Re: Warning during installation of ns-2.34 on fedora-11
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 22:10 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 05/10/2010 09:02 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >>> On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 11:32 +, g wrote: >>> Thanks. I could of course have found that for myself, but my point is >>> that people asking questions should have a little more consideration for >>> their readers. The exchange isn't just a private conversation between a >>> questioner and those who have answers, but may interest other readers >>> who didn't know they were interested until they saw it. A little context >>> goes a long way to helping them decide. >>> >> Nahhh If I have to work/search to find out what someone may be >> talking about I've already decided to be uninterested. :-) > > That's exactly my point. i agree with both of you, but i take it one step further. i seldom reply to a post that is sent in *text/html*. i have a filter to send them to a separate folder, which i seldom look in. most of them are lacking in content information and as well as following of mailing list guidelines. plus, from what i have seen in 'text/html' postings, it is where most of top posters hang out. i was filtering out *base 64* posters, but there are several of them who do appear to be rather versed in their knowledge. tho i do wish they would show more of their knowledge by posting *text/plain*. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: how to print via a usb to parallel cable
Simon Tierney wrote: > I am trying to print to the parallel port on a printer via one of these > cables, which plugs to the usb port on the computer and and the > parallell port on the printer. > > The printer is not recognized when I probe for it using > system-config-printer. what release are you using? are you using cups for print manager? what printer are you using? is it listed in printer configs? not all printers give feedback to describe what they are. not all printers listed in config list. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Warning during installation of ns-2.34 on fedora-11
Ed Greshko wrote: > A few things > > I don't think you meant "posting in text/plain" since that doesn't have > any direct influence on the type of Content-Transfer-Encoding used. no debate on what you state, as there are exceptions. to clarify 'text/plain', i direct this towards the majority that are using 'english' and use 'text/html' and 'base64' in email clients that are very well capable of printing 'text/plain'. this includes those who are using google mail/gmail and yahoo mail and use 'text/html'. gmail accounts have ability to select html or plain text. can not comment on what yahoo account do. as for sending an email containing chinese characters from a gmail account, would their email not be in chinese, and not english? being that i do not read chinese or other asian languages, along with other foreign languages and they get deleted. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Cannot connect to koji
Dennis Gilmore wrote: > you can only connect to koji via ssl if you have a fedora user certificate > imported into firefox. its a side effect of the ssl cert authentication > that we do. so why is it that in past i could log koji, and i do have certificates? now i can not log koji. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Warning during installation of ns-2.34 on fedora-11
Ed Greshko wrote: > Yes, bad assumptions are made by the gateway administrator. He has > assumed that all messages will contain some Chinese and that receiving > MTA's will "break" the messages sent as 8bit. very bad. but i am not talking about such cases. > Rightbut wasn't it about CTE and not plain v.s. html? no. > Well, no. Just because an email contains some Chinese characters and again, you are talking about emails with chinese. i have seen very few, so few, that i can not even say that there has been any. :) but i am aware that there have been several from asian countries, that have been in english, in text/plain, and they apologize for their lacking in use of english. [hell, i wish i new some of their languages as well as they do english.] i am talking about html's that are sent to tsl's, majority of which are emails sent to this list, kde = 2nd, thunderbird = 3rd, firefox = 4th, scientific = a small 5th. > But, my point is still...senders to this list can be faulted for sending > text/html v.s. text/plainbut they can't always be "faulted" for > their CTE being quoted-printable or base64. to this, i agree. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Warning during installation of ns-2.34 on fedora-11
Ed Greshko wrote: > OK... I became confused a bit since you seemed to have been linking > text/plain v.s. text/html with the appearance of base64. I got confused > when you said "i was filtering out *base 64* posters" since there is no > relationship with that and text/plain v.s. text/html. what i said was; }> i was filtering out *base 64* posters, but there are several of them }> who do appear to be rather versed in their knowledge. tho i do wish }> they would show more of their knowledge by posting *text/plain*. and should have clarified by further stating that base 64 is a waste also because of it using 2 bytes to represent 1 byte. > So, it really is just about html posters. actually, html posters who post text/html when they could be posting text/plain, are posting both text/plain and text/html. with mozilla tsl's, most of them post thru news groups which do not allow use of html. but they are even worse about top posting and not stripping dead history than what is with this list. and, most of the mozilla posters use bogus names so they do not get spam. or at least that is their excuse. because i do save all emails, for referencing, i have a script that cleans out history down to '>>>' max, which cleans email files by an easy 15% to 20%. there are several other things that i grep out and i have had some months clean up by up to 40%. not a lot, but enough to make it worth it. one day i will/may set up a prefilter to strip headers, text/html, sig, and enigmail sig, as i did years ago. then it will matter little as to how anyone post. :) anyway, glad we came to an understanding. :) i have an early meeting in morning and need to crash, so, later. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: First NFS entry in fstab not mounting at boot
BadMagic wrote: > Basically, whichever entry goes first, doesn't get mounted. > I can manually mount it after I've logged in like: > If I repeat the top entry like: are the drives are spun down and at rest when you first try to mount? 'man nfs' for timeout setting info in fstab. are you connecting thru a firewall? anything in firewall rules time related? i recall a similar problem being posted years back, mandrake or redhat related. google did not show with word selections i used. :( > No entries/errors are created in any log files to explain what's going on. boot w/o gui to enable your bootup messages to see what is happening. draw back is that partitions are not mounted sequentially so you will have to watch closely for errors. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: how to print via a usb to parallel cable
please excuse delay in replying. Simon Tierney wrote: > not all printers give feedback to describe what they are. > It worked OK when connected to a regular parallel port on another Fedora > system -perhaps I should have looked for a specific linux driver on the > Samsung site, I'll try that now if that did not work, see below. > I am using the system-config-printer GUI -is there another way I could try? check this site for drivers for your printer; http://www.driverguide.com/ find exact via; http://www.google.com/search?q=SCX+4216F+site%3Adriverguide.com for other sites; http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&q=SCX+4216F +++ all of this is unneeded. > users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: >> Send users mailing list submissions to >> users@lists.fedoraproject.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> users-ow...@lists.fedoraproject.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of users digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: <> thank you. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Regarding Get Fedora page
Jud Craft wrote: > I'm sorry if I'm late to the party or this has been previously true to form. 38 complaints about no link to torrents, of which only 1 poster, #26, provides a hot link in his post. for me, it is easy to find because i have both http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/ and http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/spins in my browser bookmarks. i guess i have a different concept of what bookmarks are for. yes, i agree that writer of page should have included such information, as well as op of this thread, but some people do not always think things thru as thoroughly as they should. why did i wait until now to post? i wanted to see how long this thread would get. :^D so who is 'calling kettle black'? not me, i just find it interesting how some poster think. myself included. have i pulled iso or upgraded my installation? hell no. i am waiting until noise level of problems and new bugs drops. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [URGENT] Assistance Requested in Looking for Dr Francis T. Seow, Harvard Law School Research Fellow
Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote: > Hi, > > First, I would like to apologize for the out-of-topic post. I will keep > this very short. already too long. > Does anybody know Dr. Francis T. Seow, the former Solicitor-General from > the Republic of Singapore? not personally. > I want to contact him but can't seem to find his email address or telephone > number on the internet. Could you help me? learn to use google.com in advanced mode. http://www.google.com/advanced_search search # 1: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=&as_epq=harvard+law+school&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=100&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=images search # 2: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=&as_epq=Francis+T.+Seow&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=100&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.law.harvard.edu%2F&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=images check links shown. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Regarding Get Fedora page
Gene Heskett wrote: > Which is generally being drowned out by the fussing about the poorly > composed pages at the get fedora site. lol. i agree on that. it has even gotten to a point that it is screwing up the list handler. i now have 6 duped emails, 5 from you, 1 from rahul. :) i still contend that all the *BS* bitching about no links is fault of those who would rather have something to bitch about than make a simple bookmark in their browser so they would know where to look for what they want and not have to use google. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Regarding Get Fedora page
Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, g said: >> i still contend that all the *BS* bitching about no links is fault of >> those who would rather have something to bitch about than make a simple >> bookmark in their browser so they would know where to look for what they >> want and not have to use google. > > The questions about finding the torrents (and also install CD ISOs) were > from people wanting to download Fedora and not finding what they needed on > the Fedora site. i understand very well what all of complaining was about and from what i see, it is mostly from users who post to this list regularly. it was *not* from new users wanting to download an iso. > How do they get a bookmark? that depends on their browser. with firefox, you right click on a *hot link* and select 'bookmark this link'. which is what i did a few versions back when torrent page _was_ a hot link. > Why should they need to use Google? because they do not know how to make bookmarks. > If people are asking these questions here, it shows that there is a need > for more/better information on the Fedora site. it is not 'the Fedora site', it is a new page written too hastily and probably by a developer who's ass was worn out helping to get fedora 13 out. from looks of post and problems, they should have waited a little longer. but that is what fedora is all about. new development and a whole hell of a lot of testing, then releasing form more extensive testing. i did not *jump into fire* like a lot of posters did in logging onto http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora, but i did just now have a look at page and not in bottom right of page, "Other ways to get Fedora", which may be 'patch' that was mentioned in thread. it links to http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora-all, which looks very much like page that was available for fedora 12, except that now it is all related to fedora 13. all in all, i still content that if posters had http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/ in their bookmarks, posters would have known where to get torrents, unless they where new users. in summation, author of new 'http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora' should have edited 'get-fedora' for fedora 12 and insured that 'http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora-all' was edited for fedora 13. all of which could have been done with with a global 'replace all' edit of '12' to '13'. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Regarding Get Fedora page
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Far be it from me to prolong this already over-extended thread, i agree, not just because it has caused a 'burp' from list server, but because it has gone from ridiculous to sublime. > but if you read it from the beginning that isn't at all what happened. The > page was designed months ago and (presumably) refined over a certain > period of time. i have been reading from first post, when i had a look at http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora and did note a lot of change from what i recall from when i looked at page for fedora 12. i did not look at page source to see when it was written, which now shows "" at bottom of page. > Someone took a conscious decision to remove the torrent link for what > seemed to them good reasons, which is why i stated that users should bookmark pages and http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/ http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/spins/ are two pages they should have bookmarked, if they can not recall what pages they are. > I only wish it hadn't been at the cost of a good deal of steam, but let's > leave it at that. i agree with this also, but as you know how others are, "it ain't gonna happen". my only reason of replying to your reply of my post is because of my respect for you and to clear up misunderstanding. later. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Regarding Get Fedora page
Ed Greshko wrote: > So, you are suggesting that existing users that are aware of > http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/ bookmark those pages, yes? bookmarks do help find pages when there is need to return to page. it is why i use them and i well give credit that that is why address books were cerated. > What about newcomers to Linux and Fedora? see post: Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 17:00:03 + majority of noise is not for 'new users' and their needs. > How would they determine they should bookmark these pages? see above. > Is there a difference between an "Activity" and a "Spin"? If so, what is > the difference? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activity http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/activity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin-off http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/spin http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/spin-off at one time, term 'spin' was used for a basic distribution, and a 'spin-off' was a special intent of use for a distribution, ie, 'fel'. > If not, why not just have a "Spin" tab? Seems to me it would be more > consistent. ask me not. for i did not design pages. this thread has become to look more like a bunch of 'harry high school' debate team. to which, *end of story*. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Regarding Get Fedora page
David Boles wrote:
> He asked for ideas, suggestions and much more.
