Re: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Several companies HAVE their own app stores.  Samsung is one that comes to
mind.  http://joyofandroid.com/android-app-store-alternatives/

~Roger


On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> If Apple and Google allowed player apps that play external code, companies
> could essentially set up their own app stores, bypassing google play and
> iTunes.
> I cannot imagine either company would appreciate that.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 11, 2017, at 9:52 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> > Thanks for weighing in. I would like to read into those licenses that I
> > could update my core LCS, but I know in my soul that if I do that it's
> just
> > a shoe waiting to drop that could affect not only my license but the
> entire
> > LC community. I also feel that when I create an extra button(with stub
> code)
> > because a "data" update offers more options that I am staying within the
> > guidelines and the spirit of the App/Play store rules. I see this as
> simple
> > decision. I call it the "Johnny, did you eat a cookie?" scenario. Johnny
> > says "no" because he did not eat "A" cookie but ate 3 cookies. I am not
> a 2
> > year old and know what these rules were intended to prevent.
> >
> > By the way, I was once rejected because my data update "answer" dialog
> was
> > worded as "An app update is available". I explained that it was a data
> > update and not code and changed the verbiage of the dialog. I then passed
> > the review. Moral: The review team can look VERY close at any app during
> > review.
> >
> > As it was said in Goodfellows... At least, that's how I feel.
> >
> > Ralph DiMola
> > IT Director
> > Evergreen Information Services
> > rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
> > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 7:24 AM
> > To: How to use LiveCode
> > Cc: Mark Waddingham
> > Subject: Re: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation
> >
> >> On 2017-08-11 12:20, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote:
> >> I know the reviewers at app stores are not always careful, but
> >> something like an LC player would surely get their notice.
> >
> > Review, from my understanding, is heavily automated (it has to be - if
> you
> > think of the scale of the App Stores these days). However, there is
> always a
> > means to get in contact with a human about specific issues (which can
> take a
> > while to get escalated with someone who can actually do something - but
> at
> > least it is possible).
> >
> >> They do allow us to import JS, but JS is way more sandboxed than LC.
> >
> > Yes - this is true - however, as I noticed this morning Apple no longer
> have
> > their advisory about allowing arbitrary JS to be downloaded and run
> within a
> > WebView. This is simply because you can could build a host app which
> gives
> > access to every single OS API on iOS and make all of them callable from
> JS
> > (even if the JS bundled with the app does not use any of it).
> >
> > So, the point is the language is not the point - what the code running in
> > the language does is important.
> >
> > Like Google, Apple are wanting to know precisely what OS APIs your app is
> > calling at the point of review - so they have some idea of the surface
> area
> > of attack for any malicious intent. How much analysis they currently do,
> > no-one really knows - however the guidelines means that (in principal)
> they
> > have reasons to pull any apps very quickly if they find that they are
> doing
> > something which is 'not allowed'.
> >
> > Warmest Regards,
> >
> > Mark.
> >
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> > LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
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Re: Update: Crash with mobilePickPhoto and Android

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Also, you shouldn't have to use a workaround just because it is Android.
The mobile syntax should work the same for either OS.

~Roger


On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 12:32 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> This needs a bug report. Crashes are high priority fixes.
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>
>
>
>
> On August 11, 2017 10:17:35 AM Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> For those who may be interested, here’s a fun one…
>>
>> If acceleratedRendering is enabled, mobilePickPhoto will crash the app on
>> Android.  Here’s your workaround:
>>
>>   set the acceleratedRendering of stack "main" to false
>>   mobilePickPhoto "camera"
>>   set the acceleratedRendering of stack "main" to true
>>
>> Perhaps LC will fix this or add this limitation to the documentation.
>>
>> -Dan
>>
>>
>> Hello!   Having some trouble with mobilePickPhoto on an Android device.
 I call mobilePickPhoto "library"
 (or mobilePickPhoto "camera") and I can choose the photo or take the
 picture, but as soon as I accept the
 image (when LC should have control again) the app crashes with the
 prompt “[appName] has stopped”.
 LC 8.1.5, Moto g5 Plus running Android 7.0.   Any thoughts?

 Any assistance would be GREATLY appreciated!

 -Dan

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Re: [OT] Draconian computer company policies, was: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 2017-08-11 19:22, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> So, I wonder why there is not a way of putting one's iPad app onot the
>> web in a way (and I don't mean via Cydia)
>> that will allow people to download it onto their tablets
>> independently, as one can do on an Android device?
>>
>
> There is - you build your app signed with your provisioning profile. You
> upload it. Someone else downloads it, and resigns it with there's.
>
> I'm sure there must be a utility out there which makes this 'easy' - it
> certainly seems simple enough to me - okay so not a nice 'store' type
> interface on your phone; you need to attach it to a computer. However, that
> is just a small wall to step over.
>
> Of course, it is contigent on having a Apple developer account but I'm
> pretty sure these days you don't need to pay the $99 unless you want to
> submit an app
>

Um, and a Mac.  Some iOS device owners have PCs, and therefore no access to
Xcode.


>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>
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> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



~Roger
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Re: [OT] Draconian computer company policies, was: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

You too, Richmond!   I agree with you that it's more about Apple greed than
making a safe, malware-free environment.  Stay safe from the Kool-ade.  :)

Kind regards,
~Roger



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On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Wow, Roger!
>
> You have "out devil's advocated me".
>
> Hope you have a great weekend.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
> On 8/11/17 8:38 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 2017-08-11 19:22, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
>>>
>>> So, I wonder why there is not a way of putting one's iPad app onot the
>>>> web in a way (and I don't mean via Cydia)
>>>> that will allow people to download it onto their tablets
>>>> independently, as one can do on an Android device?
>>>>
>>>> There is - you build your app signed with your provisioning profile. You
>>> upload it. Someone else downloads it, and resigns it with there's.
>>>
>>> I'm sure there must be a utility out there which makes this 'easy' - it
>>> certainly seems simple enough to me - okay so not a nice 'store' type
>>> interface on your phone; you need to attach it to a computer. However,
>>> that
>>> is just a small wall to step over.
>>>
>>> Of course, it is contigent on having a Apple developer account but I'm
>>> pretty sure these days you don't need to pay the $99 unless you want to
>>> submit an app
>>>
>>> Um, and a Mac.  Some iOS device owners have PCs, and therefore no access
>> to
>> Xcode.
>>
>>
>> Warmest Regards,
>>>
>>> Mark.
>>>
>>> --
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>>> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
>>>
>>
>>
>> ~Roger
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Re: [OT] Draconian computer company policies, was: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

I recently heard that Apple is planning a revolutionary smartwatch which
has calling functions built-in.  Seriously, no need to carry a phone!

Now Google it and see how many of these have existed for several years.
Revolutionary idea stealin' bunch!  lol

~Roger

On Aug 11, 2017 4:44 PM, "J. Landman Gay via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

On 8/11/17 10:51 AM, Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode wrote:

> I'd be tempted to switch to an android (I actually had the original
> gphone), but the privacy, hacks, and whathaveyou stop me.
>

At the risk of starting a platform war...



I love my Mac but I don't like iOS. It's too dumbed down to be useful.
Android has many advantages over iOS, the main one being that it has an
accessible file system like the Mac Finder (which I see iOS is about to
implement finally.) Not to mention launcher widgets, which I can't live
without, dozens of different launcher app options, and the ability to
customize almost anything the phone can do. It has menus and tooltips so
you don't have to memorize obscure gestures. Android Assistant is more
intelligent than Siri. Google provides unlimited photo storage without data
caps and uses intelligent algorithms to find photos without the need for
content tagging.

There are multiple apps for any purpose so you aren't required to use a
single authorized browser, email client, or anything else. I have three
browsers on my phone and four keyboards for different purposes. I had to
laugh when Apple finally allowed third-party keyboards. It's a start. (Try
SwiftKey, its prediction algorithms are the smartest anywhere and it is now
available for iOS.)

While Android malware is somewhat more prevalent than iOS, the actual risks
are exaggerated. Google has taken aggressive steps to reduce occurances,
which is only a tiny fraction of one percent anyway. There are nine layers
of security checks for every app you install. If you stick to the
authorized app stores you won't have trouble since almost all malware comes
from third-party downloads. Android also scans your apps in the background
even if you didn't download from their store, and recently added a manual
scan so you can check on demand. I've had 8 Android devices over the years
and never had any malware.

Privacy: Google gives you more control than Apple. You can delete all or
part of the data it stores at any time. You can control what it collects.
The trade-off, in my view, is worth the data collection. (One advantage of
multiple browsers is when I don't want Google to track my searches I just
don't use Chrome.) Android Now is close to psychic, volunteering
information I want without my asking. I walked out of a theater one night
and Android offered a map showing me where I'd parked. I didn't have to
ask, it was just there. You can turn off these things but I find them
useful. If you don't want Google to know where you are, turn off location
services.

I see Google as the pioneer that Apple used to be, and in fact, Apple has
started adopting popular Android features and claiming them as their own
(Windows 1.0 anyone?) Most of the upcoming iOS 11 features Apple is
bragging about incorporate Android features, most of which have been around
for years:

Notification system, document scanning, Finder-like file system, drag and
drop files to local storage or cloud services, language translations,
System UI Tuner ("customizable control center",) advanced camera control
apps, Android Beam ("AirDrop"), app drawer, customizable Do Not Disturb,
peer-to-peer Android Pay/Wallet ("Apple Pay",) Swapps ("persistent Dock".)
Apple says Siri now learns from you and syncs across devices. Android has
always done that.

Etc.




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Re: Sending a message to users that floats above everything

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Does the browser -need- to be visible during the message?  If not, hide it
first.  If so, display a temp screenshot of it during your message.

~Roger

On Aug 20, 2017 9:53 PM, "Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

What is the best way to send a message to users that floats above
everything else, including browser widgets?

I have been using "answer", "ask", and the mobile picker because they
appear on top. However, these system dialogs are not always pretty,
especially on Android. Is there another option? I tried using a browser
widget, but that does not always layer on top of another browser widget,
even if the layer in the widget is a higher number.

Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Sending a message to users that floats above everything

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> the Android world creeps me out. And those phones always seem to break.
>
> sqb
>
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>
LOL!  I love the customizability of Android, so I have made mine so
"different" that any iOS L-user will be immediately creeped out and will
leave my phone the heck alone.  :)

This theme

COMPLETELY changes how the OS is used, yet it really is still fully
functional.  I LOVE Android (and Star Trek)!!!

~Roger
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Re: Sending a message to users that floats above everything

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 3:14 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 8/24/17 12:22 AM, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> My point was that unfortunately that only means ~15% of currently active
>> Android devices are fairly safe and Bob’s comment, while brief, was fair as
>> far as it was concerned. Once Android hits iOS’s ~85% active devices on
>> latest version of the os, then it wouldn’t be. I just don’t think that will
>> happen anytime soon because of the way the OS is rolled out through 3rd
>> parties for the most part.
>>
>
> Actually, I was trying to make the opposite point -- Google Play Services
> is now on (at least) 93% of all Android devices. It runs on any Android
> regardless of manufacturer or customized OS, provided the device is
> authorized to access the Google Play Store. It's had over 5 billion
> downloads and is, among other things, the security layer.
>
> https://www.androidcentral.com/genius-google-play-services
>
> It isn't only the "Google-made" phones that are protected, it's almost all
> of them now.
>
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>

This is very true.  My old China made tablet running Android 4.1.1 (no os
update has ever been available for it), continues to update Google Play
Services regularly.  I have never experienced any malware attacks, and the
device continues to serve me well in compatibility-testing of apps created
in LiveCode.

~Roger
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Re: Sending a message to users that floats above everything

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 7:18 AM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I hate to hide the map just for something like adjusting the range at
> which one can see markers.
>
> That said, yours is probably the best currently available solution. It
> would be easy to hide and show the current group as needed.
>
> Sent from my iPhone


As J. demonstrated in LC Global, you can dim the background stuff before
displaying a dialog.  Yours is slightly different because of the map in the
browser, so what if you had a "generic map" image that is super minecraft
pixelated to display in its place?  Just hide the group that contains the
browser, and reveal the generic pixelated image beneath it.

