Re: grub menu is automatically skipped
Aaron Konstam sbcglobal.net> writes:
> ...
> I am glad you solved you problem but I am amazed that default worked.
Hi,
Aaron is right about his amazement.
info grub
...
-- Command: default num
Set the default entry to the entry number NUM. Numbering starts
from 0, and the entry number 0 is the default if the command is not
used.
...
So, the presence of default command is not required.
> Hibernate saves the state of the system at the time you tell it to
> hibernate.
$ less /var/log/pm-suspend.log
...
/usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/01grub hibernate hibernate: success.
...
$ less /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/01grub
...
out=$(/sbin/grubby --info /boot/vmlinuz-$(uname -r) |grep index)
...
echo "savedefault --default=${current} --once" | \
...
In this case, the default entry is the entry saved with the command
`savedefault'.
> When you return you load back the system to the state you
> had before hibernation.
GRUB will choose the entry booted previously as the default entry.
> Which means to me that if you hibernate while in
> Linux it should come back to Linux. And booting into Windows 7 should be
> impossible. Would someone who suggested the default solution explain why
> this works?
Yes, Aaron. Do not let them off the hook :-)
JB
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Re: Fedora updates getting more like Windows every day
On 08/23/2010 02:36 PM, David wrote: > On 8/23/2010 2:17 AM, Tim wrote: >> Tim: At least, with us, you generally only have to reboot to use the update. You can stay on the prior one, in the meantime. Unlike Windows, which often has to reboot, you can't keep on using the computer, or other things won't install until you reboot. >> David: >>> This is mostly FUD by the way. A Windows update does not require a >>> reboot to 'work' only to complete the install and to restart what was >>> updated. A reboot is the simplest way to complete the process as well >>> as the easiest path for the user. >> Mostly, as in not actually... >> >> I have experienced this. You'll start doing updates, and be forced to >> reboot part way through, before you can download and install further >> updates. And then, on the occasions that you can defer rebooting, it's >> unwise to try installing anything else, e.g. software that you want to >> manually add, until the reboot. > > More FUD. Windows updates will 'complete' before a reboot it necessary. > A reboot is the easy, fast way to update the installed programs and the > 'in memory' data. > > I appears that you have no *recent* experience with modern Windows > versions or with modern hardware. > > Rebooting The horror!!! Linux zealot FUD. but what about my > up-time? Who care? OK... Then please explain to me why when I install a fresh copy of Windows Vista it downloads a bunch of updates...asks me to rebootdownloads some more updatesasks me to reboot...downloads some more I think the last time I went through the process I had to go through 4 cycles. Or, is it only Windows 7 that now eliminates the need to go through the process? Thank... -- With listening comes wisdom, with speaking repentance. 葛斯克 愛德華 / 台北市八德路四段 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora updates getting more like Windows every day
On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 15:40 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I don't use package-kit, but yum-utils contains a clever little Python > script called needs-restarting which you can run after updating: Very useful - thank you very much! Brian -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora updates getting more like Windows every day
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 14:37 +0930, Tim wrote: > At least, with us, you generally only have to reboot to use the update. > You can stay on the prior one, in the meantime. Unlike Windows, which > often has to reboot, you can't keep on using the computer, or other > things won't install until you reboot. I often keep using Windows after installing updates, postponing a reboot until it is convenient. Never had a problem (not in recent memory anyways - with the more recent versions of Windows - 2000 through 7). > Thankfully, I find it's few things that do require a reboot, usually > only the kernel. These days package-kit seems to tell me I need to reboot *most* of the time. :-( Yes, some those reboots may not actually *required* if I know what needs to be restarted. Not sure which you meant... Brian -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora updates getting more like Windows every day
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 00:40 -0700, Brian Mury wrote: > On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 14:37 +0930, Tim wrote: > > At least, with us, you generally only have to reboot to use the update. > > You can stay on the prior one, in the meantime. Unlike Windows, which > > often has to reboot, you can't keep on using the computer, or other > > things won't install until you reboot. > > I often keep using Windows after installing updates, postponing a reboot > until it is convenient. Never had a problem (not in recent memory > anyways - with the more recent versions of Windows - 2000 through 7). > > > Thankfully, I find it's few things that do require a reboot, usually > > only the kernel. > > These days package-kit seems to tell me I need to reboot *most* of the > time. :-( Yes, some those reboots may not actually *required* if I know > what needs to be restarted. Not sure which you meant... > > Brian > > And so linux became dumber than windows... O BOFH, where art thou... -- Calin Key fingerprint = 37B8 0DA5 9B2A 8554 FB2B 4145 5DC1 15DD A3EF E857 = We are currently trying a new concept of using a live mouse. Unfortuantely, one has yet to survive being hooked up to the computer.please bear with us. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: evince problem (doesn't remember defaults)
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Danny Yee wrote: > Upgrading from F12 to F13 was really smooth, but there a couple of > very annoying regressions. > > Every time I open a PDF using evince (document viewer), I get a small > window in the top left of my screen, which I have to resize to be > usable. It's also set to "best width" instead of "best fit", so I > have to change that as well. My new settings aren't remembered for > the next invocation of evince. A zero length file is being created in > ~/.gnome2/evince/last_settings. > > Any advice on how to fix this? I'm not running GNOME or KDE - I'm > using a lightweight stand-alone window-manager (9wm). > Hi! I have a similar problem: every time evince starts, it does with a large window (which cover my wm panel bar) which I have to resize. I'm running F13 with openbox (and with gnome-settings-daemon running in background). Under F12 had no problem. Any help would be very appreciated. Best, -- Marco -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
evince problem (doesn't remember defaults)
Upgrading from F12 to F13 was really smooth, but there a couple of very annoying regressions. Every time I open a PDF using evince (document viewer), I get a small window in the top left of my screen, which I have to resize to be usable. It's also set to "best width" instead of "best fit", so I have to change that as well. My new settings aren't remembered for the next invocation of evince. A zero length file is being created in ~/.gnome2/evince/last_settings. Any advice on how to fix this? I'm not running GNOME or KDE - I'm using a lightweight stand-alone window-manager (9wm). Danny. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Upgrade with little RAM
Patrick Bartek wrote: >> I have a Thinkpad T23 with 512MB >> RAM, >> which I seldom use. >> (It is kept in a holiday location.) >> >> It is currently running Fedora-10, >> which probably shows when it was last used. >> I tried installing Fedora-13 from the KDE Live CD, >> and was a bit surprised to find that >> it started up OK, but then just hung. >> >> Is this likely to be just shortage of RAM? > > Could be, particularly if you used the graphic installer interface. If > you can, try 'text mode'. Is there in fact any way of running a Live CD in text mode? (I just put in the CD and re-boot; there doesn't seem to be any opportunity to choose any option.) -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
XMarks (OT?)
An "XMarks Settings" window opens every few days on my Fedora-13 laptop, saying "Syncing successfully", but with an option to "Synchronize Now". This seems ambiguous to me; if it is "syncing successfully", why should I "synchronize now"? (I have to respond for the window to close.) -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: faster /dev/random
On 08/22/2010 04:46 AM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > > Is there an approved way to increase the speed at which the random pool > for /dev/random fills up? I'm playig with dnssec and getnerating 2k rsa > keys is taking up to 3 hours. I've been googling a bit and Intel x86_64 > machines seem to have random number hardware built in (perhaps also > AMD???) Is there a way to funnel this into the entropy pool? > > -wolfgang If /dev/urandom doesn't provide high enough quality entropy for your uses you could consider investing in an entropy key: http://www.entropykey.co.uk/ They're very cheap - around $30-$60 depending on the number you're buying and have been designed (by a very nice bunch of engineers! ;) for exactly the problem you're trying to solve. Very useful for systems that lack any other hardware rng but require a constant source of good quality entropy. Regards, Bryn. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: XMarks (OT?)
On 08/23/2010 06:09 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > An "XMarks Settings" window opens every few days on my Fedora-13 laptop, > saying "Syncing successfully", but with an option to "Synchronize Now". > > This seems ambiguous to me; > if it is "syncing successfully", why should I "synchronize now"? > (I have to respond for the window to close.) > http://www.xmarks.com/about/help ? -- You have an ambitious nature and may make a name for yourself. 葛斯克 愛 德華 / 台北市八德路四段 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: XMarks (OT?)
Ed Greshko wrote: > On 08/23/2010 06:09 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: >> An "XMarks Settings" window opens every few days on my Fedora-13 laptop, >> saying "Syncing successfully", but with an option to "Synchronize Now". >> >> This seems ambiguous to me; >> if it is "syncing successfully", why should I "synchronize now"? >> (I have to respond for the window to close.) > http://www.xmarks.com/about/help ? Thanks for the suggestion. I entered a "Suggestion" about this ambiguity, but I found the XMarks forum difficult to navigate through. I even felt a bit guilty raising the issue there, as there seems a year-long problem with XMarks synchronisation, particularly if running XMarks with Firefox. I don't really have a problem; I just don't understand why I am asked the question (above). -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: XMarks (OT?)
