Re: SELinux

2010-08-30 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 13:29 +0900, Takehiko Abe wrote:
> not necessarily appropriate for all users.  SELINUX is
> so horrible to use, that after wasting a large amount of time
> enabling it and then watching all of my applications die a
> horrible death since they didn't have the appropriate
> hand-crafted security policy, caused me to swear off of it.

You have to wonder if those programs had such big problems because they
were badly coded, trying to do things that they shouldn't do.

You see warnings with some programs about it trying to make something
executable that SELinux says shouldn't be necessary.  Suggesting that
the programmer is one those who believes that their software should be
able to do absolutely anything without any restriction.

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Re: Fedora 13 installation over vnc - Xvnc refuses connection

2010-08-30 Thread Ambarish Sridharanarayanan
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, Ambarish Sridharanarayanan wrote:

> I'm trying to install Fedora 13 over VNC [1], with TigerVNC on Windows as
> the VNC client. In the middle, my connection dropped; when reconnecting,
> TigerVNC tells me "The server is already in use". Looking at the sources,
> it looks like the XVnc thinks there's an active connection, and it looks
> like was passed on a -nevershared option. And IdleTimeout=0 is also passed
> in. Any way to reconnect to the running Anaconda to complete the
> installation? I'd like to not have to run through Anaconda again.
>
> [1] 
> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/13/html/Installation_Guide/sn-remoteaccess-installation.html

Fixed the problem by

* downloading debug symbols for tigervnc
* extracting symbol files (rpm2cpio)
* attaching gdb to the running Xvnc process and with the help of the symbol 
file, changing idleTimeOut to 1 sec, so that the stale connection would be 
recycled

I'm filing a bug against Anaconda. I can understand IdleTimeout=0, but not 
-nevershared
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Re: SELinux

2010-08-30 Thread mike cloaked
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 1:18 AM, Patrick Dupre  wrote:

>> Try:
>>
>> chcon -t texrel_shlib_t \
>>  /usr/local/lib/perl5/auto/Math/GSL/Errno/Errno.so
>>
> OK, it works for Errno.so, but I have to do it all the files of the
> package !

You can set context for all the files in a directory (such as
/usr/local/lib/perl5/auto/Math/GSL ) by doing:
semanage fcontext -a -t textrel_shlib_t
'/usr/local/lib/perl5/auto/Math/GSL(/.*)?'
then
restorecon -vR /usr/local/lib/perl5/auto/Math/GSL

This will then allow you to set that context in all the files if they
change in the future by repeating the restorecon command.
Also the files will have their contexts correctly reset after an
autorelabel as well.

I would strongly suggest that you read the selinux guide.

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Re: SELinux

2010-08-30 Thread Ed Greshko
 On 08/30/2010 04:30 PM, mike cloaked wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 1:18 AM, Patrick Dupre  wrote:
>
>>> Try:
>>>
>>> chcon -t texrel_shlib_t \
>>>  /usr/local/lib/perl5/auto/Math/GSL/Errno/Errno.so
>>>
>> OK, it works for Errno.so, but I have to do it all the files of the
>> package !
> You can set context for all the files in a directory (such as
> /usr/local/lib/perl5/auto/Math/GSL ) by doing:
> semanage fcontext -a -t textrel_shlib_t
> '/usr/local/lib/perl5/auto/Math/GSL(/.*)?'
> then
> restorecon -vR /usr/local/lib/perl5/auto/Math/GSL
>
> This will then allow you to set that context in all the files if they
> change in the future by repeating the restorecon command.
> Also the files will have their contexts correctly reset after an
> autorelabel as well.
>
> I would strongly suggest that you read the selinux guide.
>

Another thing to do would be to google "customizing selinux policy" (or
similar words/phrase) and then create a local policy.

Someplace like http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/SELinux is a good start.


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Re: SELinux

2010-08-30 Thread Patrick Dupre

Thank.


On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 1:18 AM, Patrick Dupre  wrote:


Try:

chcon -t texrel_shlib_t \
 /usr/local/lib/perl5/auto/Math/GSL/Errno/Errno.so


OK, it works for Errno.so, but I have to do it all the files of the
package !


You can set context for all the files in a directory (such as
/usr/local/lib/perl5/auto/Math/GSL ) by doing:
semanage fcontext -a -t textrel_shlib_t
'/usr/local/lib/perl5/auto/Math/GSL(/.*)?'
then
restorecon -vR /usr/local/lib/perl5/auto/Math/GSL

This will then allow you to set that context in all the files if they
change in the future by repeating the restorecon command.
Also the files will have their contexts correctly reset after an
autorelabel as well.

I would strongly suggest that you read the selinux guide.




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Re: Fedora 13 installation over vnc - Xvnc refuses connection

2010-08-30 Thread Roberto Ragusa
Ambarish Sridharanarayanan wrote:

> Fixed the problem by
> 
> * downloading debug symbols for tigervnc
> * extracting symbol files (rpm2cpio)
> * attaching gdb to the running Xvnc process and with the help of the symbol 
> file, changing idleTimeOut to 1 sec, so that the stale connection would be 
> recycled

This means that Fedora is still used by power users after all.
;-)

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pkg for gnome daemon configuration

2010-08-30 Thread admin lewis
Hi,
anyone know what package I've to install on fedora 12 to configure
daemon/services startup ?
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Re: pkg for gnome daemon configuration

2010-08-30 Thread JB
admin lewis  gmail.com> writes:

> 
> Hi,anyone know what package I've to install on fedora 12 to configure
daemon/services startup ?
> 
$ yum info chkconfig
$ yum info system-config-services

JB



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network mgr applet - cannot disable wireless

2010-08-30 Thread Genes MailLists

   Often when I do backups on laptop, I'll plug in wired ethernet - NM
happily switches the connection from wireless to wired -

 however it always leaves the wireless on as well
 + correct if its a different subnet than wired
 + arguably wrong if its the same subnet - probably a bug ? - or at
least it should offer to shutoff wireless when the 2 subnets are the same.

  Since the route via wireless is active, the backup could/does use
wireless instead of wired. So I usually right click the nm applet and
disable wireless.

  Today - that option along with the disable netowrking option are
grayed out and I can not uncheck the 'emable wireless/networking radio
buttons.


This is f13 - fully updated (+ some testing and 2.6.32.6-47 kernel
from koji). NetworkManager is 8.1.4.git20100817.


   Anyway know what causes this or suggestions on how to deal with it ?

Thanks ..

   gene/
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Re: SELinux

2010-08-30 Thread Takehiko Abe
> I've had exactly the opposite experience running SELinux, even with hand-
> compiled applications from a variety of sources - including my own.

You say "the opposite" but you seem to have a lot of problems and
spent fair amount of time because of SELinux. And what you get in
return? Nothing except for a vague notion of "security".
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SELINUX

2010-08-30 Thread Patrick Dupre

Hello,

Trying to install the intel compiler, I get:
Your system is protected with Security-enhanced Linux (SELinux).
We currently support only "Permissive" mode, which is
not found on the system.
To rectify this issue, you may either disable SELinux by
   - setting the line "SELINUX=disabled" in your 
/etc/sysconfig/selinux file
   - adding "selinux=0" kernel argument in lilo.conf or grub.conf 
files

or make SELinux mode adjustment by
   - setting the line "SELINUX=permissive" in your 
/etc/sysconfig/selinux file

or ask your system administrator to make SELinux mode adjustment.


Would ou just turn off SELINX ?
I know I need to learn about SELinux !

Thank.

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Re: SELinux

2010-08-30 Thread Takehiko Abe
> You have to wonder if those programs had such big problems because they
> were badly coded, trying to do things that they shouldn't do.

So you measure the quality of the programs with SELinux. Ouch.


> You see warnings with some programs about it trying to make something
> executable that SELinux says shouldn't be necessary.  Suggesting that
> the programmer is one those who believes that their software should be
> able to do absolutely anything without any restriction.

It does not suggest such a thing. Linux is not Microsoft Windows.
No SELinux does not mean no restriction or no security.
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Re: pkg for gnome daemon configuration

2010-08-30 Thread Takehiko Abe
> anyone know what package I've to install on fedora 12 to configure
> daemon/services startup ?

ntsysv
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Re: HP 6930p: mute button doesn't work properly

2010-08-30 Thread Daniel J Walsh
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On 08/29/2010 01:25 PM, Tim wrote:
> On Sat, 2010-08-28 at 20:09 +0200, Zoltan Hoppar wrote:
>> Secondly - create an empty text file - named 'alsa-base.conf'
>> Third - For content insert this single line without quotes - ' options
>> snd-hda-intel position_fix=1' - and save it.
>> Fourth - place this file as root to /etc/modprobe.d
> 
> If you don't want SELinux issues, you should probably:  Either create
> that file in that location, or cp (copy) it to there.  But don't mv
> (move) it to there.
> 
You can mv it but make sure you fix the label, by executing restorecon
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Re: SELinux

2010-08-30 Thread Daniel J Walsh
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On 08/29/2010 11:27 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> With fedora 13, when I use Math:GSL, I get an error message:
>  Can't load '/usr/local/lib/perl5/auto/Math/GSL/Errno/Errno.so' for
> module Math::GSL::Errno:
> /usr/local/lib/perl5/auto/Math/GSL/Errno/Errno.so: cannot restore
> segment prot after reloc: Permission denied at
> /usr/lib/perl5/DynaLoader.pm line 200.
> 
> if I do not switch SELinux to permissive !!
> 
> IE I cannot use enforcing
> 
Ignoring the usual SELinux sucks/no it does not rant.

Patrick,

SELinux is noticing that Math:CSL has built libraries that require text
relocation, and were not marked as such.

http://www.akkadia.org/drepper/selinux-mem.html

Explains the access check.

SELinux is all about labeling.  Every process and file has a label and
there are rules about how the processes and labels interact.  When you
have an SELinux problem, usually either the labeling is wrong or the
rules are wrong.

http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/30837.html

In this case it looks like Math:CSL either built their libraries
incorrectly or require code that triggers this access (Assemply)?  So
you have two choices either change the labels on the shared libraries to
allow the access, using semanage fcontext ...

Or you can turn off the check altogether.

# setsebool -P allow_execmod 1


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Re: SELINUX

2010-08-30 Thread JB
Patrick Dupre  york.ac.uk> writes:

> 
> Hello,
> 
> Trying to install the intel compiler, I get:
> Your system is protected with Security-enhanced Linux (SELinux).
> We currently support only "Permissive" mode, which is
> not found on the system.
> To rectify this issue, you may either disable SELinux by
> - setting the line "SELINUX=disabled" in your 
> /etc/sysconfig/selinux file
> - adding "selinux=0" kernel argument in lilo.conf or grub.conf 
> files
> or make SELinux mode adjustment by
> - setting the line "SELINUX=permissive" in your 
> /etc/sysconfig/selinux file
> or ask your system administrator to make SELinux mode adjustment.
> 
> Would ou just turn off SELINX ?
> I know I need to learn about SELinux !
> 
> Thank.
> 
Enforcing mode = Security policy decisions are enforced, policy violations are
logged.
Permissive mode = Security policy decisions are not enforced, policy violations
are logged.
Disabled = Security policy decisions are not computed.

So, permissive mode is only useful for policy development.
If you do not, you may as well disable selinux.
JB



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Re: SELinux

2010-08-30 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:36:52 -0400
Daniel J Walsh wrote:

> In this case it looks like Math:CSL either built their libraries
> incorrectly or require code that triggers this access (Assemply)?

Yea, it is very very simple to have a library with hand coded
assembly as part of it that is missing the obscure assembly
directives that set the flags marking the text as really being
execute only and the data as really being non-executable.

Usually comparing the assembly with the assembly output from
gcc for a small function will enable you to discover the
wondrous gibberish the hand coded assembly needs to add :-).
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Re: SELINUX

2010-08-30 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:12:14 +0100 (BST)
Patrick Dupre wrote:

> Would ou just turn off SELINX ?
> I know I need to learn about SELinux !

Well, here's my opinion of selinux:

http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/wisdom/braindump/selinux.html

No doubt there are those who disagree though :-).
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Re: SELinux

2010-08-30 Thread Genes MailLists


   Dan - thank you. selinux is outstanding - and through your efforts
(and others) especially on the fedora policy files, grown over the last
several years into something really useful.

   Anti-selinux folk. It takes work to  deploy it on some systems for
sure and I am just learning - i have a lot of work on one system to get
it compliant. For many setups targeted policy works with no changes at all.

   Please avoid the rude remarks - i.e. be excellent :)

   If some of you are not using it fine. But to claim it has little or
no security suggests nothing but enormous ignorance of security issues.

  If one does not have the xxx (time, resources, ability, whatever) to
make the effort to tune those systems which need some work fine - dont
do it - that decision has nothing to do with security - only _your_
choices.


  To Dan, Stephen (and the NSA) and all the others - thank you for
helping advance linux security.

  gene/


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Re: SELINUX

2010-08-30 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 30 August 2010 13:27, Tom Horsley  wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:12:14 +0100 (BST)
> Patrick Dupre wrote:
>
>> Would ou just turn off SELINX ?
>> I know I need to learn about SELinux !
>
> Well, here's my opinion of selinux:
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/wisdom/braindump/selinux.html
>
> No doubt there are those who disagree though :-).

I'm not saying whether I agree or disagree, but I do like to see a little
more evidence and references when people quote "Facts". I realise this
is your opinion, but you're making statements labelled as facts without
backing that up... bad karma...

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Re: SELinux

2010-08-30 Thread Tim
Tim:
>> You have to wonder if those programs had such big problems because they
>> were badly coded, trying to do things that they shouldn't do.