~Roger
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Re: Sending a message to users that floats above everything

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On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 9:01 AM, hh via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> > Jonathan wrote:
> > I hate to hide the map just for something like adjusting the range at
> which one can see markers.
>
> You could make a snapshot of the map, gray it out and use the image as
> background (everything else hidden).
>
>
Grape minds...
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Re: Sending a message to users that floats above everything

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

And we all know that iOS malware is the very best that money can buy!  ;-)


On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> If the malware is good enough, you won't know. ;-)
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Aug 24, 2017, at 05:55 , Roger Eller via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have never experienced any malware attacks, and the
> > device continues to serve me well in compatibility-testing of apps
> created
> > in LiveCode.
> >
> > ~Roger
>
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Re: Does exporting a snapshot from a rect work on mobile?

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

This appears to be an old problem (2012).  I don't know if there was ever a
solution.  A best practice was to position any input fields in the top
third of the screen.  I agree with the consensus that it should be handled
automatically, but it is not, obviously.

https://www.mail-archive.com/use-livecode@lists.runrev.com/msg29602.html

~Roger


On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Jacqueline,
>
> Sadly, that did not help. It received the KeyboardActivated message, and I
> had it check the effective working screenrect both at that point and again
> in a handler set to trigger a second later. They all return results as if
> the keyboard is not there.
>
> This is on a galaxy tab E, with the OS from 2015, so it might just be that
> this tablet is not very good. However, I need the app to work on most
> android devices.
>
> When I get a more powerful machine, I might test a few of these things
> again. I can make it do different things depending whether a particular OS
> resource is available.
>
> Thanks!
>
> J
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 31, 2017, at 10:11 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > What happens if you check the effective working screenrect in a
> keyboardActivated handler?
> >
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> >
> >
> >> On August 31, 2017 8:04:45 PM Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Actually, never mind, that cannot be it.
> >>
> >> I tried the follow script:
> >>
> >> on mouseUp
> >>
> >> create field "test height"
> >>
> >> select after field "test height"
> >>
> >> send getEWSR to me in 1 second
> >>
> >> end mouseUp
> >>
> >> on getEWSR
> >>
> >> answer the effective working screenrect
> >>
> >> delete field "test height"
> >>
> >> end getEWSR
> >>
> >>
> >> it still returns the same screenrect that I get without using "effect
> >> working", which is the screenrect of the device.
> >>
> >>
> >> Any other ideas?
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:51 PM,  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> A question for Mark Waddingham...
> >>>
> >>> Mark, in my app, in the place in question, the keyboard is activated
> by a
> >>> browser widget. Is it possible that this means it is not sending a
> signal
> >>> to LC to update the value of the effective working screen rect?
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> > On Aug 31, 2017, at 8:27 PM, jonathandly...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Yes - it makes me want to share whatever I can.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Sent from my iPhone
> >>> >
> >>> >>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On 08/31/2017 07:33 AM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote:
> >>> >>> Just a random comment - having the CTO of LC directly answer our
> >>> questions is an incredible benefit to LC developers.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I also want to give a shout out to the supportive community here.
> This
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> part
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Re: Does exporting a snapshot from a rect work on mobile?

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

That's awesome!  Thank you.


On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 7:24 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> @Roger according to BZ, this appears to be fixed:
>
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10410
>
> @Jonathan if this is not the case, could you file a bug report so as we
> keep track of this issue?
>
> Best,
> Panos
> --
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Roger Eller via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > This appears to be an old problem (2012).  I don't know if there was
> ever a
> > solution.  A best practice was to position any input fields in the top
> > third of the screen.  I agree with the consensus that it should be
> handled
> > automatically, but it is not, obviously.
> >
> > https://www.mail-archive.com/use-livecode@lists.runrev.com/msg29602.html
> >
> > ~Roger
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Jacqueline,
> > >
> > > Sadly, that did not help. It received the KeyboardActivated message,
> and
> > I
> > > had it check the effective working screenrect both at that point and
> > again
> > > in a handler set to trigger a second later. They all return results as
> if
> > > the keyboard is not there.
> > >
> > > This is on a galaxy tab E, with the OS from 2015, so it might just be
> > that
> > > this tablet is not very good. However, I need the app to work on most
> > > android devices.
> > >
> > > When I get a more powerful machine, I might test a few of these things
> > > again. I can make it do different things depending whether a particular
> > OS
> > > resource is available.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > J
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Aug 31, 2017, at 10:11 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What happens if you check the effective working screenrect in a
> > > keyboardActivated handler?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> > > > HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> On August 31, 2017 8:04:45 PM Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Actually, never mind, that cannot be it.
> > > >>
> > > >> I tried the follow script:
> > > >>
> > > >> on mouseUp
> > > >>
> > > >> create field "test height"
> > > >>
> > > >> select after field "test height"
> > > >>
> > > >> send getEWSR to me in 1 second
> > > >>
> > > >> end mouseUp
> > > >>
> > > >> on getEWSR
> > > >>
> > > >> answer the effective working screenrect
> > > >>
> > > >> delete field "test height"
> > > >>
> > > >> end getEWSR
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> it still returns the same screenrect that I get without using
> "effect
> > > >> working", which is the screenrect of the device.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Any other ideas?
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:51 PM,  wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> A question for Mark Waddingham...
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Mark, in my app, in the place in question, the keyboard is
> activated
> > > by a
> > > >>> browser widget. Is it possible that this means it is not sending a
> > > signal
> > > >>> to LC to update the value of the effective working screen rect?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > On Aug 31, 2017, at 8:27 PM, jonathandly...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Yes - it makes me want to share whatever I can.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >>&g

Re: Does exporting a snapshot from a rect work on mobile?

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Well, since the bug report indicates that keyboardActivated/keyboardDeactivated
messages were added to Android, if they are not working please report it.
If you want to just use a general rule for a 'safe zone', then prompting at
the top of the screen should work fine.

~Roger

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 7:31 AM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Roger - yup, this problem affects other development environments too.
> Many have complained about it online. I currently force the input into the
> top half of the screen. Do you think I should force it even higher?
>
> I could just make the input go to the very top when a user enters it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 1, 2017, at 7:25 AM, jonathandly...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > The android version is 6.0.1.
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:46 AM, jonathandly...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Jacqueline,
> >>
> >> Sadly, that did not help. It received the KeyboardActivated message,
> and I had it check the effective working screenrect both at that point and
> again in a handler set to trigger a second later. They all return results
> as if the keyboard is not there.
> >>
> >> This is on a galaxy tab E, with the OS from 2015, so it might just be
> that this tablet is not very good. However, I need the app to work on most
> android devices.
> >>
> >> When I get a more powerful machine, I might test a few of these things
> again. I can make it do different things depending whether a particular OS
> resource is available.
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> J
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 10:11 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> What happens if you check the effective working screenrect in a
> keyboardActivated handler?
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> >>> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  On August 31, 2017 8:04:45 PM Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>  Actually, never mind, that cannot be it.
> 
>  I tried the follow script:
> 
>  on mouseUp
> 
>  create field "test height"
> 
>  select after field "test height"
> 
>  send getEWSR to me in 1 second
> 
>  end mouseUp
> 
>  on getEWSR
> 
>  answer the effective working screenrect
> 
>  delete field "test height"
> 
>  end getEWSR
> 
> 
>  it still returns the same screenrect that I get without using "effect
>  working", which is the screenrect of the device.
> 
> 
>  Any other ideas?
> 
> > On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:51 PM,  wrote:
> >
> > A question for Mark Waddingham...
> >
> > Mark, in my app, in the place in question, the keyboard is activated
> by a
> > browser widget. Is it possible that this means it is not sending a
> signal
> > to LC to update the value of the effective working screen rect?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Aug 31, 2017, at 8:27 PM, jonathandly...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes - it makes me want to share whatever I can.
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On Aug 31, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>  On 08/31/2017 07:33 AM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote:
>  Just a random comment - having the CTO of LC directly answer our
> > questions is an incredible benefit to LC developers.
> >>>
> >>> I also want to give a shout out to the supportive community here.
> This
> > is by far the best online community I've ever had the honor of being
> a part
> > of. The level of paying things forward is outstanding.
> >>>
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> >>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
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Re: Script Editor Autocomplete Optional?

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

The right-click contextual menu where you "Find in Docs" would be a good
place to toggle "Autocomplete On" / "Autocomplete Off".

~Roger


On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Maybe a little more nuanced control over it would be nice, but turning it
> on/off is a start.  For example, I'd like to be able to use a shortcut to
> use it when I want it - perhaps option-tab or something similar.
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.2.0 DP-1

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> > On 15 Sep 2017, at 1:31 am, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > wow.  there are lots of autocomplete suggestions on bugzilla, already.
>
> Yep I’m going to be a busy boy ;-)
>
> Cheers
>
> Monte
>
>
Can you use autocomplete to assist you in completing the suggestions?  :)
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Re: Constraining an input field's contents to be a single line.

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Have you tried...?

*on* rawKeyDown
   *if* pKeyPressed is 65293 *then*
  replace cr with empty in me
  select after me
   *end if*
   pass rawKeyDown
*end* rawKeyDown


On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 5:40 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the prompt Mike.
>
> Short answer - don't know yet, though I suspect I'm going to have to find
> out.
>
> I do not currently have "mobile text field objects" - all I have are just
> standard LC fields, so returninfield is all I need for the 'return' part of
> the problem - no need for 'inputReturnKey'.
>
> However, I also want to trap any attempt to paste in text containing CRs;
> I can do that for traditional platforms with a 'pasteKey' handler - but
> that doesn't seem to apply to LC fields on mobile, and also there doesn't
> appear to be any direct equivalent for mobile text fields (though there may
> be other ways to achieve the same result on mobile text fields - I really
> haven't looked at them yet).
>
> In fact, maybe that's the question I *should* ask.
> "Should i be  (can I reasonably get away with) using LC fields in an
> app targeted for mobiles, or do I really need to use mobile text fields ?
>
> Thanks
> Alex.
>
> On 20/09/2017 17:01, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> did that work, alex?
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Mike Kerner 
>> wrote:
>>
>> If you have a mobile text field object, then have you looked at
>>> inputReturnKey?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm sure there must be an easy way I'm missing . he said in hope :-)

 I want a field to contain a single line of data - i.. no CRs.

 I've done the easy bit (a handler for returninfield).

 I can even do the moderate bit -  a 'pastekey' handler, and check for
 CRs
 in the clipboard - but that doesn't apply to mobile (or at least, the
 dict
 says it doesn't).

 Is there any way to handle it on mobile ?

 Thanks
 Alex.

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>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
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>>> and did a little diving.
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Re: Constraining an input field's contents to be a single line.

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

The text WAS formatted and colorized.  Apparently the listserv modified
it.  The words enclosed in asterisks WERE in bold.