On 23/08/10 11:49, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > I don't really have a problem; > I just don't understand why I am asked the question (above). > xmarks > settings > sync > Synchronization Options Sync on Shutdown > Ask First ? -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of Fedora -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora updates getting more like Windows every day
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 02:36 -0400, David wrote: > More FUD. Windows updates will 'complete' before a reboot it > necessary. Bullshit, utter bullshit. I've *had* to go through this on several times, as in HAD NO OPTION TO AVOID IT. And that's with Windows 2000 and Vista. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: evince problem (doesn't remember defaults)
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 11:14 +0200, Marco Guazzone wrote: > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Danny Yee wrote: > > Upgrading from F12 to F13 was really smooth, but there a couple of > > very annoying regressions. > > > > Every time I open a PDF using evince (document viewer), I get a small > > window in the top left of my screen, which I have to resize to be > > usable. It's also set to "best width" instead of "best fit", so I > > have to change that as well. My new settings aren't remembered for > > the next invocation of evince. A zero length file is being created in > > ~/.gnome2/evince/last_settings. > > > > Any advice on how to fix this? I'm not running GNOME or KDE - I'm > > using a lightweight stand-alone window-manager (9wm). > > > > Hi! > > I have a similar problem: every time evince starts, it does with a > large window (which cover my wm panel bar) which I have to resize. > > I'm running F13 with openbox (and with gnome-settings-daemon running > in background). > > Under F12 had no problem. > > Any help would be very appreciated. > > Best, > > > -- Marco Same behavior here using Gnome + F13. Cheers, Germán. -- Germán A. Racca National Institute for Space Research (INPE) São José dos Campos - SP - Brasil http://skytux.fedorapeople.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 and sound in Thunderbird
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 6:30 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=579877 > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=561551 > And now I entered a new bz: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=589732 -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: grub menu is automatically skipped
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 07:12 +, JB wrote: > Aaron Konstam sbcglobal.net> writes: > > Which means to me that if you hibernate while in > > Linux it should come back to Linux. I actually find it useful that it does not, and I have been frustrated by the recent change in behavior. I used to be able to hibernate, then boot into Windows, then resume Linux from hibernation. This works because what hibernate actually does is save the RAM state to the swap space. As long as the contents of the swap space are not overwritten, it is possible to resume the hibernated image. Since Windows does not use the Linux swap space, it is theoretically possible to boot into Windows, then resume Linux later. This used to work, but now I find that when I have hibernated, it immediately starts booting Linux again and I am not given the chance to choose the boot option. If anyone knows of a way to restore the old behavior, I'd love to hear about it. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
[389-users] Inconsistency between GUI and ldapquery regarding replication agreements
Hi We ran into a very interesting problem... We can't run 389-console directly from the server on which it is running because it is just to slow to use. It takes almost 5 minutes just to login. We have thus resorted to running the console locally and doing port forwarding with ssh as 389 and 636 is blocked. This worked great until now. We created aliases to localhost for the server names eg: 127.0.0.1 authserver1.example.com authserver1 ssh -f -N -L 9830:authserver1:9830 authserver-ip ssh -f -N -L 389:authserver1:389 authserver-ip ssh -f -N -L 636:authserver1:636 authserver-ip This works for individual servers but we now have a shared netscaperoot. What happens is that when we open up the console and connect to the any directory server we are actually connecting to localhost and thus end up seeing the same information for each server (not completely) it confuses the GUI no end. This email's purpose is two fold, one is for the record and hopefully someone else will read this and not make the same mistake. Two, realizing that I have asked this before any suggestions for speeding up the console. It just seems odd that there is such a fast difference between running the console locally and running it remotely via ssh. Regards In order to protect our email recipients, Betfair Group use SkyScan from MessageLabs to scan all Incoming and Outgoing mail for viruses. -- 389 users mailing list 389-us...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: Fedora updates getting more like Windows every day
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 15:29 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 08/23/2010 02:36 PM, David wrote: > > On 8/23/2010 2:17 AM, Tim wrote: > >> Tim: > At least, with us, you generally only have to reboot to use the > update. You can stay on the prior one, in the meantime. Unlike > Windows, which often has to reboot, you can't keep on using the > computer, or other things won't install until you reboot. > >> David: > >>> This is mostly FUD by the way. A Windows update does not require a > >>> reboot to 'work' only to complete the install and to restart what was > >>> updated. A reboot is the simplest way to complete the process as well > >>> as the easiest path for the user. > >> Mostly, as in not actually... > >> > >> I have experienced this. You'll start doing updates, and be forced to > >> reboot part way through, before you can download and install further > >> updates. And then, on the occasions that you can defer rebooting, it's > >> unwise to try installing anything else, e.g. software that you want to > >> manually add, until the reboot. > > > > More FUD. Windows updates will 'complete' before a reboot it necessary. > > A reboot is the easy, fast way to update the installed programs and the > > 'in memory' data. > > > > I appears that you have no *recent* experience with modern Windows > > versions or with modern hardware. > > > > Rebooting The horror!!! Linux zealot FUD. but what about my > > up-time? Who care? > > OK... Then please explain to me why when I install a fresh copy of > Windows Vista it downloads a bunch of updates...asks me to > rebootdownloads some more updatesasks me to reboot...downloads > some more I think the last time I went through the process I had to > go through 4 cycles. > > Or, is it only Windows 7 that now eliminates the need to go through the > process? Nope, Windows 7 does the same thing. I just recently installed Windows 7 and had to do the same install, reboot, install, reboot dance. Craig -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: evince problem (doesn't remember defaults)
This appears to have been fixed upstream https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=606090 So it should be possible to get the Fedora maintainer to update with the fix. I've created a bug in the RH bugzilla https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=626410 Danny. On 23 August 2010 12:24, Germán A. Racca wrote: > On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 11:14 +0200, Marco Guazzone wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Danny Yee wrote: >> > Upgrading from F12 to F13 was really smooth, but there a couple of >> > very annoying regressions. >> > >> > Every time I open a PDF using evince (document viewer), I get a small >> > window in the top left of my screen, which I have to resize to be >> > usable. It's also set to "best width" instead of "best fit", so I >> > have to change that as well. My new settings aren't remembered for >> > the next invocation of evince. A zero length file is being created in >> > ~/.gnome2/evince/last_settings. >> > >> > Any advice on how to fix this? I'm not running GNOME or KDE - I'm >> > using a lightweight stand-alone window-manager (9wm). >> > >> >> Hi! >> >> I have a similar problem: every time evince starts, it does with a >> large window (which cover my wm panel bar) which I have to resize. >> >> I'm running F13 with openbox (and with gnome-settings-daemon running >> in background). >> >> Under F12 had no problem. >> >> Any help would be very appreciated. >> >> Best, >> >> >> -- Marco > > Same behavior here using Gnome + F13. > > Cheers, > Germán. > -- > Germán A. Racca > National Institute for Space Research (INPE) > São José dos Campos - SP - Brasil > http://skytux.fedorapeople.org > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: grub menu is automatically skipped
On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 19:05 -0500, Mikkel wrote: > On 08/22/2010 04:38 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > > I am glad you solved you problem but I am amazed that default worked. > > Hibernate saves the state of the system at the time you tell it to > > hibernate. When you return you load back the system to the state you > > had before hibernation. Which means to me that if you hibernate while in > > Linux it should come back to Linux. And booting into Windows 7 should be > > impossible. Would someone who suggested the default solution explain why > > this works? > I think you are confusing suspend to RAM with hibernation. When you > have the system hibernating, it has actually shut down. When you > boot Linux again, it checks swap to see if you saved the system > state, and reloads it if you did. But Grub and Windows do not test > this, so if you chose to load Windows, Grub happily does it. But it > probably is not a good idea. > > You can also chose to ignore the hibernating image and do a normal > reboot. I don't remember what you have to pass the kernel to have it > skip the check... > > Mikkel I am always glad to know new things. Hibernate anws suspend have similar functions in that a system state is saved on a disk or in RAM. Google "Linux hibernate" and it seems clear that when the machine is started the state of the system, is restored to what it was before hibernation or suspension. If Grub does not check if a state was saved then hibernation is worthless and I have learned something. To me what you describe is just plain crazy. -- Aaron Konstam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: XMarks (OT?)
Frank Murphy wrote: >> I don't really have a problem; >> I just don't understand why I am asked the question (above). > xmarks > settings > sync > > Synchronization Options > Sync on Shutdown > Ask First ? Thanks for the suggestion. I've turned off "Ask First?". But I still don't understand why XMarks tells me it is synchronizing successfully, and then asks me if I want to synchronize now. Actually, from my brief excursion into XMarks technology I'm satisfied we (XMarks and me) are not on the same wavelength, a conclusion I often reach with Linux software, eg CUPS and NetworkManager. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13: services marked as disabled, are shown to be running.