if a wheel [1] is round and it rolls, then it is doing what it is
supposed to.
only way to improve it is to add bearings [2,3,4], which are nothing
but more wheels.
there was nothing wrong with 'get fedora 12 [1] page' as it rolled very
well and had very good bearings [2,3,4].
instead of remove and replace of '13' for '12', 'wheel' [5], main page,
was completely redesigned, while bearings [2,3,4], were added to.
[1] http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora<{ fedora 12 version
[2] http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-all <{ r&r 12 to 13
[3] http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/ <{ 13 added
[4] http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/spins/<{ 13 added
[5] http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora<{ fedora 13 version
if a wheel has good tread, keep tread design, if additions will improve,
then *add* additions.
do not try to improve tread by redesign, unless you first offer drivers
a chance to test drive new design, while keeping old design.
once new tread is run thru rain, gravel, sand, snow, oil and it 'holds
the road', then it can and should sold.
> I watched what he worked on over many months. Changes. Edits. Tweaks. And
> you? Where where you? Not here to help with the work that's for sure.
> But you are here at time to bitch.
*YOU* where able to watch. who else was able?
where was posting of new design for list members to view new design?
most members of this list are doing enough in testing and using releases
of fedora and reporting what they find.
why can they not be offered same with page designs?
there is a great difference between testing a distribution and testing
a web page design. many who are capable of testing distribution are not
web page designers, and it should remain as such.
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Re: Regarding Get Fedora page
David Boles wrote: > Since Oct 2009 he worked to find what worked for all. I mean that. It was > an on going effort. You may notice that a major success it that the KDE > people did not feel slighted this time. :-) > > Tests and questions and more questions. Test pages and more test pages. and this was posted to this list? i guess i missed it some where, some how. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Cool it Down Please was: Regarding Get Fedora page
Frank Murphy wrote: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites > Is the list for the team who do their best for the site. and when they do and have a new design, is it posted to this list for viewing and review? many followers of this list do not follow website design list. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Regarding Get Fedora page
Tim wrote: > Perhaps so, but that is the response you'll get when you act > condescendingly towards criticism. There was a lack of people skills on > both sides. and brought about by lacking forethought and sharing of intent by page designers. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: A better name for spins... (was: Regarding Get Fedora page)
Gene Heskett wrote: >> In the USA, spin has a negative connotation. See "spin doctor". in a very limited way. 'spin doctor' is more uk/european than it is in usa. spin is very common and used to mean rotate, revolve. ie, more commonly; spin: spin records, spin cd/dvd, spin tires, spin wheels. spinner: one who spins records/cds/dvds, tires/wheels, short females. >> Is the name "spin" in fedora open to be changed? Hopefully a word can be >> chosen that doesn't have a pejorative use in some area... why change it? > At one point they were called re-spins, which does seem to be a more > suitable name. agree. spin = first release re-spin = subsequent releases spin-off = base packages with special intent. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Regarding Get Fedora page
Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Depends on when you did it. As I indicated before, there was some > recent changes done in response to feedback here. which would have been unnecessary if web page designers had posted a link to this list notifying of a new page design before putting up new page. so, who is really at fault? designers or bitchers? :) -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Regarding Get Fedora page
Sam Varshavchik wrote: > I spent at least five minutes flipping through the pages, going back and > forth in circles, looking for the torrent link, before throwing up my hands > in disgust and jumping to Google. then you need to consider making bookmarks. :) -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Cool it Down Please was: Regarding Get Fedora page
Frank Murphy wrote: On 29/05/10 17:46, g wrote: > --snip-- >> and when they do and have a new design, is it posted to this list >> for viewing and review? >> >> many followers of this list do not follow website design list. > Normally most important things are posted to: > the announce list. (low volume) > Which *everone* should subscribe to. > > Usually with links to various options for commenting. which is very interesting because i am subscribed to; List Password // URL k...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/options/kde/geleem%40bellsouth.net electronic-...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/options/electronic-lab/geleem%40bellsouth.net x...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/options/xen/geleem%40bellsouth.net users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/options/users/geleem%40bellsouth.net annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/options/announce/geleem%40bellsouth.net so, either new web page designs are not being published, i am not getting all postings that i should, or show how or other i did not see it. as i said, such notices should be sent to this list. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Regarding Get Fedora page
Rahul Sundaram wrote: > I am uninterested in blaming anyone this believe, nor should you be. and, no one at "fault" should be, nor maintain a hurt by what has been said. but, because of what has happened, proper steps should be taken to prevent such problems again. posting notification and a link to new page design to all list can help in prevention because if someone does complain, it is a simple matter to point out that notice was given and comments were requested. those who do not follow notice and comment will have no room to complain because it will be because of their own lacking, not of page designer. even this is no guarantee that there will not be complaints, at least a positive reply can be that notice and offer was made and relieves designers of lacking of showing interest of others. plus, had such notice been given, what was missing from page could have been applied. this is entirely different from asking to share in design, because there are many who know how to trouble shoot software, but have no idea of how or what goes into page design. > do think no matter how many mailing lists we post to, some people are still > going to complain that they were uninformed and this list is hardly the one > place users complain about. this is true. it is human nature. tho i do believe that some complain just to boost up a thread so they can have something to write about. > My point was simply that if feedback is given, it should be done in a > constructive fashion. this is true. i well understand your point, and i whole heartedly agree. 'good night, gracie.' ;) -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Regarding Get Fedora page
Rahul Sundaram wrote: > As already pointed out, feedback was requested as part of Fedora Weekly > News which was send to fedora-announce list back in Oct. i missed, or do not recall mention of notice being in 'fwn', but i will accept you word as to such. tho 'fwn' is one place to send such notices, i do believe that something such as new web page for new releases should be sent in their own email thru announce list. i do not always fully read 'fwn', tho i do at least read index. so i am at fault. tho i hope my comments have not appeared as complaining or bitching. > In addition to all that, if i was a website designer volunteering to do > something, I would hesitate to post in this list considering the tone of > some of the users. lmao. no argument their, but as i said, at least bitchers would at least been given notice if something had been posted and if they did not respond, they have no one blame but themselves. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Cool it Down Please was: Regarding Get Fedora page
Frank Murphy wrote: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-August/msg4.html > > "MáirÃn Duffy proposed[13] a few ideas for a new Fedora website design" that was for fedora 12, and i do not believe it was accepted. at least i do not recall fedora 12 looking like it and fedora 13 page looks nothing at all like it. in respect and appreciation of what mairin must have gone thru in putting together such a lovely and beautiful web page, it would work well on a site like 'ladies home journal', 'business week', or some other such site. her talent and ability would be wasted in a world primarily of 'hard nose hard tails'. ;) as much as i like what she did, if put to a vote, i would have to vote against it, as it does now fit with rest of fedora site. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Regarding Get Fedora page
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I suspect there's a (possibly subconscious) view among many of us that > website design means "making the website look pretty" and for the most > part we aren't that bothered. The fact that of course it also refers to > functionality is something we all need to internalize. Perhaps if > announcements explicitly drew attention to this where relevant, more > people might be motivated to check it out. +100% -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Regarding Get Fedora page
first off, understand this, as i said in my post to which frank replied and you replied thru it. to which, i will try to clarify. what you did looks pretty and is very great. i can see where you spent a lot a lot of time in putting it together. _but_, it does not *fit* with rest of page on fedora site. fedora is basically plain text and to the point. no nonsense. no flair. no bells and whistles. all pages that i have viewed and used are well linked and easy to navigate. text is straight forward, easy to read, continuous flow, no jumping around. Máirín Duffy wrote: > On Sun, 2010-05-30 at 20:33 +0000, g wrote: >> Frank Murphy wrote: >> >>> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-August/msg4.html >>> >>> "MáirÃÂn Duffy proposed[13] a few ideas for a new Fedora website >>> design" >> that was for fedora 12, and i do not believe it was accepted. and may well be a reason of your hostility. >> at least i do not recall fedora 12 looking like it and fedora 13 page >> looks nothing at all like it. > > You apparently didn't pay very much attention to the design because yes, > that is the same design. We used the old website chrome then i must have really missed something, because i do not recall 'http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora' for fedora 12 looking anywhere like what it is for fedora 13, nor like you off-site page, http://mairin.wordpress.com/2009/08/08/fedora-website-design-ideas/ possible i am not following your usage of 'website chrome'. > (as has been discussed publicly in multiple places, not that it seems to > matter to anyone here) rather than replace it at this time, but it is the > same design. Yes we have been trying to get this design out since before > F12 came out. what is discussed in this tech support list is what helps keep users using what code authors are producing and what red hat ends up using. granted, 'Regarding Get Fedora page' is not what is normally discussed here, but i do feel that those who are giving tech support should also be given *due and proper* notice of how website is being composed. to hide fact that web page is changing *is* something that should be posted to this list, and not hidden in a long read of 'fedora weekly news' on fedora-announce list. reason i say this is that if the many of subscribers to this list have trouble finding what is needed, so do new users. with such problems, new users get turned off to fedora and subscribing tech supporters on this list get aggravated. >> in respect and appreciation of what mairin must have gone thru in putting >> together such a lovely and beautiful web page, it would work well on a >> site like 'ladies home journal', 'business week', or some other such >> site. > > Ladies home journal? Are you kidding me? and 'business week'. if that offends you, then i apologize, because i did not list more such sites, where a page like what you posted off fedora site would be more appreciated. you have a great talent at producing a web page with 'flair', but 'flair' is not *technical*. your avatar and 'cute' little bear are prime examples of 'world' you tend to live in. tho i do give you credit for using fedora. >> her talent and ability would be wasted in a world primarily of 'hard nose >> hard tails'. ;) >> >> as much as i like what she did, if put to a vote, i would have to vote >> against it, as it does now fit with rest of fedora site. > > That's why we kept the old website chrome for now. I'd like to replace it > in time for F13. again 'chrome'. fedora 13 is already released, or have you been too busy designing web pages to notice that get fedora 13 web page is what this is all about? so, go ahead, get another 'burr in your butt' and take offense to this post if you wish. i need another good laugh. :) as for dropping this thread, no. it is not truly settled yet because design of web pages on fedora site does need to be defined. is fedora site to stay a *no nonsense technical site*, or is it going to become a 'bells and whistles, high flair and cute little teddy bears'? i say it should be put to a vote with *proper* notification on _all_ fedora mailing list. let the over all majority have their say. not limit it to a few. note: 'Subject:' change to original. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/in
Re: Cool it Down Please was: Regarding Get Fedora page
Máirín Duffy wrote: > Folks, this is pretty simple: > > - If you don't care about the website design, don't follow the website > design list. > > - If you do care about the website design, follow the website design > list. even simpler, if you are a website designer, follow website design list. if you are a website design subscriber, and come up with a new design, be man [or female] enough about it and notify rest of fedora community of intent so rest of community can have a say, *and debug* design before it is forced on rest of community. > If you were not following the websites list and you want to give > feedback on the websites, you can blame no one but yourself for missing > the numerous posts and discussion about the design that took place > there. if you are on website list and put up a new web page, do not get your *panties in a wad* because someone expresses their opinion about your opinion. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Regarding Get Fedora page
Máirín Duffy wrote: > On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 16:32 +0000, g wrote: >> where was posting of new design for list members to view new design? > > On the lists (note the 's' there) where people make posts about websites > and design in Fedora. If you're not interested in websites and design in > the Fedora project, then you likely weren't subscribed to those lists. that is correct. but if i where a member of website design, i would insure that all of *community* was notified of intent to make change and not just dump changes on them and take offense of there opinions. after all, when you design a web page, you are expressing opinion of how something should look. therefore, to be mature, you should not take offense to someone else's opinion. > If you are interested in websites and design in Fedora and you are not > subscribed to those lists, then I suggest that you subscribe to them > now, unless you plan to continue on those lists in the manner you have > carried on in this list. People actually attempt to get work done in > those lists, and we really don't need them cluttered up with > ridiculously unproductive threads like this. that is a biased statement and shows a lacking of others opinion. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Regarding Get Fedora page
Mike Fedyk wrote: > 2010/5/31 MáirÃn Duffy : >> On Sun, 2010-05-30 at 11:30 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >>> I suspect there's a (possibly subconscious) view among many of us that >>> website design means "making the website look pretty" >> I certainly hope you don't mean to imply that is the position of the >> folks who worked on the page, because it most certainly is not and never >> has been. Seriously. >> > > I see nothing in Patrick's wording that implies that he is speaking > for the designers. It looks like he is speaking for users and > attempting to explain why people may have ignored the new web site > design announcement when it went out. poc and mike: +100% > I think most people don't think about design until it gets in their way. missing links is a very strong example of being in way. >> Let's drop this thread, okay folks? It's completely unproductive. >> > > It could have been more productive if you weren't so defensive. In > this example, Patrick's comment was quite benign, but you posted an > inflammatory reply. to this i also agree. > I post this not to stir up any animosity, but to give a specific > example where the original poster was quite polite and you replied > with the wrong assumptions of intent. also agree with. > Everyone makes mistakes, though you make fewer mistakes when you learn > from the past. i have always tried to be mature in admitting to mine. of which, i made comment against using mairan's design and she took great offense to it. not even being aware that even tho i was against it being used, i did make positive comment to positive of it. truly a sign of a lack in maturity. my opinion -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unwanted space preceeding cursor in Konsole
Steven P. Ulrick wrote: > Hello Everyone I have recently received an unwanted space before the cursor > in Konsole. There is also some "corruption" of the fonts as one moves the > cursor over text that is on the command line: you do not mention which fedora, so i will presume 13, as most every one has upgraded to it. i have same/similar problem with fedora 12, except that it is in terminal. i did not report it because i thought it was a unique problem to my install. i usually wait a few weeks after updates come out in hopes that problems will be corrected when i do update. also, i am on ultra lite 768k dsl, but i am only getting a max speed of 100k with a usual speed of 48 - 56k. this is a bit slow to try to use when new releases come out and everyone else is downloading. i now wish that i had brought this problem up before your mentioning this as problem appears to have, in your case, transfered to 13 upgrade. i am not sure when it happened, but i do know that it was when kde went thru an update. > 1. I have a script called "UpdateGeeqie" > 2. Open up "konsole" > 3. After the normal "[st...@localhost ~]$" there is a space and then the > cursor. i also get "~]$ #". [using '#' to show block cursor] > 4. If I just type "UpdateGeeqie" it types as expected, except there is > that space after the last letter, then the cursor. > 5. If I use tab completion, it goes like this: "Update " > 6. If I then hit tab again, I get a list of other scripts that start with > the word "Update" This is as expected. > 7. But, if I hit backspace, "Update" becomes "Updat" i actually get "Upat #". if i use left arrow key i get "Upat#e" > 8. If I let it complete to "UpdateGeeqie" I get two "spaces" at the end. same. > Of course the one is the normal one that you get when there are no more > matching commands. agreed. i presume it is allowing passing of parameters. > As you may already know from other threads of mine, I am now running the > rpmfusion nVidia driver. All this started after I got that running. i am not using nVidia driver. > Almost forgot: xterm and gnome-terminal do not exhibit this behavior. Only > Konsole on KDE 4.4.3 (from the Fedora repo.) i have not tried xterm and as stated above, i am using kde. have not used gnome from 'day 1' of kde. > Any help you can give me is greatly appreciated. that is all i can offer. i hope someone has a solution. i have lived with it for a while now. fortunately, i am not in a terminal often. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unwanted space preceeding cursor in Konsole
Steven P. Ulrick wrote: > Never mind... When I was uninstalling some foreign language support that I > did not need, I uninstalled dejavu-sans-mono-fonts.noarch. When I > re-installed it & restarted konsole, all was well. > > Sorry for the noise. not really 'noise'. i will try same later tonight or tomorrow and get back with results. later. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228
Frank Murphy wrote: > Hope nobody Minds. > > Frank hi frank, not at all. i get fwn, too. i was going to forward it also. but i thought about snipping it down to what might be pertinent to recent events. :D such as; > Subject: Fedora Weekly News 228 > o 1.5 Artwork + 1.5.1 Design Team Release Meetings + 1.5.2 Fedora Design > Team at Libre Graphics Meeting > -- Artwork -- > > In this section, we cover the Fedora Design Team[1]. > > Contributing Writer: Nicu Buculei > > 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork > > --- Design Team Release Meetings --- > > Máirín Duffy proposed[1] organizing regular IRC meetings of the Fedora > Design Team "I was wondering if we could revisit this and consider weekly > or bi-weekly meetings? We could simply check in with each other, talk about > what projects we've been working on, and maybe go through open ticket items > in our trac queue" and as the team agreed, the first edition happened[2] > and touched the following topics[3]: F14 artwork schedule, Fedora design > team at LGM, design collaboration tools, emea tshirts. > > 1. > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2010-May/002503.html > 2. > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2010-June/002560.html > 3. > http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2010-06-01/fedora-design.2010-06-01-19.04.html > > > --- Fedora Design Team at Libre Graphics Meeting --- > > The 2010 edition of the Libre Graphics Meeting conference[1] took place in > Brussels and a team from the Fedora Design Team, formed by Martin Sourada, > Papadeas Pierros and Nicu Buculei attended. Nicu posted a summary[2] of the > blog posts from the event, along with a link to a video of the presentation > delivered by the team. > > 1. http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/ 2. > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2010-June/002551.html tho it really does not look like anything all that important. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228
Frank Murphy wrote: > I'll let you do it then?, > as your shears may be better than mine. lol. more satirical? more cynical? -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228
Máirín Duffy wrote: > The web redesign was in FWN multiple times and if FWN was sent to > announce-list exactly which fwn where announcements in? -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228
