Re: [XeTeX] How to print a variation selectors?
On Fri, Oct 14 2022 at 8:16 +02, Janusz S. Bień wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I just noticed, to my pleasant surprise, that my Emacs renders VS1 with
> the glyph used in the standard; the glyph is taken from Noto Sans
> Manichaean Regular (no idea why Emacs selected just this very font).
>
> Actually I was looking for a font which contains glyphs for variation
> selectors, so I tried to print it. As this did not work, I tried check
> whether the VS1 works in the intended context, i.e. with e.g. MANICHAEAN
> LETTER DALETH, and I am quite confused --- sometimes it works and
> sometimes it doesn't.
>
> Please have a look at the enclosed examples. I will appreciate very much
> your comments.
I just noticed that in the list archive the first attachment looks
strange, so I repeat it inline:
\documentclass{standalone}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\setmainfont{Noto Sans Manichaean}
\begin{document}
\thispagestyle{empty}
\char"10AC5
\char"10AC5 ︀
\char"10AC5\char"FE00
︀
\char"FE00
fe00
\end{document}
%%% Local Variables:
%%% coding: utf-8-unix
%%% mode: latex
%%% TeX-master: t
%%% TeX-PDF-mode: t
%%% TeX-engine: xetex
%%% End:
Regards
JSB
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Janusz S. Bien
emeryt (emeritus)
https://sites.google.com/view/jsbien
Re: [XeTeX] How to print a variation selectors?
On Sun, Oct 16 2022 at 17:40 +02, Janusz S. Bień wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 14 2022 at 8:16 +02, Janusz S. Bień wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> I just noticed, to my pleasant surprise, that my Emacs renders VS1 with
>> the glyph used in the standard; the glyph is taken from Noto Sans
>> Manichaean Regular (no idea why Emacs selected just this very font).
>>
>> Actually I was looking for a font which contains glyphs for variation
>> selectors, so I tried to print it. As this did not work, I tried check
>> whether the VS1 works in the intended context, i.e. with e.g. MANICHAEAN
>> LETTER DALETH, and I am quite confused --- sometimes it works and
>> sometimes it doesn't.
>>
>> Please have a look at the enclosed examples. I will appreciate very much
>> your comments.
>
> I just noticed that in the list archive the first attachment looks
> strange, so I repeat it inline:
Unfortunately it doesn't help. So here is just plain text:
--8<---cut here---start->8---
\documentclass{standalone}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\setmainfont{Noto Sans Manichaean}
\begin{document}
\thispagestyle{empty}
\char"10AC5
\char"10AC5 ︀
\char"10AC5\char"FE00
︀
\char"FE00
fe00
\end{document}
%%% Local Variables:
%%% coding: utf-8-unix
%%% mode: latex
%%% TeX-master: t
%%% TeX-PDF-mode: t
%%% TeX-engine: xetex
%%% End:
--8<---cut here---end--->8---
>
>
> Regards
>
> JSB
--
,
Janusz S. Bien
emeryt (emeritus)
https://sites.google.com/view/jsbien
[XeTeX] solved partially (was: How to print a variation selectors?)
On Sun, Oct 16 2022 at 17:56 +02, Janusz S. Bień wrote: Frank Mittelbach was kind enough to provide me with the relevant information: On Sun, Oct 16 2022 at 9:21 -07, Frank Mittelbach wrote: > I checked. In Unicode this slot is default-ignorable and both XeTeX > and LuaTeX do not print glyphs with that attribute (probably because > the aren't not meant for printing). > > In luaTeX (but not in XeTeX I think) you can change this behavior. So the questions left are: Is it really impossible to do it in XeTeX? What are other, more commonly used, fonts with VS1 glyphs? Best regards Janusz -- , Janusz S. Bien emeryt (emeritus) https://sites.google.com/view/jsbien
Re: [XeTeX] solved partially
Am Sun, 16 Oct 2022 18:47:30 +0200 schrieb Janusz S. Bień:
> On Sun, Oct 16 2022 at 17:56 +02, Janusz S. Bień wrote:
>
> Frank Mittelbach was kind enough to provide me with the relevant information:
>
> On Sun, Oct 16 2022 at 9:21 -07, Frank Mittelbach wrote:
>> I checked. In Unicode this slot is default-ignorable and both XeTeX
>> and LuaTeX do not print glyphs with that attribute (probably because
>> the aren't not meant for printing).
>>
>> In luaTeX (but not in XeTeX I think) you can change this behavior.
>
> So the questions left are:
>
> Is it really impossible to do it in XeTeX?
With lualatex you can force the glyph with Renderer=base:
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\setmainfont{Noto Sans Manichaean}[Renderer=Base]
\begin{document}
\thispagestyle{empty}
\char"FE00
\end{document}
With xelatex you can use the glyph slot:
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\setmainfont{Noto Sans Manichaean}\begin{document}
\thispagestyle{empty}
\XeTeXglyph58
\end{document}
The number 58 is font dependant (I found this one by looking in the
font cache file created by lualatex)
--
Ulrike Fischer
http://www.troubleshooting-tex.de/
Re: [XeTeX] solved partially
On Sun, Oct 16 2022 at 21:25 +02, Ulrike Fischer wrote:
Thank you very much for your comments!
> Am Sun, 16 Oct 2022 18:47:30 +0200 schrieb Janusz S. Bień:
>
>> On Sun, Oct 16 2022 at 17:56 +02, Janusz S. Bień wrote:
>>
>> Frank Mittelbach was kind enough to provide me with the relevant information:
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 16 2022 at 9:21 -07, Frank Mittelbach wrote:
>>> I checked. In Unicode this slot is default-ignorable and both XeTeX
>>> and LuaTeX do not print glyphs with that attribute (probably because
>>> the aren't not meant for printing).
>>>
>>> In luaTeX (but not in XeTeX I think) you can change this behavior.
>>
>> So the questions left are:
>>
>> Is it really impossible to do it in XeTeX?
>
> With lualatex you can force the glyph with Renderer=base:
>
> \documentclass{article}
> \usepackage{fontspec}
> \setmainfont{Noto Sans Manichaean}[Renderer=Base]
Or
\setmainfont[RawFeature={-invisible}]{Noto Sans Manichaean}
(pointed to me by Frank Mittelbach)
which refers directly to the Unicode character property discussed in
L2/02-368 (http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2002/02368-default-ignorable.pdf)
and https://github.com/latex3/luaotfload/issues/63.
> \begin{document}
> \thispagestyle{empty}
>
> \char"FE00
>
> \end{document}
>
> With xelatex you can use the glyph slot:
>
> \documentclass{article}
> \usepackage{fontspec}
> \setmainfont{Noto Sans Manichaean}\begin{document}
> \thispagestyle{empty}
>
> \XeTeXglyph58
That's the command I need! Either I haven't noticed it at all or forgot
about it :-(
>
> \end{document}
>
> The number 58 is font dependant (I found this one by looking in the
> font cache file created by lualatex)
Looks like it can be found in the ttx output in *.GlyphOrder.ttx,
e.g. .
Thanks once again!
Best regards
Janusz
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,
Janusz S. Bien
emeryt (emeritus)
https://sites.google.com/view/jsbien