~Roger


On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> what do the asterisks do?
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Roger Eller via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Have you tried...?
> >
> > *on* rawKeyDown
> >*if* pKeyPressed is 65293 *then*
> >   replace cr with empty in me
> >   select after me
> >*end if*
> >pass rawKeyDown
> > *end* rawKeyDown
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 5:40 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for the prompt Mike.
> > >
> > > Short answer - don't know yet, though I suspect I'm going to have to
> find
> > > out.
> > >
> > > I do not currently have "mobile text field objects" - all I have are
> just
> > > standard LC fields, so returninfield is all I need for the 'return'
> part
> > of
> > > the problem - no need for 'inputReturnKey'.
> > >
> > > However, I also want to trap any attempt to paste in text containing
> CRs;
> > > I can do that for traditional platforms with a 'pasteKey' handler - but
> > > that doesn't seem to apply to LC fields on mobile, and also there
> doesn't
> > > appear to be any direct equivalent for mobile text fields (though there
> > may
> > > be other ways to achieve the same result on mobile text fields - I
> really
> > > haven't looked at them yet).
> > >
> > > In fact, maybe that's the question I *should* ask.
> > > "Should i be  (can I reasonably get away with) using LC fields in
> an
> > > app targeted for mobiles, or do I really need to use mobile text
> fields ?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Alex.
> > >
> > > On 20/09/2017 17:01, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> > >
> > >> did that work, alex?
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Mike Kerner <
> mikeker...@roadrunner.com
> > >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> If you have a mobile text field object, then have you looked at
> > >>> inputReturnKey?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
> > >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm sure there must be an easy way I'm missing . he said in hope
> > :-)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I want a field to contain a single line of data - i.. no CRs.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I've done the easy bit (a handler for returninfield).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I can even do the moderate bit -  a 'pastekey' handler, and check
> for
> > >>>> CRs
> > >>>> in the clipboard - but that doesn't apply to mobile (or at least,
> the
> > >>>> dict
> > >>>> says it doesn't).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Is there any way to handle it on mobile ?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks
> > >>>> Alex.
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Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Sitcom version of the laser reflector experiment (on "The Big Bang
Theory").  :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL1OATdBoY8


On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
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> Hi Lagi,
>
> The Apollo Astronauts left “Laser Reflectors” on the moon so that
> we could very accurately measure the distance between the Earth
> and the Moon.
>
> If you get the right equipment you too can do this experiment.
> The reflectors are still there on the moon right where they left them.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_
> experiment#/media/File:ALSEP_AS14-67-9386.jpg  wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment#/media/File:ALSEP_AS14-67-9386.jpg>
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Rick
>
> P.S. Maybe Astronauts in the far future will be able to write programs on
> the fly with future LiveCode!
>
>
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Re: Microsoft 365 Rest API

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

VERY interested!  Will this be shared, or become a add-on product for the
LC community?

~Roger


On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 8:54 AM, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I’ve been currently working on a project with another Livecoder making a
> library to work with MS Dynamics365. It turns out that the best way for LC
> to work with it is via their webAPI (as are most things) until v9 is ready.
> But this still means a lot of stuff being put together outside of LC. You
> first need an Azure account setup to enable authentication. You then need
> someone conversant with c#, Visual Basic and .net to write the APIs based
> on the MS SDK. This then needs putting onto a .net server. From there it is
> really straight forward to set up a http header in LC and all of the Post
> and http calls to send and receive data.
>
> To be honest, the LC side of things is really simple, and our API guy has
> been really good at setting the whole thing up for us. We found him via
> PeoplePerHour and is clearly one of the best in his field.
>
> It’s been a long process working out how to get it all to work together so
> I’m happy I can now make it easier for members like you, saving you the
> effort of fumbling around (like we did) to find a solution.
>
> PM me if and when you need more guidance and we can set up a Skype,
> FaceTime or whatever.
>
> All the best
>
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital
> s...@pidigital.co.uk
>
> > On 12 Oct 2017, at 12:52, Colin Kelly via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have any working livecode scripts/libraries to use with the
> Microsoft 365 Rest API for accessing Calendar entries?
> >
> >
> >
> > Any help much appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> >
> >
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Re: Microsoft 365 Rest API

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Skip, we are piloting the same starship in alternate universes, I do
believe.  ;)

~Roger


On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 9:47 AM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Roger... why is it that you and I are ALWAYS on the same page and
> interested in the same things?
>
> Love it!
>
> SKIP
>
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 9:43 AM, Roger Eller via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > VERY interested!  Will this be shared, or become a add-on product for the
> > LC community?
> >
> > ~Roger
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 8:54 AM, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I’ve been currently working on a project with another Livecoder making
> a
> > > library to work with MS Dynamics365. It turns out that the best way for
> > LC
> > > to work with it is via their webAPI (as are most things) until v9 is
> > ready.
> > > But this still means a lot of stuff being put together outside of LC.
> You
> > > first need an Azure account setup to enable authentication. You then
> need
> > > someone conversant with c#, Visual Basic and .net to write the APIs
> based
> > > on the MS SDK. This then needs putting onto a .net server. From there
> it
> > is
> > > really straight forward to set up a http header in LC and all of the
> Post
> > > and http calls to send and receive data.
> > >
> > > To be honest, the LC side of things is really simple, and our API guy
> has
> > > been really good at setting the whole thing up for us. We found him via
> > > PeoplePerHour and is clearly one of the best in his field.
> > >
> > > It’s been a long process working out how to get it all to work together
> > so
> > > I’m happy I can now make it easier for members like you, saving you the
> > > effort of fumbling around (like we did) to find a solution.
> > >
> > > PM me if and when you need more guidance and we can set up a Skype,
> > > FaceTime or whatever.
> > >
> > > All the best
> > >
> > > Sean Cole
> > > Pi Digital
> > > s...@pidigital.co.uk
> > >
> > > > On 12 Oct 2017, at 12:52, Colin Kelly via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have any working livecode scripts/libraries to use with
> the
> > > Microsoft 365 Rest API for accessing Calendar entries?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Any help much appreciated.
> > > >
> > > >
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is a date

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

put "11/20/2017" is a date
returns true

put "10" is a date
returns true

put "raccoon" is a date
returns false


WHY is "10" seen as a date?

~Roger
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Re: is a date

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

That's what I suspected.  So to build a slightly better trap, I am doing
this:

if tDate is a date and length(tDate) > 5 and tDate contains "/" then
   put "true"
   else
   put "false"
end if

I am sure there is probably a standard way to catch all possible date
formats (excluding "the seconds"), but this works for most.

~Roger


On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Roger,
>
> > Am 14.10.2017 um 18:30 schrieb Roger Eller via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > put "11/20/2017" is a date
> > returns true
> > 
> > put "10" is a date
> > returns true
> > 
> > put "raccoon" is a date
> > returns false
> > 
> >
> > WHY is "10" seen as a date?
>
> looks like the engine is seeing seconds also as a possible valid date.
>
> convert 0 to long date and long time;put it -> Thursday, January 1, 1970
> 1:00:00 AM
> 1:00:00 = DST here in germany!
>
> convert 10 to long date and long time;put it -> Thursday, January 1, 1970
> 1:00:10 AM
> etc...
>
> And of course:
> put (the seconds) is a date -> TRUE
>
> > ~Roger
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
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> http://www.major-k.de
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Re: is a date

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Exactly!  I was elated to find the built-in "is a date" check, because I
really wanted to NOT have to roll my own.  I was THRILLED that our lovely
English-like syntax was working FOR me.  And then an integer was accepted
as a legit date.  I didn't like that at all.  Why can't the engine have "is
a date" or "is a formatted date" as well?

~Roger

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 6:05 AM, hh via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> > JLG wrote ...
> > The one exception may be that any _integer_ is considered a date.
> > To get around that we could just check that there are 3 items
> > delimited by slashes before testing for "is a date".
>
> I write "is a /real/ date" into my notes whenever a meeting is a date.
> How do you handle such _real_ cases in your functions?  ;-)
>
>
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Re: is a date

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Again, I would prefer a simple one-liner built-in function.  What if
instead of "is a date" returning true or false, it instead returned some
expected outputs like "short, long, internet, seconds, ect.".  Something
short and sweet.

~Roger

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> This probably matters to no one at all, but SQL does not store dates with
> forward slashes. SQL datetime formats look like this:
>
> -dd-mm hh:mm:ss
>
> Bob S
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Re: Call for Speakers 2018

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

All that was missing was the food, the drink, and the boat rides. The
content and the video quality was so much more, and so much better, imho.

I thoroughly enjoyed the in-person conferences, however there's no reason
the group couldn't do smaller sessions specifically to address that gap in
social interaction. It's too bad we don't have virtual reality yet. LOL

~Roger


On Oct 24, 2017 9:35 PM, "Mark Wieder via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

On 10/24/2017 08:36 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:

> Dear List Folks,
>
> It may or may not yet have come to your attention that due to the great
> success and popularity of LiveCode Global, we are running it again next
> year. So I'm once again sending out the call for speakers. Got something
> interesting to share with the community? Could you fill 7 minutes, 30
> minutes or 50 minutes with some LiveCode Goodness? We'll be starting again
> on January 18th, and then every second month, on 15th March, 17th May, 19th
> July, 20th September and 15th November. Are you free for an hour on any of
> those days?
>

That sounds like the last nail in the coffin for the actual conferences.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftw...@gmail.com


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Re: LiveCode Windows Applications on Ubuntu

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

"WINE is fine, but LiveCode is quicker." as the old saying goes.  :)

~Roger


On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:24 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> My take on WINE is a bit different from Richard Gaskin's . . .
>
> I 100% agree with his: "Build native apps for Linux and enjoy better
> performance and a simpler experience."
>
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Re: Rich Text Editor features within a LC8/LC9 app?

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I have a multi-line field which contains editable text (field 15).  Above
it, I have 4 tiny buttons whose labels are set to "i", "B", "u", and "p".
Their names are "txt_style_Itallic", "txt_style_Bold",
"txt_style_Underline", and "txt_style_Plain". The Tooltip of each is set to
"italic", "bold", "underline", and "plain".

The script of each is (except for "plain") is:

on mouseUp
   if the selectedChunk contains "field 15" then
  set the textStyle[the tooltip of me] of the selectedChunk to true
   end if
end mouseUp

The script of button "txt_style_Plain" is:

on mouseUp
   if the selectedChunk contains "field 15" then
  set the textStyle of the selectedChunk to "plain"
   end if
end mouseUp

~Roger


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> Hi,
>
> i am looking for a way to allow the user to format  text or parts of text
> in a Field (Font, Textsize, Color, Alignment and so on).
> I know there is FieldTrip from Curry  and i´ve used it very often in the
> past,  but Fieldtrip is not working correctly in LC8 and LC9.
> Does anyone have created such a rich text editor feature in LC already and
> would like to share or sell? It does not need to be as feature rich as
> FieldTrip is.
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
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Re: Awful quiet around here

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

I will certainly let you know if I ** DID NOT ** receive your message.
Ignoring...  :)

~Roger


On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 6:49 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode <
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> Just checking if the list is functioning correctly. Seems impossible you
> all stopped talking at once...
>
> If you receive this message, ignore it.
>
> Otherwise, do let me know :)
>
> Best
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
>
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Re: Was I hallucinating? Totally OT, perhaps relevant

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

I frequently get targeted ads after just having off-line conversations.
They ARE listening!


On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I was at Google for meetings last week, some of which was with the Google
> Home and also Assistant teams. They have the same need as Siri, and I
> imagine that they solve the problem in the same way. For Google, they are
> always listening for “ok google”, and Apple are listening for “hey Siri”.
> It’s only a two second buffer though, that is constantly overwriting
> itself. If you could steal someone’s device and freeze all electrons in it
> so you could scrape for sound data, you probably would only get the sound
> of you picking the person’s pocket.
>
> If the trigger words are detected, the next bit of sound is uploaded to be
> analyzed. That happens for all devices within hearing, and online all of
> the recordings are considered at the same time. The reply is usually sent
> to the device that was closest to the user at the time. The recording is
> kept in your history, so you can go back and listen to it to figure out why
> it might have been misinterpreted. This is the page you can go to listen to
> yourself:
>
> https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity?product=29
>
>
>
> > On Nov 14, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > If Apple was doing data collection via Siri always on and feeding the
> data to Amazon, that would be a huge news story. Americans would FREAK OUT!
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> >> On Nov 10, 2017, at 19:18 , Kay C Lan via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have an iPhone with Siri usually turned Off, but
> >> after I recently upgraded to iOS11 I hadn't picked up that Siri had
> >> been turned On - it's now back Off.
> >>
> >> I'd like to think it was coincidence... but how many of you have EVER
> >> seen an online advert for a mattress specifically for station wagons?
> >
>
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Re: RESTful PUT error

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

If I remember correctly, PUT was never implemented in LibUrl.  I have only
needed GET and POST in my rather limited uses.

~Roger


On Nov 26, 2017 10:37 AM, "Andrew Bell via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

I'm working on connecting to a 3rd-party API (Pipedrive) to a LiveCode app
I've done and seem to have a problem; any assistance would be appreciated.
Dummy (sandbox) account information has been included with my code sample.

I've never used RESTful before, but the API seems pretty well documented
and I've had success much faster than anticipated working with the data in
LiveCode. It looks like commands are broke down into 3 types: GET (to
retrieve data), POST (to create new data), and PUT (to update existing
data).