Takehiko Abe:
> So you measure the quality of the programs with SELinux. Ouch.

I certainly put bad marks against programs which do unwise things (try
to read things they shouldn't, try to write where they shouldn't, try to
execute things that the shouldn't, etc.).  SELinux warnings are just one
set of red flags.

>> You see warnings with some programs about it trying to make something
>> executable that SELinux says shouldn't be necessary.  Suggesting that
>> the programmer is one those who believes that their software should be
>> able to do absolutely anything without any restriction.

> It does not suggest such a thing.

When I see warnings that some program has tried to read some file
completely unrelated to its operation, yes I do believe that the
programmer is one of those that thinks that their program should do
anything that they want, regardless of other concerns.

> Linux is not Microsoft Windows.

Though some programmers seem to think that it should be.  Some users,
too.

> No SELinux does not mean no restriction or no security.

I never said it.  But when you see something trying to read something
that it shouldn't, that was stopped by SELinux, it's a window into the
mindset of the program author.

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Re: SELinux

2010-08-30 Thread Takehiko Abe
>> So you measure the quality of the programs with SELinux. Ouch.
>
> I certainly put bad marks against programs which do unwise things
>

Unwise according to SELinux -- another program.

>> Linux is not Microsoft Windows.
>
> Though some programmers seem to think that it should be.  Some
> users, too.

heh. To me it looks like many fedora users are so much traumatized by
Windows insecurity that they brought the same habits into computing on
Linux which are not necessary -- like fearing HTML mail or feeling
vulnerable without firewall or other security enhancing softwares...

>> No SELinux does not mean no restriction or no security.
>
> I never said it.  But when you see something trying to read something
> that it shouldn't, that was stopped by SELinux, it's a window into the
> mindset of the program author.

Care to give an example? Which program tries to read which file?
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re: network mgr applet - cannot disable wireless

2010-08-30 Thread Gianluca Cecchi
On Mon Aug 30 12:01:10 UTC 2010 Genes MailLists   wrote:
> Today - that option along with the disable netowrking option are
> grayed out and I can not uncheck the 'emable wireless/networking radio
> buttons.

Hi, I posted same problem a few hours ago:
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-August/381764.html

let's keep only one thread on this open, for simpler following

Best regards,
Gianluca
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Re: F12/13: Ndiswrapper, topdog Wifi, Thunderbird & network degradation...

2010-08-30 Thread John W. Linville
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 10:55:43AM -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
> 
> I have a gateway M-6750 laptop which sports a
> Marvell TopDog wifi chip.  I have obtained the
> latest drivers for this chip, and used ndiswrapper
> to hook itself to the XP/Vista topdog driver, and
> it at first appears to be working... although there
> are crash data appearing in the log files but other
> than that, it continues on working.

I'm sorry, but I can't offer you any support for ndiswrapper.  Did you
try the mwl8k driver?

John
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Re: network mgr applet - cannot disable wireless

2010-08-30 Thread Wolfgang S. Rupprecht

Genes MailLists  writes:
>Often when I do backups on laptop, I'll plug in wired ethernet - NM
> happily switches the connection from wireless to wired -
>
>  however it always leaves the wireless on as well
>  + correct if its a different subnet than wired
>  + arguably wrong if its the same subnet - probably a bug ? - or at
> least it should offer to shutoff wireless when the 2 subnets are the same.
>
>   Since the route via wireless is active, the backup could/does use
> wireless instead of wired. So I usually right click the nm applet and
> disable wireless.
>
>   Today - that option along with the disable netowrking option are
> grayed out and I can not uncheck the 'emable wireless/networking radio
> buttons.
>
>
>   This is f13 - fully updated (+ some testing and 2.6.32.6-47 kernel
> from koji). NetworkManager is 8.1.4.git20100817.
>
>
>Anyway know what causes this or suggestions on how to deal with it ?

I am in the same boat and it is darn annoying.  I'm thinking that I may
have to go to a routed wireless net instead of bridged so that I can
differentiate between the two links at the routing level and add a bit
of routing cost to the wireless link.

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Re: SELINUX

2010-08-30 Thread Daniel J Walsh
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On 08/30/2010 08:12 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Trying to install the intel compiler, I get:
> Your system is protected with Security-enhanced Linux (SELinux).
> We currently support only "Permissive" mode, which is
> not found on the system.
> To rectify this issue, you may either disable SELinux by
>- setting the line "SELINUX=disabled" in your
> /etc/sysconfig/selinux file
>- adding "selinux=0" kernel argument in lilo.conf or grub.conf files
> or make SELinux mode adjustment by
>- setting the line "SELINUX=permissive" in your
> /etc/sysconfig/selinux file
> or ask your system administrator to make SELinux mode adjustment.
> 
> 
> Would ou just turn off SELINX ?
> I know I need to learn about SELinux !
> 
> Thank.
> 

Patrik I have no idea why Intel would require SELinux in permissive mode
to install.  Actually it might have something to do with the exec* checks.

If you turned off the execmod and execstack check, the intel compiler
should be able to install without any problems.

# setsebool allow_execstack=1 allow_execmod=1


I would bet that it will work without you setting it to permissive mode,
but you can temporarily set it to permissive mode by executing

# setenforce 0

Then install the package.

# setenforce 1

Puts the machine back into enforcing mode.

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Re: network mgr applet - cannot disable wireless

2010-08-30 Thread Terry Polzin
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 07:54 -0700, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:
> Genes MailLists  writes:
> >Often when I do backups on laptop, I'll plug in wired ethernet - NM
> > happily switches the connection from wireless to wired -
> >
> >  however it always leaves the wireless on as well
> >  + correct if its a different subnet than wired
> >  + arguably wrong if its the same subnet - probably a bug ? - or at
> > least it should offer to shutoff wireless when the 2 subnets are the same.
> >
> >   Since the route via wireless is active, the backup could/does use
> > wireless instead of wired. So I usually right click the nm applet and
> > disable wireless.
> >
> >   Today - that option along with the disable netowrking option are
> > grayed out and I can not uncheck the 'emable wireless/networking radio
> > buttons.
> >
> >
> > This is f13 - fully updated (+ some testing and 2.6.32.6-47 kernel
> > from koji). NetworkManager is 8.1.4.git20100817.
> >
> >
> >Anyway know what causes this or suggestions on how to deal with it ?
> 
> I am in the same boat and it is darn annoying.  I'm thinking that I may
> have to go to a routed wireless net instead of bridged so that I can
> differentiate between the two links at the routing level and add a bit
> of routing cost to the wireless link.
> 
> -wolfgang
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There are lot's of things that don't work in NM-APPLET,  I can't create
a vpnc connection, nor can I get my wireless card to stay in managed
mode from reboot to reboot.  I have to physically turn off the wireless
card on my D630 to keep from attaching to co-workers web enabled phones
ad-hoc at the office.

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Re: network mgr applet - cannot disable wireless

2010-08-30 Thread Steven Stern
On 08/30/2010 07:01 AM, Genes MailLists wrote:
> 
>Often when I do backups on laptop, I'll plug in wired ethernet - NM
> happily switches the connection from wireless to wired -
> 
>  however it always leaves the wireless on as well
>  + correct if its a different subnet than wired
>  + arguably wrong if its the same subnet - probably a bug ? - or at
> least it should offer to shutoff wireless when the 2 subnets are the same.
> 
>   Since the route via wireless is active, the backup could/does use
> wireless instead of wired. So I usually right click the nm applet and
> disable wireless.
> 
>   Today - that option along with the disable netowrking option are
> grayed out and I can not uncheck the 'emable wireless/networking radio
> buttons.
> 
> 
>   This is f13 - fully updated (+ some testing and 2.6.32.6-47 kernel
> from koji). NetworkManager is 8.1.4.git20100817.
> 
> 
>Anyway know what causes this or suggestions on how to deal with it ?
> 
> Thanks ..
> 
>gene/


I clicked on EDIT CONNECTIONS. nm-applet asked for the root password.
Now, all the formerly grayed out boxes are enabled. Whatever is going on
seems to be in the applet.

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Re: network mgr applet - cannot disable wireless

2010-08-30 Thread Genes MailLists
Followup - after switching to wired being on wired for a while - the
radio buttons are no longer grayed out ... it now seems normal.

 This may be useful for the bug.
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Re: SELinux

2010-08-30 Thread Ed Greshko
 On 08/30/2010 10:25 PM, Takehiko Abe wrote:
> heh. To me it looks like many fedora users are so much traumatized by
> Windows insecurity that they brought the same habits into computing on
> Linux which are not necessary -- like fearing HTML mail or feeling
> vulnerable without firewall or other security enhancing softwares...

It is up to the individual to decided on the level of security they
desire.  Some may consider certain precautions to be based on paranoia.

I think you know that it is certainly possible to deploy a web server
and applications on the web server which, if done improperly, could
expose the system to unnecessary risks.  And, you should also know that
certain selinux policies are designed to mitigate that risk.  One could
argue that the perfect web server designer/administrator doesn't need
that sort of protection...but when you find perfect programmers please
let me know.

As for "fear" of HTML email...  Most of the aversion to  HTML mail on
this list is due to the added size of the message.  Me, I don't care
about the size.  What has turned me off on HTML email is the way some
people/companies abuse it.  There was this one company, from northern
Asia, that sent messages in HTML with 1 pixel images embedded to be
retrieved from their web server.  Each message they sent had a different
image embedded such that they could match the message with the image
retrieval and know that the message was opened/displayed by someone. 
This was their way of getting around people refusing to "acknowledge
receipt".  

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Re: Advanced Format drives + RAID5 + LVM + EXT4 = migraine

2010-08-30 Thread Jake Peavy
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Robert Arkiletian  wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Jake Peavy  wrote:
> ...
> >
> >
> > I have a feeling my array should perform much better than this and it's
> > probably because I haven't taken the 4k sector size into account and I'm
> > bleeding performance.
> >
> > Can anyone comment?  If I need to take the 4k sector size into account,
> > where should I do so?  With partitions?  In pvcreate?  Some other place?
> Or
> > multiple places?
> >
>
> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-4kb-sector-disks/
>

Yeah, I had read that prior to posting, but let me know if I followed it
correctly.  It sounds to me (from the sidebar) that I don't need to do
anything because I'm using software RAID and it already operates with 4kB
multiples.  Yes?

If so, and I have everything configured correctly, the question then
becomes: How does one know if one is getting the most out of their
hardware?  I was expecting more like 70-100MB/s writes, and 100-200MB/s
reads.

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Re: F12/13: Ndiswrapper, topdog Wifi, Thunderbird & network degradation...

2010-08-30 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On 08/30/2010 07:49 AM, John W. Linville wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 10:55:43AM -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
>   
>> I have a gateway M-6750 laptop which sports a
>> Marvell TopDog wifi chip.  I have obtained the
>> latest drivers for this chip, and used ndiswrapper
>> to hook itself to the XP/Vista topdog driver, and
>> it at first appears to be working... although there
>> are crash data appearing in the log files but other
>> than that, it continues on working.
>> 
> I'm sorry, but I can't offer you any support for ndiswrapper.  Did you
> try the mwl8k driver?
>
> John
>   
No I have not tried this driver...  where can I get it?

Thanks!

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Re: network mgr applet - cannot disable wireless

2010-08-30 Thread g
On 08/30/2010 02:30 PM, Gianluca Cecchi wrote:


> Hi, I posted same problem a few hours ago:
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-August/381764.html
> 
> let's keep only one thread on this open, for simpler following

so close your post and follow 'genes maillist' thread, being that it
has replies and is a thread.


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Download confirmation now not prompts me!

2010-08-30 Thread Parshwa Murdia
hi,
In a sudden changing manner, now if I try to update the system, using
the command,

[fedo...@localhost ~]$ su -
Password:
[r...@localhost ~]# yum update

It doesn't prompt me to type in 'y' or 'n' if some downloadable update
is there unlike earlier when I used to type in 'yes' to download a
particular package of some size and update the system. Not only in
this command but in some other commands also, I have the same thing
repeating when I am not being prompted for tying in 'y' or 'n' for the
confirmation of download. Why could this happen all of a sudden?
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Re: SELINUX

2010-08-30 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 12:43:39 +,
  JB  wrote:
> 
> So, permissive mode is only useful for policy development.
> If you do not, you may as well disable selinux.
> JB

Permissive mode keeps files properly labelled. If you ever use disabled mode,
you need to do a relabel if you go back to permissive or enforcing.
You really want permissive unless you know you plan to use disabled for
the foreseeable future.
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Re: SELinux

2010-08-30 Thread Mark Eggers
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:10:12 +0900, Takehiko Abe wrote:

>> I've had exactly the opposite experience running SELinux, even with
>> hand- compiled applications from a variety of sources - including my
>> own.
> 
> You say "the opposite" but you seem to have a lot of problems and spent
> fair amount of time because of SELinux. And what you get in return?
> Nothing except for a vague notion of "security".

I have not spent a large amount of time. Songbird and Mono are the only 
two troublesome issues I've had since SELinux has been a part of Redhat/
Fedora.

I spent 1 hour (and one bug report) on Songbird. I abandoned it because 
it ran poorly and had multiple SELinux issues. I did spend a few days off 
and on with mod_mono and friends. I finally decided that even if I got 
mod_mono running cleanly, any C#.NET programming I needed to do (mostly 
Java / .NET integration via SOAP) would be better done on Windows.

The NVidia issue is well known, documented, and actually mostly taken 
care of in their install script.

Other minor issues, such as the cron file descriptor leak, are normal 
bugs and taken care of pretty rapidly by the maintainers of various 
packages.