On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 20:52 -0700, JD wrote: > > Why does it go without saying? Nothing in your previous report > indicates > > that you had checked the s-c-s version of reality using ps. Without > that > > information, how can anyone decide where the problem really is? > > > > poc > Please, stop the noise! > I am sure there are people who will be tryinf this for themselves > and see that it is the case. There is a problem with > system-config-services. > Enough from you. Unbelievable. This is your response to someone asking for further information? Good luck with Bugzilla. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: XMarks (OT?)
On 23/08/10 14:53, Timothy Murphy wrote: --snip-- > Actually, from my brief excursion into XMarks technology > I'm satisfied we (XMarks and me) are not on the same wavelength, > a conclusion I often reach with Linux software, > eg CUPS and NetworkManager. > xMarks is not Linux, OS agnostic. -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of Fedora -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora updates getting more like Windows every day
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 00:40 -0700, Brian Mury wrote: > On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 14:37 +0930, Tim wrote: > > At least, with us, you generally only have to reboot to use the > update. > > You can stay on the prior one, in the meantime. Unlike Windows, > which > > often has to reboot, you can't keep on using the computer, or other > > things won't install until you reboot. > > I often keep using Windows after installing updates, postponing a > reboot > until it is convenient. Never had a problem (not in recent memory > anyways - with the more recent versions of Windows - 2000 through 7). Until you reboot, some updates are not installed, they're just sitting there in a disabled state. It's the reboot process that commits the change. Although I haven't investigated it in detail, I suspect that this is because of a fundamental design limitation of Windows. On Unix-like systems a file can be deleted while still in use, and any processes that haven't closed it just keep on using it with no problem. Windows doesn't allow this, so the update can't actually install the new files (including new executables) until every process using them has stopped. The easiest way to do this is to reboot. OTOH on Unix the updated files (and executables) are completely installed. Any existing processes that use them will at some point have to be restarted (see the needs-restarting app already mentioned) but that can be done as needed. The more you think about it, the smarter the Unix file access model looks. Ken Thompson is a smart guy and the use of inodes to disconnect directory entries from the files they refer to is one of the smartest things he ever did :-) poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Where is XGL for F13
fc13- x86_64 kde Where is the rpm for XGL , I thought it was in xorg-server-xgl ? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora updates getting more like Windows every day
David wrote: >Sent: Aug 22, 2010 11:36 PM >To: Greg Leonard >Subject: Re: Fedora updates getting more like Windows every day > >On 8/23/2010 2:17 AM, Tim wrote: >More FUD. Windows updates will 'complete' before a reboot it necessary. >A reboot is the easy, fast way to update the installed programs and the >'in memory' data. > Udder bull. I've gone through reboot hell with a freshly imaged system. Some 'later' hotfixes/Service Packs/whatever, are dependent on the IN-MEMORY appearance of prior patches/service packs/hotfixes. >I appears that you have no *recent* experience with modern Windows >versions or with modern hardware. Let's see: Windows 7, less than one year old machine. I guess I should go back to using DOS. However, when I install Linux, I don't get this and if I want I can WAIT to apply updates. > >Rebooting The horror!!! Linux zealot FUD. but what about my >up-time? Who care? I do. I've had uptimes in the range of YEARS on Linux/UNIX/OS/2 (what's that???) I've had Windows crash while I was surfing the web. Not pleasent. Uptimes are very important in a six sigma system as well (if you don't understand that term, it's 99.% or BETTER availablity, less schedule maintenance.) I've had applications up and quit on me that, upon restart, ran for weeks and weeks. Windows is a 'boot every day' or 'boot every week' just to clean out the clutter, memory leaks (some of which have existed since Windows 3.0) and other cruft. That is why companies INSIST on running Linux/UNIX for their 'bulletproof' applications. And one item of note: Scientific Linux (enough said). There is no such thing as Scientific Windows, there is no way/method of making it so. Ugly facts, but that is the way. Also, folks, Linux does require reboots for some items that do not include kernel updates, but nowhere near the level that Windows does. (After 20 years of having that level of fun, we shall see when the application I work with moves from UNIX/Linux to Windows.) BTW, if you really got to have that Windows application, the is always the virtual methods...I prefer a little Wine with my Linux. James McKenzie -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13: services marked as disabled, are shown to be running.
On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 21:53 -0700, JD wrote: > On 08/22/2010 09:16 PM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > > On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 20:52 -0700, JD wrote: > >> There is a problem with system-config-services. > > JD, > > > > I would have to agree. Time to BZ s-c-s. Fortunately chkconfig and ps > > give you independent confirmations that the unwanted services are not > > actually running, no matter what s-c-s may say. > Which is fine, if you want to do these extra steps to get this > sort of confirmation. > But the whole purpose of this util is to tell you at a glance. > And it is giving contradictory info. > If a servce is disabled, and I have nothing that starts it, then > the sys config services should not say the status is running. > In fact, even clicking on Stop, the status remains 'running'. > Also, I am not sure if this bug should be filed against Fedora, > as it is present in other distros. JD, Go ahead and submit a Bugzilla report against s-c-s citing exactly what you are seeing, what it's not doing, etc. It's been my experience that the service-config-whatever scripts often get lost in the shuffle of new packages. When their maintainers get good descriptive Bugzilla reports, they can frequently push out a good fix in short order. For example, about six months ago a problem with system-config-httpd was fixed after lying dormant for almost two releases. IIRC that problem turned out to be in alchemy, used by s-c-h. It took the maintainer a couple of months to find and fix the problem, but he eventually got it. Good luck. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora updates getting more like Windows every day
Ed Greshko wrote: > Or, is it only Windows 7 that now eliminates the need to go through the > process? Windows 7 is far from immune to this process. It goes through the same process of installing a bit then reboot to finish the install only to see more come up the next time around. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: savemail: cannot save rejected email anywhere
On 08/22/2010 01:49 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: > > Hmmm, yes, /etc/procmailrc runs it through spamc If that's the case, then the milter only really needs to reject messages with a suitably high score. You should probably also configure it not to modify the body or headers. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13: services marked as disabled, are shown to be running.
On 08/23/2010 08:15 AM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 21:53 -0700, JD wrote: >> On 08/22/2010 09:16 PM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: >>> On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 20:52 -0700, JD wrote: There is a problem with system-config-services. >>> JD, >>> >>> I would have to agree. Time to BZ s-c-s. Fortunately chkconfig and ps >>> give you independent confirmations that the unwanted services are not >>> actually running, no matter what s-c-s may say. >> Which is fine, if you want to do these extra steps to get this >> sort of confirmation. >> But the whole purpose of this util is to tell you at a glance. >> And it is giving contradictory info. >> If a servce is disabled, and I have nothing that starts it, then >> the sys config services should not say the status is running. >> In fact, even clicking on Stop, the status remains 'running'. >> Also, I am not sure if this bug should be filed against Fedora, >> as it is present in other distros. > JD, > > Go ahead and submit a Bugzilla report against s-c-s citing exactly what > you are seeing, what it's not doing, etc. It's been my experience that > the service-config-whatever scripts often get lost in the shuffle of new > packages. When their maintainers get good descriptive Bugzilla reports, > they can frequently push out a good fix in short order. > > For example, about six months ago a problem with system-config-httpd was > fixed after lying dormant for almost two releases. IIRC that problem > turned out to be in alchemy, used by s-c-h. It took the maintainer a > couple of months to find and fix the problem, but he eventually got it. > > Good luck. > --Doc Savage >Fairview Heights, IL > OK. Sounds reasonable. I am wondering whether or not to open the bug in Fedora bugzilla or the more general Redhat Bugzilla? Is there a feedback loop between fedora bugzilla and redhat bugzilla? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: grub menu is automatically skipped
Hi Greg, I have exactly the same problem that I can't choose OS after hibernating Linux. But it doesn't really matter to me since Linux is my main OS. I also noticed that Debian 5 (Lenny) didn't have this problem compared with Fedora at that time ( I don't remember the version ). Hoang Le From: Greg Woods To: Community support for Fedora users Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 7:47:16 PM Subject: Re: grub menu is automatically skipped On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 07:12 +, JB wrote: > Aaron Konstam sbcglobal.net> writes: > > Which means to me that if you hibernate while in > > Linux it should come back to Linux. I actually find it useful that it does not, and I have been frustrated by the recent change in behavior. I used to be able to hibernate, then boot into Windows, then resume Linux from hibernation. This works because what hibernate actually does is save the RAM state to the swap space. As long as the contents of the swap space are not overwritten, it is possible to resume the hibernated image. Since Windows does not use the Linux swap space, it is theoretically possible to boot into Windows, then resume Linux later. This used to work, but now I find that when I have hibernated, it immediately starts booting Linux again and I am not given the chance to choose the boot option. If anyone knows of a way to restore the old behavior, I'd love to hear about it. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: grub menu is automatically skipped