Máirín Duffy wrote: > On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 19:32 +0000, g wrote: >> MáirÃn Duffy wrote: >> >>> The web redesign was in FWN multiple times and if FWN was sent to >>> announce-list >> exactly which fwn where announcements in? > > Frank already posted one of the references to the FWN/announce-list notice > of the redesign back from August on this list last week: > > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-May/373616.html which relates to fwn 188. which led to a page that was not used and had noting to do with page that was used on fedora project site. in particular, http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora, which jud craft made his posted in reference to. > Now, I am quite sure you are on *this* mailing list and have been over the > past week, in total, a bit longer. > so I'm quite surprised to see you asking this since Frank made that post on > this list. Is the problem really the content isn't posted, or that folks > don't read it? most highly evasive to my above quoted question which you appear to refuse to answered. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228
Máirín Duffy wrote: > Actually that post had plenty to do with what was used on the site for > get.fpo. Did you read it? That's the blog post where the first get.fpo > mockup was presented - the set of mockups links includes the first > mockup we did for the get.fpo that is up right now: again, you are still evading my question and not answering question. a *mockup* [1] is nothing more than that and is not an *actual* [2] of what is intended. [1] http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mockup [2] http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/actual > If you are actually interested, you'll find more - I have other things I > need to do than look this up for you. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue191#Download_Survey > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue192#General > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue194#General > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue197#General even more evading. non of above show anything of original page posted at *http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora*, which was later changed to include links that where missing. it is now beginning to appear that you are better at evading my question than you are at designing web pages. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228
Máirín Duffy wrote: > On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:10 +0000, g wrote: >> it is now beginning to appear that you are better at evading my question >> than you are at designing web pages. > > We're done here. may be that you are because; your final evasion is an obvious admission that there was no announcement that 'fedora get' page would actually to be changed, was ever announced. thank you for your finial honesty. > Have a nice day, this day was already enjoyable. :D you admission has made this day a little nicer. :b -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228
Craig White wrote: > George - I think that you are very offensive towards people who > volunteer their time. It's easy to understand why Fedora contributors > don't actually want to participate on the user lists and get abused by > unappreciative, sarcastic and combative users. craig, for someone who tends to make offensive remarks, no association to above, i accept your judgment of what may appear, in your opinion, as meant to be offensive. but do know this, neither my intent, nor desire, was meant to be offending. i do appreciate what fedora contributors do, both programmers and designers of web pages. just as i appreciate contributors to this list. i even complimented mairin on her abilities. her reply contained no recognition of such, only irateness to my using 'ladies home journal' strictly as a reference to where i felt her design would better fit. if, in your opinion, what i wrote is 'unappreciative, sarcastic and combative' towards any of contributers, then so be it, your opinion. in other thread, i asked same question, where was notice of changing of web page http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora, as i did in this thread. thru all of this, an answer to my question was evaded with only replies of pages that had nothing to do with my question. now, if you wish to bat this back and forth, go ahead. but do be aware that my intent was not as you seem to be in thinking. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unwanted space preceeding cursor in Konsole
g wrote: > Steven P. Ulrick wrote: > >> Never mind... When I was uninstalling some foreign language support that I >> did not need, I uninstalled dejavu-sans-mono-fonts.noarch. When I >> re-installed it & restarted konsole, all was well. >> >> Sorry for the noise. > > not really 'noise'. > > i will try same later tonight or tomorrow and get back with results. problem i was having was under 'konsole'. what is strange is it seems that problem of space has cleared without my making any changes to fonts. now i have a new problem, seems that konqueror is breaking and shutting down on it's own, followed by a prompt to report. same is happening when i try to right click background to shut down kde. something else that has been going on for a while, connection icon shows that internet is disconnected, yet ifconfig shows that it is up. in trying to run yumex, after it starts, it also thinks that internet connection is down. yet when i run yum from console, all is ok. attempted to file reports, but this is failing also. looks like i will try reformatting partition, reinstall fedora 12, run updates and see what happens. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unwanted space preceeding cursor in Konsole
Ed Greshko wrote: > On 06/07/2010 04:32 AM, g wrote: >> something else that has been going on for a while, connection icon shows >> that internet is disconnected, yet ifconfig shows that it is up. >> >> in trying to run yumex, after it starts, it also thinks that internet >> connection is down. yet when i run yum from console, all is ok. >> > I had something similar happen a while back. But, it was caused by > things that I did. It was quite some time ago, under F12, when I > thought I knew the ins/outs of NM and how it would interact with the > previous networking scripts. ed, thank you for replying. good to know i am not alone in having problem. using yum at cli was a work around, but yumex allows easier selection of updates and seeing new software and installing. looks like this week will be reinstalling fedora 12. at least i will not have as many updates to go thru to see when it breaks. :) and i will do selective updates to see if i can narrow down when problem is happening. if it breaks again, i will start a new thread. thanks again. later. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unwanted space preceeding cursor in Konsole
Ed Greshko wrote: > Welcome... But do keep in mind that the breakage was all my own fault. understood. in the case of this install, i do believe it was broken from an update. especially with yumex problems. after a reboot after 1 update, my kde background went completely black from being a revolving globe of earth. after another update, had problems with internet icon, so on, and so on. anyway, if i can get a good install this time, i will skip fedora 13 and maybe 14. i have tried to use fedora with fel for electronic design, but with all of problems, it just has not been. thanks again. later. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Extract file from tar home/
Bob Goodwin wrote: > On 07/06/10 17:52, Luc MAIGNAN wrote: >> Le 07/06/10 23:48, Bob Goodwin a écrit : >> >>> I have /home/bobg/ tar'd to "bobg.tar.gz." Can I extract individual >>> files or directories without unzipping the entire 17 gigs? >> >> tar -xzvf bobg.tar.gz file_to_extract >> >> "man tar" is your friend... > > Yes I've been working with "man tar" and Google so thought I would > come to the place of last resort. > > AS I suspected it probably has to be unzipped first but that's ok, > just a thought. bob, as luc maignan points out, there is a way to get your single file. my concerns are with fact that if a file is broken, tar stops. i would hope that this has changed. i do not know as i use 'cpio' scripts for archiving, because cpio will skip a broken file. plus, cpio works great with tape archiving, usb memory sticks, usb drives. to archive; find $1 -depth | sort | cpio -o -aBcv > $2.cpio to un-archive; cpio -i -Bcv < $1.cpio wherein, $1 = source, $2 = target. which could, i imagine, as i have never tried, be modified for zip compression by using, to archive; find $1 -depth | sort | zip -** | cpio -o -aBcv > $2.cpio to un-archive; [not sure which, would have to try to see] cpio -i -Bcv < $1.cpio | grep filename.zip | zip -** or cpio -i -Bcv < $1.cpio | zip -** filename.zip where '-**' would be your zip arguments. see: man find, man sort, man cpio, man zip, man tar. something i would suggest; zipping paths to several zip files before tarring. archiving to several files in event there is a non recoverable corruption so all would not be lost. apply old adage about 'all your eggs in one basket'. hth. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 doesn't let me customize install
John Aldrich wrote: > I'm trying to upgrade an existing install and the F13 DVD didn't ask > me to confirm my partitions nor did it offer to let me customize my > install. What's up with that? this has been discussed already on this tsl and is a problem. i do not recall if there was a work around solution. you do have alternative of pre-upgrade and online upgrade. even this is with problems, but does appear to have gotten better. so, unless your internet speed is to slow to make an online upgrade impractical, you may well be better off using upgrade. with other problems of fedora 13 at this time, you may also, be better off by waiting for a re-spin, or fedora 14 to be released. if you really rather be on 'bleeding edge' of new technology, be ready to bleed a little. even with all the great work that is done with rawhides, first release is and will be filled with problems. there just are not enough testers to test rawhide on enough different system hardware to get all of problems worked out. from what i have seen of fedora from early core days, this is how it has been, i there really is no practical way to make things different. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 doesn't let me customize install
John Aldrich wrote: > Well, it's kinda difficult to do when the install you *want* to upgrade > won't boot. :-) "won't boot" is a short description for a broad range of conditions. [tho you do define below] if will not boot, as in you do not see grub start, boot fedora 13 in rescue mode and reinstall grub boot loader. if you see grub start, halt it and edit grub to remove gui and change to boot level 1 and text so you can see where it fails. if boots ok in level 1, boot level 3. if boots ok in level 3, boot level 5. > I had a "failed" F12 install that I was upgrading. if i am reading what you wrote correctly, how do you figure you can upgrade an install that failed? if an install fails, it can not / should not be upgraded. > Since the upgrade completed, and it's not finishing the boot (freezes at > the splash screen) this is a whole different 'can of worms' than what was in your first post. so, try above to see where it is freezing. what happens when you press or ? > I'm looking more and more at re-doing the F12 install. :-( if it was a bad install, you should have done so before trying to upgrade to fedora 13. it it was a good install, at least you know it will install. ;) >> with other problems of fedora 13 at this time, you may also, be better >> off by waiting for a re-spin, or fedora 14 to be released. >> > Yeah. I think I might step back one version and see. if you can get a good fedora 12 install, hold with it until support ends. >> if you really rather be on 'bleeding edge' of new technology, be ready to >> bleed a little. > Well, this is the first time it's really bitten me. As I posted in response > to the developers closing my bugzilla report, they need to at least warn > us before installing if they aren't going to let us customize an upgrade. all snakes bite. some can kill you, some will make you feel like you are dieing, some will just cause a bad infection. :) you, i, and many others on this list agree. it has been discussed, but i do not recall what/how fedora 13 is supposed to handle install. > Yeah... I think I'm going to step back to F12 and see if that works any > better. it will/may after you get updates installed. > F13 just isn't "ready for primtime" in my opinion. 'prime time' in fedora definition means 'broader, more advanced testing'. i have to head out shortly, others will be around to help. perseverance. later. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Extract file from tar home/