As far as a vague notion of security, I have to confess I have not 
studied SELinux, so I don't know the material in detail. It's on my list 
of things to do, but right now I'm in the middle of working on portlets 
(JSR 286), and some Tomcat configurations which I hope to write up. There 
is just so much time in the day . . .

That being said, one of the particular things that SELinux does that I 
like is preventing privileged applications from writing where it is 
unexpected. For example, unless you specifically label a directory for 
httpd, you'll get an SELinux denial (or warning if you run in permissive 
mode) when httpd tries to read or write from directories not deemed safe. 
If you're developing PHP and using the ~username/public_html option to 
get around having to copy things over as root, this can be a bit of a 
pain until you label your file system correctly.

However, this is a really valuable warning / denial. Many PHP frameworks 
tend to write temporary files. It would be nice to have the system deny 
those files if they're not in the expected places. Attackers subvert PHP 
frameworks all the time. By preventing files getting written to 
unexpected places, this makes the attack more difficult and the system 
more secure.

I've not had my use of the system hampered or curtailed by SELinux. I'm a 
pretty aggressive user. Right now I have an IDE (NetBeans), an editor 
(emacs), firefox, thunderbird, gyachi, pan, a shell, streamtuner, and 
audacious 2 running as this user. Sometimes I'll also have OpenOffice or 
Pencil running. I have Apache and MySQL running in the background, and I 
will be starting Tomcat 6.0.18 and Derby for testing soon (my portal 
container has issues with Tomcat 6.0.29). I occasionally run IP aliases 
to simulate multiple machines. Sometimes I'll fire up Google Earth when 
events happen in another part of the world where friends of mine live.

While doing this, I have had absolutely no issue with SELinux. Any small 
warning (haven't seen one in over a week) I can usually handle by issuing 
the appropriate SELinux command. I always file a bug report so that 
people can fix their programs. It's not much that I give back to Fedora 
(I spend a lot more time on ASF software), but it's a start.

As another person has said, if a program gives multiple SELinux warnings 
and seems to defy any simple attempts at file labeling as a fix, then 
maybe it's a poorly written program. If the program maintainers are not 
responsive to SELinux problems, then maybe the programmers have too much 
on their plates to properly maintain their contributions. In any case, 
there are almost always other packages that perform the same tasks 
without the SELinux issues.

Of course, you always have the option of turning off SELinux. It's been 
my experience that turning off SELinux is not necessary. Personally, I 
like knowing when a potentially unsafe operation is happening on my 
system. I actually learn a bit about security. I then change my habits 
and become a more security-conscious user, programmer, architect, system 
administrator.

Learning new stuff is not a bad thing. In fact, it's pretty fun.

. . . just my two cents

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Re: SELinux

2010-08-30 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Monday, August 30, 2010 14:27:28 Genes MailLists wrote:
>Dan - thank you. selinux is outstanding - and through your efforts
> (and others) especially on the fedora policy files, grown over the last
> several years into something really useful.
[snip]
>   To Dan, Stephen (and the NSA) and all the others - thank you for
> helping advance linux security.

+1

Best, :-)
Marko

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Re: Unable to disable wireless with latest NetworkManager-gnome

2010-08-30 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 08:20 +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote:
> I wanted to make a screenshot but if I right click and then press
> the stamp button I do not have the "save screenshot" pop-up... any way
> to do it (without a digicamera.. ;-)

Find a program that lets you taked a timed screenshot.  You trigger it,
and it takes a shot a few seconds later, giving you a chance to set up
what you want taken.  It's been a while since I did that, but I think
the Gimp has the feature.

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Unable to set txpower on wifi card

2010-08-30 Thread JD
  F13, latest updates.
wifi card: Sparklan wmir-200N
http://www.sparklan.com/product.php?func=view&prod_id=43
Chipset: RT2860/RT2850

The Datasheet says:

Output Power
802.11a: 12.5dBm ± 1.5dBm
802.11b: 17dBm ± 1.5dBm
802.11g: 14dBm ± 1.5dBm
802.11an: 14dBm ± 1.5dBm
802.11gn: 14dBm ± 1.5dBm

I am running in g mode (54megabits/s)

$ sudo iwconfig wlan0
wlan0 IEEE 802.11abgn  ESSID:"Deleted"
   Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: 
aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff
   Bit Rate=54 Mb/s   Tx-Power=8 dBm <<<=
   Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
   Encryption key:off
   Power Management:on
   Link Quality=70/70  Signal level=58 dBm
   Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
   Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0

I tried to set txpower to 14 per datasheet spec:

$ sudo iwconfig wlan0 txpower 14dBm
Error for wireless request "Set Tx Power" (8B26) :
 SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.

The drivers that are loaded for this wifi card are:

rt2800pci   7931  0
rt2800lib  27818  1 rt2800pci
rt2x00pci   5799  1 rt2800pci
rt2x00lib  25936  3 rt2800pci,rt2800lib,rt2x00pci
mac80211  182154  2 rt2x00pci,rt2x00lib
cfg80211  135626  2 rt2x00lib,mac80211
eeprom_93cx61305  1 rt2800pci
crc_ccitt   1311  2 rt2800pci,irda

Is this an issue with the wext driver or with the rt2X drivers?



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Re: Unable to set txpower on wifi card

2010-08-30 Thread Terry Polzin
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 10:41 -0700, JD wrote:
> F13, latest updates.
> wifi card: Sparklan wmir-200N
> http://www.sparklan.com/product.php?func=view&prod_id=43
> Chipset: RT2860/RT2850
> 
> The Datasheet says:
> 
> Output Power
> 802.11a: 12.5dBm ± 1.5dBm
> 802.11b: 17dBm ± 1.5dBm
> 802.11g: 14dBm ± 1.5dBm
> 802.11an: 14dBm ± 1.5dBm
> 802.11gn: 14dBm ± 1.5dBm
> 
> I am running in g mode (54megabits/s)
> 
> $ sudo iwconfig wlan0
> wlan0 IEEE 802.11abgn  ESSID:"Deleted"
>Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: 
> aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff
>Bit Rate=54 Mb/s   Tx-Power=8 dBm <<<=
>Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
>Encryption key:off
>Power Management:on
>Link Quality=70/70  Signal level=58 dBm
>Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
>Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
> 
> I tried to set txpower to 14 per datasheet spec:
> 
> $ sudo iwconfig wlan0 txpower 14dBm
> Error for wireless request "Set Tx Power" (8B26) :
>  SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
> 
> The drivers that are loaded for this wifi card are:
> 
> rt2800pci   7931  0
> rt2800lib  27818  1 rt2800pci
> rt2x00pci   5799  1 rt2800pci
> rt2x00lib  25936  3 rt2800pci,rt2800lib,rt2x00pci
> mac80211  182154  2 rt2x00pci,rt2x00lib
> cfg80211  135626  2 rt2x00lib,mac80211
> eeprom_93cx61305  1 rt2800pci
> crc_ccitt   1311  2 rt2800pci,irda
> 
> Is this an issue with the wext driver or with the rt2X drivers?
Just for giggles, try the command as root, not sudoed from your mortal
account.

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Re: Unable to set txpower on wifi card

2010-08-30 Thread JD
  On 08/30/2010 11:00 AM, Terry Polzin wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 10:41 -0700, JD wrote:
>> F13, latest updates.
>> wifi card: Sparklan wmir-200N
>> http://www.sparklan.com/product.php?func=view&prod_id=43
>> Chipset: RT2860/RT2850
>>
>> The Datasheet says:
>>
>> Output Power
>> 802.11a: 12.5dBm ± 1.5dBm
>> 802.11b: 17dBm ± 1.5dBm
>> 802.11g: 14dBm ± 1.5dBm
>> 802.11an: 14dBm ± 1.5dBm
>> 802.11gn: 14dBm ± 1.5dBm
>>
>> I am running in g mode (54megabits/s)
>>
>> $ sudo iwconfig wlan0
>> wlan0 IEEE 802.11abgn  ESSID:"Deleted"
>> Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point:
>> aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff
>> Bit Rate=54 Mb/s   Tx-Power=8 dBm<<<=
>> Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
>> Encryption key:off
>> Power Management:on
>> Link Quality=70/70  Signal level=58 dBm
>> Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
>> Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
>>
>> I tried to set txpower to 14 per datasheet spec:
>>
>> $ sudo iwconfig wlan0 txpower 14dBm
>> Error for wireless request "Set Tx Power" (8B26) :
>>   SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
>>
>> The drivers that are loaded for this wifi card are:
>>
>> rt2800pci   7931  0
>> rt2800lib  27818  1 rt2800pci
>> rt2x00pci   5799  1 rt2800pci
>> rt2x00lib  25936  3 rt2800pci,rt2800lib,rt2x00pci
>> mac80211  182154  2 rt2x00pci,rt2x00lib
>> cfg80211  135626  2 rt2x00lib,mac80211
>> eeprom_93cx61305  1 rt2800pci
>> crc_ccitt   1311  2 rt2800pci,irda
>>
>> Is this an issue with the wext driver or with the rt2X drivers?
> Just for giggles, try the command as root, not sudoed from your mortal
> account.
>
What makes you think that would make a difference?
sudo works just fine for everything requiring root perms.
Furthermore, the error is complaining about the argument value.

Notice that if I specify the low value of 8, the command works just fine:

$ sudo iwconfig wlan0 txpower 8dBm
$

The driver does not comply with hardware specs.


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Re: Unable to disable wireless with latest NetworkManager-gnome

2010-08-30 Thread Rick Stevens
On 08/30/2010 10:39 AM, Tim wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 08:20 +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote:
>> I wanted to make a screenshot but if I right click and then press
>> the stamp button I do not have the "save screenshot" pop-up... any way
>> to do it (without a digicamera.. ;-)
>
> Find a program that lets you taked a timed screenshot.  You trigger it,
> and it takes a shot a few seconds later, giving you a chance to set up
> what you want taken.  It's been a while since I did that, but I think
> the Gimp has the feature.

Just hitting the "Print Screen" key on your keyboard should do it for
you.  It does for me, anyway.
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Re: F12/13: Ndiswrapper, topdog Wifi, Thunderbird & network degradation...

2010-08-30 Thread John W. Linville
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 08:37:14AM -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
> On 08/30/2010 07:49 AM, John W. Linville wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 10:55:43AM -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
> >   
> >> I have a gateway M-6750 laptop which sports a
> >> Marvell TopDog wifi chip.  I have obtained the
> >> latest drivers for this chip, and used ndiswrapper
> >> to hook itself to the XP/Vista topdog driver, and
> >> it at first appears to be working... although there
> >> are crash data appearing in the log files but other
> >> than that, it continues on working.
> >> 
> > I'm sorry, but I can't offer you any support for ndiswrapper.  Did you
> > try the mwl8k driver?
> >
> > John
> >   
> No I have not tried this driver...  where can I get it?

It's part of the Fedora kernel.  Also make sure the linux-firmware
package is installed.

While testing mwl8k, you will want to remove ndiswrapper so as to
avoid interference with the in-kernel driver.

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Re: Unable to set txpower on wifi card

2010-08-30 Thread Rick Stevens
On 08/30/2010 10:41 AM, JD wrote:
>F13, latest updates.
> wifi card: Sparklan wmir-200N
> http://www.sparklan.com/product.php?func=view&prod_id=43
> Chipset: RT2860/RT2850
>
> The Datasheet says:
>
> Output Power
> 802.11a: 12.5dBm ± 1.5dBm
> 802.11b: 17dBm ± 1.5dBm
> 802.11g: 14dBm ± 1.5dBm
> 802.11an: 14dBm ± 1.5dBm
> 802.11gn: 14dBm ± 1.5dBm
>
> I am running in g mode (54megabits/s)
>
> $ sudo iwconfig wlan0
> wlan0 IEEE 802.11abgn  ESSID:"Deleted"
> Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point:
> aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff
> Bit Rate=54 Mb/s   Tx-Power=8 dBm<<<=
> Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
> Encryption key:off
> Power Management:on
> Link Quality=70/70  Signal level=58 dBm
> Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
> Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
>
> I tried to set txpower to 14 per datasheet spec:
>
> $ sudo iwconfig wlan0 txpower 14dBm
> Error for wireless request "Set Tx Power" (8B26) :
>   SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
>
> The drivers that are loaded for this wifi card are:
>
> rt2800pci   7931  0
> rt2800lib  27818  1 rt2800pci
> rt2x00pci   5799  1 rt2800pci
> rt2x00lib  25936  3 rt2800pci,rt2800lib,rt2x00pci
> mac80211  182154  2 rt2x00pci,rt2x00lib
> cfg80211  135626  2 rt2x00lib,mac80211
> eeprom_93cx61305  1 rt2800pci
> crc_ccitt   1311  2 rt2800pci,irda
>
> Is this an issue with the wext driver or with the rt2X drivers?

Try "sudo iwconfig wlan0 txpower 14".  The "dBm" is assumed by the
command.  "man iwconfig" for details.
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Re: F12/13: Ndiswrapper, topdog Wifi, Thunderbird & network degradation...

2010-08-30 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On 08/30/2010 11:31 AM, John W. Linville wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 08:37:14AM -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
>   
>> On 08/30/2010 07:49 AM, John W. Linville wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 10:55:43AM -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
 I have a gateway M-6750 laptop which sports a
 Marvell TopDog wifi chip.  I have obtained the
 latest drivers for this chip, and used ndiswrapper
 to hook itself to the XP/Vista topdog driver, and
 it at first appears to be working... although there
 are crash data appearing in the log files but other
 than that, it continues on working.
 