On 08/23/2010 08:48 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 19:05 -0500, Mikkel wrote: >> On 08/22/2010 04:38 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: >>> >>> I am glad you solved you problem but I am amazed that default worked. >>> Hibernate saves the state of the system at the time you tell it to >>> hibernate. When you return you load back the system to the state you >>> had before hibernation. Which means to me that if you hibernate while in >>> Linux it should come back to Linux. And booting into Windows 7 should be >>> impossible. Would someone who suggested the default solution explain why >>> this works? >> I think you are confusing suspend to RAM with hibernation. When you >> have the system hibernating, it has actually shut down. When you >> boot Linux again, it checks swap to see if you saved the system >> state, and reloads it if you did. But Grub and Windows do not test >> this, so if you chose to load Windows, Grub happily does it. But it >> probably is not a good idea. >> >> You can also chose to ignore the hibernating image and do a normal >> reboot. I don't remember what you have to pass the kernel to have it >> skip the check... >> >> Mikkel > > I am always glad to know new things. Hibernate anws suspend have similar > functions in that a system state is saved on a disk or in RAM. Google > "Linux hibernate" and it seems clear that when the machine is started > the state of the system, is restored to what it was before hibernation > or suspension. If Grub does not check if a state was saved then > hibernation is worthless and I have learned something. To me what you > describe is just plain crazy. Grub is a general purpose boot loader. It does not know how to check if there is an OS hibernating. I should also add that if the BIOS supports it, and Linux know how to use it, it will resume directly from disk without Grub ever entering the picture. With Windows, you normally have to set it up before you can use it. I am not sure about Linux. I don't hibernate my systems often enough to look into all the fancy options. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: grub menu is automatically skipped
Greg Woods ucar.edu> writes: > > On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 07:12 +, JB wrote: > > Aaron Konstam sbcglobal.net> writes: > > > > Which means to me that if you hibernate while in > > > Linux it should come back to Linux. > > I actually find it useful that it does not, and I have been frustrated > by the recent change in behavior. I used to be able to hibernate, then > boot into Windows, then resume Linux from hibernation. This works > because what hibernate actually does is save the RAM state to the swap > space. As long as the contents of the swap space are not overwritten, it > is possible to resume the hibernated image. Since Windows does not use > the Linux swap space, it is theoretically possible to boot into Windows, > then resume Linux later. This used to work, but now I find that when I > have hibernated, it immediately starts booting Linux again and I am not > given the chance to choose the boot option. If anyone knows of a way to > restore the old behavior, I'd love to hear about it. > > --Greg > Hi, this is a good idea, but on the first look can not be implemented with hibernate-to-swap-partition approach. The reason is that swap partition can be a destination for saving a machine state of only one OS/distro/kernel at a time. That is the practical reason and requirement for coming back to the same OS/distro/kernel that hibernated, without an intermediate boot loader menu selection available. I think that's obvious. Now, to try to accommodate your idea, the obvious requirement would be to have a private hibernation area/file (swap file ?) for each OS/distro/kernel's machine state. These solutions actually exist; it comes down to different views of how they should be implemented, in kernel or user space, etc. You can read about it here: http://superuser.com/questions/21020/can-i-hibernate-linux-without-a-swap-partition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TuxOnIce JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: savemail: cannot save rejected email anywhere
On 08/23/2010 12:17 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 08/22/2010 01:49 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: >> >> Hmmm, yes, /etc/procmailrc runs it through spamc > > If that's the case, then the milter only really needs to reject messages > with a suitably high score. You should probably also configure it not > to modify the body or headers. It currently rejects any message with a score of 10 or greater (the package default was 15 or greater). I guess I should put the -m flag back as well. BTW, these changes seem to have worked, I'm getting all my hour messages again. Thanks for your suggestions. If nothing else, they are causing me to read and re-read the man pages for these commands looking at the command line options again and again. B^) -- Kevin J. Cummings kjch...@rcn.com cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net cummi...@kjc386.framingham.ma.us Registered Linux User #1232 (http://counter.li.org) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: grub menu is automatically skipped
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 11:36 -0500, Mikkel wrote: > Grub is a general purpose boot loader. It does not know how to check > if there is an OS hibernating. I should also add that if the BIOS > supports it, and Linux know how to use it, it will resume directly > from disk without Grub ever entering the picture. I will have to look in the BIOS and try to figure out which boot parameter controls this. Something definitely knows that the system has hibernated, because the immediate boot to Linux only happens after I have hibernated. Suspending is of course a different deal, since resume can only work with help from the BIOS. If a boot loader is loaded into memory, the suspended image would be overwritten. A hibernated image can be preserved even across booting an entirely different OS. > > With Windows, you normally have to set it up before you can use it. I think there has to be a hibernate partition. Windows doesn't normally have a swap partition the way Linux does, so Linux just uses the swap partition to store the hibernated image. If you have a Linux system without swap, you won't be able to hibernate. > I am not sure about Linux. I don't hibernate my systems often enough > to look into all the fancy options. The boot option is "resume=/dev/https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: grub menu is automatically skipped
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 16:59 +, JB wrote: > Now, to try to accommodate your idea, the obvious requirement would be to have > a private hibernation area/file (swap file ?) for each OS/distro/kernel's > machine state. Only the OS's that you care about hibernating. With just a Linux swap partition, it is possible to hibernate Linux, boot Windows, shut down Windows, then resume Linux. If it was desired to hibernate Windows too, then yes, Windows would need a place to store the hibernated image. Multiple versions of Linux can be hibernated simultaneously as well, as long as they each have their own separate swap partition. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Upgrade with little RAM
--- On Mon, 8/23/10, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > >> I have a Thinkpad T23 with 512MB > >> RAM, > >> which I seldom use. > >> (It is kept in a holiday location.) > >> > >> It is currently running Fedora-10, > >> which probably shows when it was last used. > >> I tried installing Fedora-13 from the KDE Live > CD, > >> and was a bit surprised to find that > >> it started up OK, but then just hung. > >> > >> Is this likely to be just shortage of RAM? > > > > Could be, particularly if you used the graphic > installer interface. If > > you can, try 'text mode'. > > Is there in fact any way of running a Live CD in text > mode? > (I just put in the CD and re-boot; > there doesn't seem to be any opportunity to choose any > option.) I don't know right off hand. Certainly not on the intial boot, but maybe through the Installer there is an option. Try to access the on disc "boot options" or "Help" sections. I haven't messed with LiveCDs since Fedora 10, and never used them for installing anyway. I only do installs with Install DVDs or CDs. If all else fails, try the NetInstall CD. It uses less resources and certainly should have the "text mode" option. FWIW, usually for a "typical" install from CDs, you only need the first two (or three), not the whole set. B -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Should reverse zones be mirrored?
Hello, Should reverse zones be mirrored in slave bind servers? Can a reverse zone be hosted on a different location/IP? My master bind server is outside the network; on the other side of the world. Should I host the reverse zone there? It's hard to be free... but I love to struggle. Love isn't asked for; it's just given. Respect isn't asked for; it's earned! Renich Bon Ciric http://www.woralelandia.com/ http://www.introbella.com/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: grub menu is automatically skipped
Greg Woods ucar.edu> writes: > > On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 16:59 +, JB wrote: > > > Now, to try to accommodate your idea, the obvious requirement would be to > > have a private hibernation area/file (swap file ?) for each > > OS/distro/kernel's machine state. > > Only the OS's that you care about hibernating. With just a Linux swap > partition, it is possible to hibernate Linux, boot Windows, shut down > Windows, then resume Linux. But if you present a menu selection between one Linux (hibernated) and Win, then the user, immediatelly or after finishing with Win, may decide to NOT return to last hibernated Linux, but instead select another Linux menu item, and then the bets are off. > Multiple versions of Linux can be hibernated simultaneously as well, as > long as they each have their own separate swap partition. But this is not practical - you can not foresee how many Linux/kernel menu selection items will be available (subject to potential hibernation). Having the ability to create ad hoc swap partitions would be a practical impossibility. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Upgrade with little RAM
On 08/22/2010 11:03 AM, Paul Cartwright wrote: > On Sun August 22 2010, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> Well, Fedora 13 works quite well on my old Pentium III w/ 512MB RAM. >> >> However, I am using GNOME instead of KDE, which might make a difference. >> >> Ralf > > you might want to try xfce.. even lighter, but still full-featured menus.. Why should I? Gnome works sufficiently for me even on this old machine. Ralf -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13: services marked as disabled, are shown to be running.