I can retrieve data using "put URL tRequestURL1 into tJSONfromPipedrive"
I can create new data using "post tJSONtoUpload to url tRequestURL2"
But when I try to update data using "put tJSONtoUpload into url
tRequestURL2" I get a 400 error from the server. I tried to
urlEncode(tJSONtoUpload) but got the same error.

Their API includes a sandbox for testing, and my code seems to align with
their examples and helped me get my tests in order. I'm just not sure
what's wrong with my PUT command. https://developers.pipedrive.c
om/docs/api/v1/#!/Persons/put_persons_id

VARIABLE VALUES:
httpHeaders = {"Accept":"application/json"}
tRequestURL1 = https://api.pipedrive.com/v1/persons?api_token=ef2c59a67144d
185277fee92aa9ede877c6c10ff
tRequestURL2 = https://api.pipedrive.com/v1/persons/2?api_token=ef2c59a6714
4d185277fee92aa9ede877c6c10ff
tJSONtoUpload = {"phone":"555-555-"}

Is there something glaring I'm missing? I can get this to execute on their
developer website, but using the same code seems to error out for me in
LiveCode 8.2.0dp2 Business.

--Andrew Bell


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Website scraping - How can I load a 'partial' page?

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

I have a webpage that I grab with LiveCode, then parse out what I need.
The data I keep is within the first 1/4th of the page.

Rather than loading the entire page into a variable or a browser object,
how can I load just the portion that I need and then stop the transmission
instead of wasting the time and bandwidth to load the entire page?

~Roger
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Re: DG2: How much is mobile-only?

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

I don't like presumptiously imposed limits like that.  Many Windows laptops
and tablets are touch capable, and apps could benefit from swipe gestures.
Heck, even with a mouse, as the pointer is merely an extension of your
finger.

~Roger


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> It seems the swiping in DG2 is mobile only - is that correct?  What other
> DG2 goodies are currently only usable on a mobile device?
>
> The desktop has become very influenced by mobile design trends.  Apple's
> even begun the move to integrate the two.  And the desktop is still where
> businesses bet on workhorses, and where developers make more money.
>
> Much of the new DG would be great on the desktop.  So I hope I'm just
> missing something...
>
> --
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>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  
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Re: LiveCode Widget Factory

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

This sounds fantastic!!!  I have to ask, when you say "Native", do you mean
it should work on ANY of the "LiveCode-supported" platforms, both desktop
and/or mobile?

~Roger


On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Todd Fabacher via use-livecode <
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> Hello LiveCoders,
>
> I hope all is going well. As Kevin announced before...Gurgen, myself, the
> DP team and the FANTASTIC  LiveCode team [providing wonderful support] are
> working on creating LCB widgets that will catapult the LC platform and
> improve productivity.
>
> I have been in touch with a few people to get their ideas and needs, but I
> wanted to reach out and check with the community. At first, we have decided
> to focus these for round one:
>
> Basic Native UI elements
> Native Maps
> Voice to Text
> Bluetooth Device Connection
> Beacons
> Security/Fingerprint
> Playing sound/music in the background when the phone sleeps like Spotify or
> iTunes.
>
> For Phase Two we are looking at...
> BarCode Scanner & Maker
> Charts
> iCal like Calendar [Day, Week, Month, Year]
> Clipboard for mobile
>
> We are mostly looking at creating many UI elements and functionality that
> is native and not accessible now and other widgets that will save days of
> coding by grouping functionality into one simple widget [with the difficult
> code encapsulated].
>
> A few of the controls will be open sourced but the vast majority will be
> for sale at a reasonable price. Sorry, Gurgen and Team don't work for free
> and my landlord does not have an open source building, so please save the
> digital trees with replies of why we should be open source.
>
> We are excited and will be working VERY hard. Good News, DP was VERY
> successful at the Seaside Summit in UEA. We also have two LiveCode based
> startups selected to be profiled at Collision Conference
> https://collisionconf.com in April. One App is coded for Android, iOS,
> Windows, MacOS, LINUX local Server & TV HDMI output and a big LiveCode
> Server implementation for the cloud. It uses TCP, UDP, HTTPS, and SFTP
> protocols. Extensive encryption and a distributed network that will have
> 200,000 simultaneous global users. WOW...all of this with one code base -
> that is the power of LiveCode.
>
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Re: Password Checker

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

There seems to be a missing handler, "messageDigest".

~Roger


On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 11:50 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Read this interesting article about a half billion PW database of
> compromised passwords that I thought I'd share:
>
> *https://www.troyhunt.com/ive-just-launched-pwned-passwords-version-2/
> *
>
> *on* mouseUp
>*local* tSHAData, tSHAHex, tList
>*put* messageDigest(the text of field "password", "SHA-1") into tSHAData
>*repeat* for each byte tByte in tSHAData
>   *put* format("%02X",bytetonum(tByte)) after tSHAHex
>*end* *repeat*
>*put* url ("https://api.pwnedpasswords.com/range/"; & char 1 to 5 of
> tSHAHex) into tList
>*delete* char 1 to 3 of tList *-- delete the BOM*
>*filter* tList with (char 6 to -1 of tSHAHex) & "*"
>*set* the itemdel to ":"
>*put* item 2 of tList into field "hits"
> *end* mouseUp
>
> I've written some code that uses the new v2 API.  You send the first 5
> characters of the SHA1 of your password and get a list back of matches.
> You can then see if the rest of the hash is in the list and get the number
> of times it appears on the list.  "123123" appears 2048411 times for
> example.
>
> I'm sure that someone can tighten it up some, but just wanted to make
> something in LiveCode that could use the API.
>
> You can also download the full database of SHA1 values (8.75GB) if you
> would want to use to provide a service.  Links are in the article (he
> prefers that you use a torrent).
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
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Re: [OT] Haiku OS

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

AROS however is quite good, and has some 2018 activity.

http://aros.sourceforge.net/

http://aros.sourceforge.net/pictures/screenshots/

~Roger


On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:52 AM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
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> Hi Richmond,
>
> Current Official Version Information
>
> Version: R1/Alpha 4.1
> Release date: November 14th, 2012
> Computer platform: x86-32
> Something that hasn’t seen an update since 2012
> probably isn’t getting much traction at all.
>
> I hope you find this information somewhat helpful.
>
> Rick
>
> > On Feb 28, 2018, at 7:20 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > https://www.haiku-os.org/
> >
> > Does anyone know if Haiku OS;
> >
> > 1. Shows any sign whatsoever of gaining any traction?
> >
> > 2. Is there any point of attempting to compile LiveCode for Haiku OS
> (beyond a spare time project)?
> >
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Re: Kindle fire apps?

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

My wife has a Kindle Fire HD, and if I remember correctly, she can install
apps from the Google Play Store, but has to access it from the website
rather than an app.  https://play.google.com/store/apps

~Roger


On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 1:08 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <
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> Folks,
> I'm considering purchasing a Kindle Fire so I can take my books with me on
> a trip to Spain without fear of losing my iPad Pro, which costs 10 times as
> much as the Kindle.
>
> I'm wondering, tho, if anybody is making apps for Kindle with livecode. I
> read, in the Kindle reviews, that the Kindle doesn't access the Google App
> Store. So I'm wondering if the Kindle is a viable test platform for Android
> apps.
>
> Thx for any insights.
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
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Re: I'm a stupid GIT

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On Jan 7, 2017 4:01 PM, "Richard Gaskin via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Malte Brill wrote:
>
> > I also am a stupid GIT. Way over my head. That said - can’t this be
> > somehow automated so that one could download nightly builds?
>
> While nightly builds can be a good practice for many projects, LC is
unusually complex, and requires a LOT of time to run their build system.

Would it take longer than, um... a night?

> So while most apps only need a single build for one or two platforms, LC
needs to run multiple steps across a much larger number of platforms.

I am a huge fan of automation.  I own a robotic lawnmower.  The robot takes
2 to 3 hours to cut my lawn, which I used to cut manually using a push
mower.  I don't care how much longer the robot "works" in the summer heat
because I stay inside.

> This multiplies the time so much that I would imagine it would take many
hours to build a release, making it impractical to run daily.

If it's automated, you don't run it.  It just runs.  If it fails, so what!
It provides a bleeding edge version for those who can handle some risk.

>
> --
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>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  
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Re: Help: Odd menu behavior under LC6.7.11 on OSX

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

6.7.5 is my poison of choice.  8.x gives an error when it opens.  Bug was
reported several times, but it's still there, even in the latest.  Also, my
Windows applications are tightly spaced in the UI department, and 8.x text
spacing goes crazy. It would take a lot of time to go through everything
and adjust the text spacing.

~Roger

On Jan 12, 2017 3:16 AM, "Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> If you want to talk about a "perv": I'm currently using 7.1.4 for all my
> development work.
>
> Richmond.
>
> On 1/12/17 12:02 am, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote:
>
>>
>> Richmond:
>> > Well, the first question anyone is going to ask is why
>> > on earth you are using 6.7.11?
>>
>> Don't forget to use "OMG/LOL/derisno/perv" as in for example: "OMG, why
>> are you using 6.7, are you a total perv? Derisno past! LOL." :)
>>
>> There is a history to every product, and not only do we learn a lot by
>> comparing past to present, but the latest version of LC that people take
>> for granted owes a lot of fixes and some features to Paul in particular due
>> to his meticulous work and testing, providing a huge benefit to the entire
>> community!
>>
>> It's wonderful to keep up with recent LC releases, especially where Apple
>> is concerned, but sometimes circumstances and LC bugs/features can affect
>> the speed of that process. Then you have people who grab the latest DP,
>> precisely because it is the very latest thing, and get confused trying to
>> tell the difference between their own bugs and DP bugs. I help people with
>> that often enough to know that a chorus of "just grab the latest" is advice
>> that needs clarification.
>>
>> Paul:
>> > We are seeing a weird menu rendering issues under OSX
>>
>> I believe this menu issue is also a current bug in LC 8.1.2! Haven't
>> tried it yet in LC 9, but I will soon. LC 6.6 was okay, so it must have
>> been introduced in 6.7 and remained until now.
>>
>> Craig:
>> > I am hunkered down in v6 until I can swallow the new "look"
>> > of v8/9. The only thing I really miss from those is the new
>> > multi-char itemDelimiter.
>>
>> Change for the sake of change keeps some people incredibly happy, others
>> less so! The new interface does take some getting used to, and the old
>> interface definitely had its strengths too, as I've realized lately with
>> certain particular tasks and with teaching others. Much to learn from
>> comparing and critiquing LC versions, enjoying the very latest as well as
>> some past specimens!
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Curry Kenworthy
>>
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>> http://livecodeconsulting.com/
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Re: Nightly Builds

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Just a few days ago, nightly builds were being discussed.  Some thought it
would take too long to automate the process enough to provide nightly
builds.  Monte chimed in with the fact that nightly builds are already
automated, but are not published to everyone.  I think he said they were
available for a fee to developers who really need them.