 
>>> I'm sorry, but I can't offer you any support for ndiswrapper.  Did you
>>> try the mwl8k driver?
>>>
>>> John
>>>   
>>>   
>> No I have not tried this driver...  where can I get it?
>> 
> It's part of the Fedora kernel.  Also make sure the linux-firmware
> package is installed.
>
> While testing mwl8k, you will want to remove ndiswrapper so as to
> avoid interference with the in-kernel driver.
>
> John
>   
I have looked on F12 repos and I cannot find this driver but
I did find this driver for F13.  The problem is, I need this for
F12.  Is this driver available for F12?  If so, can you give me
a clue what to look for and now this driver is to be installed
and configured, please?

Thanks again,
Dan
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Re: Unable to set txpower on wifi card

2010-08-30 Thread JD
  On 08/30/2010 11:32 AM, Rick Stevens wrote:
> On 08/30/2010 10:41 AM, JD wrote:
>> F13, latest updates.
>> wifi card: Sparklan wmir-200N
>> http://www.sparklan.com/product.php?func=view&prod_id=43
>> Chipset: RT2860/RT2850
>>
>> The Datasheet says:
>>
>> Output Power
>> 802.11a: 12.5dBm ± 1.5dBm
>> 802.11b: 17dBm ± 1.5dBm
>> 802.11g: 14dBm ± 1.5dBm
>> 802.11an: 14dBm ± 1.5dBm
>> 802.11gn: 14dBm ± 1.5dBm
>>
>> I am running in g mode (54megabits/s)
>>
>> $ sudo iwconfig wlan0
>> wlan0 IEEE 802.11abgn  ESSID:"Deleted"
>>  Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point:
>> aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff
>>  Bit Rate=54 Mb/s   Tx-Power=8 dBm<<<=
>>  Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
>>  Encryption key:off
>>  Power Management:on
>>  Link Quality=70/70  Signal level=58 dBm
>>  Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
>>  Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
>>
>> I tried to set txpower to 14 per datasheet spec:
>>
>> $ sudo iwconfig wlan0 txpower 14dBm
>> Error for wireless request "Set Tx Power" (8B26) :
>>SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
>>
>> The drivers that are loaded for this wifi card are:
>>
>> rt2800pci   7931  0
>> rt2800lib  27818  1 rt2800pci
>> rt2x00pci   5799  1 rt2800pci
>> rt2x00lib  25936  3 rt2800pci,rt2800lib,rt2x00pci
>> mac80211  182154  2 rt2x00pci,rt2x00lib
>> cfg80211  135626  2 rt2x00lib,mac80211
>> eeprom_93cx61305  1 rt2800pci
>> crc_ccitt   1311  2 rt2800pci,irda
>>
>> Is this an issue with the wext driver or with the rt2X drivers?
> Try "sudo iwconfig wlan0 txpower 14".  The "dBm" is assumed by the
> command.  "man iwconfig" for details.
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Did not work :(

$ sudo iwconfig wlan0 txpower 14
Error for wireless request "Set Tx Power" (8B26) :
 SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.

But setting it to 8 worked. So, why does it reject what the specs say is 
legit power setting?

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Re: General desktop questions

2010-08-30 Thread Ted Roche
Alex:

I don't have the answers to your questions, but a couple suggestions
on how you might increase your chances of getting the right answers:

1. Post a new message to the list with a subject that relates to the
question you're asking. "General Desktop Questions" is an
un-informative subject line. Many people may have passed it over just
for that reason.

2. One question, or at least related questions, to a message thread.
The questions you've asked on this thread have been answered, and now
you have new ones. Let this thread close, and start a new one. Someone
searching the archives will be grateful for short threads with few
questions and their answers.

3. Be very specific and supply all the relevant information you can.
Folks are not interested in having to ask you a batch of questions
about your question: what operating system are you using? what kind of
a machine are you running? What application are you running? What did
you try? What did you see? What were you expecting to see? What have
you already tried to solve your problem?

While you may think you're running "Fedora" and so is everyone else,
you'll be surprised how different many people's configurations are.
Help us to answer your questions by telling us what you're doing.

"How to ask questions the smart way"
http://catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html is an essay all of us
should read and review regularly. Take a look and see if it can help
you get better answers.

Good luck!
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Re: F12/13: Ndiswrapper, topdog Wifi, Thunderbird & network degradation...

2010-08-30 Thread John W. Linville
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 12:04:20PM -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
> On 08/30/2010 11:31 AM, John W. Linville wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 08:37:14AM -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
> >   
> >> On 08/30/2010 07:49 AM, John W. Linville wrote:
> >> 
> >>> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 10:55:43AM -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
> >>>   
> >>>   
>  I have a gateway M-6750 laptop which sports a
>  Marvell TopDog wifi chip.  I have obtained the
>  latest drivers for this chip, and used ndiswrapper
>  to hook itself to the XP/Vista topdog driver, and
>  it at first appears to be working... although there
>  are crash data appearing in the log files but other
>  than that, it continues on working.
>  
>  
> >>> I'm sorry, but I can't offer you any support for ndiswrapper.  Did you
> >>> try the mwl8k driver?
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>>   
> >>>   
> >> No I have not tried this driver...  where can I get it?
> >> 
> > It's part of the Fedora kernel.  Also make sure the linux-firmware
> > package is installed.
> >
> > While testing mwl8k, you will want to remove ndiswrapper so as to
> > avoid interference with the in-kernel driver.
> >
> > John
> >   
> I have looked on F12 repos and I cannot find this driver but
> I did find this driver for F13.  The problem is, I need this for
> F12.  Is this driver available for F12?  If so, can you give me
> a clue what to look for and now this driver is to be installed
> and configured, please?

What kernel are you using?  It is part of the kernel package, not a
separate driver.

Please attach the output of running 'lspci -n'.  It seems mwl8k may
not work for much "consumer" hardware.

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Re: Unable to set txpower on wifi card

2010-08-30 Thread Terry Polzin
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 11:45 -0700, JD wrote:
> On 08/30/2010 11:32 AM, Rick Stevens wrote:
> > On 08/30/2010 10:41 AM, JD wrote:
> >> F13, latest updates.
> >> wifi card: Sparklan wmir-200N
> >> http://www.sparklan.com/product.php?func=view&prod_id=43
> >> Chipset: RT2860/RT2850
> >>
> >> The Datasheet says:
> >>
> >> Output Power
> >> 802.11a: 12.5dBm ± 1.5dBm
> >> 802.11b: 17dBm ± 1.5dBm
> >> 802.11g: 14dBm ± 1.5dBm
> >> 802.11an: 14dBm ± 1.5dBm
> >> 802.11gn: 14dBm ± 1.5dBm
> >>
> >> I am running in g mode (54megabits/s)
> >>
> >> $ sudo iwconfig wlan0
> >> wlan0 IEEE 802.11abgn  ESSID:"Deleted"
> >>  Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point:
> >> aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff
> >>  Bit Rate=54 Mb/s   Tx-Power=8 dBm<<<=
> >>  Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
> >>  Encryption key:off
> >>  Power Management:on
> >>  Link Quality=70/70  Signal level=58 dBm
> >>  Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
> >>  Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
> >>
> >> I tried to set txpower to 14 per datasheet spec:
> >>
> >> $ sudo iwconfig wlan0 txpower 14dBm
> >> Error for wireless request "Set Tx Power" (8B26) :
> >>SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
> >>
> >> The drivers that are loaded for this wifi card are:
> >>
> >> rt2800pci   7931  0
> >> rt2800lib  27818  1 rt2800pci
> >> rt2x00pci   5799  1 rt2800pci
> >> rt2x00lib  25936  3 rt2800pci,rt2800lib,rt2x00pci
> >> mac80211  182154  2 rt2x00pci,rt2x00lib
> >> cfg80211  135626  2 rt2x00lib,mac80211
> >> eeprom_93cx61305  1 rt2800pci
> >> crc_ccitt   1311  2 rt2800pci,irda
> >>
> >> Is this an issue with the wext driver or with the rt2X drivers?
> > Try "sudo iwconfig wlan0 txpower 14".  The "dBm" is assumed by the
> > command.  "man iwconfig" for details.
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> Did not work :(
> 
> $ sudo iwconfig wlan0 txpower 14
> Error for wireless request "Set Tx Power" (8B26) :
>  SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
> 
> But setting it to 8 worked. So, why does it reject what the specs say is 
> legit power setting?
> 
How about 9?
Maybe they want the value in hex?


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Re: Unable to set txpower on wifi card

2010-08-30 Thread JD
  On 08/30/2010 12:28 PM, Terry Polzin wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 11:45 -0700, JD wrote:
>> On 08/30/2010 11:32 AM, Rick Stevens wrote:
>>> On 08/30/2010 10:41 AM, JD wrote:
  F13, latest updates.
 wifi card: Sparklan wmir-200N
 http://www.sparklan.com/product.php?func=view&prod_id=43
 Chipset: RT2860/RT2850

 The Datasheet says:

 Output Power
 802.11a: 12.5dBm ± 1.5dBm
 802.11b: 17dBm ± 1.5dBm
 802.11g: 14dBm ± 1.5dBm
 802.11an: 14dBm ± 1.5dBm
 802.11gn: 14dBm ± 1.5dBm

 I am running in g mode (54megabits/s)

 $ sudo iwconfig wlan0
 wlan0 IEEE 802.11abgn  ESSID:"Deleted"
   Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point:
 aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff
   Bit Rate=54 Mb/s   Tx-Power=8 dBm<<<=
   Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
   Encryption key:off
   Power Management:on
   Link Quality=70/70  Signal level=58 dBm
   Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
   Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0

 I tried to set txpower to 14 per datasheet spec:

 $ sudo iwconfig wlan0 txpower 14dBm
 Error for wireless request "Set Tx Power" (8B26) :
 SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.

 The drivers that are loaded for this wifi card are:

 rt2800pci   7931  0
 rt2800lib  27818  1 rt2800pci
 rt2x00pci   5799  1 rt2800pci
 rt2x00lib  25936  3 rt2800pci,rt2800lib,rt2x00pci
 mac80211  182154  2 rt2x00pci,rt2x00lib
 cfg80211  135626  2 rt2x00lib,mac80211
 eeprom_93cx61305  1 rt2800pci
 crc_ccitt   1311  2 rt2800pci,irda

 Is this an issue with the wext driver or with the rt2X drivers?
>>> Try "sudo iwconfig wlan0 txpower 14".  The "dBm" is assumed by the
>>> command.  "man iwconfig" for details.
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>> Did not work :(
>>
>> $ sudo iwconfig wlan0 txpower 14
>> Error for wireless request "Set Tx Power" (8B26) :
>>   SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
>>
>> But setting it to 8 worked. So, why does it reject what the specs say is
>> legit power setting?
>>
> How about 9?
> Maybe they want the value in hex?
>
>
Tried that too. Same error:

$ sudo iwconfig wlan0 txpower 9
Error for wireless request "Set Tx Power" (8B26) :
 SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
$ sudo iwconfig wlan0 txpower 0x9
Error for wireless request "Set Tx Power" (8B26) :
 SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.

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Re: err:wineconsole:WINECON_Fatal Couldn't find a decent font, aborting

2010-08-30 Thread James Mckenzie
"Joshua C."  wrote:
>
>Actually I need to run a simple batch file. That's why I used a
>kde-livecd-f14-x86_64 and installed wine-core.i686 wine-wow.i686,
>wine-common and wine-fonts. All dpendencies were pull automatically.
>Wine works fine but when trying to start "wineconsole cmd" I got the
>error message.

Interesting.  I don't get that error on my Mac.  However, I did run winetricks 
allfonts on it.  I think you stated you had done this as well?
>
>Therefore I decided to use an older version of wine and tried the
>f13.x86_64 livecd and installed exactly the same 4 packages. You can
>find the current versions in the repo.
>
Since I don't have a 64 bit system, but can do exactly what you just did, I'll 
give it a try, soon.  I have to get the FC13 'stuff' and see what happens.

>I remember that I did the same thing about 2-3 months ago and then I
>didn't get this error. That's why I posted here to see if someelse has
>had this problem.
>
Was this on FC13 or FC12/13 (if you can remember.)

>Actually winconsole cmd doesn't work for me and wine does. That's
>strange.To test it just grab the lasted livecd and install the
>aforementioned packages. Trying different fonts didn't help either.

Interesting because on my Mac, I had to do the opposite.  Maybe things are 
different on Linux/FC13.  Will find out quickly.

And my apologies for sounding like a snob, but the more information provided up 
front the faster we, as voluteers, can provide you with assistance.  Otherwise, 
we have to make assumptions and mine were incorrect.

It is interesting that a batch file is throwing these types of errors though.

James McKenzie

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Re: General desktop questions

2010-08-30 Thread Alex
Hi,

Regarding attaching files in Thunderbird...

> You can find the files through the Thunderbird Attach menu option by
> browsing to your home folder (/home/alex, for example) and searching
> for the .gvfs directory. You may need to hit Ctrl-H to show hidden
> files in the dialog or Ctrl-L to edit the path. You can then navigate
> to /home/alex/.gvfs/YourShareName/path/to/yourfilename.

This worked, but creating a bookmark didn't, unless I'm doing it wrong.

The bookmarks to two network shares appear when in Nautilus, but not
in Thunderbird.

When in the "Attach Files" screen from within Thunderbird, I can
browse to the share through the .gvfs directory, and click "Add" in
the lower-left, but it appears there briefly then disappears again.

What could be the cause of this?

Thanks,
Alex
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Re: General desktop questions

2010-08-30 Thread Alex
Hi Ted,

> I don't have the answers to your questions, but a couple suggestions
> on how you might increase your chances of getting the right answers:

Thanks for your input. I'm very surprised my questions were such that
you believed pointing me to the CATB doc was necessary; I'm not new at
this. I still think back to how cool it was to hang out at a bar with
ESR, Alan, David Miller, Maddog, and Linus after the Linux Expo in
Raleigh back in probably 1994. Doesn't make me a hacker by
association, but sure was a cool time.