Bob Goodwin wrote: > I don't think I can "paint myself into a corner?" I usually do though! if you leave everything in one file, you just might. as i mentioned before, what if such a large file gets corrupt in places? -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Extract file from tar home/
Suvayu Ali wrote: > I think the only solution in this case is to do > > $ gunzip bobg.tar.gz > > and keep the resulting bobg.tar file in some easy to access area. A > subsequent > > $ tar xf bobg.tar /path/to/my/file > > should be fast and easy to do. regardless of op's desire, there is no fast way to extract a single file from such a large file. especially if desired file is in last portion of large file. which is another reason to break archive in to smaller tars, zips, or cpio's, with an indexes to them. a script could be run to parse indexes and then do what needs to be done to extract file from it's associated small file archive. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Extract file from tar home/
Ed Greshko wrote: > I don't know about anyone else here But if I have a large tar archive > I include as the first file in the archive a "ls" of what is in the > archive. +1 i have a script for cpio'ing that concatenates into a sub directory of; pwd, du -sb *, ls -Ar to a file named archive..mm.dd not only do i have info in archive file, or tape, it keeps a running history of archiving of path in path. i can grep those files to find where file i am looking for is. i do not compress my archive files. > To me, archiving a bunch of smaller tars, zips, etc. doesn't make much > sense as it makes it harder for me to find what I am looking for, i.e. > lost. what do you do if archive file gets broken? -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Extract file from tar home/
Ed Greshko wrote: > On 06/09/2010 10:30 AM, g wrote: >> what do you do if archive file gets broken? >> > In the past 10+ years that has not happened. If it does, I'll let you > know what I did. FWIW, I always compress my archive files. may you continue to be blessed with such good fortune. post it on list. i promise not to laugh. :) i used to compress archives. unfortunately, i did lose some one time. it was then that i decided that i would limit my archive sizes to smaller files. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Extract file from tar home/
Ed Greshko wrote: > On 06/10/2010 09:20 AM, g wrote: >> Ed Greshko wrote: >> >>> On 06/09/2010 10:30 AM, g wrote: >>> >>>> what do you do if archive file gets broken? >>>> >>>> >>> In the past 10+ years that has not happened. If it does, I'll let you >>> know what I did. FWIW, I always compress my archive files. >>> >> may you continue to be blessed with such good fortune. >> >> post it on list. i promise not to laugh. :) >> > OK... For the fun of it I dug up an old CD-RW disk that had a > compressed tar file on it with a photo archive. If I recall correctly, > the disk was written on a Liteon drive that lasted less than 6 months in > my system of the time. The CD was written in February of 2002 and was > stored in a box packed up in 2002 when I moved offices. It hadn't see > the light of day until today. Extracted the full archive without problem. > > Of course this is only one file on one old CD-RW disk. It doesn't prove > anything. Just like... >> i used to compress archives. unfortunately, i did lose some one time. >> it was then that i decided that i would limit my archive sizes to >> smaller files. >> >> > ...there is no evidence that you wouldn't have lost data even if the > archive size was smaller or uncompressed. this is true. but, in making smaller tar files or compressed files, there is less lost if file becomes corrupt. this is my point. with cpio, if archive gets corrupt, only thing lost is in corrupt area. but, even then not all will be lost, depending on type of file, and media that cpio is sent to. i normally cpio to tapes, but i also cpio to hard drive and then copy to cd/dvd. in example, on a hard drive or cd/dvd, if corrupt file is a text file or some data base files. cpio file that is corrupt, is removed by determining where in cpio file it is located and using 'head -c', 'tail -c' dump of corrupt file, within cpio file, to a new file, which is then run with 'head -c', 'tail -c', until a file is built of corrupt file and then is edited with a hex file editor. takes time, but is doable. ie, a text file, and corrupted area contains non printable/usable bytes, editor is then use to change bytes to 'spaces' and then can be recovered. only loss is where spaces where inserted. if a data base file, and you know how data is structured and store, patching can/may be done to recover file with a hex editor. i have never tried to recover a binary file. normally they can be replaced. granted, it takes time, but recovery is possible. if file is compressed, then, for all practical purposes, file is lost, unless a binary program file. so, to c.y.o.a., or in my case, c.m.o.a, i usually make 2 backups. and yes, i have had cases where both backups had corruption, but luckily, it was not same file in both backups. nes pa? -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Extract file from tar home/
Robert Nichols wrote: > Not so much fun that I'd care to try it again, though. i agree about 'Not so much fun', but you were lucky and had data to put back in. when i learned trick i described, restoring from backup was necessary to recover a unix system that had one of it's drives crash. i learned from sys admin who had seen it done and this was first time for both of us to put it to use. he knew the data base, and i can read a text file, so you know who did what. :) system was shortly after converted to raid. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Can't change boot order in BIOS
Timothy Murphy wrote: > I was trying unsuccessfully to install Fedora-13 on a rather old > Has anyone else met this problem? yes. easy solutions was to upgrade bios. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: top posting flame war (was NFS)
Marvin Kosmal wrote: > In my case. It is google... > > It wants to top post.. I have to fight it.. is google making you top post, or is google putting your cursor at top of quoted so you can trim dead history and reply interspersed? > Maybe there is a setting I haven't seen that will bottom post for me.. why changed settings. how would google or any email client know what you want to reply to? i know gmail and thunderbird do not know what i want to reply to, so i have them set to start at top of quoted message. just seems logical to me to do it that way. > I much prefer that for technical stuff. (This list) lol. this is technical. ;) > YMMV fttt. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
Jerry Feldman wrote: > I think the offline storage is very unlikely as there was not (or should > not have been) any disk I/O activity at the times. thunderbird does produce disk i/o activity when in compose mode. there is a storing of message in 'drafts folder' and is set with 'preferences'. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
Jerry Feldman wrote: > On 06/14/2010 04:33 PM, g wrote: >> thunderbird does produce disk i/o activity when in compose mode. >> >> there is a storing of message in 'drafts folder' and is set with >> 'preferences'. >> >> > This is true, I didn't think of it. Could also be related to my /home > logical volume is huge. to further clarify, maybe, i do not/would not relate volume size being huge to 'drafts' folder file. what is stored there and left, is what you save with 'file > save', 'file > save as', or . or a crash, which could be if you , or close out in some other way with out finishing properly with compose window. a simple viewing of 'drafts' folder will show you what is there. if 'drafts' folder is in bold type, you definitely have composed emails there. if you have any there that are shown as read, it is because you read what is there, or you move something there. > When I installed Fedora 13, It was relatively small, and I had another > folder for downloads, isos, and virtual machines. I don't know why this is as for lvm, only reasoning i can relate to thunderbird is that lvm is set too low and thunderbird is having to wait for space assignment. i never found need for lvm, i see it's advantages, but i can also see disadvantages. i do not use it. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: top posting flame war (was NFS)
Marvin Kosmal wrote: > So I just fixed my own problem.. only partly. > Don't know why I didn't notice it before.. > > There is a bar called "More Options" who reads all of what is on page until they have need? > Click on that and it brings up all the text and I can scroll to the bottom.. > > Thanks welcome. but you could do better by leaving at top so you can 'chop old wood' before you start replying. ;) -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
Jerry Feldman wrote: > Back to the original subject. Some how Thunderbird gets busy doing ok, take thunderbird out of as much background mode as possible. next time you are going to be composing emails, put thunderbird offline, disable auto save, then start composing. if you still have freezing, take system offline. also, you could run top in a terminal. when you have freezing/loss of keystroke showing, note what you see at top of top display. hth. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
Jerry Feldman wrote: > Now, other things seem to be misbehaving with Thunderbird. > First, I've had top running and when it seems to freeze, I'm seeing > Thunderbird taking about 100% of the CPU. So it seems that T-Bird gets you are starting to see reasons i am glad i am still running 2.0.0.24. :) i follow thunderbird tsl and what you are now having problems with is nothing new. many of "features" in 3.0.x have been nothing but pita. cures have ranged from, and include all of, disabling auto sort, auto archive, and several others that i do not recall at moment. i will gladly search my files for 'cures', or you can run a google advanced search looking for '100% cpu usage', 'freeze', auto's in above. i would run thru my files now, but i need to run out for a couple hours and should return after 20:00 or 21:00 utc. will check this thread first thing when i return. solutions to your problems have been disabling "features" to upgrading. because of various problems with 3.0.x versions, an upgrade to 3.1 or higher is better. i know this can be a problem under linux, but there are ways. later. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FYI - Just a heads up for the Unreal Gamers
Robert Myers wrote: > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 2:55 AM, Sam Sharpe wrot > >> There is better coverage here: >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/14/linux_game_backdoor/ >> >> > Better coverage of a sort, I suppose. > > "A warning today that Linux users are not as immune to security threats as > many of them like to believe" > > Anyone who is naive enough to believe that Linux cannot be affected by > poisoned software from just about anywhere really shouldn't be mucking > around with that kind of stuff. i doubt that any users of linux are naive. more like majority of linux users believe that they are less susceptible. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FYI - Just a heads up for the Unreal Gamers