~Roger


On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
>
> On 1/18/17 6:30 pm, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> Mooching around, as I tend to from time to time, on the LiveCode website,
>> I came
>> across this:
>>
>> https://livecode.com/resources/release-process/
>>
>> "Release Frequency:
>> RCs (Release candidates) every 1-3 days
>> Stable versions every 2-4 weeks
>> (Nightly builds available)"
>>
>> Which is either horribly out of date (hinted at by the diagram of the
>> release process with versions 6
>> and 7), or wrong.
>>
>>
> Actually, I just realised I made a few sarcastic remarks about that quote
> in 2013: so, Yup; you people
> at LiveCode central really should sort out that page . . .
>
> I used the word "porkies" last time . . .
>
> Anyway; I was wondering about the availability of nightly builds, and if
>> they are available, where to find them . . .
>>
>
> Anyway, this time I'm not really in the mood for being rude (I've
> demonstrated my capacity for that
> quite a few times already); more in the mood for seeing if I can get my
> sweaty paws on a few nightly
> builds.
>
>
>
>> Richmond.
>>
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Re: Nightly Builds

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Here it is:  Nightly Builds discussion



On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Roger Eller 
wrote:

> Just a few days ago, nightly builds were being discussed.  Some thought it
> would take too long to automate the process enough to provide nightly
> builds.  Monte chimed in with the fact that nightly builds are already
> automated, but are not published to everyone.  I think he said they were
> available for a fee to developers who really need them.
>
> ~Roger
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 1/18/17 6:30 pm, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>>
>>> Mooching around, as I tend to from time to time, on the LiveCode
>>> website, I came
>>> across this:
>>>
>>> https://livecode.com/resources/release-process/
>>>
>>> "Release Frequency:
>>> RCs (Release candidates) every 1-3 days
>>> Stable versions every 2-4 weeks
>>> (Nightly builds available)"
>>>
>>> Which is either horribly out of date (hinted at by the diagram of the
>>> release process with versions 6
>>> and 7), or wrong.
>>>
>>>
>> Actually, I just realised I made a few sarcastic remarks about that quote
>> in 2013: so, Yup; you people
>> at LiveCode central really should sort out that page . . .
>>
>> I used the word "porkies" last time . . .
>>
>> Anyway; I was wondering about the availability of nightly builds, and if
>>> they are available, where to find them . . .
>>>
>>
>> Anyway, this time I'm not really in the mood for being rude (I've
>> demonstrated my capacity for that
>> quite a few times already); more in the mood for seeing if I can get my
>> sweaty paws on a few nightly
>> builds.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Richmond.
>>>
>>
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Re: Engine Performance across Versions

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Performance times of a standalone created from each version would be
interesting as well.  And on each platform...


On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> Bob:
>
>> If you get around to it try one for Save As Standalone times.
>>
>
> Sounds like a good test of IDE tasks, thanks!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Curry K.
>
>
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Re: Boring but important - selling a download product for Windows

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

I tend to disagree with the consensus to use zip files on Windows.  Nothing
screams UNPROFESSIONAL more than not having an installer that is standard
for the platform you are installing to.

~Roger

On Jan 22, 2017 8:06 AM, "Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> How about downloading a zip file from a DropBox account?
>
> Richmond.
>
> On 1/22/17 2:59 pm, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Just to report on how this method worked for me: I chose to have a web
>> page from which the zipped file is downloaded. This worked fine, but not
>> without warnings. The browser of choice, Chrome, offered to discard the
>> file, but this was easy to ignore; then either when the zipped file was an
>> installer or when it was just the original standalone, Norton intervened to
>> prevent it running, but at least gave an option to “Run this program
>> anyway”. So I do need to put a number of warnings on my web site, but at
>> least it is less painful than before.
>>
>> In another mail in this thread, answering Richmond, I speculate that the
>> zip file could be delivered via an email attachment. I tried this, and
>> although it seemed to get rid of Chrome’s objection (I was using webmail
>> via Chrome), Norton made the same intervention. So that path is probably
>> not worth going down.
>>
>> Anyway this method certainly improves things, so that’s the one I’m going
>> to use. Pity that code signing doesn’t just sweep this all away, but I
>> suppose to really help naive users there should also be a kind of
>> “harmlessness certificate”, which AFAIK doesn’t exist.
>>
>> Graham
>>
>> On 21 Jan 2017, at 23:37, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow, Jacque, that is such a great idea. Too late where I am to try it
>>> out tonight, but I will certainly try it tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Thanks so much
>>>
>>> Graham
>>>
>>> On 21 Jan 2017, at 20:59, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
 use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

 On 1/21/17 1:43 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:

> My question is, what do other people do about this? If you generate a
> new desktop program for Windows and try to sell it as a download, how
> can you strip away all this nonsense for the average purchaser?
>
 One of my clients said she'd had it with Windows installers and now
 ships the product as a zip file. The user is instructed to move the app
 folder out of the zip folder. This is just about the only hitch in the
 process, because Windows presents the zip folder as a regular folder and
 users think they can just double-click the app inside the zip archive.

 Other than instructing naive Windows users to drag the app folder out
 of the zip archive, there have been virtually no other issues. The signed
 app itself works fine without interference from the OS.

 Windows users have become used to installers and expect them, but if
 your app is self-contained and doesn't require changing registry keys or
 other OS-level stuff, it works pretty well. I know that's not what you
 asked, but that's how we solved it.

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Re: Boring but important - selling a download product for Windows

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

If there's a ditch on either side of the road, we can easily get in it.  :)

~Roger


On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Actually I do know someone who speaks, more or less, Etruscan. He is an
> expert in dead and dying languages. Sadly though he’s in England, so Dr H’s
> uncle is unlikely to meet him.
>
> Could we get more OT if we tried?
>
> Graham
>
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Re: OT: Flash tablet

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

If it were mine, I would try to get a rom from the original manufacturers
site, if possible.

I found this just by googling...

http://mytabletguru.com/allwinner-a33-firmware-and-tool/

~Roger


On Jan 24, 2017 4:04 PM, "Mike Bonner via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

I'm trying to get a tablet working for a friend (hard reset is a no go.)  I
think I can use phoenix card to reflash it, but does anyone know of a site
with firmware/roms that isn't a hack/trojan/scam site?  (just for info, its
an allwinner a33 TZX-723Qb6   Hoping to reg this going but I don't trust
most (read any) of the sites and downloads I've found so far.
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Re: OT: Flash tablet

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Oh, I see what you mean now.  That particular model is very hard to find
now.  When I buy a cheap unknown device, I usually try to get the original
ROM while it is new, and save it away for the dreaded day.

~Roger


On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Roger Eller 
wrote:

> If it were mine, I would try to get a rom from the original manufacturers
> site, if possible.
>
> I found this just by googling...
>
> http://mytabletguru.com/allwinner-a33-firmware-and-tool/
>
> ~Roger
>
>
> On Jan 24, 2017 4:04 PM, "Mike Bonner via use-livecode" <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to get a tablet working for a friend (hard reset is a no go.)  I
> think I can use phoenix card to reflash it, but does anyone know of a site
> with firmware/roms that isn't a hack/trojan/scam site?  (just for info, its
> an allwinner a33 TZX-723Qb6   Hoping to reg this going but I don't trust
> most (read any) of the sites and downloads I've found so far.
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Re: OT: Flash tablet

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

I don't see any downloads on their website.  You can contact their support
here:  http://www.allwinnertech.com/index.php?c=message

~Roger


On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Roger Eller 
wrote:

> Oh, I see what you mean now.  That particular model is very hard to find
> now.  When I buy a cheap unknown device, I usually try to get the original
> ROM while it is new, and save it away for the dreaded day.
>
> ~Roger
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Roger Eller 
> wrote:
>
>> If it were mine, I would try to get a rom from the original manufacturers
>> site, if possible.
>>
>> I found this just by googling...
>>
>> http://mytabletguru.com/allwinner-a33-firmware-and-tool/
>>
>> ~Roger
>>
>>
>> On Jan 24, 2017 4:04 PM, "Mike Bonner via use-livecode" <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm trying to get a tablet working for a friend (hard reset is a no go.)
>> I
>> think I can use phoenix card to reflash it, but does anyone know of a site
>> with firmware/roms that isn't a hack/trojan/scam site?  (just for info,
>> its
>> an allwinner a33 TZX-723Qb6   Hoping to reg this going but I don't trust
>> most (read any) of the sites and downloads I've found so far.
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Re: Mobile library for barcodes?

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

This?  http://mergext.com/home/mergzxing/  or
http://splash21.com/sQuiRt.php



On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Devin Asay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have a vague memory that someone had created a barcode library or
> extension for mobile. Anybody know anything about that?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Devin
>
> Devin Asay
> Director
> Office of Digital Humanities
> Brigham Young University
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Re: Mobile library for barcodes?

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

When a question about what's available for "mobile" is raised, I always
read it as "android, iOS, and maybe even Windows-mobile".  I never
purchaced the full merg-suite because it doesn't fully support all of
LiveCodes mobile platforms.  I do have mergZXing because it works on
Android.  It shouldn't be deprecated unless there is an x-plat replacement.

~Roger

On Jan 31, 2017 5:48 PM, "Mike Kerner via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> See my email.  mergAV is choice #1 for reading.  mergZX reads, but is not
> as advanced as mergAV and really should be deprecated because it does not
> have any features that mergAV does not have.  It just uses a different
code
> base.
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Re: LC-Magick Collection

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

I think your stack that traces the outlines of a multicolor PNG into
polygon shapes would be a fabulous addition to this image tool collection.

~Roger

On Jan 31, 2017 6:23 PM, "hh via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Added today #6: Bilinear Perspective Image Distortion
> Distortion part by 'hh', Antialiasing part by 'BNig'.
>
> LC-Magick #1 - Blur and Pixelate (Scott R.)
> http://tactilemedia.com/blog/2016/03/26/update-blur-effect-
> plus-pixelize-bonus/
> LC-Magick #2 - Pointillize (Hermann H.)
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=141051#p141051
> LC-Magick #3 - Image Multiplexing (Hermann H.)
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=141272#p141272
> LC-Magick #4 - Linear Perspective Image Distortion (Hermann H.)
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=148647#p148647
> LC-Magick #5 - Circular (Polar) Image Distortion (Hermann H. and Bernd N.)
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=14#p14
> LC-Magick #6 - Bilinear Perspective Image Distortion (Hermann H. and Bernd
> N.)
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=150757#p150757
>
> Most of it is based on ideas presented in imageMagick's documentation
> http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/
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Re: LC-Magick Collection

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

There is a dedicated tracing stack somewhere on the LC forum.  I think it
was made about a year ago, maybe longer.

~Roger

On Feb 1, 2017 2:37 AM, "hh via use-livecode" 
wrote:

> Tracing all opaque parts of a picture with transparency, not only the
> outline, is one of the tools that BerndN uses in button "TracedAntialias"
> for the bilinear distortion, the tracing method used is "radial sweep".
>
> We should ask him to make an own 'little stack' for "Antialiased Tracing"
> where he describes his technique in some detail.
>
> There are already really marvellous imaging tools written in LiveCode
> available. And certainly I don't know all.
> Perhaps we should start to collect them at one place, ask the authors
> of these jewels to contribute.
>
> My idea for this LC-magick collection here was to add only such techniques
> that were not, or not this fast, available until now in LiveCode and that
> are somehow connected to imageMagick. But that's only an idea.
>
> As my last contribution for a while will follow this month
> "DeLinear Perspective Distortion"
> a tool that may help to "UnPerspective/ UnRotate/ UnSkew". Especially
> people using OCR sometimes need that.
>
> Hopefully others come in to enlarge this collection or build a new one.
> Just open your treasure chests.
>
> Hermann
>
> > Roger E. wrote:
> > I think your stack that traces the outlines of a multicolor PNG into
> polygon shapes would be a fabulous addition to this image tool collection.
> ~Roger
> > > hh wrote:
> > > Added today #6: Bilinear Perspective Image Distortion
> > > Distortion part by 'hh', Antialiasing part by 'BNig'.
> > >
> > > LC-Magick #1 - Blur and Pixelate (Scott R.)
> > > http://tactilemedia.com/blog/2016/03/26/update-blur-effect-
> > > plus-pixelize-bonus/
> > > LC-Magick #2 - Pointillize (Hermann H.)
> > > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=141051#p141051
> > > LC-Magick #3 - Image Multiplexing (Hermann H.)
> > > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=141272#p141272
> > > LC-Magick #4 - Linear Perspective Image Distortion (Hermann H.)
> > > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=148647#p148647
> > > LC-Magick #5 - Circular (Polar) Image Distortion (Hermann H. and Bernd
> N.)
> > > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=14#p14
> > > LC-Magick #6 - Bilinear Perspective Image Distortion (Hermann H. and
> Bernd
> > > N.)
> > > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=150757#p150757
> > >
> > > Most of it is based on ideas presented in imageMagick's documentation
> > > http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/
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Re: Mobile library for barcodes?