I am new at the FC13 desktop -- I'm only now trying Linux on the
desktop for the first time in quite a few years, after having given up
on it many years ago do to lack of the functionality I needed.

Perhaps "General Desktop Questions" is a bit too broad, but creating
five different posts for basic questions about the desktop that I
wasn't sure were my usability difficulties or otherwise.

For example, in Windows Firefox I can type a Google search term in the
location bar, but not in FC13. Is this configurable?

I've got a basic font question, but will open a new thread for that :-)

Thanks,
Alex
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Better Firefox fonts?

2010-08-30 Thread Alex
Hi,

Quite often the fonts in a web page, or printing something from within
Firefox looks blurred. Here is a sample screenshot:

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/7923/loc.png

It's a random page I chose to exhibit the problem. Printing web pages
also looks like crap, but perhaps that's something to do with the
printing system?

Is it possible this is instead the driver for my video card? I'm using
a dual-head HD5700:

[35.548] (--) PCI:*(0:6:0:0) 1002:68b8:174b:e147 ATI Technologies
Inc Juniper [Radeon HD 5700 Series] rev 0, Mem @ 0xd000/268435456,
0xfe9e/131072, I/O @ 0xe000/256, BIOS @ 0x/131072
[112179.601] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1680x1050"x0.0  146.25  1680
1784 1960 2240  1050 1053 1059 1089 -hsync +vsync (65.3 kHz)

Are there other driver choices for this card with FC13, like perhaps
one that supports the 3D acceleration?

In any case, I recall seeing a doc that described how to install the
Windows TT fonts, but can't find it now. I believe it was also for an
older version.

Thanks,
Alex
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Re: 2.6.33.8-149.fc13.i686.PAE sleeps NOT

2010-08-30 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 08/26/2010 01:28 PM, JD wrote:
>   On 08/26/2010 09:29 AM, Geoffrey Leach wrote:
>   
>> On 08/26/2010 09:06:33 AM, James Mckenzie wrote:
>> 
>>> Geoffrey Leach  wrote
>>>   
 Sent: Aug 26, 2010 8:37 AM
 To: Fedora List
 Subject: 2.6.33.8-149.fc13.i686.PAE sleeps NOT

 The newly-released kernel, 2.6.33.8-149.fc13.i686.PAE, wakes up a
 
>>> few
>>>
>>>   
 seconds after being asked to sleep.  2.6.33.6-147.2.4.fc13.i686.PAE
 does not have this problem. Has anyone experienced this? And perhaps
 discovered a solution? (Bugzilla report against fc12 kernel for the
 same problem was ignored)

 
>>> As an aside, is this for the same kernel release?  It might be nice
>>> to
>>> let them know it also affects Fedora Core 13.
>>>   
>> The FC13 bug is 627664. I mention the FC12 report there. Color me
>> cynical, but I doubt that it will get much attention. OTOH, my
>> experience suggests that its not release-specific.
>> 
> My impression was that kernel bugs are worked on only by
> the mainline devs that release kernels on kernel.org. Is this
> correct?
> If it is, then it will be a long time for fedora to see a fix
> for the kernel bug.
>   
This is not entirely true. Red Hat has a team of kernel people, and they
will fig bugs in the red Hat kernels, and submit their fixes upstream.
Many times the major distros get bug fixes before they get into the
mainline kernel. This is one of the nice things about Open Source.

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Re: General desktop questions

2010-08-30 Thread suvayu ali
On 30 August 2010 13:01, Alex  wrote:
> Hi Ted,
>
>> I don't have the answers to your questions, but a couple suggestions
>> on how you might increase your chances of getting the right answers:
>>
>> 1. Post a new message to the list with a subject that relates to the
>> question you're asking. "General Desktop Questions" is an
>> un-informative subject line. Many people may have passed it over just
>> for that reason.

e.g. I did.

>
> For example, in Windows Firefox I can type a Google search term in the
> location bar, but not in FC13. Is this configurable?
>

You can set keywords for your search engines and do searches like this,

google 
yahoo 

(assuming google and yahoo are the keywords for ww.google.com and
www.yahoo.com respectively)

Or, you can hand edit the config variable
"browser.search.defaultenginename" in about:config to your preferred
search provider.

There are probably many more ways to do this, hence a separate thread
would be so much cleaner for the archive and easier for the next
person with a similar question.

> I've got a basic font question, but will open a new thread for that :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Alex

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Re: SELinux

2010-08-30 Thread mike cloaked
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Genes MailLists  wrote:
>
>
>   Dan - thank you. selinux is outstanding - and through your efforts
> (and others) especially on the fedora policy files, grown over the last
> several years into something really useful.
>
>   Anti-selinux folk. It takes work to  deploy it on some systems for
> sure and I am just learning - i have a lot of work on one system to get
> it compliant. For many setups targeted policy works with no changes at all.
>
>   Please avoid the rude remarks - i.e. be excellent :)
>
>   If some of you are not using it fine. But to claim it has little or
> no security suggests nothing but enormous ignorance of security issues.
>
>  If one does not have the xxx (time, resources, ability, whatever) to
> make the effort to tune those systems which need some work fine - dont
> do it - that decision has nothing to do with security - only _your_
> choices.
>
>
>  To Dan, Stephen (and the NSA) and all the others - thank you for
> helping advance linux security.

I whole-heartedly concur - and indeed I have had a lot of help at
times from Dan W in particular who has so many times devoted his time
to helping people, also to Stephen S and the unseen names from NSA who
have made huge advances in security through creating and developing
selinux to the point where for the most part it is quite transparent
to most users for much of the time.

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Re: Better Firefox fonts?

2010-08-30 Thread Athmane Madjoudj
On 08/30/2010 09:12 PM, Alex wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Quite often the fonts in a web page, or printing something from within
> Firefox looks blurred. Here is a sample screenshot:
>
> http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/7923/loc.png
>
> It's a random page I chose to exhibit the problem. Printing web pages
> also looks like crap, but perhaps that's something to do with the
> printing system?
>

Tray to choose another rendering in

System > Preferences > Appearance: Fonts tab > Rendering.

HTH

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Re: F12/13: Ndiswrapper, topdog Wifi, Thunderbird & network degradation...

2010-08-30 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On 08/30/2010 12:22 PM, John W. Linville wrote:
> lspci -n
# lspci -n
00:00.0 0600: 8086:2770 (rev 02)
00:02.0 0300: 8086:2772 (rev 02)
00:1b.0 0403: 8086:27d8 (rev 01)
00:1c.0 0604: 8086:27d0 (rev 01)
00:1c.1 0604: 8086:27d2 (rev 01)
00:1d.0 0c03: 8086:27c8 (rev 01)
00:1d.1 0c03: 8086:27c9 (rev 01)
00:1d.2 0c03: 8086:27ca (rev 01)
00:1d.3 0c03: 8086:27cb (rev 01)
00:1d.7 0c03: 8086:27cc (rev 01)
00:1e.0 0604: 8086:244e (rev e1)
00:1f.0 0601: 8086:27b8 (rev 01)
00:1f.1 0101: 8086:27df (rev 01)
00:1f.2 0101: 8086:27c0 (rev 01)
00:1f.3 0c05: 8086:27da (rev 01)
01:00.0 0180: 105a:4d69 (rev 02)
01:01.0 0200: 8086:1229 (rev 05)
02:00.0 0200: 1969:2048 (rev a0)

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Re: F12/13: Ndiswrapper, topdog Wifi, Thunderbird & network degradation...

2010-08-30 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On 08/30/2010 12:22 PM, John W. Linville wrote:
> What kernel are you using?
# uname -r
2.6.32.16-150.fc12.i686

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Re: F12/13: Ndiswrapper, topdog Wifi, Thunderbird & network degradation...

2010-08-30 Thread John W. Linville
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 01:35:31PM -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
> On 08/30/2010 12:22 PM, John W. Linville wrote:
> > lspci -n
> # lspci -n
> 00:00.0 0600: 8086:2770 (rev 02)
> 00:02.0 0300: 8086:2772 (rev 02)
> 00:1b.0 0403: 8086:27d8 (rev 01)
> 00:1c.0 0604: 8086:27d0 (rev 01)
> 00:1c.1 0604: 8086:27d2 (rev 01)
> 00:1d.0 0c03: 8086:27c8 (rev 01)
> 00:1d.1 0c03: 8086:27c9 (rev 01)
> 00:1d.2 0c03: 8086:27ca (rev 01)
> 00:1d.3 0c03: 8086:27cb (rev 01)
> 00:1d.7 0c03: 8086:27cc (rev 01)
> 00:1e.0 0604: 8086:244e (rev e1)
> 00:1f.0 0601: 8086:27b8 (rev 01)
> 00:1f.1 0101: 8086:27df (rev 01)
> 00:1f.2 0101: 8086:27c0 (rev 01)
> 00:1f.3 0c05: 8086:27da (rev 01)
> 01:00.0 0180: 105a:4d69 (rev 02)
> 01:01.0 0200: 8086:1229 (rev 05)
> 02:00.0 0200: 1969:2048 (rev a0)

Hmmm...  I would have expected an 0280 line.  Are any of these your
wireless device?  Is it plugged-in?

John

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Re: F12/13: Ndiswrapper, topdog Wifi, Thunderbird & network degradation...

2010-08-30 Thread John W. Linville
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 01:38:02PM -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
> On 08/30/2010 12:22 PM, John W. Linville wrote:
> > What kernel are you using?
> # uname -r
> 2.6.32.16-150.fc12.i686

mwl8k is enabled on that kernel.  You can verify that it is present
by running 'modinfo mwl8k'.

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Re: SELinux

2010-08-30 Thread Alan Cox
> |hand-crafted security policy, caused me to swear off of it.  For
> |me, given my threat model and how much my time is worth, life is
> |too short for SELinux.
> 
> And JWZ:
> 
>  http://jwz.livejournal.com/719608.html

And if you have a machine actually plugged into the internet, handling
any untrusted content or with potentialy buggy apps (which is just about
anything that opens an image for example) then its kind of useful.

An awful lot of attacks simply don't work because of SELinux. But it's
your system, one of the things about Free Software is you control the
tradeoffs on your machine not some vendor by diktat.

Myself - I'm prepared to fiddle now and then with SELinux settings on my
box so that its much harder to steal all my email, run off with my credit
card data or just be a nuisance.

Sad to see people made the same argument about firewalls long ago - turn
it off it breaks doom, video streaming, etc. Nowdays anyone suggesting
turning off your firewall or always running as root (saves debugging file
permission problems) would be howled down. It's not alas occurred yet
with SELinux.

As to software which demands you disable security, I always apply common
sense and treat it the same way as if a passing tradesman says "can you
just leave your door unlocked for the weekend"

Alan
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Re: SELINUX

2010-08-30 Thread Alan Cox
> http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/wisdom/braindump/selinux.html
> 
> No doubt there are those who disagree though :-).

Indeed -  I think I'd consider a consultant who did that on my systems as
setting themselves up for a negligence lawsuit if the box got hacked.

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Re: General desktop questions

2010-08-30 Thread Ted Roche
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Alex  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Regarding attaching files in Thunderbird...
>
> This worked, but creating a bookmark didn't, unless I'm doing it wrong.
>
> The bookmarks to two network shares appear when in Nautilus, but not
> in Thunderbird.
>

No, that's consistent with what I see. The Bookmarks available off the
Places menu pad in GNOME list the temporary shares/mounts that you've
created and saved as bookmarks. These don't show up in the "Attach"
dialog within Thunderbird. If you open the bookmarks in advance, the
mount shows up in the top part of the Attach dialog. I've resigned
myself to "that's how the Nautilus developers think it should work"
purely from empirical observation.

> When in the "Attach Files" screen from within Thunderbird, I can
> browse to the share through the .gvfs directory, and click "Add" in
> the lower-left, but it appears there briefly then disappears again.
>
> What could be the cause of this?

Poor UI design?

I've never tried this myself, and don't think that was the way it was
intended to be used. Of course, they shouldn't present an "Add" option
if they're not really going to honor your request.

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Re: F12/13: Ndiswrapper, topdog Wifi, Thunderbird & network degradation...

2010-08-30 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On 08/30/2010 01:46 PM, John W. Linville wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 01:35:31PM -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
>   
>> On 08/30/2010 12:22 PM, John W. Linville wrote:
>> 
>>> lspci -n
>>>   
>> # lspci -n
>> 00:00.0 0600: 8086:2770 (rev 02)
>> 00:02.0 0300: 8086:2772 (rev 02)
>> 00:1b.0 0403: 8086:27d8 (rev 01)
>> 00:1c.0 0604: 8086:27d0 (rev 01)
>> 00:1c.1 0604: 8086:27d2 (rev 01)
>> 00:1d.0 0c03: 8086:27c8 (rev 01)
>> 00:1d.1 0c03: 8086:27c9 (rev 01)
>> 00:1d.2 0c03: 8086:27ca (rev 01)
>> 00:1d.3 0c03: 8086:27cb (rev 01)
>> 00:1d.7 0c03: 8086:27cc (rev 01)
>> 00:1e.0 0604: 8086:244e (rev e1)
>> 00:1f.0 0601: 8086:27b8 (rev 01)
>> 00:1f.1 0101: 8086:27df (rev 01)
>> 00:1f.2 0101: 8086:27c0 (rev 01)
>> 00:1f.3 0c05: 8086:27da (rev 01)
>> 01:00.0 0180: 105a:4d69 (rev 02)
>> 01:01.0 0200: 8086:1229 (rev 05)
>> 02:00.0 0200: 1969:2048 (rev a0)
>> 
> Hmmm...  I would have expected an 0280 line.  Are any of these your
> wireless device?  Is it plugged-in?
>
> John
>
>   
Apologies, the above was taken from the wrong machine.