Paul Otheim wrote: > hadn't seen anything on the list about this, I don't know if Fedora even > has a package available for this but for all you gamers out there beware. > > https://infosecurity.us/?p=15207 (Google Chrome throws a fit about this page > being a security problem) > > or > > http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/061310-linux-trojan-raises-malware.html are comments/quotes on original page: +++ From PCWorlds’ Tony Bradley: “Linux Trojan Raises Malware Concerns“ http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/198686/linux_trojan_raises_malware_concerns.html I've got good news and bad news for those of the misguided perception that Linux is somehow impervious to attack or compromise. The bad news is that it turns out a vast collection of Linux systems may, in fact, be pwned. The good news, at least for IT administrators and organizations that rely on Linux as a server or desktop operating system, is that the Trojan is in a download that should have no bearing on Linux in a business setting. +++ which appears to be based on; +++ http://forums.unrealircd.com/viewtopic.php?t=6562 Some versions of Unreal3.2.8.1.tar.gz contain a backdoor Post by Syzop on Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:17 am Hi all, This is very embarrassing... We found out that the Unreal3.2.8.1.tar.gz file on our mirrors has been replaced quite a while ago with a version with a backdoor (trojan) in it. This backdoor allows a person to execute ANY command with the privileges of the user running the ircd. The backdoor can be executed regardless of any user restrictions (so even if you have passworded server or hub that doesn't allow any users in). It appears the replacement of the .tar.gz occurred in November 2009 (at least on some mirrors). It seems nobody noticed it until now. +++ so, this all tends to indicate that it is not a fault of linux, as any system is vulnerable to what a user downloads from a mirror, and is primarily fault of maintainer of mirrors involved. moral of whole story, do not download from an untrustworthy or properly maintained site. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
Jerry Feldman wrote: > BTW: I am subscribed to the Thunderbird list, but I have not had the > time to follow it recently. As I mentioned before, I have been ignoring > my friend Google :-) not having time is very understandable. may well be that upgrading, as konstantin suggest, may well be a better solution than what i have seen for work arounds in thunderbird tsl. i will keep up with this thread and if rawhide upgrade does not cure problems, i will search my files to see what is in them. much luck to you both. later. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
Konstantin Svist wrote: > Thanks for suggestion, I've upgraded.. will see if it's any better welcome. rawhide is a good way to do upgrade. i hope i works for you and jerry. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
Jerry Feldman wrote: > Seems pretty stable today. Had a system update yesterday, and didn't > reboot until last night. have you tried installing thunderbird from rawhide, or still same version? > (Additionally I just had a freeze while typing reboot :-). you boot level 3? do you leave thunderbird open, or do you close it before leaving desktop? ria, leaving thunderbird open when you leave desktop can cause instability of thunderbird. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
Jim wrote: > I have to leave it open because all the Emails I get from the FedoraUsers > Forum, If I left those on my ISP's Server, I would probably be getting > nasty notes from my ISP. shutting down desktop is not a good idea, as i mentioned. thunderbird has files open and by not closing before shutdown, some of the files can/may/will get corrupt. ymmv, but you are chancing it. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Do you have evidence of this? If so, you should report it to BZ. it is well known in mozilla land that shutting down thunderbird improperly can/will/may, and sometimes not, cause corruption. primarily it is 2 files, panacea.dat and lock that need to be closed. in world of ms, there are many post of users not closing thunderbird properly and problems develop. problems are not being able to open thunderbird and corrupt email files. just how they are effected under linux by thunderbird being open and desktop is closed, i can not say. i do not recall a linux user with problems that happen with ms. possibly linux desktops have been written to scan for open programs and then send them a kill signal. just exactly what is going on under linux, i am not sure. then again, maybe not, because i do know that if i leave konqueror unclosed to maintain tabs that i have open, when i open kde anew, konqueror opens with tabs still set. if i forget to close firefox before closing kde desktop, when kde is open again and i open firefox, i get a prompt to clean up and then a prompt to open with previous state or new state. if i have a lock up with thunderbird open and have to , or use reset switch to recover, when i reboot, before opening thunderbird, i do open profile directory, which is one of tabs i have preset in konqueror, and i delete panacea.dat before i open thunderbird. if i had any emails open in any folder directory, i go to that directory and delete associated .msf file. i do this before i attempt to open thunderbird because i know that the potential to cause corruption is there. so i stay ahead of game, because doing so is not that much trouble and takes less that a minute to do so. i do know that i have yet to see lock file but i do check for it every time i have an improper closing of desktop. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: 32bit Vs 64bit OS
Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Minor differences are that 64 bit applications are slightly faster, and 64 > bit lets you use more RAM. so why you do no mention that 64 bit uses more ram? -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
Jerry Feldman wrote: > So far, after upgrading to 3.1-0.2.rc2.fc14 it seems to be more > responsive to mouse clicks and no freezes (but I have not been using it > long enough to really measure). maybe it will last. > The only thing I would prefer is if there were a verison of enigmail > that was compatible. your preferences have been met, according to; https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/71/ Updated May 29, 2010 Website http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ Works with Thunderbird: 3.1a1pre - 3.1.* -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
Jerry Feldman wrote: > After using 3.1-0.2.rc2.fc14, I found that it also freezes with Thunderbird > using 100% of the CPU. what happens if you run 'thunderbird -safe-mode' from command line? did you disable 'auto sort' and other 'auto *'? > Because of the lack of enigmail for this version (64-bit) I rolled back to > 3.0.1. did you miss where i posted; https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/71/ Updated May 29, 2010 Website http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ Works with Thunderbird: 3.1a1pre - 3.1.* or did it report incompatible with 64 bit? ria, > I may install the 32-bit version from the Thunderbird archives. I have > eliminated both enigmail and remove duplicate messages from being involved. if reported as above, and indicated at http://enigmail.mozdev.org/home/index.php 32 bit will be only answer to get enigmail under 3.1x versions. Nataraj pointed out some good suggestions for trouble shooting. did you try them? in addition, please excuse my delay in replying to your post. i had problems with smtp.att.yahoo.com server accepting emails. after 6+ hours with att support and after 10 reboots, for some unknown reason it started working. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
Jerry Feldman wrote: > Yes, I had loaded the enigmail addon and it did report that it was > incompatible with build Linux_x86_64-gcc3. obviously, for now, if you want to use enigmail, it means installing 32 bit thunderbird. :( > I did try a few of Nataraj's suggestions. ok. how about running wireshark or similar to see what/who is happening with your internet connection during freeze. > I have not tried safe-mode yet. primary of safe-mode is to not load extensions and themes for session. > It is possible that the freeze is caused when it tries to do an imap sync > with gmail, but that would be reported in the status line, and the status > line is empty when it freezes. That is one of the things I always check on. this is true. a way to see if imap/gmail is problem, disable auto check for mail. or, remove gmail from accounts and reinstall if does not cure. even tho gmail does have imap, i question if they have it set up correctly. i say this from my own experience with imap and gmail. i changed it to pop. i am still using 2.0.0.24 and i see occasionally 2 and 3 typed character delays/freezes, but nothing much longer. i just keep typing and let it catch up. also, most times, i go offline when i am composing long emails. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: multibooting linux
Mats wrote: > Hi, > I want to have (at least) two linux-system (no windows) on the same hd. > If I make two partitions for the first (/ and swap) and then the same > with the other one. Is that ok? All detailed explanation I've seen is > about installing windows and linux and that's not what I want. well, lets see, you make no mention of same or different distribs. if same distribs; same versions? different configurations? one for test? one for work? regardless of intent, you should have separate swap partitions so you have ability to sleep/suspend either with out effect to other. also, check fstab so that neither has other's swap as you can/might over write resume info. each linux '/' should have it's own /boot. if you mount inactive '/' in a subdirectory of other, ie, /mnt/part1, /mnt/part2 you have ability to pick one linux to maintain grub's boot sector for both or multi installs. this is done by coping lines from inactive /boot/grub/grub.conf to active /boot/grub/grub.conf. saves worry about chain loader, tho you still install to inactive grub's '/' partition during initial install. when you have a kernel update, simply copy in new lines and you are good to boot. as in all cases of new kernels, leave old lines in event you have a kernel failure and need to recover with previous kernel. you can share a '/home' partition if you give same user of each install a different home directory to log into. ie, myhome-f12, myhome-f13, or myhome-wk, myhome-tst. also, user can/should have same name and user id to make file sharing easier. this works, as i am using such for 2 installs of scientific linux and 2 fedora installs. hth. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: multibooting linux
Patrick Bartek wrote: > You don't need multiple swaps: Linux can share one without problems. and what happens if an active linux is put into suspend/sleep and system is rebooted? > A shared /boot partition is possible, too. possible, but not practical if grubs are for different distribs that are using different stages. also, when you chain, you have to select what you want from each grub prompt. > However, I would not share any others, and that includes /home. /home can be shared, if care is taken for login directory names and user id's. > The best way to boot multiple Linuxes is to have grub of your primary too long to reply to all. see my post of 01:38 utc. > This is the way I have my box set up, which at the moment only has Fedora > 12 and 9 installed, but at one time, I had about 6 Linux distros on it. i do not say that there is a lot wrong with what you are doing, but there are better ways. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
Konstantin Svist wrote: > Update: have been running 3.1 for almost a week, and have not noticed > any major slowdowns; I think the problem is gone. good to hear. i hope so, maybe you can now give jerry some pointers. ;) > Though, to be fair, a bunch of extensions don't work in 3.1. It's > possible one of them was causing the slowdown. disable what does not work. possible. for sure you will find when they are updated and you reinstall. :) later. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SIPWitch: what exactly does it do ?