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No worries, Mike.  Someday perhaps a widget for every platform will
eMERGE.  /see what I did there.  :)

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> Roger, I agree.  I was not aware, until you mentioned it, this evening,
> that zx ran on android.  If that is the case, and mergAV does not, then of
> course it should not be deprecated, at least on Android.  On iOS, it is not
> as useful for barcode scanning and recognition as mergAV is.  Anyway,
> Jonathan, you would need mergAV to tell the camera to capture the image (on
> ios), so I am not sure why you would then have a separate JS library
> attempt to read it, since AV also includes a BC interpretation component.
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 9:13 PM, Roger Eller via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > When a question about what's available for "mobile" is raised, I always
> > read it as "android, iOS, and maybe even Windows-mobile".  I never
> > purchaced the full merg-suite because it doesn't fully support all of
> > LiveCodes mobile platforms.  I do have mergZXing because it works on
> > Android.  It shouldn't be deprecated unless there is an x-plat
> replacement.
> >
> > ~Roger
> >
> > On Jan 31, 2017 5:48 PM, "Mike Kerner via use-livecode" <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > See my email.  mergAV is choice #1 for reading.  mergZX reads, but is
> not
> > > as advanced as mergAV and really should be deprecated because it does
> not
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> > code
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Re: LC-Magick Collection

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

*FOUND IT:*  TracingBN_0_3.livecode.zip

and
sample files: images with transparency.zip


At the bottom of this thread:
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13399&p=64351#p64351

~Roger


On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 6:41 AM, Roger Eller 
wrote:

> There is a dedicated tracing stack somewhere on the LC forum.  I think it
> was made about a year ago, maybe longer.
>
> ~Roger
>
> On Feb 1, 2017 2:37 AM, "hh via use-livecode" <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Tracing all opaque parts of a picture with transparency, not only the
>> outline, is one of the tools that BerndN uses in button "TracedAntialias"
>> for the bilinear distortion, the tracing method used is "radial sweep".
>>
>> We should ask him to make an own 'little stack' for "Antialiased Tracing"
>> where he describes his technique in some detail.
>>
>> There are already really marvellous imaging tools written in LiveCode
>> available. And certainly I don't know all.
>> Perhaps we should start to collect them at one place, ask the authors
>> of these jewels to contribute.
>>
>> My idea for this LC-magick collection here was to add only such techniques
>> that were not, or not this fast, available until now in LiveCode and that
>> are somehow connected to imageMagick. But that's only an idea.
>>
>> As my last contribution for a while will follow this month
>> "DeLinear Perspective Distortion"
>> a tool that may help to "UnPerspective/ UnRotate/ UnSkew". Especially
>> people using OCR sometimes need that.
>>
>> Hopefully others come in to enlarge this collection or build a new one.
>> Just open your treasure chests.
>>
>> Hermann
>>
>> > Roger E. wrote:
>> > I think your stack that traces the outlines of a multicolor PNG into
>> polygon shapes would be a fabulous addition to this image tool collection.
>> ~Roger
>> > > hh wrote:
>> > > Added today #6: Bilinear Perspective Image Distortion
>> > > Distortion part by 'hh', Antialiasing part by 'BNig'.
>> > >
>> > > LC-Magick #1 - Blur and Pixelate (Scott R.)
>> > > http://tactilemedia.com/blog/2016/03/26/update-blur-effect-
>> > > plus-pixelize-bonus/
>> > > LC-Magick #2 - Pointillize (Hermann H.)
>> > > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=141051#p141051
>> > > LC-Magick #3 - Image Multiplexing (Hermann H.)
>> > > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=141272#p141272
>> > > LC-Magick #4 - Linear Perspective Image Distortion (Hermann H.)
>> > > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=148647#p148647
>> > > LC-Magick #5 - Circular (Polar) Image Distortion (Hermann H. and
>> Bernd N.)
>> > > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=14#p14
>> > > LC-Magick #6 - Bilinear Perspective Image Distortion (Hermann H. and
>> Bernd
>> > > N.)
>> > > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=150757#p150757
>> > >
>> > > Most of it is based on ideas presented in imageMagick's documentation
>> > > http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/
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[OT] DevDocs.io doesn't have "LiveCode"

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

 This is another place where LiveCode could receive some great exposure, if
represented.

A great resource for many language API docs in one convenient location.

https://devdocs.io/

~Roger
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Re: Script Editor fixable? (was: Configuring a Sublime Text project to notify LiveCode IDE about updates to script only stacks)

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I'm not what you would call a power user, nor do I need an editor that
handles multiple languages and syntax coloring variations.  I like the
truly integrated LC editor just fine.  It is great to see users providing
options for those who need more than that.

~Roger

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> It's always exciting to see new ground explored with inter-app
> communications, but with script editors I find myself wondering:
>
> Why not use LC's?
>
> If it's not on par with alternatives and for some reason can't be made to
> be on par, why don't we just ship LC with an appropriately-licensed editor,
> allow hooks like the ones discussed here for any other editor folks might
> want, and spend the development time we used to spend on LC's editor on
> other things?
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Re: Reveal in Find on Windows

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

get shell (”explorer.exe /select,c:\windows\system32\selected_file.txt")

Source:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/29970897/cmd-file-tasks-open-directory-and-select-file

~Roger

On Feb 21, 2017 10:43 PM, "Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode" <
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for in house production tools I use an apples script or shell script to
reveal a file in the finder

how do we do this on windows?

BR

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Re: Script Editor fixable? (was: Configuring a Sublime Text project to notify LiveCode IDE about updates to script only stacks)

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I'm fine with a different editor, as long as it is "in the box".  I don't
want to be forced into adding components from other sites unless I choose
to, like plugins, etc.  The IDE should install as a complete thing (editor
included).

2 cents.
~Roger


On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
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> Roger Eller wrote:
>
> > On Feb 21, 2017 9:28 PM, "Richard Gaskin via use-livecode" wrote:
> >
> >> It's always exciting to see new ground explored with inter-app
> >> communications, but with script editors I find myself wondering:
> >>
> >> Why not use LC's?
> >>
> >> If it's not on par with alternatives and for some reason can't be
> >> made to be on par, why don't we just ship LC with an appropriately-
> >> licensed editor, allow hooks like the ones discussed here for any
> >> other editor folks might want, and spend the development time we
> >> used to spend on LC's editor on other things?
> >
> > I'm not what you would call a power user, nor do I need an editor that
> > handles multiple languages and syntax coloring variations.  I like the
> > truly integrated LC editor just fine.  It is great to see users
> > providing options for those who need more than that.
>
> Options are good.  I'm wondering if perhaps we could embrace that more
> fully.
>
> The SE is a very expensive component to maintain.  If we could replace it
> with a third-party editor, and put a fraction of the time we used to spend
> maintaining and enhancing the SE into providing a mechanism to use any
> editor the user prefers, we'd have a better editor in the box and vast
> options for using other editors, and save development expense along the way.
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Re: Reveal in Find on Windows

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Launch document is good, but the OP wants to simply open a folder, and as
stated in his first post, reveal or select a specific file.  I'll try the
handler on Windows when I get to the office.

~Roger

On Feb 22, 2017 10:45 PM, "Mike Bonner via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Just remembered, you can bipass the shell call entirely..
>
> launch document sRootFolder -- native lc command.  Just need to do as I
> mentioned and be sure its a folder you're dealing with. (otherwise it will
> launch the apropos app to match the file type)
>
> It will probably work for both platforms. (my mac is down or I'd check
> there)
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 8:41 PM, Mike Bonner  wrote:
>
> > I can't test it on mac, but 2 things. First, if your path is a folder but
> > doesn't have the trailing / you'll end up in the wrong place so you might
> > consider doing a check:
> > if there is a file sRootFolder then delete item -1 of sRootFolder
> >
> > Then for the windows segment use "start":
> >
> > put ("start " & sRootFolder) into tShell  -- also noted there is a typo,
> > you use tRootfolder rather than sRootfolder in your example above
> >
> > I _think_ start is available all the way down to xp, but I can't check to
> > make sure.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 8:06 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via
> > use-livecode  wrote:
> >
> >> this is what I have so far…
> >>
> >> command openWorkingFolderInFinder pFolderFile
> >> set the itemdel to "/"
> >> put pFolderFile into sRootFolder
> >> delete item -1 of sRootFolder
> >> switch platform()
> >> case "MacOS"
> >> put ("open " & quote & sRootFolder & quote) into tShell
> >> break
> >> case "Win32"
> >> put ("explorer.exe /n/root," & tRootfolder) into tShell
> >> break
> >> end switch
> >> get shell(tShell)
> >> end openWorkingFolderInFinder
> >>
> >> Can anyone test if this opens a folder on Windows?
> >>
> >> tks
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/22/17, 4:59 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Sannyasin
> >> Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode"  runrev.com
> >> on behalf of use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> OK  I studied the doc here:
> >>
> >> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/130510/command-line
> >> -switches-for-windows-explorer
> >>
> >> and actually the use cases are more often to open a folder
> >>
> >> but I don't have windows to test
> >>
> >> does this work to open a folder window on Win32?
> >>
> >> get shell (”explorer.exe /n,/root,c:\windows\system32\m
> >> y-project-folder")
> >>
> >>
> >> BR
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/22/17, 1:54 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Roger Eller via
> >> use-livecode"  >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> get shell (”explorer.exe /select,c:\windows\system32\se
> >> lected_file.txt")
> >>
> >> Source:
> >> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/29970897/cmd-file-tasks-
> >> open-directory-and-select-file
> >>
> >> ~Roger
> >>
> >>
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Re: Reveal in Find on Windows

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50 Million!!!  pffft

Well, let's not forget about the Amiga

then.  I know there are still at least 2, because I still have mine.  ;)

~Roger

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> Mike Bonner wrote:
>
> Just remembered, you can bipass the shell call entirely..
>>
>> launch document sRootFolder -- native lc command.  Just need to do as I
>> mentioned and be sure its a folder you're dealing with. (otherwise it will
>> launch the apropos app to match the file type)
>>
>> It will probably work for both platforms. (my mac is down or I'd check
>> there)
>>
>
> As Richmond might ask, "both"?
>
> There are three major desktop OSes. :)
>
> For those who include the roughly 50 million Linux desktop users in their
> deployments, calling xdg-open with the shell function does the trick:
>
> on mouseUp
>put specialFolderPath("desktop") into tFolder
>get shell("xdg-open ""e& tFolder "e)
> end mouseUp
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Re: Reveal in Find on Windows

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

You get a star for effort.  ;-p

I tried your handler on Mac and Win, (not currently one of the 50 million
Linux users).  It opened the folder but did not select (reveal) the file or
folder.  The start of your command name didn't match the end, but that's
okay.  Community effort, right?

~Roger


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use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> > Richard G. wrote:
> > There are three major desktop OSes. :)
>
> Yes. And I'm _the only one_ in this thread who posted a handler
> that serves all these three ...
>
> http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2017-February/234858.html
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Re: Script Editor fixable? (was: Configuring a Sublime Text project to notify LiveCode IDE about updates to script only stacks)

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And if for #5, if I just want to keep using the LC built-in editor because
I am comfortable using it, then I would hope it still exists.  I guess like
metacard, it would branch into it's own open-source thing, maintained by
those who want it.


