[PROPOSAL][WRITER] Tables wider than page
A point on my whishlist: I think it would be helpful, if tables in OO writer could break HORIZONTALLY across pages. I.e. allow table width larger than page width. regards, Axel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[PROPOSAL][WRITER] Tables wider than page
A point on my whishlist: I think it would be helpful, if tables in OO writer could break *HORIZONT**ALLY *across pages. I.e. allow table width larger than page width. regards, Axel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL][WRITER] Tables wider than page
At 09:53 17/05/2016 +0200, Axel Schubert wrote: A point on my wishlist: I think it would be helpful, if tables in OO writer could break HORIZONTALLY across pages. I.e. allow table width larger than page width. So a table would span two facing pages in the final document? This wouldn't work, would it? Or at least it would be difficult to use. Normal printers don't print to the edge of the paper, so any table spanning two pages would have parts that wouldn't print. You'd have to build in the necessary breaks yourself. Or are you expecting Writer to split the table at the page margins? Tables are presently not limited to being within the page margins. Suppose you create a table split across two pages and then changes to other parts of the document move it down to the following page. The table would then be split - unreadably - across two pages which are not facing. Or would you expect Writer to leave an empty page and automatically move the table to the next facing pages? It's probably fairly easy to construct two matching tables on such facing pages and adjust their vertical positioning to match. If you are intending to print on, say, A3 paper and then fold it into an A4 document, you would indeed be able to print a table across a single spread. But in that case it would be straightforward to admit that your page size was really A3 and not A4 and to use columns or frames or sections to position other text around your table. I trust this helps. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL][WRITER] Tables wider than page
Dear Brian, thank you for your help and pointing out the issues ! You are right: my table should span two or more pages in the final document. (Ideally starting on an even page.) You also are right about margins: the table should break so it does not print outside of page margins. (Analogous to Calc) Why not use Calc in the first place? Because I need differentiated paragraph styles (even different styles within the same table field) When using wide tables: I'm aware that I'd have to repeat the first column manually if the table has row headings (unless there was a propertyfor columnslike there is "repeat heading" for rows) I'm also aware that I'd need to adjust the starting position manually if I want the table to start on a left page (At least I'm not aware of a feature like section break where I could force a new left or right page.) Splitting the table into several tables on different pages brings me the following disadvantages: It is very cumbersome after editing to continually adjust row heights to always match the tallest segment of a row, in order to keep rows across the different tables at equal height - in particular if different font sizes are used and heights don't differ by integral number of (standard) line heights. If the table extends vertically across several pages, the intertwining of pages has to be done manually and has to be redone every time editing moves a row to a different page. If I pretended a larger paper than I'm going to use, I'd have to insert a spare column to reserve room for the usually illegible center fold and printer limitations and would have to adjust the position of this column when changes of column width lead to a change of the horizontal page break. I could not use "brochure" printing (or would have to rearrange pages and page no.s manually) thanks and regards, Axel On 17.05.2016 10:25, Brian Barker wrote: At 09:53 17/05/2016 +0200, Axel Schubert wrote: A point on my wishlist: I think it would be helpful, if tables in OO writer could break HORIZONTALLY across pages. I.e. allow table width larger than page width. So a table would span two facing pages in the final document? This wouldn't work, would it? Or at least it would be difficult to use. Normal printers don't print to the edge of the paper, so any table spanning two pages would have parts that wouldn't print. You'd have to build in the necessary breaks yourself. Or are you expecting Writer to split the table at the page margins? Tables are presently not limited to being within the page margins. Suppose you create a table split across two pages and then changes to other parts of the document move it down to the following page. The table would then be split - unreadably - across two pages which are not facing. Or would you expect Writer to leave an empty page and automatically move the table to the next facing pages? It's probably fairly easy to construct two matching tables on such facing pages and adjust their vertical positioning to match. If you are intending to print on, say, A3 paper and then fold it into an A4 document, you would indeed be able to print a table across a single spread. But in that case it would be straightforward to admit that your page size was really A3 and not A4 and to use columns or frames or sections to position other text around your table. I trust this helps. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL][WRITER] Tables wider than page
On Tue, 17 May 2016 13:29:58 +0200 Axel Schubert dijo: I would create two tables, one on each side of the page, making each one look like the left and right pages. The problem with this is that you cannot anchor a table to a page, so if the text before the table is increased or decreased the tables may not stay put. To overcome this, create a frame on each page, making it large enough to hold that page's table, and anchor each frame to the page, and then create your tables inside the frames. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Problem exiting
I am stuck in the new themes window and can't exit it. I don't even know how I opened it. There are arrow choices in front of me how do I escape. Thank you. Sent from my iPhone - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL][WRITER] Tables wider than page
On 05/17/2016 04:29 AM, Axel Schubert wrote: Dear Brian, I'm also aware that I'd need to adjust the starting position manually if I want the table to start on a left page (At least I'm not aware of a feature like section break where I could force a new left or right page.) Axel, Look at Insert | Manual Break and under Style, there should be Left Page and Right Page options. These will break to the specified page. For example, if the previous page is Left and a Left Page break is used, then the new page will be Left, skipping a right page. If the previous page is right and a Left Page break is used, then the new page will continue as a left page after the previous right page with no page skipping. HTH Girvin Herr - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Problem exiting
What Application and version? What Operating System and version? On 18/05/16 12:48 AM, David wrote: I am stuck in the new themes window and can't exit it. I don't even know how I opened it. There are arrow choices in front of me how do I escape. Thank you. Sent from my iPhone - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Problem exiting
David, First of all always reply to this mailing list users@openoffice.apache.org then you reach a large group of volunteers that are happy to help. Secondly we can't help you with your typing problems neither can we change your keyboard. So if you have a problem wit OpenOffice we're glad to help, but explain your problem and tell us the Operating System with version e.g. Windows 10 and the Application with version number. On 18/05/16 8:28 AM, David wrote: Dear Martin, after a very distressing period of two or three hours I noticed quite by accident that there were three or four tiny dots below the theme change panel and clicking on them cause the screen to minimize and allowed me to continue working. I had tried everything else I could possible think of even shutting the computer down but nothing seemed to work. It's hard to complain about an open source free program. It seems so ungrateful. And I'm not the sharpest knife in the box when it comes to this stuff. I hate my new toshiba. It's my 4th but the space bar has been shortened and moved left of center so now my right thumb hits the Alt key all the time and launches me into files. This is a strong habit to break after learning to touch type 40 some years ago. Again thanks for the call back. David Board. Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Martin Groenescheij mailto:mar...@groenescheij.com>> wrote: What Application and version? What Operating System and version? On 18/05/16 12:48 AM, David wrote: I am stuck in the new themes window and can't exit it. I don't even know how I opened it. There are arrow choices in front of me how do I escape. Thank you. Sent from my iPhone - To unsubscribe, e-mail:users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail:users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