This is the Gateway laptop data:

# uname -a
Linux  2.6.32.19-163.fc12.i686 #1 SMP Wed Aug 18 11:39:59 UTC
2010 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

# lspci -n
00:00.0 0600: 8086:2a00 (rev 03)
00:02.0 0300: 8086:2a02 (rev 03)
00:02.1 0380: 8086:2a03 (rev 03)
00:1a.0 0c03: 8086:2834 (rev 03)
00:1a.1 0c03: 8086:2835 (rev 03)
00:1a.7 0c03: 8086:283a (rev 03)
00:1b.0 0403: 8086:284b (rev 03)
00:1c.0 0604: 8086:283f (rev 03)
00:1c.2 0604: 8086:2843 (rev 03)
00:1c.5 0604: 8086:2849 (rev 03)
00:1d.0 0c03: 8086:2830 (rev 03)
00:1d.1 0c03: 8086:2831 (rev 03)
00:1d.2 0c03: 8086:2832 (rev 03)
00:1d.7 0c03: 8086:2836 (rev 03)
00:1e.0 0604: 8086:2448 (rev f3)
00:1f.0 0601: 8086:2815 (rev 03)
00:1f.1 0101: 8086:2850 (rev 03)
00:1f.2 0106: 8086:2829 (rev 03)
00:1f.3 0c05: 8086:283e (rev 03)
02:00.0 0200: 11ab:2a08 (rev 03)
06:00.0 0200: 10ec:8136 (rev 01)

# lspci -nn
02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Device
[11ab:2a08] (rev 03)


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Re: F12/13: Ndiswrapper, topdog Wifi, Thunderbird & network degradation...

2010-08-30 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On 08/30/2010 01:48 PM, John W. Linville wrote:
> modinfo mwl8k
$ modinfo mwl8k
filename:  
/lib/modules/2.6.32.19-163.fc12.i686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/mwl8k.ko
license:GPL
author: Lennert Buytenhek 
version:0.10
description:Marvell TOPDOG(R) 802.11 Wireless Network Driver
srcversion: C6187652AA0FEE17B0F7F02
alias:  pci:v11ABd2A30sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v11ABd2A2Bsv*sd*bc*sc*i*
depends:mac80211,cfg80211
vermagic:   2.6.32.19-163.fc12.i686 SMP mod_unload 686

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Java/Firefox craziness

2010-08-30 Thread William Case
Hi;

Just some clarification and double checking.

I want to use a Canadian government site with Firefox on Fedora 13.  I
get the warning message that I need Sun JVM 1.6.0_3 or greater.  There
is nothing in the repositories that I can see resembling Sun JVM.
Apparently I can download and install from Sun, but I get messages that
no new updates are being made available.

Before frustration overtakes me and I start downloading unknown and
unneeded stuff.  What exactly do I want and where should I get it?

(Irony => the site isn't working in WindowsXP  Explorer either)

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Re: Unable to set txpower on wifi card

2010-08-30 Thread JB
JD  gmail.com> writes:

> 
>   F13, latest updates.
> wifi card: Sparklan wmir-200N
> http://www.sparklan.com/product.php?func=view&prod_id=43
> Chipset: RT2860/RT2850
> 
> The Datasheet says:
> 
> Output Power
> 802.11a: 12.5dBm ± 1.5dBm
> 802.11b: 17dBm ± 1.5dBm
> 802.11g: 14dBm ± 1.5dBm
> 802.11an: 14dBm ± 1.5dBm
> 802.11gn: 14dBm ± 1.5dBm
> 
> I am running in g mode (54megabits/s)
> 
> $ sudo iwconfig wlan0
> wlan0 IEEE 802.11abgn  ESSID:"Deleted"
>Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: 
> aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff
>Bit Rate=54 Mb/s   Tx-Power=8 dBm <<<=
>Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
>Encryption key:off
>Power Management:on
>Link Quality=70/70  Signal level=58 dBm
>Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
>Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
> 
> I tried to set txpower to 14 per datasheet spec:
> 
> $ sudo iwconfig wlan0 txpower 14dBm
> Error for wireless request "Set Tx Power" (8B26) :
>  SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
> 
> The drivers that are loaded for this wifi card are:
> 
> rt2800pci   7931  0
> rt2800lib  27818  1 rt2800pci
> rt2x00pci   5799  1 rt2800pci
> rt2x00lib  25936  3 rt2800pci,rt2800lib,rt2x00pci
> mac80211  182154  2 rt2x00pci,rt2x00lib
> cfg80211  135626  2 rt2x00lib,mac80211
> eeprom_93cx61305  1 rt2800pci
> crc_ccitt   1311  2 rt2800pci,irda
> 
> Is this an issue with the wext driver or with the rt2X drivers?
> 
Hi,
$ man iwconfig
...
  txpower
  ...
  In  addition,  on and off enable and disable the radio, and auto
  and fixed enable and disable power control  (if  those  features
  are available).
  ...
  iwconfig eth0 txpower auto

$ sudo iwconfig wlan0
...
   Bit Rate=54 Mb/s   Tx-Power=8 dBm <<<=
...

The Tx-Power=8 dBm
means "fixed" power control (as opposite to "auto").
JB


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Re: General desktop questions

2010-08-30 Thread Ted Roche
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Alex  wrote:

> Thanks for your input. I'm very surprised my questions were such that
> you believed pointing me to the CATB doc was necessary; I'm not new at
> this.

I'm a greybeard, too, but it doesn't hurt to consider many tactics to
get the answers you want. And if your question and its answer(s)
contribute back to the community pool of knowledge, all the better. No
offense was meant.

Well, some questions were related to "I'm trying to learn this darned
GNOME desktop thing." and some were Thunderbird and some are probably
related to the GNOME VFS thing I know little about and some are
related to the Nautilus UI. All related, but perhaps more or less so.
I guess I missed the common thread.

> Perhaps "General Desktop Questions" is a bit too broad, but creating
> five different posts for basic questions about the desktop that I
> wasn't sure were my usability difficulties or otherwise.

It's a fair argument, I agree. I was just suggesting how you might get
broader response. I could be wrong. It wouldn't be my first time ;)

> For example, in Windows Firefox I can type a Google search term in the 
> location bar, but not in FC13. Is this configurable?

I'll betcha it is. What have you tried? Where have you looked?

I typed "configure Firefox address bar for Google search" into my
address bar, as apparently I've already done the thing you're looking
for. The first link,
http://www.techzilo.com/search-google-address-bar-firefox-google-chrome/,
which brought me an alternate suggestion to what suvaya ali suggests.

My about:config setting for keyword.URL is set to:

http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=

and that works for me.

> I've got a basic font question, but will open a new thread for that :-)

Great idea! Good luck with that!

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Re: Unable to disable wireless with latest NetworkManager-gnome

2010-08-30 Thread Marcel Rieux
I have a somewhat similar "problem" with a wired ADSL connection. I
used to disable the connection by right clicking the icon and
unclicking "Enable connection". Now "Enable connection" is checked and
grayed out. It's impossible to disable the connection by unchecking.
BUT, it you left click and choose disconnect, it disconnects. You then
click "System eth0" to connect.

So, it seems to work but I never saw any advice about this change.
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Re: Java/Firefox craziness

2010-08-30 Thread suvayu ali
On 30 August 2010 14:10, William Case  wrote:
> Hi;
>
> Just some clarification and double checking.
>
> I want to use a Canadian government site with Firefox on Fedora 13.  I
> get the warning message that I need Sun JVM 1.6.0_3 or greater.  There
> is nothing in the repositories that I can see resembling Sun JVM.
> Apparently I can download and install from Sun, but I get messages that
> no new updates are being made available.
>

I ran into the same problem a month ago with the Canadian government
sites. I plan to file an bugzilla for this against openjdk when I have
the time.

You have 2 options,

1. Install Sun Java from Sun's website. (untested)
2. Use Windows to complete the transaction. A virtual machine would be
just perfect for this. :)

> (Irony => the site isn't working in WindowsXP  Explorer either)
>

Contrary to your experience I actually submitted my application on
Windows XP with firefox.

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> Evo.2.20.2, Emacs 23.2.1

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Re: Unable to set txpower on wifi card

2010-08-30 Thread JD
  On 08/30/2010 02:22 PM, JB wrote:
> iwconfig eth0 txpower auto
Even after setting it to auto, it still remains at 8dBm:


$ iwconfig wlan0
wlan0 IEEE 802.11abgn  ESSID:"deleted"
   Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: 
AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF
   Bit Rate=54 Mb/s   Tx-Power=8 dBm
   Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
   Power Management:on
   Link Quality=70/70  Signal level=55 dBm
   Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
   Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0

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Re: Problem with hibernation

2010-08-30 Thread Timothy Murphy
Timothy Murphy wrote:

> My laptop has ceased hibernating.
> When I click on f=>Leave=>Hibernate
> the sleep-moon starts flashing
> and the small hyphen-like symbol on the top left comes on as usual,
> but as far as I can see nothing is written to disk.

I solved my problem by adding RAM - 
there was 512MB, and I added 1GB.
After this, to my surprise, hibernation worked again.
So it seems the cause was a shortage of memory.
I'm rather surprised, as I have (and had) 2GB swap space.


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Re: Unable to set txpower on wifi card - SOLVED

2010-08-30 Thread JD
  A patch was submitted on Aug 25th, 2010 and integrated in 2.6.36.

Google the exact phrase "rt2x00: Fix max TX power settings"

so, it will be quiet a while before a fedora kernel package sees it.


On 08/30/2010 02:22 PM, JB wrote:
> JD  gmail.com>  writes:
>
>>F13, latest updates.
>> wifi card: Sparklan wmir-200N
>> http://www.sparklan.com/product.php?func=view&prod_id=43
>> Chipset: RT2860/RT2850
>>
>> The Datasheet says:
>>
>> Output Power
>> 802.11a: 12.5dBm ± 1.5dBm
>> 802.11b: 17dBm ± 1.5dBm
>> 802.11g: 14dBm ± 1.5dBm
>> 802.11an: 14dBm ± 1.5dBm
>> 802.11gn: 14dBm ± 1.5dBm
>>
>> I am running in g mode (54megabits/s)
>>
>> $ sudo iwconfig wlan0
>> wlan0 IEEE 802.11abgn  ESSID:"Deleted"
>> Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point:
>> aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff
>> Bit Rate=54 Mb/s   Tx-Power=8 dBm<<<=
>> Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
>> Encryption key:off
>> Power Management:on
>> Link Quality=70/70  Signal level=58 dBm
>> Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
>> Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
>>
>> I tried to set txpower to 14 per datasheet spec:
>>
>> $ sudo iwconfig wlan0 txpower 14dBm
>> Error for wireless request "Set Tx Power" (8B26) :
>>   SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
>>
>> The drivers that are loaded for this wifi card are:
>>
>> rt2800pci   7931  0
>> rt2800lib  27818  1 rt2800pci
>> rt2x00pci   5799  1 rt2800pci
>> rt2x00lib  25936  3 rt2800pci,rt2800lib,rt2x00pci
>> mac80211  182154  2 rt2x00pci,rt2x00lib
>> cfg80211  135626  2 rt2x00lib,mac80211
>> eeprom_93cx61305  1 rt2800pci
>> crc_ccitt   1311  2 rt2800pci,irda
>>
>> Is this an issue with the wext driver or with the rt2X drivers?
>>
> Hi,
> $ man iwconfig
> ...
>txpower
>...
>In  addition,  on and off enable and disable the radio, and 
> auto
>and fixed enable and disable power control  (if  those  
> features
>are available).
>...
>iwconfig eth0 txpower auto
>
> $ sudo iwconfig wlan0
> ...
> Bit Rate=54 Mb/s   Tx-Power=8 dBm<<<=
> ...
>
> The Tx-Power=8 dBm
> means "fixed" power control (as opposite to "auto").
> JB
>
>

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Re: Unable to disable wireless with latest NetworkManager-gnome

2010-08-30 Thread Genes MailLists
On 08/30/2010 03:37 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote:
> I have a somewhat similar "problem" with a wired ADSL connection. I
> used to disable the connection by right clicking the icon and
> unclicking "Enable connection". Now "Enable connection" is checked and
> grayed out. It's impossible to disable the connection by unchecking.
> BUT, it you left click and choose disconnect, it disconnects. You then
> click "System eth0" to connect.
> 
> So, it seems to work but I never saw any advice about this change.

 Can you check if after this disconnect and reconnect - if right
clicking still shows the buttons grayed out ?
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Re: Unable to set txpower on wifi card

2010-08-30 Thread Darr
On Monday, 30 August, 2010 @21:33 zulu, JD scribed:

>  On 08/30/2010 02:22 PM, JB wrote:
>> iwconfig eth0 txpower auto
> Even after setting it to auto, it still remains at 8dBm:


http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2008-March/017521.html
suggests the RAW_TXPOWER_SETTING parameter needs to be
defined in kernel options (then recompile) for manual setting of power 
levels to be possible.

I did not actually look up that option in kernel-doc to see if it exists in 
fedora. 