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 09:22 -0700, JD wrote: > On 08/23/2010 08:15 AM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > > On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 21:53 -0700, JD wrote: > >> On 08/22/2010 09:16 PM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > >>> On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 20:52 -0700, JD wrote: > There is a problem with system-config-services. > >>> JD, > >>> > >>> I would have to agree. Time to BZ s-c-s. Fortunately chkconfig and ps > >>> give you independent confirmations that the unwanted services are not > >>> actually running, no matter what s-c-s may say. > >> Which is fine, if you want to do these extra steps to get this > >> sort of confirmation. > >> But the whole purpose of this util is to tell you at a glance. > >> And it is giving contradictory info. > >> If a servce is disabled, and I have nothing that starts it, then > >> the sys config services should not say the status is running. > >> In fact, even clicking on Stop, the status remains 'running'. > >> Also, I am not sure if this bug should be filed against Fedora, > >> as it is present in other distros. > > JD, > > > > Go ahead and submit a Bugzilla report against s-c-s citing exactly what > > you are seeing, what it's not doing, etc. It's been my experience that > > the service-config-whatever scripts often get lost in the shuffle of new > > packages. When their maintainers get good descriptive Bugzilla reports, > > they can frequently push out a good fix in short order. > > > > For example, about six months ago a problem with system-config-httpd was > > fixed after lying dormant for almost two releases. IIRC that problem > > turned out to be in alchemy, used by s-c-h. It took the maintainer a > > couple of months to find and fix the problem, but he eventually got it. > > > > Good luck. > > --Doc Savage > >Fairview Heights, IL > > > OK. Sounds reasonable. > I am wondering whether or not to open the bug in > Fedora bugzilla or the more general Redhat Bugzilla? > Is there a feedback loop between fedora bugzilla and redhat bugzilla? JD, I'd submit it under F13 s-c-s and let the maintainers decide where to apply the fix. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: grub menu is automatically skipped
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 17:30 +, JB wrote: > But if you present a menu selection between one Linux (hibernated) and Win, > then > the user, immediatelly or after finishing with Win, may decide to NOT return > to > last hibernated Linux, but instead select another Linux menu item, Sorry for not being crystal clear. When I said "different versions of Linux", I should have said "different Linux distributions". I was thinking more along the lines of Ubuntu, Fedora, Gentoo, etc. installed on their own separate root partitions, not different kernel versions of the same distro. I have done things like this and had separate swap partitions for each distro and had them all hibernated at the same time. It works. I do realize that it is not practical to have a separate swap partition for every selectable kernel version, and selecting the wrong kernel could cause a hibernated image to not load and possibly be overwritten. A small risk, since I am the only "user" of my desktop system so I can reasonably count on this not happening, and even if the hibernated image is lost, the OS can still be booted up. I mainly use hibernate/suspend to save time and I know better than to leave editor sessions with critical files half-edited when hibernating, and so forth, so if a hibernated image is lost, or if the system fails to resume from suspend properly (which occasionally happens), all I lose is some time in having to log back in, fire up all my applications, etc. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Fedora Notifications System.
Hi all,, before two weeks, a discussion started in ambassadors mailing-list about a work around to deliver the important notifications to the fedora desktop (whatever the desktop is). after some discussion, we started with some guide lines & putted them on the wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_notifications_system Continuing, I created an early prototype i want people to check & gives feedbacks about it. you can reach it through gitweb: http://fedorapeople.org/gitweb?p=megenius/public_git/fns.git;a=summary or, you can grab your own clone from the git repo: git://fedorapeople.org/megenius/fns.git i would like to know, 1. whether people would like to have a GUI for it or not, 2. whether they want to be able to read the previous announcements, & 3. whether they want the checking process automatically or manually. keep in mind that last_check file should be writeable by the world, & you should change its value to an earlier date, so you can see some notifications. -- Regards,, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad @meGenius -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: grub menu is automatically skipped
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 11:36 -0500, Mikkel wrote: > On 08/23/2010 08:48 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 19:05 -0500, Mikkel wrote: > >> On 08/22/2010 04:38 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > >>> > >>> I am glad you solved you problem but I am amazed that default worked. > >>> Hibernate saves the state of the system at the time you tell it to > >>> hibernate. When you return you load back the system to the state you > >>> had before hibernation. Which means to me that if you hibernate while in > >>> Linux it should come back to Linux. And booting into Windows 7 should be > >>> impossible. Would someone who suggested the default solution explain why > >>> this works? > >> I think you are confusing suspend to RAM with hibernation. When you > >> have the system hibernating, it has actually shut down. When you > >> boot Linux again, it checks swap to see if you saved the system > >> state, and reloads it if you did. But Grub and Windows do not test > >> this, so if you chose to load Windows, Grub happily does it. But it > >> probably is not a good idea. > >> > >> You can also chose to ignore the hibernating image and do a normal > >> reboot. I don't remember what you have to pass the kernel to have it > >> skip the check... > >> > >> Mikkel > > > > I am always glad to know new things. Hibernate anws suspend have similar > > functions in that a system state is saved on a disk or in RAM. Google > > "Linux hibernate" and it seems clear that when the machine is started > > the state of the system, is restored to what it was before hibernation > > or suspension. If Grub does not check if a state was saved then > > hibernation is worthless and I have learned something. To me what you > > describe is just plain crazy. > > Grub is a general purpose boot loader. It does not know how to check > if there is an OS hibernating. I should also add that if the BIOS > supports it, and Linux know how to use it, it will resume directly > from disk without Grub ever entering the picture. > The above reminds me of an old joke. In this case Fedora developers must decide. Either get rid of the hibernate option or arrange for the Boot process to detect the record of the system state saved by hibernate. Currently hibernate is useless. Soo ir might as well not to have hibernate to confuse people. > With Windows, you normally have to set it up before you can use it. > I am not sure about Linux. I don't hibernate my systems often enough > to look into all the fancy options. > > Mikkel -- Aaron Konstam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: faster /dev/random
Bill Davidsen writes: > Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: >> Is there an approved way to increase the speed at which the random pool >> for /dev/random fills up? I'm playig with dnssec and getnerating 2k rsa >> keys is taking up to 3 hours. I've been googling a bit and Intel x86_64 >> machines seem to have random number hardware built in (perhaps also >> AMD???) Is there a way to funnel this into the entropy pool? >> > To be honest, I thought the data from the TCO random generator was funneled > in > already. That's what the "intel-rng" module does. > > Current kernel built with: > CONFIG_HW_RANDOM=y > CONFIG_HW_RANDOM_TIMERIOMEM=m > CONFIG_HW_RANDOM_INTEL=m > CONFIG_HW_RANDOM_AMD=m > CONFIG_HW_RANDOM_GEODE=m > CONFIG_HW_RANDOM_VIA=m > CONFIG_HW_RANDOM_VIRTIO=m Thanks. That gave me a few good strings to google for. > If your CPU has the hardware the module should be loaded, but you can > check with "lsmod | grep rng" to be sure, or load manually to > test. Also virtio_rng might be useful. You might have to load by hand > to test, then config to load by default if you want. It turns out my (2 year old) AMD Phenom 9350e Quad-Core doesn't seem to have that module loaded. In fact, googling for "AMD hardware random number generator" got me a few hits of folks running an ms-windows tool on similar processors and one of the flags checked was for the hardware rng, which always seemed to be "not supported". I guess the modern CPU really don't have that hardware any more. How strange (and sad!). -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht http://www.wsrcc.com/wolfgang/ (IPv6-only) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: grub menu is automatically skipped
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 17:30 +, JB wrote: > Greg Woods ucar.edu> writes: > > > > > On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 16:59 +, JB wrote: > > > > > Now, to try to accommodate your idea, the obvious requirement would be to > > > have a private hibernation area/file (swap file ?) for each > > > OS/distro/kernel's machine state. > > > > Only the OS's that you care about hibernating. With just a Linux swap > > partition, it is possible to hibernate Linux, boot Windows, shut down > > Windows, then resume Linux. > > But if you present a menu selection between one Linux (hibernated) and Win, > then > the user, immediatelly or after finishing with Win, may decide to NOT return > to > last hibernated Linux, but instead select another Linux menu item, and then > the bets are off. Somewhere the point is missed. The whole point of hibernate is to be able to return to the same operating system in the same state. If you want to switch from Linux to Windows, restart does that. > > > Multiple versions of Linux can be hibernated simultaneously as well, as > > long as they each have their own separate swap partition. > > But this is not practical - you can not foresee how many Linux/kernel menu > selection items will be available (subject to potential hibernation). Having > the ability to create ad hoc swap partitions would be a practical > impossibility. > > JB > > -- Aaron Konstam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora updates getting more like Windows every day
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Until you reboot, some updates are not installed, they're just sitting > there in a disabled state. It's the reboot process that commits the > change. It is almost what happens on Fedora with preupgrade. But for Fedora this is only used to do huge changes to the system (at the Windows 2000 -> Windows XP level). Windows does it basically every time. > Although I haven't investigated it in detail, I suspect that this is > because of a fundamental design limitation of Windows. On Unix-like > systems a file can be deleted while still in use, and any processes that > haven't closed it just keep on using it with no problem. Windows doesn't > allow this, so the update can't actually install the new files > (including new executables) until every process using them has stopped. > The easiest way to do this is to reboot. > > OTOH on Unix the updated files (and executables) are completely > installed. Any existing processes that use them will at some point have > to be restarted (see the needs-restarting app already mentioned) but > that can be done as needed. > > The more you think about it, the smarter the Unix file access model > looks. Ken Thompson is a smart guy and the use of inodes to disconnect > directory entries from the files they refer to is one of the smartest > things he ever did :-) You are perfectly right. The Unix access model never has locked files. You can always delete them (and recreate them again with different content). It is trivial on Unix to update glibc and sshd while being connected remotely through ssh. The only disadvantage is that some programs could still use old version of the files, if they were already running during the upgrade. For example, if you upgrade the libjpeg to fix a vulnerability, you are not totally sure if your browser is still using the old one. But you can discover these cases easily with a simple "lsof -n|grep deleted". -- Roberto Ragusamail at robertoragusa.it -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: faster /dev/random
Thomas Cameron writes: > What are you doing that is worth waiting a month for? Or would you have > to kill us if you told us? ;-) ;-) No, nothing too exciting. I'm just trying to secure my DNS information and since the key is very public (it is published in DNS itself) I figured I should really generate it the proper way with a strong random number generator. (I have a bunch of zones and am publishing some spare keys, so the keycount adds up quickly.) There isn't much of a downside to an attacker breaking the key, other than bragging rights and being able to spoof DNS responses. (Big deal. Someone will get the wrong IP address or hostname if the happens.) On the other hand, I've noticed the slow problom with key generation whenever I update my ssh keys or my ssl keys. If I botch the ssl key, spammers could send spam via my mail server. If I botch the ssh key attackers could log in here. -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht http://www.wsrcc.com/wolfgang/ (IPv6-only) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: faster /dev/random
"Bryn M. Reeves" writes: > If /dev/urandom doesn't provide high enough quality entropy for your > uses you could consider investing in an entropy key: > > http://www.entropykey.co.uk/ Thanks! I didn't know hardware RNG's were available this cheaply. This is a very interesting idea! -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht http://www.wsrcc.com/wolfgang/ (IPv6-only) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:37 AM, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote: > or, you can grab your own clone from the git repo: > git://fedorapeople.org/megenius/fns.git > Hey Mohmoud, Great idea, but I can't seem to clone the repo (remote hangs up).. -c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:16 AM, Chris Smart wrote: > > Hey Mohmoud, Sorry, "Mahmoud".. too early here. -c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Where is XGL for F13
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Jim wrote: > fc13- x86_64 kde > > Where is the rpm for XGL , I thought it was in xorg-server-xgl ? I'm not sure that we use it these days - most implementations use AIGLX I think.. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx#How_is_this_different_than_XGL.3F -c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Should reverse zones be mirrored?