Linuxguy123 wrote: > What exactly does SIPWitch do ? have you read these 2 pages? http://www.gnu.org/software/sipwitch/ http://www.gnutelephony.org/index.php/GNU_Telephony -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: multibooting linux
Steven I Usdansky wrote: > My vote is for one grub to rule them all, each distro's grub goes into > / rather than the mbr, and the master grub just chainloads each distro's > grub. i do not debate your right to cast your vote. as it is a part of what many countries have fought for for many years. if it works for you, use it. my question is how is it advantages over a single grub menu for all installs? what i use; +++ title Scientific Linux 5.4 (2.6.18-194.3.1.el5) sdb10 root (hd1,9) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-194.3.1.el5 ro \ root=LABEL=/12 devfs=nomount resume=/dev/hdb2 \ acpi=force vga=794 initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.18-194.3.1.el5.img ## title Scientific Linux 5.4 (2.6.18-164.6.1.el5) sdb10 root (hd1,9) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-164.6.1.el5 ro \ root=LABEL=/12 devfs=nomount resume=/dev/hdb2 \ acpi=force vga=794 initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.18-164.6.1.el5.img ### title Scientific Linux 5.4 (2.6.18-164.11.1.el5) sda1 root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-164.11.1.el5 ro \ root=LABEL=/ devfs=nomount resume=/dev/hda2 \ acpi=force vga=794 initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.18-164.11.1.el5.img ## title Scientific Linux 5.4 (2.6.18-194.3.1.el5) sda1 root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-194.3.1.el5 ro \ root=LABEL=/ devfs=nomount resume=/dev/hda2 \ acpi=force vga=794 initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.18-194.3.1.el5.img title fedora 8 (2.6.23.1-42.fc8) sdb6 root (hd1,5) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.23.1-42.fc8 ro root=/dev/sdb6 \ devfs=nomount acpi=force vga=794 initrd (hd1,0)/initrd-2.6.23.1-42.fc8.img ### title Fedora 12 (2.6.32.11-99.fc12.i686) sdb8 root (hd1,8) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.32.11-99.fc12.i686 ro \ root=UUID=f9c81025-1542-4f2d-baa1-34806e9c4235 acpi=force vga=794 \ SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 LANG=en_US.UTF-8 KEYTABLE=us initrd /initramfs-2.6.32.11-99.fc12.i686.img ## title Fedora 12 (2.6.32.10-90.fc12.i686) sdb8 root (hd1,8) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.32.10-90.fc12.i686 ro \ root=UUID=f9c81025-1542-4f2d-baa1-34806e9c4235 acpi=force vga=794 \ SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 LANG=en_US.UTF-8 KEYTABLE=us initrd /initramfs-2.6.32.10-90.fc12.i686.img +++ [note: line breaks are for clarity here. not in actual grub.conf menu.] [note: i do not have hibernate enabled for fedora] by such, i have ability to select which install and which kernel from one menu. granted, i have to do this manually by coping from other mounted partition when a new kernel is installed. but i do find this easy to do and takes less than 2 minutes. and i get a faster boot than if i had to go thru chaining and selecting a previous kernel if a new chained kernel fails. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: multibooting linux
Tom Horsley wrote: > You run "yum update" in 1st system, it rewrites grub.conf, making new > kernel the default. rewrite, yes. but rewrite [more like an insert] simply puts newest kernel at top of menu. > On the other hand if you have a standalone grub that does nothing > apply to it, you don't have to fix things by hand. if you do not mind jumping thru menus. i guess that this is another 'baskin-robbins'. :D -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
Jerry Feldman wrote: > I only have 3 extensions: (1) AdBlock Plus. I had disabled this after I > first posted the message. from adblockplus site; http://adblockplus.org/en/installation it states; Install Adblock Plus 1.2 Minimal requirements: Firefox 3.0.12, Firefox Mobile (Fennec) 1.0, Thunderbird 3.0, SeaMonkey 2.0, Songbird 1.4, Prism 1.0 Beta 1. also, on adblockplus site, this page; http://adblockplus.org/en/getting_started states; Adblock Plus is an extension for Firefox, Thunderbird, and several other applications with the primary goal of removing advertisements. tho it does include thunderbird, i am at wonder what kind of emails are you receiving that you need to remove advertisements. unless you subscribe to a lot of commercial list, i can see no need for installing in an email client. plus, unless you like to view such emails in glory of html, i do not see a need if you view emails in plain text mode. this way, most ads would tend to appear as a lot of links. for my taste, i would not install adblock in an email client. browser, yes. but here again, we are talking 'baskin-robbins'. ;) > (2) Enigmail. While I did experience the slowdown on 3.1 where there was > no enigmail. for enigmail, enigmail would not, to my understanding, run except when you first open and email and when you send and email. > (3) English Dictionary. if set to run while typing, which i do, then you may have a slight interaction as you type, but that is only when you finish typing a word and/or press space or a sentence closer. and then it acts so fast that i would not consider it to be something to cause a slowdown while typing. granted, it may be installed so that it accepts what you are typing and stores to a buffer, but i would not think doing such would cause freezing. after all, we are talking about a high speed cpu. not a 10m0 cps 8080. yet even such a slow cpu would still be fast enough to hide buffering. > Possibly I will reinstall 3.1 and either disable the 2 remaining > extensions or run it in safe mode. if Konstantin Svist is running 3.1 without problems, i see no reason that you should not be able to. if you reinstall, install 32 bit so you can get enigmail back. as you are aware of, if you start in safe-mode, extensions are disabled. you did say that you tried watching what else was running, but nothing seemed to be occurring when you had freezes. if you have 'ntp' enabled, try turning it off to see if it's causing any problems. also, anything else that maybe hitting internet. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: multibooting linux
Jerry Feldman wrote: > One possible solution is to set up your real home directory with > symlinks to different desktop configurations, such as: it is easier to have differently named home directories for each distrib and symlink to a common directory for programs. ie, symlink to mozilla thunderbird and firefox, gnucash, etc, etc. if programs are different versions, you may have to symlink to data files only. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Resizing LVM-formatted partitions
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I want to increase the size of /boot from 190MB to 500MB. If I use > gparted, I'm afraid of screwing up the LVM partition since gparted > doesn't understand LVM. one of reasons i disliked and stopped using lvm in early days. no way to simply change a physical to logical. may be now, do not know. what a friend told me he had to do one time when needed to convert was build a system with lvm, place drive with physical and logical in it. next copied files in physical off drive to new system. reformatted physical to a logical and copied files back. when he replaced drive back into original box, all went well. i do believe he had to make changes to fstab, and something else, but i do not recall. hth. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Resizing LVM-formatted partitions
Chris Adams wrote: > The reason you have to do all of this is that /boot is not under LVM (it > can't be today because the boot loader can't load from LVM), so you have > to make space in the partition table. had not thought about that, and friend dave was not working with boot. so like you say, poc will have to use 'lvreduce' to get an upper 500m0 free for his /boot. that or copy lvm to another drive, resize and restore lvm. :( -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Firefox identity strings
JD wrote: > Is there a way to dynamically alter the identity strings that firefox > sends when it connects to a web site? yes, it is called 'user agent switcher'; https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/59/ not in answer to your question, but a question to your posting. why do you post original questions in 'text/html', then follow up with 'text/plain'? btw, please reply with 'text/plain', so i do not have to change folders to see your answer. :) thank you. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
Jerry Feldman wrote: > My plan over the next few days is to run 64-bit 3.1 from Rawhide with no > extensions with ntpd and possibly some other daemons disabled. this will help. there are several daemons that can hog system for brief periods and as long as you make note of what you disable, you can restore them one by one to see if that is a part of problem. especially if any wait for a response before freeing cpu's. > Another possible cause is that it may be trying an IMAP sync to GMAIL. The > two tests here is to (1) change the timing, and (2) do offline and only > manually get mail. instead of changing timing, just disable auto checking. then you know for sure. offline will definitely be a way to narrow down problem. > After reading some of the posts on the T-Bird list, I'm leaning in this > direction. for sure. and note which are ms and which are linux. > If things go well, then we'll re-enable some of these. I will install the > 32-bit 3.1 with no extensions and see if that is clean, then install > enigmail and a few other extensions after testing for a while. for now, 32 bit is only way to get enigmail. > The one common factor is that top shows Thunderbird using 100% CPU. a problem with top is it does not show which cpu is being used by what, and this can be a problem in troubleshooting. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Firefox identity strings
JD wrote: > Thank you Steven, Michael and G for the clue. most welcome. > It is a good one. only one that i am aware of. it does work well. > re: text vs html: I had not edited the contacts in Thunderbird to set > the preference for this list to be text only. Now it is. thank you. now i can keep up with your post better. :D -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Firefox identity strings
JD wrote: > Again, I clicked Tools -> Agent -> Edit and the popped windows shows no > list of user agents at all. So I created one of my own. right click 'tool bar', click 'customize'. you should see and icon for 'user agent switcher'. drag and drop it on 'tool bar'. close 'customize'. > I tried to contact the developer about it, but ther is not "Contacts us" > link on the page :) http://chrispederick.com/contact/ hth. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Firefox identity strings
JD wrote: > Found a large list of user agents strings. > wget -c -ndH http://qainsight.net/content/binary/AgentStrings20070304.xml > and import it into the userAgent i thank you for link. i have not had need for other than ms ie, but they may come in handy. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: multibooting linux
Patrick Bartek wrote: > Wouldn't the sleeping/hibernating system file have a unique designation? i have never looked into what is actually done, but i would imagine that within first few bytes of *swap partition* there would be some form of coding to indicate if partition contained hibernation data. for sure, if you designate in grub.config menu that there is a swap/hibernation/restore partition, there is a check made during system boot. as to bytes being unique to a particular distrib and version, i can not say. if it does not designate such, there can/may/will be problems when booting system tries to restore from a hibernation it did not set up. > During the days of the 1024 cylinder limit a single /boot partition was > SOP. Never had any problems booting multiple Linux installs with different > kernels, etc. 'boot' or '/boot'? how many of those systems had hibernation? also, remember, 1024 cylinders were both physical and logical. one cylinder could have been 2 to 256 surfaces, depending on how many platters and read/write heads where used and how oem configured. or was 64 or 512? too long to recall. :) > True. But, as you said, you'd have to be careful with the bookkeeping to > keep everything straight. K.I.S.S. is my motto. Also, "You can't fix > stupid!" ;-) well i guess that shows i am not stupid because i do it and have not problems with 4 different installations. > There are "other" ways, yes, but whether they're "better" depends on user > needs and system requirements. if one '/home' can be shared among 4 installations, i would say that is a better way to make use of a '/home' partition and disk space. > Used to when testing a particular distro for consideration, I would install > the entire distro on its / partition. No /home or /boot, etc. partitions. > Then edit my default system's grub.conf to boot it directly. No > chainloading. I might 4 or 5 distro tests done this way. Not the "best" > way, but it kept everything isolated and made it easy to get rid of > completely when I wanted to. this i do also, but after testing, i move user's home directory to '/home' partition with a new name and then alter 'passwd' and 'fstab' to show changes. '/boot' i leave alone. > Today, I use VMs. Much easier. if i had fast multi core / cpu and enough memory, i would be running a vm. at this time it is not possible. problem is, when i can afford them, by then, with new mainboard, i will not have to give up keyboard and thumb marble i now use because they are ps2. :( anyway, as i said, what works for you and you can maintain, that is what you should use. and 'you' as plural. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
Jerry Feldman wrote: > This weekend I plan on installing the 32-bit version initially with no > extensions after further checking. much luck. may your weekend be productive, joy full, and time spent with more pleasurable time than 32 bit thunderbird. :D later. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: T-bird pop mail files -
Bob Goodwin wrote: > It seems I ask this question after every new Fedora release. How do > I go about transferring my Thunderbird pop mail files from this F-12 > computer to a second computer running F-13. and you will probably ask again. ;) in order to transfer your files, read and bookmark these links; http://kb.mozillazine.org/Backing_up_your_mail%2C_address_books%2C_and_settings http://kb.mozillazine.org/MozBackup http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_your_profile_to_another_computer http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_your_profile_folder http://kb.mozillazine.org/Transferring_data_to_a_new_profile_-_Thunderbird also, check links within pages. check at bottom of pages where they show 'see also' and 'external links' a 'cut and dry', easy method: in your old home directory, you will find a directory '.thunderbird'. 'cd' down thru path to 'profile' directory, where you will find a directory with a name of 'Mail' in it. below this is where your email accounts and 'Local Folders' are stored. copy the entire path from 'Mail' to a cd/dvd or 'usb memory stick' or 'usb disk drive'. open thunderbird in your new install and then close it. this will build your new '.thunderbird' in new install home directory. 'cd' down thru path to 'profile' directory, where you will find directory 'Mail'. rename to 'Mail.00' or what ever. you will also see a file in 'profile' directory named 'panacea.dat'. delete it. copy your old installation's 'Mail' from your backup to your 'profile' directory. open thunderbird in new install. thunderbird will take a few minutes to rebuild 'panacea.dat' for your accounts and emails. then it will open with 'account tree' collapsed. click [+] to left side of account names and 'Local Folders' and you will see all of you email folders restored. > I've been running Redhat and Fedora Linux since 1999 and have never > once succeeded in transferring my mail files. follow above links and 2010 will be year you will set history for a new achievement. :D questions? -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Request for a K3B enhancement... multiple disk data splitting.
