 3-button mouse... (haven't seen one for a long while, but seems like it might be worth getting one.) are there restrictions on it? i.e. should not be USB, or whatnot? any other details one should know? (I'm in a similar position to our friend Bill, here. Still working on a

Re: [9fans] Distributed Pipelines

2010-04-27 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Apr 27 00:31:03 EDT 2010, news...@lava.net wrote: > What about some mounting/binding hackery where you replace > /dev/cons so that the original "cpu" command works? why the resistance to il? rx is a good example of il's strengths. in order for cpu to work, it uses 2 extra processes. rx is

Re: [9fans] Distributed Pipelines

2010-04-27 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Apr 27 00:33:52 EDT 2010, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: > > What about some mounting/binding hackery where you replace > > /dev/cons so that the original "cpu" command works? > > I was going to suggest using UDP instead of TCP or IL. Is that a silly > idea? cpu/rx require a stream protocol.

Re: [9fans] LaTeX: supplementary tips

2010-04-27 Thread tlaronde
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 01:45:14PM +0400, Alexander Sychev wrote: > Hello! > > Thank you! I can't check TeX on Plan9 right now, but I'm going to do this > in the nearest future... > Can you please add these tips to the corresponding README on kergis.com? Done. -- Thierry Laronde

Re: [9fans] LaTeX: supplementary tips

2010-04-27 Thread Alexander Sychev
Hello! Thank you! I can't check TeX on Plan9 right now, but I'm going to do this in the nearest future... Can you please add these tips to the corresponding README on kergis.com? On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:36:39 +0400, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: Since it seems that LaTeX users are puzzled

[9fans] LaTeX: supplementary tips

2010-04-27 Thread tlaronde
Since it seems that LaTeX users are puzzled about how to do, some supplementary tips: 0) You can retrieve from CTAN: a) The fonts. For TeX proper (what runs indeed when called as latex(1)), it needs the TFM files, not the glyphes by themselves. But dvi drivers will need af

Re: [9fans] [PlanX] Re: Mars Needs Women

2010-04-27 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On 26 Apr 2010, at 19:42, Corey wrote: On Monday 26 April 2010 06:06:11 erik quanstrom wrote: I'd prefer not to narrowly frame things in terms of my own personal needs. that kind of thinking made linux what it is today. You can quit being obstinate now, the threat has been eliminated -

Re: [9fans] SATA boot failure

2010-04-27 Thread Peter A. Cejchan
> do you see /dev/sd* ? yes! ++pac

Re: [9fans] three sets of windows

2010-04-27 Thread Bill Marcum
On 2010-04-26, tammy turner wrote: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --=_NextPart_000_000B_01CAE4BF.3A826130 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hi I recently downloaded plan 9 (last thursday) and when I at

Re: [9fans] Distributed Pipelines

2010-04-27 Thread Derek Fawcus
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 06:17:38PM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: > you'd > need to resort to stuffing or some other how-to- > hide-yer-oob data trick or alternately a tcp > half-close. Urgent pointer? but the half close sounds 'better'.