Renich Bon Ciric writes: > Should reverse zones be mirrored in slave bind servers? Yes. Of course. They are normal DNS zones and should really have a few secondary servers as fallback. I'm surprised the registrar of note (arin?) even allows you to register the reverse zone without at least two nameservers. > Can a reverse zone be hosted on a different location/IP? yes. > My master bind server is outside the network; on the other side of the > world. Should I host the reverse zone there? yes. -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht http://www.wsrcc.com/wolfgang/ (IPv6-only) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: grub menu is automatically skipped
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 15:49 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > Somewhere the point is missed. The whole point of hibernate is to be > able to return to the same operating system in the same state. So far, so good. > If you want to switch from Linux to Windows, restart does that. Yes, but I want to switch to Windows, and *then* return to Linux in the same state. It is possible to do this, I have done it in the past and it is quite a time saver, --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: grub menu is automatically skipped
Once upon a time, Greg Woods said: > Yes, but I want to switch to Windows, and *then* return to Linux in the > same state. It is possible to do this, I have done it in the past and it > is quite a time saver, You were lucky. Hibernating one OS, running another, and then waking up the first can leave the hardware in unpredictable states (IIRC the power management modes don't define support for that). Linux tries to reset things, but it isn't supported due to the unknowns. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
yum repository synchronization time?
Hi, sometimes I'm looking for new package versions within the yum repositories because they should fix security issues. Therefore I go to http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packages and search for e.g. 'kernel' then I see there is already a new kernel build 2.6.34.4: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=190874 But it is not yet available via yum: repoquery -i kernel Name: kernel Version : 2.6.33.8 Release : 149.fc13 Architecture: x86_64 Size: 108243345 Packager: Fedora Project Group : System Environment/Kernel URL : http://www.kernel.org/ Repository : updates-testing Summary : The Linux kernel Shouldn't this package (kernel-2.6.34.4-42.fc13.x86_64.rpm) be available already? It has the tag 'dist-f13-updates-candidate', is this equivalent to the updates-testing repository? (I also have the updates-testing repo enabled.) Sometimes I download the rpm files manually but on the long run that isn't very practical either (dependencies..). kind regards, Christoph signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:37:15 +0400 Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote: > deliver the important notifications to the fedora desktop It is virtually certain that my idea of "important" and your idea of "important" and every else's idea of "important" will be radically different. The most "important" feature yet another annoying popup needs is the ability to utterly disable it. Somehow this reminds me of the message boards they have put in over I-95 in south Florida. They are also supposed to be for "important" information, but all too often whoever is in control of them puts completely irrelevant messages on them which merely serve to block traffic as everyone slows down to read them. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > Somehow this reminds me of the message boards they have > put in over I-95 in south Florida. They are also supposed > to be for "important" information, but all too often > whoever is in control of them puts completely irrelevant > messages on them which merely serve to block traffic > as everyone slows down to read them. I personally look forward to getting desktop notifications that include geolocation awareness that will periodically remind me exactly how far away I am from "South of the Border." I can think of nothing more vital than that. -jef"an adolescence scarred by roadtrips on I-95"spaleta -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Subject: GDM and XDMCP
Steve; I don't use XDMCP. In its place I installed Xrdp. This way anybody can connect and get a GUI login screen to their account. This will handle multiple uses all at the same time too. All you need is to use the Windows "Remote Desktop Client" for Windows based machines of course. For Linux you have "Terminal Service Client". If you choose to do this don't forget to start the "xrdpd" service. The RPM package installation scripts seemed to take care of everything else. If you want really secure access you can run the XDP protocol over an ssh connection using the port forwarding feature of ssh. I do this all the time using "Putty" as my Window's based ssh GUI and the Windows Remote Desktop Client. To gain remote access, from the Internet, to each machine on my home LAN each has a fixed IP address and I run the sshd service on a different port on each one. The router uses port forwarding to route the ssh traffic to the desired machine based on what ssh port I'm using for the connection. Changing the default port used for ssh is also a good way to fly under the radar from bots probing your front door looking for a way to get in using the standard ssh port too. Once connected you login as a normal user to your account and leave the terminal window open. The next step is to start the RDP client application. When the GUI login screen pops up just login like you would at the console. That's it. To logout out you just logout as normal from the desktop then logout from the terminal window you left open. If you just "quit", close, the GUI window you simply logically disconnect from the frame buffer on the remote machine. Your apps remain running. If you log back in you will just reconnect to the still running applications on the GUI desktop as if you never left. If you're on a LAN you can skip the ssh part. I have a multi-user Fedora-11 system setup this way where I work so a group of people can run some custom written engineering software. Works great. 73's Leland C. Scott KC8LDO -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On 08/23/2010 02:37 PM, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote: > before two weeks, a discussion started in ambassadors mailing-list about > a work around to deliver the important notifications to the fedora > desktop (whatever the desktop is). What a horrible idea. Please PLEASE don't make it the default, and certainly make sure I can yum remove it (because I *will* remove it). I get enough spam already, I don't need yet another well-known way for spammers to hack into my system and put ads in front of my face. I also don't need yet another Surprise! distraction popping up on my desktop. Besides, we already have a way to do this - it's called e-mail. Or twitter. Or usenet. Or facebook. Or the web. Or IRC. Let people choose whether to get notices or not, and how, don't force it down their throats the way some big companies do. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Thinkpad A22p/Improper Video on Install
Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 21:07 -0700, James McKenzie wrote: > >> Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: >> >>> James, >>> >>> My A22p has the same problem. I have had to use the basic (VESA) video >>> driver whenever installing Fedora. A couple of weeks ago I finally found >>> the 'gtf' utility which computed the required modeline. I wrote a custom >>> xorg.conf file for Fedora 13. If Fedora 8 uses xorg (I don't remember), >>> it should work for you. >>> >>> >> Re-installed and now my video is still 'messed' up. Where can I find >> the gtf utility? >> > > James, > > It's /usr/bin/gtf. If not installed, 'yum install xorg-x11-server-Xorg'. > > Thank you. Now I'll have to find the package... James McKenzie -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Should reverse zones be mirrored?
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht >> Can a reverse zone be hosted on a different location/IP? > > yes. > >> My master bind server is outside the network; on the other side of the >> world. Should I host the reverse zone there? > > yes. Care to post any examples? ;) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Seahorse problem (is it really Seahorse?)