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Re: err:wineconsole:WINECON_Fatal Couldn't find a decent font, aborting

2010-08-30 Thread Joshua C.
2010/8/30 James Mckenzie :
> "Joshua C."  wrote:
>>
>>Actually I need to run a simple batch file. That's why I used a
>>kde-livecd-f14-x86_64 and installed wine-core.i686 wine-wow.i686,
>>wine-common and wine-fonts. All dpendencies were pull automatically.
>>Wine works fine but when trying to start "wineconsole cmd" I got the
>>error message.
>
> Interesting.  I don't get that error on my Mac.  However, I did run 
> winetricks allfonts on it.  I think you stated you had done this as well?
>>
>>Therefore I decided to use an older version of wine and tried the
>>f13.x86_64 livecd and installed exactly the same 4 packages. You can
>>find the current versions in the repo.
>>
> Since I don't have a 64 bit system, but can do exactly what you just did, 
> I'll give it a try, soon.  I have to get the FC13 'stuff' and see what 
> happens.
>
>>I remember that I did the same thing about 2-3 months ago and then I
>>didn't get this error. That's why I posted here to see if someelse has
>>had this problem.
>>
> Was this on FC13 or FC12/13 (if you can remember.)
>
>>Actually winconsole cmd doesn't work for me and wine does. That's
>>strange.To test it just grab the lasted livecd and install the
>>aforementioned packages. Trying different fonts didn't help either.
>
> Interesting because on my Mac, I had to do the opposite.  Maybe things are 
> different on Linux/FC13.  Will find out quickly.
>
> And my apologies for sounding like a snob, but the more information provided 
> up front the faster we, as voluteers, can provide you with assistance.  
> Otherwise, we have to make assumptions and mine were incorrect.
>
> It is interesting that a batch file is throwing these types of errors though.
>
> James McKenzie
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I found something very interesting. As I said eralier I tried the same
packages some months ago and everything worked fine. So I just tested
all the packgaes until i found the "working" one. To clarify before I
start: wine works fine but the "wineconsole cmd" throws the error
about the missing font.

This is what I did:

I tested this on the f13-kde_livecd.x86_64

1. Install wine-core.i686, wine-wow.i686, wine-fonts, wine-common.
2. start wineconsole cmd WITHOUT starting winecfg before it
3. the error occurrs.
4. The only "working" package is 1.2.0-0.6.rc6. After installing it
and going through the steps 1-3 wineconsole shows that it's "Building
font metrics". After it has finished I can upgrade to the latest
1.3.1-1 and it works just fine.

if I delete the .wine directory AFTER the installation of
1.2.0-0.6.rc6 then the error occurs again and I have to go back to the
rc6 in order to enumerate the fonts.

This makes me believe that this font-enumeration writes something to
the .wine directory that's being used by the later versions. after
installing and starting the rc6 all other versions work fine, until I
delete the wine directory.

The change log for the rc7 packages says:
* Sun Jul 11 2010 Andreas Bierfert 
- 1.2-0.7.rc7
- version upgrade
- make sure font packages include the license file in case they are
installed standalone

I assume that the latest patch somehow assumes that if the fonts have
already been installed (separately) then it doesn't need to enumerate
all of them. As a result of this it doesn't write the "necessary"
information in the wine directory which cause wineconsole to throw the
error message.

I hope someone can better figure out why all the later verions work
only after installing and starting rc6 before them. Maybe this can
help.
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Re: Unable to set txpower on wifi card

2010-08-30 Thread JD
  On 08/30/2010 03:31 PM, Darr wrote:
> On Monday, 30 August, 2010 @21:33 zulu, JD scribed:
>
>>   On 08/30/2010 02:22 PM, JB wrote:
>>> iwconfig eth0 txpower auto
>> Even after setting it to auto, it still remains at 8dBm:
>
> http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2008-March/017521.html
> suggests the RAW_TXPOWER_SETTING parameter needs to be
> defined in kernel options (then recompile) for manual setting of power
> levels to be possible.
>
> I did not actually look up that option in kernel-doc to see if it exists in
> fedora.
>
Thanx for the tip.
I will follow it up.

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Re: 2.6.33.8-149.fc13.i686.PAE sleeps NOT

2010-08-30 Thread Geoffrey Leach
On 08/30/2010 01:14:42 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> On 08/26/2010 01:28 PM, JD wrote:
> >   On 08/26/2010 09:29 AM, Geoffrey Leach wrote:
> >   
> >> On 08/26/2010 09:06:33 AM, James Mckenzie wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Geoffrey Leach  wrote
> >>>   
>  Sent: Aug 26, 2010 8:37 AM
>  To: Fedora List
>  Subject: 2.6.33.8-149.fc13.i686.PAE sleeps NOT
> 
>  The newly-released kernel, 2.6.33.8-149.fc13.i686.PAE, wakes up 
> a
>  
> >>> few
> >>>
> >>>   
>  seconds after being asked to sleep. 
> 2.6.33.6-147.2.4.fc13.i686.PAE
>  does not have this problem. Has anyone experienced this? And
> perhaps
>  discovered a solution? (Bugzilla report against fc12 kernel for
> the
>  same problem was ignored)
> 
>  
> >>> As an aside, is this for the same kernel release?  It might be
> nice
> >>> to
> >>> let them know it also affects Fedora Core 13.
> >>>   
> >> The FC13 bug is 627664. I mention the FC12 report there. Color me
> >> cynical, but I doubt that it will get much attention. OTOH, my
> >> experience suggests that its not release-specific.
> >> 
> > My impression was that kernel bugs are worked on only by
> > the mainline devs that release kernels on kernel.org. Is this
> > correct?
> > If it is, then it will be a long time for fedora to see a fix
> > for the kernel bug.
> >   
> This is not entirely true. Red Hat has a team of kernel people, and
> they
> will fig bugs in the red Hat kernels, and submit their fixes 
> upstream.
> Many times the major distros get bug fixes before they get into the
> mainline kernel. This is one of the nice things about Open Source.

FWIW, there's been a reply to my Bug 627664, requesting me to test 
against kernel-2.6.34.6-47.  Regretably the reply was not of the "We've 
fixed the problem" sort. Also, my report did not mention the problem 
with hiberhate, for which I've not been able to come up with any 
evidence.


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Re: Unable to set txpower on wifi card

2010-08-30 Thread JD
  On 08/30/2010 03:31 PM, Darr wrote:
> On Monday, 30 August, 2010 @21:33 zulu, JD scribed:
>
>>   On 08/30/2010 02:22 PM, JB wrote:
>>> iwconfig eth0 txpower auto
>> Even after setting it to auto, it still remains at 8dBm:
>
> http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2008-March/017521.html
> suggests the RAW_TXPOWER_SETTING parameter needs to be
> defined in kernel options (then recompile) for manual setting of power
> levels to be possible.
>
> I did not actually look up that option in kernel-doc to see if it exists in
> fedora.
>
A mainline developer provided a patch which I am now
applying to kernel 2.6.35.4 (from kernel.org).
Will know if it works after I install and reboot.
As I had posted an FYI a couple of days ago, my
wifi card (rt2860) was not fully supported until
kernel 2.6.35. None of the Fedora releases support it yet
and I am not interested in the akmods from rpmfusion.

See https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17501

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Re: SELINUX

2010-08-30 Thread JB
Alan Cox  lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> writes:

> 
> > http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/wisdom/braindump/selinux.html
> > 
> > No doubt there are those who disagree though .
> 
> Indeed -  I think I'd consider a consultant who did that on my systems as
> setting themselves up for a negligence lawsuit if the box got hacked.
> 
> Alan

Hi,
Well, if selinux is the best that happened to security since sliced bread, then
why people make these comments ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security-Enhanced_Linux
...
Overall, the reception to SELINUX has been mixed in the Linux community with
various sys-admins preferring to stay away from it because of the usage issues.
...

http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6156411.html
...
SELinux is a mystery to a lot of people. During Linux installation, most
administrators either disable the feature or turn it on without knowing exactly
what it will do to their systems.
...

http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/view/129763
Comments
too much damn control   Written by pauly on 2007-09-28 14:13:42
why should i have to undo controls just to use programs - its seen as
unnecessary for the desktop and most people use desktops.

SELinux Written by Jon on 2007-10-01 08:07:07
For desktop users it might take to much time to get working right, but all
servers should have SELInux turned on.

SELinux on a server Written by johnny on 2007-10-03 09:30:20
One compromise approach is to switch SELinux to permissive mode until it's
settled down and nicely configured, and then switch back to enforcing mode and
leave it that way until permissive mode is really needed during a major change
to the server. Changes that big should be infrequent.
Agreed that it needs to be simplified for desktop users.

Often enough it's difficult enough just to configure and get a new subsystem up
and running ...
Written by Jim Dennis on 2008-04-10 12:38:24
... adding SELinux over the top of that is just too onerous for the majority of
professional sys admins (let alone normal users). (Even good admins periodically
have to spend hours chasing down obscure permissions issues just using the stock
4 octets modes on normal UNIX files and directories).
I wouldn't even consider deploying SELinux in an organization of any size or
complexity without dedicating at least one full-time security specialist to
managing its policies and supporting admins and developers through every new
application deployment.
That's an expectation which must be firmly and clearly set with management
before they attempt any sort of SELinux adoption.

http://lwn.net/Articles/365224/
SELinux ... It is a highly flexible system, but also highly complex; even a
minimal SELinux policy can involve thousands of rules. The complexity of SELinux
has almost certainly inhibited its adoption in the broader Linux community; when
SELinux gets in the way of real work, figuring out how to fix it can be a
nontrivial task. Over the years, many administrators have concluded, like Ted
Ts'o, that "life is too short for SELinux."

Here is that article by Ted Ts'o:
http://lwn.net/Articles/252588/
...
Why do security people think they have the ability to dictate to
application writers that they use specialized API's or write arcane
security policies?

And I could go on and on ...
JB
   





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Files named in Chinese characters couldn't display properly in Fedora 12

2010-08-30 Thread Quan Qiu
I installed fedora 12 (English version) on a Dell R300 server, as well as
SVN and Trac, after I imported files into Linux, all files named in Chinese
became black squares or question marks when listing them, and there were
additional strings "invalid encoding" attached after each filename. In
addition, Chinese font in Firefox looks not pretty, some are big, and some
are small.

I installed cjkuni-fonts, cjkunifonts-uming fonts, and also setup locale to
zh_CN.UTF8, but it didn't get me any luck.

Could anyone help me with this? I appreciate any response.
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Re: Files named in Chinese characters couldn't display properly in Fedora 12

2010-08-30 Thread Ed Greshko
 On 08/31/2010 08:57 AM, Quan Qiu wrote:
> I installed fedora 12 (English version) on a Dell R300 server, as well
> as SVN and Trac, after I imported files into Linux, all files named in
> Chinese became black squares or question marks when listing them, and
> there were additional strings "invalid encoding" attached after each
> filename. In addition, Chinese font in Firefox looks not pretty, some
> are big, and some are small.
>
> I installed cjkuni-fonts, cjkunifonts-uming fonts, and also setup
> locale to zh_CN.UTF8, but it didn't get me any luck.
>
> Could anyone help me with this? I appreciate any response.

I think my questions would be.

1.  Where did the imported files come from?

2.  Are you certain that the file names are in UTF8 and not, for
example, GB2312?

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Re: Files named in Chinese characters couldn't display properly in Fedora 12

2010-08-30 Thread Chris Smart
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Quan Qiu  wrote:
> Could anyone help me with this? I appreciate any response.

Does this help?
yum groupinstall "Chinese Support"

-c
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Re: Files named in Chinese characters couldn't display properly in Fedora 12

2010-08-30 Thread Quan Qiu
Thanks for reply. I tried *yum groupinstall "Chinese Support"*, then restart
the server, but didn't get any luck.



On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Quan Qiu  wrote:
> > Could anyone help me with this? I appreciate any response.
>
> Does this help?
> yum groupinstall "Chinese Support"
>
> -c
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Re: Files named in Chinese characters couldn't display properly in Fedora 12

2010-08-30 Thread Quan Qiu
Thanks for reply.

1.  Where did the imported files come from?

Those files were copied from Windows XP through ssh.

2.  Are you certain that the file names are in UTF8 and not, for
example, GB2312?

Most of files are .doc or .xls. Do you know how to convert them to GB2312 ?



On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Ed Greshko  wrote:

>  On 08/31/2010 08:57 AM, Quan Qiu wrote:
> > I installed fedora 12 (English version) on a Dell R300 server, as well
> > as SVN and Trac, after I imported files into Linux, all files named in
> > Chinese became black squares or question marks when listing them, and
> > there were additional strings "invalid encoding" attached after each
> > filename. In addition, Chinese font in Firefox looks not pretty, some
> > are big, and some are small.
> >
> > I installed cjkuni-fonts, cjkunifonts-uming fonts, and also setup
> > locale to zh_CN.UTF8, but it didn't get me any luck.
> >
> > Could anyone help me with this? I appreciate any response.
>
> I think my questions would be.
>
> 1.  Where did the imported files come from?
>
> 2.  Are you certain that the file names are in UTF8 and not, for
> example, GB2312?
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Re: Files named in Chinese characters couldn't display properly in Fedora 12

2010-08-30 Thread Sam Varshavchik

Quan Qiu writes:


« HTML content follows »
Thanks for reply.

1.  Where did the imported files come from?

Those files were copied from Windows XP through ssh.

2.  Are you certain that the file names are in UTF8 and not, for
example, GB2312?

Most of files are .doc or .xls. Do you know how to convert them to GB2312 ?


It's not the contents of your files being in UTF8, GB2312, or another 
character set.


It's the filenames themselves being coded in the UTF8 or GB2312 character 
set.


You say you've set your system locale to zh_CN.UTF8. This indicates that 
your filenames must be coded in UTF8 to be shown correctly on your terminal.