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> Other reasons to think about an external editor:
> 1) Code folding
> 2) Visual markers for structures (vertical lines that connect the beginning
> and end of a control structure, making it easy to see)
> 3) Larger community, therefore more people to work on it, make suggestions,
> etc.
> 3a) Maybe, eventually, the development team doesn't have to worry about the
> SE, any more, at all.
> 4) Why is having an integrated editor important, if your edits made via an
> external editor take effect immediately?  If we didn't need the L server
> hack to get live edits, we could use any editor.
> 5) Choose the editor you want, for whatever reason you want it.
> 6) And if you're using Git or some other code repo tool,
> ...a) Less need to carefully mark changes in your code so you can track
> them because the tool does that for you.  You can see all the changes that
> have happened in a particular handler, and you can see all the changes that
> go with a particular version across handlers.
> ...b) Undo, and undo from several months ago
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Re: Remote debugger

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

But if you wanted to continue developing an alternative way of remote
debugging, the open-source LC users would love you.  :)


On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 2:48 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
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> On 2/24/17 2:36 AM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> You need to ensure the internet permission is on for android. We
>> probably should make that automagicial with the test button..
>>
>
> Oh duh. Of course. I had overlooked the Android permission. Just in case,
> I also added internet and TSNet to the inclusions. Are those necessary too?
> I'm thinking probably not.
>
> So I ran my test stack again and was blown away. This is one of the
> coolest and most needed features we've had in a very long time. In my
> current project I need to get the text of a long error result and was about
> to write an ftp handler so I could move it out of the Android sandbox to a
> place where I could access the text. Now I don't have to, I can just get it
> from the debugger. This is amazing.
>
> I'd suggest that documentation make it clear what permissions and
> inclusions need to be set up. I'm not sure I'd make the permission
> automatic, since the final standalone may not want that permission set and
> the developer will probably forget to unset it, especially if they didn't
> know it was turned on in the first place.
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Re: Script Editor fixable? (was: Configuring a Sublime Text project to notify LiveCode IDE about updates to script only stacks)

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On Feb 25, 2017 9:21 AM, "Mike Kerner via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> All I did was plant the thought, and Bernd went nuts with it.  Welcome to
> management.  Where's my big paycheck and pin stripes?
> Anyway, we have been raly slow as a
> community picking up the ball and running with it since LC went OSS.
Every
> time we start going after ANYTHING in LC it's a plus, so I'm glad the
> dictionary is getting attention.

I supported LC OSS when it was in kickstarter with my personal $$$.  And it
was the largest sum that I personally have ever given toward any cause.  It
was very difficult for me because I don't sell any apps.  My investment was
1) because I believe in the potential of LC to empower non-programmers to
create, 2) to open the doors for OSS programmers to improve the product for
everyone,  3) to reap the reward of lifetime LC upgrades so I can continue
to enjoy creating without having to learn C or java, or whatever else.  I
have always loved the idea that our interface was created in its own
language. I see the advantages for the "team" to remove some burdens, but
at the same time it makes me feel like something special is being
abandoned.  But I'm not selling apps, so disregard me.

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Re: Script Editor fixable? (was: Configuring a Sublime Text project to notify LiveCode IDE about updates to script only stacks)

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Roger Eller 
wrote:

> On Feb 25, 2017 9:21 AM, "Mike Kerner via use-livecode" <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > All I did was plant the thought, and Bernd went nuts with it.  Welcome to
> > management.  Where's my big paycheck and pin stripes?
> > Anyway, we have been raly slow as a
> > community picking up the ball and running with it since LC went OSS.
> Every
> > time we start going after ANYTHING in LC it's a plus, so I'm glad the
> > dictionary is getting attention.
>
> I supported LC OSS when it was in kickstarter with my personal $$$.  And
> it was the largest sum that I personally have ever given toward any cause.
> It was very difficult for me because I don't sell any apps.  My investment
> was 1) because I believe in the potential of LC to empower non-programmers
> to create, 2) to open the doors for OSS programmers to improve the product
> for everyone,  3) to reap the reward of lifetime LC upgrades so I can
> continue to enjoy creating without having to learn C or java, or whatever
> else.  I have always loved the idea that our interface was created in its
> own language. I see the advantages for the "team" to remove some burdens,
> but at the same time it makes me feel like something special is being
> abandoned.  But I'm not selling apps, so disregard me.
>
> ~Roger
>
Just to clarify, I am thrilled that there are people in the community that
have both the time and the skills to contribute.  Others like myself have
also contributed in varying degrees monetarily, but may or may not do more
beyond that. That might be considered "reealy sloow at picking up
the ball", but both types of contributions make OSS work at the end of the
day.

I love Bernd's dictionary stack, by the way.  Everything he touches is
outstanding!

~Roger
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Re: Script Editor fixable? (was: Configuring a Sublime Text project to notify LiveCode IDE about updates to script only stacks)

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

There seems to be more stack-based collaboration over in the forums, since
you can attach files.  GIT seems overkill for many of the smaller tasks,
and way more complicated too.  At least if you've never participated in
team-based coding.  Balls are rolling, but rolling in different
directions.  I believe one just rolled under the couch.  lol


On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 6:32 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
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> No, what I meant was that we as a group have been really slow to get the
> ball and start running.  We're just start to get moving, but I'm hoping
> that with a few of these little projects started we're picking it up...
>
> On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Roger Eller via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Roger Eller <
> roger.e.el...@sealedair.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Feb 25, 2017 9:21 AM, "Mike Kerner via use-livecode" <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > All I did was plant the thought, and Bernd went nuts with it.
> Welcome
> > to
> > > > management.  Where's my big paycheck and pin stripes?
> > > > Anyway, we have been raly slow as a
> > > > community picking up the ball and running with it since LC went OSS.
> > > Every
> > > > time we start going after ANYTHING in LC it's a plus, so I'm glad the
> > > > dictionary is getting attention.
> > >
> > > I supported LC OSS when it was in kickstarter with my personal $$$.
> And
> > > it was the largest sum that I personally have ever given toward any
> > cause.
> > > It was very difficult for me because I don't sell any apps.  My
> > investment
> > > was 1) because I believe in the potential of LC to empower
> > non-programmers
> > > to create, 2) to open the doors for OSS programmers to improve the
> > product
> > > for everyone,  3) to reap the reward of lifetime LC upgrades so I can
> > > continue to enjoy creating without having to learn C or java, or
> whatever
> > > else.  I have always loved the idea that our interface was created in
> its
> > > own language. I see the advantages for the "team" to remove some
> burdens,
> > > but at the same time it makes me feel like something special is being
> > > abandoned.  But I'm not selling apps, so disregard me.
> > >
> > > ~Roger
> > >
> > Just to clarify, I am thrilled that there are people in the community
> that
> > have both the time and the skills to contribute.  Others like myself have
> > also contributed in varying degrees monetarily, but may or may not do
> more
> > beyond that. That might be considered "reealy sloow at picking up
> > the ball", but both types of contributions make OSS work at the end of
> the
> > day.
> >
> > I love Bernd's dictionary stack, by the way.  Everything he touches is
> > outstanding!
> >
> > ~Roger
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Re: Image Manipulation by javascript/HTML5 using a widget

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Sounds very cool!  Where is the download link?


On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 4:53 PM, hh via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> There is a new sample stack by Jonathan Lynch called
> "Browser Widget Image Manipulator".
> This name could lead to underestimate a bit this stack. That's why
> I would like to point to it.
>
> This is a real clever solution, short and practicable. It uses the
> image manipulation possibilities of javascript/HTML5 via the browser
> widget. And it is, in LC 8, for shearing (and rotating) also faster
> than my 'direct' imagedata solutions for shear and rotate in LC 6.
>
> It could also be called
>
> Image Manipulation by javascript/HTML5 using a widget
>
> directly from LC, within the stack, nothing extern, no shell scripts.
> It shows a direction of how to access some of the big image and graphics
> libraries of js/HTML5.
>
> Thanks for that great example Jonathan.
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Re: Anyone doing a LiveCode Community Chat Bot? Wondering

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

I am very interested in AI bots.  It would be really cool to use LiveCode
to interface with the Google Home, or Amazon Echo API.  Through
kickstarter, I have supported the DashBot in hopes that it's core OS can
run apps made with LiveCode.  I don't have it yet, but I am hoping it has
Android inside.

https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/26/become-michael-knight-with-dashbot-an-ai-for-your-car/

~Roger


On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:25 AM, Mark Rauterkus via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> LiveCode seems like a great too for the creation of a Chat Bot, or multiple
> chat bots.
>
> Is anyone doing (or done) an open source / community chat bot with
> LiveCode?
>
> Just read two interesting articles. Pointers below:
>
>
> #1
> I turned my mobile app into a chatbot. Here’s why.
> https://medium.freecodecamp.com/why-i-converted-my-app-to-
> a-chatbot-96355596725c#.mbp9zk44j
>
> #2
> What it’s like to build and market a chatbot when you’re only 14 years old
> https://medium.freecodecamp.com/the-ups-and-downs-of-
> building-and-marketing-a-chat-bot-when-youre-14-8a072830b43c#.tmxs0bksa
>
>
>
>
> --
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>
>
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Re: Dragging widgets

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

On Mar 2, 2017 3:08 AM, "Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Is menu driven scripting really programming? (500-900 words, on my desk
by Monday).
>
> Why do I feel that menu driven scripting is like driving an automatic car
(last time I drove one
> of those I crashed it by using my left foot to press on the "clutch"),
while LiveCode feels like
> driving a manual transmission car, and C++, PASCAL, et al are rather like
building your own
> car before you drive the thing?
>
>>   I prefer to write my own code and find that this is very often quicker
> Richmond.

There used to be (might still be / haven't checked) a menu in the LC Script
Editor to "Insert control structure"  which was good for noobs to get
started with switch statements, etc.

~Roger
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Re: Remote debugger

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Where can the new version be found?  Is this page still maintained?
http://mergext.com/plugins/mergdeploy/



On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
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>
> > On 7 Mar 2017, at 4:01 am, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > 1) There may be a crash bug related to mergDeploy (19365).  I don't KNOW
> > that's mergDeploy related, but if MD is enabled, LC crashes, and if it is
> > not, it doesn't.
> > 2) Seeing !n instead of device name (19376)
>
> Hopefully the new version of mergDeploy will have fixed those already ;-)
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Re: "ouch: the beginning of the end"

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

So... Why not convert the forms to high-res (300+ dpi) PNG or JPEG as Mark
suggests as one of the many options, and overlay LiveCode fields to create
an app for filling the form?  Once filled in, merge the high-res image with
the collected field data into a fresh new PDF generated via the Quartum PDF
Library (using 100% LiveCode scripting).

http://users.telenet.be/quartam/pdf4rev/benefits.html

~Roger

//SUMMARIZED//

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 6:59 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
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> Hi Dr Hawkins,
>
> I've been away on holiday for just over a week, and this thread has got
> quite long, so I thought it easier to answer the original post rather
> than some off shoot on it.
>
> 
>
> So what options are there?
>
> - Option 1 - bi-level background images
>
> - Option 2 - augment the original PDF
>
> - Option 3 - wait until LiveCode can render PDFs directly as an object on
> a card
>
> - Option 4 - focus on Mac/iOS and do other platforms later
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>
> --
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> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-5

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

+1

On Mar 8, 2017 7:42 PM, "Andre Garzia via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 5:12 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Besides, this is not
> > debugging, this is remote debugging, and if anything screams "premium",
> > it's a feature like this.  Anyone who has been building for mobile since
> we
> > could do that with LC has been working with their own personal debugging
> > hacks.  You can debug mobile, on the device, without this tool.
> >
>
> Hey Mike,
>
> I completely disagree with this notion that having a debugger is a premium
> feature. As you say, anyone who was building mobile was crafting helpers to
> help debug their creations but this is not the same as stepping through the
> code with a debugger.
>
> Lets not mix the act of debugging an app (removing bugs) with having a real
> debugger. For example, for ages Web Developers filled their code with
> alert() dialogs and console.log() calls which is much like we do with LC on
> mobile, but, all browsers these days ship real debuggers and both Chrome
> and Firefox ship with remote debuggers, heck Firefox alone can debug iOS
> Safari from Desktop Linux.
>
> Remote debuggers are not a fancy premium feature. Android Studio (which is
> the free oficial IDE) has a remote debugger. Visual Studio has remote
> debugger. Phonegap has a remote debugger. Corona SDK has a remote debugger.
> Basically everyone that is shipping mobile apps has a remote debugger and
> is not charging a premium on it.
>
> An Indy License costs more than 500 USD per year. Thats not peanuts, thats
> a solid investment, not allow people who make such investment from having a
> normal standard tool for mobile app development is crazy! LC on mobile is
> already buggy enough on the engine side, having this debugger would have
> the side effect of making it easier for us to contribute bug recipes for
> example. Lots of time here we loose a precious amount of time trying to
> identify if the bug is on our side of the code or the engine since we can't
> step through it.
>
>
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Re: Download LC Community: trapped.