This is my first post on a F discussion group, my apologies if I do something wrong. According to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tools/NetworkManager there is supposed to be a right-click for Passwords:login on the Passwords tab. But when I start that GUI, there is none, only a grayed out Passwords text on that tab. All I want to do is set up a keyring that doesn't bother me all the time with p/w entries, or alternatively, turn off keyringing altogether, because nobody else has access to this server. Whenever I try to set up a p/w for remote desktop, I get a new dialog popping up that asks for a p/w for the Default keyring. It comes up for every letter I try to enter or remove in the text field for the remote desktop p/w. This is F13 on a dual AMD Opteron 64 blade server. This problem did not occur before (since F8 at least). Several issues I have with this: - All I want to do is set up a keyring. I shouldn't have to install something like seahorse for that, and then see that it doesn't work as advertised. - All I REALLY want to do is set up a p/w for remote desktop sharing. I could do without a keyring in the first place, but I can't enter a remote desktop p/w without responding to some keyring dialog box first that keeps popping up and bothering me for every keystroke I try to make. - I think this is a poor design. No matter what people tell me about safety and security, the user should not be bothered with dialog boxes on a character-by-character basis. - also a poor design: a very likely consequence is that the user simply doesn't require a p/w for desktop sharing, simply because keyring issues that shouldn't be there in the first place keep bothering him/her, totally contrary to what should be done (it's really not necessary, because if you use vncviewer with the -via option on an ssh-encrypted connection, you are still required to enter your user p/w). But still, a desktop viewer p/w is an additional safety level beyond the user p/w level. Something simple as setting up desktop sharing shouldn't require me to set up keyrings. Setting up remote desktop sharing should work without keyrings. And when setting up keyrings, that should be simple and straight-forward as well, and GUIs should look like described in the documentation (maybe it should be phrased the other way around: documentation should accurately describe behavior). Thanks -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
General desktop questions
Hi, I have few questions about how to accomplish some things on the desktop, and hoped someone could help. - How can I change the highlighting of text using the mouse in a Terminal to automatically copy without having to right-click then Copy, and paste automatically by clicking the right-mouse button, similar to how putty works? - How can I attach a file to an email in Thunderbird that is on a samba share? I've mounted the share in the file browser, then dragged it over to the email, but Thunderbird responds with a permission denied type of error, like the file either isn't accessible in Thunderbird, or is only shared from within the File Browser. I've also tried going through Thunderbird, but there doesn't appear to be a way to connect to a network share, only the local disk. - How can I create the ability for a normal user from within GNOME to either be prompted once for the root password for administrative tasks, or be able to start X11 as a normal user, yet have the ability to perform root administrative functions like mount devices or create new printer shares? Thanks, Alex -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On 08/23/2010 06:37 PM, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote: > Hi all,, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines#No_HTML_Mail.2C_Please -- peace out. tc,hago. g . signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: grub menu is automatically skipped
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 17:51 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > You were lucky. Hibernating one OS, running another, and then waking > up the first can leave the hardware in unpredictable states (IIRC the > power management modes don't define support for that). Linux tries to > reset things, but it isn't supported due to the unknowns. Not really. When you hibernate, the final action is a power off. The hardware is hard reset. When you resume, it's from a cold start, the hardware is in a reset state, and the resume process should do a full reset before actually resuming, to enforce the hardware being in a known state. Though, in essence, the resuming will load up a state into the hardware. Switching from one OS to the next, with a hibernate in between, will necessitate a reboot, anyway, as that's going to be the only way that you'll get a boot choice menu. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On 08/24/2010 12:47 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > Besides, we already have a way to do this - it's called e-mail. > Or twitter. Or usenet. Or facebook. Or the web. Or IRC. Let people > choose whether to get notices or not, and how, don't force it down their > throats the way some big companies do. +1 -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Upgrade with little RAM
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 10:13 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > FWIW, usually for a "typical" install from CDs, you only need the > first two (or three), not the whole set. I used to find that was promised (as in, if you picked the minimal install option), but then you'd need one file from one, or more, of the other discs, as well... -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: yum repository synchronization time?
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 01:47 +0200, Christoph A. wrote: > repoquery -i kernel > > Name: kernel > Version : 2.6.33.8 > Release : 149.fc13 > Architecture: x86_64 > Size: 108243345 > Packager: Fedora Project > Group : System Environment/Kernel > URL : http://www.kernel.org/ > Repository : updates-testing > Summary : The Linux kernel > > > Shouldn't this package (kernel-2.6.34.4-42.fc13.x86_64.rpm) be > available already? It is. It's in the updates-testing repo, like it tells you above. > > It has the tag 'dist-f13-updates-candidate', is this equivalent to the > updates-testing repository? It seems logical to find an update candidate in the testing repo. I can't imagine where else you might find one, other than some holding area just prior to putting it in a repo. > (I also have the updates-testing repo enabled.) Of course, else you wouldn't have got the above info from a repo query command. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Installing DD-WRT -
On 08/22/2010 06:42 AM, Tim wrote: > Tim: >>> All your wireless devices transmit on the same channel. > > g: >> yes and no. depends on manual assignment. > > Well, generally speaking, your access point only works on one channel, live and learn, die and forget, i look forward to dieing to see if i forget. i love electronics. there is always something new to learn. please excuse my delay in reply. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthogonal_frequency-division_multiplexing got me started, now i am looking for more thorough knowledge to read. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Can't build Gnash 0.8.8
Gnash 0.8.8 apparently now works 100% with Youtube. Considering that there is no 64 bit flash from Adobe anymore, I tried building gnash from source http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/gnash/0.8.8 on F11 64bit but the mozilla plugin does not build. ./configure is not finding /usr/include/gstreamer-0.10/gst/pbutils/install-plugins.h I have both gstreamer-devel-0.10.25-1.fc11.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-base-devel-0.10.25-3.fc11.x86_64 already installed so the header file exists. Can someone try building it and share success or failure. Maybe I am missing something. Thanks I have posted a bug here https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?30858 PS (I have also tried it on F12 32bit with same problem) -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: General desktop questions
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 21:47 -0400, Alex wrote: > - How can I change the highlighting of text using the mouse in a > Terminal to automatically copy without having to right-click then > Copy, and paste automatically by clicking the right-mouse button, > similar to how putty works? Almost all X applications handle fast-paste, a simple yet gloriously useful feature: (1) Select the text using the primary (usually left) mouse button. This makes it the "primary selection" (which is separate from the clipboard). (2) Paste the primary selection by pressing the middle mouse button at the destination. If you have a scroll-wheel mouse, press the scroll wheel in; if you have a 2-button mouse, press both buttons at the same time (may not be configured for all hardware). Note that this is not limited to pasting in text -- for example, most browsers accept fast-paste of URLs anywhere on the page that's not a link or input field, in which case they will open the URL. > - How can I create the ability for a normal user from within GNOME to > either be prompted once for the root password for administrative > tasks, or be able to start X11 as a normal user, yet have the ability > to perform root administrative functions like mount devices or create > new printer shares? You don't want a normal user to be able to do 'root administrative functions' -- that road leads to grief and malware. However, see 'man pam_timestamp' for information on adjusting the administrative authentication timeout. -Chris -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: General desktop questions
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Alex wrote: > > - How can I change the highlighting of text using the mouse in a > Terminal to automatically copy without having to right-click then > Copy, and paste automatically by clicking the right-mouse button, > similar to how putty works? This is automatic - just highlight and click *middle* mouse button (or left and right together). It frustrates me when I have to use Putty 'cause it's all wrong! :-) Keep in mind that if you re-highlight something, it will overwrite what you had highlighted previously. If you use Firefox, add the "Xclear" extension which is super helpful in this regard. > > - How can I attach a file to an email in Thunderbird that is on a > samba share? I've mounted the share in the file browser, then dragged > it over to the email, but Thunderbird responds with a permission > denied type of error, like the file either isn't accessible in > Thunderbird, or is only shared from within the File Browser. I've also > tried going through Thunderbird, but there doesn't appear to be a way > to connect to a network share, only the local disk. The file browser (Nautilus presumably) is using some fancy virtual mounting (GVFS) to make your shares available. Thunderbird probably doesn't use this, but GNOME's email client, Evolution, will probably work the way you want it to. For something to work in Thunderbird you'll probably need to mount the remote share the old fashioned way. It'll be something like the following (from memory, so might be wrong): su - mkdir /mnt/samba mount -t cifs -o username=blah,password=blah //[server-ip]/[share-name] /mnt/samba Obviously, replace "blah" with the username and password for authenticating to the remove server, and replace [server-ip] with the real IP/resolvable name, like "samba-server" and [share-name] with the real name of the share (possibly case sensitive), like "data". If that works, you should be able to access the contents of the share from the mountpoint you created, /mnt/samba. Therefore, point Thunderbird to that directory and add your file. If you want it permanently you'll add it to /etc/fstab (Google details). > > - How can I create the ability for a normal user from within GNOME to > either be prompted once for the root password for administrative > tasks, or be able to start X11 as a normal user, yet have the ability > to perform root administrative functions like mount devices or create > new printer shares? Do you mean, let the user mount devices, create shares, etc without needing root's password? If so, I think this is controlled by PolicyKit these days. I don't think there is a nice GUI front end for configuring all that, but you could create your own file to override the existing settings. Maybe putting something like this in /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/10-override-install.pkla would work: [Let me do stuff] Identity=unix-user:[user];unix-group:[group] Action=org.freedesktop.packagekit.package-install ResultAny=auth_self ResultInactive=auth_self ResultActive=auth_self That will prompt the specified user or member of the specified group to provide *their* password for authentication, else you need root's password. Or, if you don't want them to authenticate at all and have it just work, then replace "auth_self" with "yes". If you want it for other tasks, you need to get the key file name (you can usually see these under "details" when you're prompted for root's password for authentication. When you have them, just add them to the "Action" entry separated a comma. See this: http://skvidal.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/polkit-and-package-kit-and-changing-settings/ -c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: General desktop questions