Try this, in the directory with your files:

ls -l | iconv -f GB2312 -t UTF8

If you now see your files named in proper Chinese characters, this means 
that your filenames are coded in GB2312. You simply need to rename these 
files from GB2312 to UTF8. Probably something like this:


ls | while read filename
do
mv -i "$filename" "`echo \"$filename\" | iconv -f GB2312 -t UTF8`"
done



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grub-install question

2010-08-30 Thread JD
  A friend has a PC with
windows only on the main boot disk,
and another windows + F13 on the second disk.

Because he did not install grub on sda, he can only boot
windows on sda. Bios boot menu does not allow him to
select the second disk for booting. Only way he can
boot second disk is by disabling main disk (sda) in bios,
and then bios will boot from the second disk.

Since I do not have such a setup, nor such a PC, I needed
to find out the following:

if main disk is disabled in bios, and fedora is booted
from 2nd disk,  is boot disk named /dev/sda as far as
Fedora is concerned? Or is it named /dev/sdb ??

So, now if he wants to use grub-install to iinstall the
boot loader onto the bios-disabled-drive,
a- is that drive visible to Fedora?
b- if it is visible, what will it's name be?
c- Assuming it is visible and Fedora names it /dev/sdb
 and he runs:  grub-install --recheck /dev/sdb

will grub-install attempt to put the grub image files in
the root directory of /dev/sdb??
(Note: as explained above, the main boot drive, disabled-in-bios, is all 
a windows drive).
I am concerned that grub-install might damage windows.



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Re: Files named in Chinese characters couldn't display properly in Fedora 12

2010-08-30 Thread L
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Sam Varshavchik  wrote:
> Quan Qiu writes:
>
>> « HTML content follows »
>> Thanks for reply.
>>
>> 1.  Where did the imported files come from?
>>
>> Those files were copied from Windows XP through ssh.
>>
>> 2.  Are you certain that the file names are in UTF8 and not, for
>> example, GB2312?
>>
>> Most of files are .doc or .xls. Do you know how to convert them to GB2312
>> ?
>
> It's not the contents of your files being in UTF8, GB2312, or another
> character set.
>
> It's the filenames themselves being coded in the UTF8 or GB2312 character
> set.
>
> You say you've set your system locale to zh_CN.UTF8. This indicates that
> your filenames must be coded in UTF8 to be shown correctly on your terminal.
>
> Try this, in the directory with your files:
>
> ls -l | iconv -f GB2312 -t UTF8
>
> If you now see your files named in proper Chinese characters, this means
> that your filenames are coded in GB2312. You simply need to rename these
> files from GB2312 to UTF8. Probably something like this:
>
> ls | while read filename
> do
> mv -i "$filename" "`echo \"$filename\" | iconv -f GB2312 -t UTF8`"
> done
>
>

I have fedora 13 (english version) with

yum groupinstall "Chinese Support"

display, type files and file names all right.

are you able to create a file with Chinese file name?

good luck



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Re: Files named in Chinese characters couldn't display properly in Fedora 12

2010-08-30 Thread Jens Petersen
> ls | while read filename
> do
> mv -i "$filename" "`echo \"$filename\" | iconv -f GB2312 -t UTF8`"
> done

Or you can use the convmv tool (in fedora) to do that too.
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Re: Files named in Chinese characters couldn't display properly in Fedora 12

2010-08-30 Thread Ed Greshko
 On 08/31/2010 11:18 AM, Jens Petersen wrote:
>> ls | while read filename
>> do
>> mv -i "$filename" "`echo \"$filename\" | iconv -f GB2312 -t UTF8`"
>> done
> Or you can use the convmv tool (in fedora) to do that too.

Hadn't known about that command.  Thanks

Sometimes the hardest thing is to determine what encoding the file names
are in to start.  :-(

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Missing Codec in Fedora 13

2010-08-30 Thread Marvin Kosmal
Hi

Just installed Fedora 13.  Upgraded from 12..

My movie player will not work.

Error message below..

The playback of this movie requires a Advanced Streaming Format (ASF)
demuxer plugin which is not installed.


Neither yum or the package manager could find it.


I googled and got a 1000 hits..  After checking I am not sure who/what
to trust...

Is there a trusted Fedora site where I can get this codec??

TIA

Marvin
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Re: Problem with hibernation

2010-08-30 Thread Hiisi
2010/8/31 Timothy Murphy :
<--SNIP-->
>
> I solved my problem by adding RAM -
> there was 512MB, and I added 1GB.
> After this, to my surprise, hibernation worked again.
> So it seems the cause was a shortage of memory.
> I'm rather surprised, as I have (and had) 2GB swap space.
>
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I would consider submitting a bug report against kernel.
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Re: Missing Codec in Fedora 13

2010-08-30 Thread JD
  On 08/30/2010 08:31 PM, Marvin Kosmal wrote:
> Hi
>
> Just installed Fedora 13.  Upgraded from 12..
>
> My movie player will not work.
>
> Error message below..
>
> The playback of this movie requires a Advanced Streaming Format (ASF)
> demuxer plugin which is not installed.
>
>
> Neither yum or the package manager could find it.
>
>
> I googled and got a 1000 hits..  After checking I am not sure who/what
> to trust...
>
> Is there a trusted Fedora site where I can get this codec??
>
> TIA
>
> Marvin
That plugin is provided by the package
gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.15-1.fc13.i686

On my machine, I have also installed:

gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.15-1.fc13.i686
gstreamermm-0.10.7-1.fc13.i686
gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.30-1.fc13.i686
gstreamer-devel-0.10.30-1.fc13.i686
gstreamer-plugins-fc-0.2-1.fc13.i686
gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.19-1.fc13.i686
ghc-gstreamer-prof-0.10.1.20100110-4.fc13.i686
gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10.10-2.fc13.i686
gstreamer-python-0.10.16-1.fc12.i686
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.19-1.fc13.i686
gstreamer-0.10.30-1.fc13.i686
gstreamer-plugins-base-devel-0.10.30-1.fc13.i686
gstreamer-rtsp-0.10.5-1.fc13.i686
gstreamer-plugins-bad-nonfree-0.10.18-1.fc13.i686
gstreamer-rtsp-vala-0.10.5-1.fc13.i686
gstreamer-java-javadoc-1.3-3.fc12.i686
gstreamer-rtsp-devel-0.10.5-1.fc13.i686
gstreamer-java-1.3-3.fc12.i686
gstreamer-plugins-espeak-0.3.3-2.fc12.i686
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-devel-0.10.19-1.fc13.i686
gstreamer-tools-0.10.30-1.fc13.i686
gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.24-1.fc13.i686
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-devel-docs-0.10.19-1.fc13.i686
gstreamer-python-devel-0.10.16-1.fc12.i686
gstreamer-rtsp-python-0.10.5-1.fc13.i686
gstreamer-plugins-good-devel-docs-0.10.24-1.fc13.noarch
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras-0.10.19-1.fc13.i686
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Re: Files named in Chinese characters couldn't display properly in Fedora 12

2010-08-30 Thread Hiisi
2010/8/31 Ed Greshko :
<--SNIP-->
>
> Hadn't known about that command.  Thanks
>
> Sometimes the hardest thing is to determine what encoding the file names
> are in to start.  :-(
>
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>
>

For that purpose there's a powerful utility called enca. From enca man page:
 If you are lucky enough, the only two things you will ever need to know
   are: command

  enca FILE

   will tell you which encoding file FILE uses (without changing it), and

  enconv FILE

   will convert file FILE to your locale native encoding.
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Re: SELINUX

2010-08-30 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tuesday, August 31, 2010 01:15:15 JB wrote:
> Well, if selinux is the best that happened to security since sliced bread,
> then why people make these comments ?

Umm, let me see... :-)

(a) because SELinux has a learning curve;
(b) because SELinux uncovers bad admin practices by breaking lousy configured 
apps, and thus uncovers admin incompetence;
(c) because SELinux security policies needed some time to mature to a usable 
state;
(d) because people don't like to give up their (bad) habits and accept more 
strict rules, even when those rules are for their own benefit.

For example, the very first thing a Windows convert whines about in Linux is 
having to deal with those ugly stupid "rwxrwxrwx" things that make his life so 
miserable. And he hates having to learn about chown and chmod, let alone those 
dreaded man pages that are so cryptic... But the fact that all Windows 
converts regularly whine about permissions doesn't make them right.

Ditto for SELinux.

As to your examples:
 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security-Enhanced_Linux
> ...
> Overall, the reception to SELINUX has been mixed in the Linux community
> with various sys-admins preferring to stay away from it because of the
> usage issues. ...

You missed to quote the wikipedia's "citation needed" tag at the end of this 
sentence.

> http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6156411.html

This article is from 2007. A lot has changed since then.

> http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/view/129763

This article (and most of the comments) is from 2007. A lot has changed since 
then.

> http://lwn.net/Articles/252588/

This article is from 2007. A lot has changed since then. (Am I repeating 
myself here?)

> http://lwn.net/Articles/365224/

Aaah, this one is from December 2009, much more recent... :-)

> SELinux ... It is a highly flexible system, but also highly complex; even a
> minimal SELinux policy can involve thousands of rules. The complexity of
> SELinux has almost certainly inhibited its adoption in the broader Linux
> community; when SELinux gets in the way of real work, figuring out how to
> fix it can be a nontrivial task. Over the years, many administrators have
> concluded, like Ted Ts'o, that "life is too short for SELinux."

How about continuing the quote into the next paragraph:

"That said, Fedora and Red Hat have slowly made progress in using SELinux to 
confine parts of the system without creating too much user pain. And there is 
certainly a place for more comprehensive security models in general."

> And I could go on and on ...

I didn't bother to read the articles you quoted. First of all, they are just 
obsolete, given the time when they were written. Second, since SELinux was 
first introduced, I haven't seen a single reasonable and convincing argument 
against using it. People just whine that it's cryptic, that it gets in the way 
when they try to do something (wrong?), and that they don't like it. Those are 
not real and convincing arguments.

The only critique that came even remotely close to reason was that running 
SELinux produces a performance penalty, while having no gain if the machine is 
not exposed to Internet. But in those cases one can just disable it to gain 
back the performance, provided that security is not an issue.

All my current servers and desktops have SELinux in enforcing mode, and I 
haven't seen a single AVC denial for two years now (since Fedora 9, to be 
precise). The only exception was when a script-kiddie managed to guess a ssh 
password of one of my users, and then tried to escalate to root. The attack 
was unsuccessful mostly because of SELinux --- I saw a whole bunch of denials, 
and managed to recover from the intrusion without having to wipe&reinstall the 
whole system. That was my firsthand experience that SELinux is actually quite 
useful and effective.

Of course, if you are smart enough to protect your system without SELinux, or 
stupid enough to believe you cannot benefit from its protection, feel free to 
disable it. You are also free to shut down the firewall, use your desktop from 
a root account, publish your root password on the web, etc. :-)

Best, :-)
Marko

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Re: Files named in Chinese characters couldn't display properly in Fedora 12

2010-08-30 Thread Quan Qiu
Thanks a lot. You are very right about this problem! Now, Fedora can display
Chinese file names properly although the font doesn't look pretty. :-D

One more question, when I used Putty to SSH the server, all files named in
Chinese couldn't display properly. Is that because of the Putty doesn't
support Chinese? If it is the case, which SSH tools do you suggest?




On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

> Quan Qiu writes:
>
>  « HTML content follows »
>>
>> Thanks for reply.
>>
>> 1.  Where did the imported files come from?
>>
>> Those files were copied from Windows XP through ssh.
>>
>> 2.  Are you certain that the file names are in UTF8 and not, for
>> example, GB2312?
>>
>> Most of files are .doc or .xls. Do you know how to convert them to GB2312
>> ?
>>
>
> It's not the contents of your files being in UTF8, GB2312, or another
> character set.
>
> It's the filenames themselves being coded in the UTF8 or GB2312 character
> set.
>
> You say you've set your system locale to zh_CN.UTF8. This indicates that
> your filenames must be coded in UTF8 to be shown correctly on your terminal.
>
> Try this, in the directory with your files:
>
> ls -l | iconv -f GB2312 -t UTF8
>
> If you now see your files named in proper Chinese characters, this means
> that your filenames are coded in GB2312. You simply need to rename these
> files from GB2312 to UTF8. Probably something like this:
>
> ls | while read filename
> do
> mv -i "$filename" "`echo \"$filename\" | iconv -f GB2312 -t UTF8`"
> done
>
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Re: Files named in Chinese characters couldn't display properly in Fedora 12

2010-08-30 Thread Ed Greshko
 On 08/31/2010 11:54 AM, Hiisi wrote:
> 2010/8/31 Ed Greshko :
> <--SNIP-->
>> Hadn't known about that command.  Thanks
>>
>> Sometimes the hardest thing is to determine what encoding the file names
>> are in to start.  :-(
>>
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>>
>>
> For that purpose there's a powerful utility called enca. From enca man page:
>  If you are lucky enough, the only two things you will ever need to know
>are: command
>
>   enca FILE
>
>will tell you which encoding file FILE uses (without changing it), and
>
>   enconv FILE
>
>will convert file FILE to your locale native encoding.

Well...the man page says "enca -- detect and convert encoding of text
files" and we are talking about file names not the contents of the
file.  I think the problem with detection of the encoding of the file
name...and even a text tile contents is that if the number of characters
is small (i.e. small sample size) the detection is prone to error.

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Re: Files named in Chinese characters couldn't display properly in Fedora 12

2010-08-30 Thread Quan Qiu
Thanks for pointing. I will look at the convmv tool



On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Jens Petersen  wrote:

> > ls | while read filename
> > do
> > mv -i "$filename" "`echo \"$filename\" | iconv -f GB2312 -t UTF8`"
> > done
>
> Or you can use the convmv tool (in fedora) to do that too.
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