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > What about the people who want to store on tapes (they exist!). Should we > change the tape archiving software as well? tape archiving, ie, cpio and tar, as well as any good tape program, already have ability to store to more than one tape. it is primarily cd/dvd programs that are lacking in ability. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > I thought it was sufficient to look into the headers > of the offending email spammmers and add these respective > IP address and/or host names to the /etc/mail/access file, > but I am beginning to suspect that these headers could be > easily spoofed with bogus entries, right? right. i will make you a suggestion for a method that i use and i have posted to other threads on this list and to thunderbird support list. call it what you want, *spam/junk/phishing*, it is all mail that you do not wish to see. because you are using thunderbird for you email client, set up your junk filtering to move junk email to 'Junk' folder and 'not mark as read'. in your 'tool bar', right click, select 'customize' and from 'customize toolbar' window drag 'Junk' icon to .tool bar', close window. if you read emails in single 'view' window, do same as above for it. when you receive a 'spam/junk/phishing' email, click on email to highlight and click 'Junk' icon on 'tool bar' to move it to 'Junk' folder. when viewing emails in 'view' window, and you have a 'spam/junk/phishing' email appear, click 'Junk' icon to move email to 'Junk' folder. once you have done this for a few emails, 'junk filters' will kick in and start sending 'spam/junk/phishing' emails to 'Junk' folder. when this happens, you will note 'Junk' folder in bold type and small red sun icon will appear. highlight 'Junk' folder to view 'Subject' and 'Sender' to verify that it is 'spam/junk/phishing' email. from time to time you will have 'spam/junk/phishing' emails come in thru list that you are subscribed to. just mark them as 'junk' and they will get sent to 'Junk' folder. this will cause a few good emails to be sent to 'Junk' folder and this is why you leave marked as 'unread' so 'Junk' folder will bold and show you have new 'spam/junk/phishing'. when you highlight email that is good and click 'Junk' icon as 'not junk', move to proper folder. this will take a few times to train thunderbird's junk filters, but it is well worth little effort it takes and you will catch email that 'sendmail' does not catch from headers. also, before readers try to tell me it will not work, try it yourself and you will find that it does. i used this method and it does work to catch what is not caught by my email service providers and has been doing so for several years. hth. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Thunderbird 3.1 and enigmail
Steven Stern wrote: > Does anyone have enigmail 1.1 working with Thunderbird 3.1? > > I've installed tbird 3.1 in /usr/local and updated enigmail to version > 1.1. When I start, it says it's unable to start gpg-agent. gpg-agent is > installed, from the rpm gnupg2-2.0.14-2.fc13.i686 enigmail v1.1.1 is release for thunderbird 3.1 32 bit. see; http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ you installed thunderbird in /usr/local, but default is '/usr/lib/thunderbird-x/'. not for sure, but this may be a part of problem. you show gpg as .i686, a 32 bit version. is thunderbird 32 bit? if not, then a problem. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Thunderbird 3.1 and enigmail
Ed Greshko wrote: > I just downloaded and installed tbird 3.1.1 RC2 and enigmail 1.1. > > Works fine on F13 under KDE. did you install tb 3.1.1 to /usr/local/ or /usr/lib/? enigmail 1.1 or 1.1.1? > > Ed > > -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Thunderbird 3.1 and enigmail
Ed Greshko wrote: >> did you install tb 3.1.1 to /usr/local/ or /usr/lib/? >> > /usr/local/mozilla/thunderbird interesting. was that a 'yum' from fedora, or did you pull from mozilla? if yum, did you redirect it? if pulled from mozilla, that was default? >> enigmail 1.1 or 1.1.1? >> > 1.1.1 ok. ria, curious for future reference. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Thunderbird 3.1 and enigmail
Ed Greshko wrote: > Since we are talking about TB 3.1.1 and since the most recent version > available via the F13 repository is 3.0.5-1 ... :-) ok. i have not installed f13 or reinstalled f12 yet, i was not able to check versions and did not recall what was being used. i use scientific linux 5.4 for my internet access and email. using thunderbird 2.0.0.24. no update jumps for thunderbird yet. there is an update out for firefox from 3.0.19 to 3.6 due to security issues. from what i have seen on firefox list, i may end up regretting having to make move. but security is reason enough for 'grin and bare it'. > mozilla releases these as tar files. There is no "default". true, but i consider using '/usr/local' as default for tared progs. tho it really could be called 'normal'. thanks for replies. later. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Request for a K3B enhancement... multiple disk data splitting.
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Neither tar nor cpio force you to use tape. true. but they are easier to use than a lot of tape backup progs. i never learned to use tar, as i was taught using 'find | cpio'. > In fact they are usually not used with tape at all not true. could be things are run a little different on this side of pond. 'find | cpio' was used by 5 admin's on mainframe systems that i did equipment support on. numerous other admin's for mainframe that i know, also used 'find | cpio' for backup. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: T-bird pop mail files -
Bob Goodwin wrote: > On 25/06/10 13:34, Craig White wrote: >> should work if you can ping it > Also, someone suggested using "rsync" [which I asked about several > days ago and got no response?] > > The message suggesting rsync was received in t-bird on the "new" > computer [box9] and when I ran: > > [b...@box9 ~]$ rsync -av b...@box6:/home/bobg/.thunderbird . try; [b...@box9 ~]$ rsync -a -r -v b...@box6:/home/bobg/.thunderbird/ ./ you must have '/' at end of each path. > The message was lost. This does a fine job of making both sets of > mail files the same, effectively replacing the box9 files with the > box6 mail files which was what I wanted to do in the first place. > But now I would also like to keep the existing messages and add to > box9 any new messages that box6 has collected. [b...@box9 ~]$ rsync -a -r -u -v b...@box6:/home/bobg/.thunderbird/ ./ '-u' is update files. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
Jerry Feldman wrote: > Preliminary results. I went back and checked every account setting, and > I found that I was downloading all iMAP mail, and since gmail stores > SPAM for 30 days and stores trash forever, the All MAIL folder was huge. sounds like someone forgot to do his 'monthly house cleaning'. when i first ran imap, once a week, i would use ftp to pull my inbox to a local file, then delete inbox and upload a new inbox with the 'do not remove' notice. next i would wipe my local record file. so i never had a large server inbox file to be aware of any freezing. being that at that time i was on dial up, i am sure i would have noticed. > So far I have not experienced a freeze, so I am assuming that the > apparent freeze condition was of my own making by not reviewing my > settings. may well be cured. i can imagine overhead in comparing local to server. glad to see you found a reasonable explanation. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Thunderbird 3.1 and enigmail
Jerry Feldman wrote: > I'm running 64-bit 3.1 with enigmail 1.01 with no problem. interesting. [note link below] 1.01? or do you mean 1.0.1? makes me wonder why enigmail folks came out with enigmail 1.1.1 and do not have a 64 bit version for thunderbird 3.1 64 bit yet. maybe you should have a look at; http://enigmail.mozdev.org/news/index.php -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Request for a K3B enhancement... multiple disk data splitting.
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > You may have misunderstood what I meant. I didn't mean "people don't use > tar or cpio when backing up to tape". ok. > I meant "people mostly use tar and cpio for tasks other than backing up to > tape". This is self-evident given the huge number of tarballs (and some > cpio sets) available for download, which have nothing to do with tape > backup. i believe that this is because tar became a 'bad habit' and did not change to rpm when it came out because of rpm being more difficult to master. when i want to 'package' files, i use cpio. too many things can happen with tar files. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Firefox got better...
Tom Horsley wrote: > So, if anyone else has noticed flash flashing them, > get the firefox update :-). this was an issue and discussed on firefox support list. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Request for a K3B enhancement... multiple disk data splitting.
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Apples and oranges. Tar and rpm are not directly comparable. true. i was thinking zip. my fingers and eyes were not listening. > I've never liked cpio (you use what you know) but that's a matter of > personal preference. if you did any backing up with tape, you would use cpio. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