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Chris Smart wrote: > > If you want it for other tasks, you need to get the key file name (you > can usually see these under "details" when you're prompted for root's > password for authentication. When you have them, just add them to the > "Action" entry separated a comma. Not comma, semi-colon, i.e. Action=org.freedesktop.packagekit.package-install;org.fedoraproject.config.firewall.auth Also, you can get a list of all keys using pkaction, but you might not know which ones apply to what (hence check when you're prompted to authenticate). -c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Thinkpad A22p/Improper Video on Install
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 18:05 -0700, James McKenzie wrote: > Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > > On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 21:07 -0700, James McKenzie wrote: > > > >> Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > >> > >>> James, > >>> > >>> My A22p has the same problem. I have had to use the basic (VESA) video > >>> driver whenever installing Fedora. A couple of weeks ago I finally found > >>> the 'gtf' utility which computed the required modeline. I wrote a custom > >>> xorg.conf file for Fedora 13. If Fedora 8 uses xorg (I don't remember), > >>> it should work for you. > >>> > >>> > >> Re-installed and now my video is still 'messed' up. Where can I find > >> the gtf utility? > >> > > > > James, > > > > It's /usr/bin/gtf. If not installed, 'yum install xorg-x11-server-Xorg'. > > > > > Thank you. Now I'll have to find the package... James, No, you don't. If you have /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo, yum will find & fetch it for you. --Doc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Unpatched major kernel
eldavojohn writes "On June 17th, the X.org team was notified by Invisible Things Lab of a critical security flaw (PDF) that affected both x86_32 and x86_64 platforms. The flaw deals with escalated privileges of a user process that has access to the X server. The founder of ITL said of the flaw, 'The attack allows a (unpriviliged) user process that has access to the X server (so, any GUI application) to unconditionally escalate to root (but again, it doesn't take advantage of any bug in the X server!). In other words: any GUI application (think e.g. sandboxed PDF viewer), if compromised (e.g. via malicious PDF document) can bypass all the Linux fancy security mechanisms, and escalate to root, and compromise the whole system.' This has apparently been a security flaw since kernel 2.6 was released. From the article, 'On 13 August, Linus Torvalds committed an initial fix, but several patches were added afterward for various reasons. The problem has been addressed in versions 2.6.27.52, 2.6.32.19, 2.6.34.4 and 2.6.35.2 of the kernel.'" http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/08/18/1534258/Linux-Xorg-Critical-Security-Flaw-Silently-Patched == August 13 is 10 days ago. Kernel.org now says the latest stable version is: stable: 2.6.32.20 2010-08-20 http://www.all.kernel.org/ It was out 3 days ago. Any reason Fedora is not updating the kernel on what looks like a major flaw. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unpatched major kernel
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:54:05 -0400 Marcel Rieux wrote: ...snip... > August 13 is 10 days ago. Kernel.org now says the latest stable > version is: > > stable: 2.6.32.20 2010-08-20 > > http://www.all.kernel.org/ > > It was out 3 days ago. > > Any reason Fedora is not updating the kernel on what looks like a > major flaw. It is. It was pushed out eariler today. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/kernel-2.6.32.19-163.fc12 and https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/kernel-2.6.33.8-149.fc13 kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: yum repository synchronization time?
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 11:32:34 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 01:47 +0200, Christoph A. wrote: > > repoquery -i kernel > > > > Name: kernel > > Version : 2.6.33.8 > > Release : 149.fc13 > > Architecture: x86_64 > > Size: 108243345 > > Packager: Fedora Project > > Group : System Environment/Kernel > > URL : http://www.kernel.org/ > > Repository : updates-testing > > Summary : The Linux kernel > > > > > > Shouldn't this package (kernel-2.6.34.4-42.fc13.x86_64.rpm) be > > available already? > > It is. It's in the updates-testing repo, like it tells you above. No. Christoph refers to a build found in koji and compared that with what is available in updates-testing. The newer build is not. > > It has the tag 'dist-f13-updates-candidate', is this equivalent to the > > updates-testing repository? > > It seems logical to find an update candidate in the testing repo. No, that's false information. A package in koji which is tagged as "dist-*-updates-candidate" is available for packagers to be published as updates requests in bodhi (the Fedora Updates System). When pushed into a repo, it will either be tagged with "dist-*-updates-testing" or "dist-*-updates". Candidates are only available in koji (and not even in the koji buildroot repos, depending on what dist is built for). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13: services marked as disabled, are shown to be running.
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 09:22:34 -0700, JD wrote: > I am wondering whether or not to open the bug in > Fedora bugzilla or the more general Redhat Bugzilla? What do you mean? Both use http://bugzilla.redhat.com You could jump in at http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/system-config-services out of convenience, though. > Is there a feedback loop between fedora bugzilla and redhat bugzilla? ? Obsolete question I guess, given what I replied above. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
libX11.so.6 Not found
Hello, i try to make && make install package, but i see error: libX11.so.6 not found. Where can i get this lib? Thank you -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: libX11.so.6 Not found
On 08/24/2010 02:04 AM, Alexander Kuleshov wrote: > Hello, > > i try to make && make install package, but i see error: libX11.so.6 > not found. Where can i get this lib? What does "yum whatprovides libX11.so.6" tell you? > Thank you -- Kevin J. Cummings kjch...@rcn.com cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net cummi...@kjc386.framingham.ma.us Registered Linux User #1232 (http://counter.li.org) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: libX11.so.6 Not found
yes, thank you for reply, now i know what i must install -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: grub menu is automatically skipped
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:42:38 -0500, Aaron wrote: > Either get rid of the hibernate option or arrange for the Boot > process to detect the record of the system state saved by hibernate. > > Currently hibernate is useless. What is useless about it? Have you ever used it before? > Soo ir might as well not to have > hibernate to confuse people. Where is the confusion? Linux and Windows don't share their swap partition with eachother, so a Suspend-To-Disk option in addition to Suspend-To-RAM is useful. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On Tuesday August 24 2010 03:47:47 DJ Delorie wrote: > On 08/23/2010 02:37 PM, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote: > > before two weeks, a discussion started in ambassadors mailing-list about > > a work around to deliver the important notifications to the fedora > > desktop (whatever the desktop is). > > What a horrible idea. Please PLEASE don't make it the default, and > certainly make sure I can yum remove it (because I *will* remove it). > > I get enough spam already, I don't need yet another well-known way > for spammers to hack into my system and put ads in front of my face. > I also don't need yet another Surprise! distraction popping up on my > desktop. > > Besides, we already have a way to do this - it's called e-mail. > Or twitter. Or usenet. Or facebook. Or the web. Or IRC. Let people > choose whether to get notices or not, and how, don't force it down their > throats the way some big companies do. Totally agree, [Quote] The Reason A large number of Fedora users don't read the Fedora wiki & websites, thus, they miss important news, tips & notifications. [/Quote] Perhaps the solution should be encouragement or even a guided sign up to a mailing list during first log-in. [Quote] A simple application that reads a multilanguage web feed & post a new notification to the system using a D-Bus notifications system. [/Quote] now I am not an expert about D-Bus notifications system, but as far as I know this notifications last for short duration, and there is no way to read the history (sort of speak) so E-Mail sounds much better. or perhaps a desktop widget that you can remove if you don't like... I hope those are constructive comments, I have no other intentions. Keep up the good work and effort. Thanks, YB. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On 08/24/2010 07:15 AM, Dj YB wrote: > > now I am not an expert about D-Bus notifications system, but as far as I know > this notifications last for short duration, and there is no way to read the > history (sort of speak) > so E-Mail sounds much better. > or perhaps a desktop widget that you can remove if you don't like... > > I hope those are constructive comments, I have no other intentions. > Keep up the good work and effort. > IMHO is better to use RSS/Atom feeds for those who can't subscribe to mailing list. -- Athmane Madjoudj -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
gnome samba mount issue
Hi all, Sorry if this issue has been covered before, I'm new to this list I have a problem when i try to copy a file to a mounted smb share. If I use Nautilus to mount the share "Connect to server" I get a "invalid argument" error when I copy the file. It seems that some of the file actually copies to the server because it creates the file and if its a image you can open it but it only shows half the image. If I mount the share using the mount command from the shell. all is fine no problems at all. I'm not sure if this can be a gvfs bug Thanks Eugene Jansen van Rensburg eMail: eugene...@gmail.com "Quit is NOT an option" -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