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

On Mar 9, 2017 5:26 PM, "Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Asking for an e-mail address is a small thing to ask for.
>
> But _forcing_, rather than _asking_, isn't quite the same thing.
>
>  Personal blether starts now ---
>
> I don't feel capable in a big way to contribute to LiveCode development,
> so I do try to send bug reports in when I fall over 'bugs'.
>
> I am still wondering about trying to make a simplified interface for some
sort of
> cut-down version of LiveCode using block-programming [ c.f. Scratch and
so on ].
>
> I was wondering about having a script-editor with blocks . . .

Things of the past could easily be new again.  Authoring environments come
to mind.  Amiga Vision was a favorite of mine for stringing together
multimedia with timers, synchronized narration, and even simple button
logic.  I could see kids in a beginners LiveCode class using blocks to at
least design app concepts, and simple logic structures.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqywIVs2S4w

>
> Richmond.

~Roger
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Re: Download LC Community: trapped

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

It's a matter of forced consent, not necessarily about the intended use of
your email address. I get it, and I agree that it should not be required.

~Roger


On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Indeed; but now this is drifting OT.
>
> Richmond.
>
> On 3/10/17 7:04 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> I have bad news for everyone who thinks that by not giving their email
>> address out actually does anything to prevent it from getting on a spam
>> list. If you mother has the address in her address book and clicks on a bad
>> link or opens an email with malware on it, your address is probably getting
>> scraped from her recents list and address book. As soon as you use an email
>> address to send anything to anyone, consider it compromised.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>> On Mar 10, 2017, at 08:34 , Jim MacConnell via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> And.. I come down on the other side of this one.
>>> I think offering people the opportunity to register w/email is important
>>> but not allowing them to see what they're getting unless they do
>>> not
>>> so good.
>>>
>>> I routinely do not try tools if I have to give anything to try them
>>> out...
>>> email, facebook permission, etc. Not willing to spread personal any
>>> further
>>> than I need to.
>>>
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Re: (off) dropbox down

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Or maybe THIS had some complications they were working through.  I received
an email from Dropbox that said:

"This is a reminder that your Public folder links will become inactive
on *March
15*. On that date, your Public folder will become a standard Dropbox
folder, and your files will remain safe in your account. If you want to
share those files again, you’ll need to use shared links instead."

~Roger


On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Maybe this all had to do with this in some way?
>
> https://www.ripe.net/support/service-announcements/reverse-
> dns-issue-for-some-delegations-in-the-ripe-ncc-service-region <
> https://www.ripe.net/support/service-announcements/reverse-
> dns-issue-for-some-delegations-in-the-ripe-ncc-service-region>
>
>
>
>
> > Am 17.03.2017 um 15:24 schrieb Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >:
> >
> > Mike Kerner wrote:
> >
> > > For everyone who does anything with dropbox, it's been down since at
> > > least 2AM EDT.
>
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Re: Producing a list of duplicates

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

You will find that and SO MUCH MORE in the incredible resource MASTER
LIBRARY, by Michael Doub.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3wpwn3hfbmpl7sk/MasterLibrary.livecode?dl=0

~Roger


On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 7:41 AM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Anybody have a good method for searching a list of items for duplicates and
> listing those duplicates in a variable?
>
> I have a bunch of data records that contain email addresses. I need to
> search through that list and produce an list so those duplicates can be
> acted upon.
>
> As always, your input is greatly appreciated!
>
> SKIP
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Re: [ANN] tinyDictionary

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Outstanding!  Much better than the built-in webpage-like dictionary.  Great
job!



On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:37 AM, BNig via use-livecode <
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> I uploaded a compact version of the dictionaries for LC 8.1 and up to
> Livecodeshare
>
> http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/825/tinyDictionary_0_7_7_7
>
> this is also accessible via "Sample Stacks" from inside LC.
>
> it is the result of Mike Kerners push to have a small footprint dictionary.
>
> James Hale contributed to tinyDict, thanks James.
>
> Comments bug reports either on the use-list or in the forum
>
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=28731&p=152646#p152646
>
> or mail me.
>
> Kind regards
> Bernd
>
>
>
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Re: nabble babble

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

I have always used "the mail archive" site as my X-Talk Time Machine.

LIVECODE
https://www.mail-archive.com/use-livecode@lists.runrev.com/

REVOLUTION
https://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution@lists.runrev.com/

METACARD
https://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/

~Roger


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use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks for that, James. Nice to be able to see who said what again.
> -- Tom B.
>
>
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Re: nabble babble

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

I'm not sure what you mean.  I just type my search terms and include the
year if I want more recent results.

https://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=AirLaunch+2017&l=use-livecode%40lists.runrev.com


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use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 3/24/17 12:19 PM, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> I have always used "the mail archive" site as my X-Talk Time Machine.
>>
>
> How do you search? I've never found a good way to do that in the
> "official" archives.
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Re: Overlaying on video

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Will there be a similar capability to allow objects (buttons and fields) to
overlay a browser widget, which might also be displaying a video?  I
believe there is a need to make this possible for any situation.

~Roger


On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 8:47 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Before LC 8.1.0, one could put other objects on top of the player object,
> if alwaysBuffer==true. This has broken in LC 8.1.0+.
>
> A workaround is described in this bug report:
>
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19444
>
> Best,
> Panos
> --
>
> On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Rick
> >
> > Thanks for your reply.
> >
> > > I think once a movie starts playing other LC messages don’t
> > > have time to be sent. The video just takes over because
> > > it’s showing each frame quickly so your eye tells you
> > > it’s a movie.
> >
> > I don't think that's it. I've had time codes displays running before,
> > achieved in this way, so something that normally works, doesn't. I
> haven't
> > worked out if this is an issue with 8.1.3 or another side effect of the
> > particular movie. Or just that working late on a small screen, I made
> some
> > other stupid mistake.
> >
> > > One solution I had to use in the past to make a decent
> > > animation was to break the movie into each frame and
> > > then put each frame onto each card.
> >
> > I took a similar approach for now - rather than playing the movie and
> then
> > catching the currenttime, I used my timer to keep setting the current
> time,
> > moving it on a frame at a time (in fact for now I wanted to export a
> > timelapse of the movie anyway, so was happy to jump it along
> half-a-second
> > at a time). But in my ideal world I'd have this working interactively,
> > including allowing the user to scrub the movie to a different time and
> have
> > the data graphics update as they did.
> >
> > > I tried importing a Quicktime movie which had the .mov suffix into LC.
> > > I put a graphic on top of the movie and when I went to play the movie
> > > the movie put itself on top of the graphic.  So what to I need to do to
> > > recreate your solution?
> >
> > That's what I don't know yet! Obviously it's not enough that it's a .mov
> > instead of a .mp4; when I exported it, the movie also changed codec,
> > resolution, framerate... (partly because I was in a hurry so I decided to
> > work with a smaller lighter version to make progress). I'll need to try
> > some experiments with changing fewer attributes to find out which is the
> > crucial one.
> >
> > What are the characteristics of the movie you tried it with, that didn't
> > work?
> >
> > Ben
> >
> >
> >
> > On 27/03/2017 01:30, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hi Ben,
> >>
> >> To try to answer the second part of your question first.
> >> I think once a movie starts playing other LC messages don’t
> >> have time to be sent. The video just takes over because
> >> it’s showing each frame quickly so your eye tells you
> >> it’s a movie.
> >>
> >> One solution I had to use in the past to make a decent
> >> animation was to break the movie into each frame and
> >> then put each frame onto each card.  I had a short
> >> movie so it ended up being 254 cards.  It was for iOS
> >> so I needed to optimize for a cell phone processor.
> >> Then I was able to have a graphic which appeared
> >> on every card move on top of the changing cards.
> >> So my animated character was able to move around
> >> freely on top of a video background.  I was able to
> >> adjust the timing of the loops so it looked pretty good.
> >>
> >> Regarding the first part of your message:
> >> I’m trying to duplicate some of your experience here.
> >>
> >> Eventually I discovered by accident that this only applies to some
> >>> videos. For now, I got the job I needed to do done by rendering the
> >>> original .mp4 into a .mov with QuicktimePlayer's default settings; I
> >>> haven't had time to establish what the crucial factors are. Is this
> >>> known/documented anywhere?
> >>>
> >>
> >> I tried importing a Quicktime movie which had the .mov suffix into LC.
> >> I put a graphic on top of the movie and when I went to play the movie
> >> the movie put itself on top of the graphic.  So what to I need to do to
> >> recreate your solution?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Rick
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 26, 2017, at 6:54 PM, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
> >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm trying to overlay some graphics on a video, and hit a couple of
> >>> problems.
> >>>
> >>> The first, which drove me somewhat mad until I found an out, was that
> >>> the video was always displayed on top of other LC elements - graphics,
> >>> fields. This is using a player object; I found that the controller
> would be
> >>> rendered correctly layered among other objects, and indeed would ob

Re: within and scaleFactor

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Also the content of option menus remain at 1X scale even though everything
else has increased in size.  #thatsabug

~Roger

On Apr 1, 2017 3:17 PM, "Dan Friedman via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I call this a bug, would you?
>
> If the scaleFactor of stack “myStack” is set to 2, then within(stack
> “myStack”,the screenMouseLoc) only returns true if the mouse is within the
> rect of stack “myStack” when it’s scaleFactor is set to 1.  Hope I
> explained that logically.
>
> Mac 10.12.2, LC 9.0.0 dp 6.   Worked correctly in LC 7.
>
> -Dan
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Re: Single File Deploy on Windows?

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Can an empty file placeholder be created within preOpenStack, then extract
the real DLL when it is really needed?

On Apr 3, 2017 6:34 PM, "Dan Friedman via use-livecode" <
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> So, I deliver a single file for my LC standalones on Windows.  Any
> required DLLs or other needed files are downloaded at runtime and put in
> place on launch.  However, in LC 9.0.0 it seems there is a dll, “tsNet.dll”
> that must be in place to even launch!  UG!!  Is there a way to deploy a
> Windows EXE that is a single file?   For god’s sake, please don’t make be
> use an installer!!
>
> -Dan
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Re: Mysterious customer

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Is it possible that "Artie" has his display set to a lower resolution to
compensate for vision impairment?

~Roger

On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 6:49 AM, Richmond via use-livecode <
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> I pumped out a 32-bit Mac standalone from my Char Ref stack and
>
> released it through MacUpdate as a freebie, and have had a series of
> e-mails from
>
> someone called "Artie" who says that the standalone (886 pixels high)
> won't fit on his
>
> Mac Laptop that has a screen res of 2880 x 1880.
>
> This seems odd to say the least.
>
> Richmond.
>
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Re: mergMicrophone - audio format suitable for Windows playback?

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Any add-on in the merg suite is likely to only use Apple centric formats.
I would let Windows PPT convert the audio, then if playback is suitable on
both platforms, distribute the converted file.

On Apr 11, 2017 2:53 AM, "Terry Judd via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I’m using mergMicrophone (on OSX) with default settings to record audio
> (from revSpeech) for inclusion in Powerpoint presentations, but when I open
> the PPT files on a Windows computer (so that I can export them to video,
> retaining the sound) it complains about the sound files being in an
> inappropriate format and that it needs to convert them (through some
> internal process) before it can use them. This would be ok but I’ve
> potentially got hundreds of these PPT files and need to avoid the PPT
> conversion step.
>
> Any ideas on what mergMicrophone I should be using to record the audio
> files for them to be more Windows friendly?
>
> Terry...
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Re: mergEXT

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Robot?


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> OK: now for the goofy questions . . . .
>
> 1. How do I find my robot's pUUID on a Mac?
>
>
> Richmond.
>
>
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Re: mergEXT

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

That looks really cool (for teaching)!

"PLEASE NOTE: Blue-Bot® is compatible with any iOS device with version
3.0/4.0+ EDR Bluetooth (e.g. iPad3 and later)"

So...  I would think you would use mergBLE for this.
http://mergext.com/home/mergble/

~Roger


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
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> Yup: https://www.bee-bot.us/bluebot.html
>
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=29121
>
> I really would like to control the Blue-Bot via a LiveCode front-end
> rather than the crappy interface that
> one has to pay $50 for that stinks.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
> On 4/12/17 3:58 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Robot?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> OK: now for the goofy questions . . . .
>>>
>>> 1. How do I find my robot's pUUID on a Mac?
>>>
>>>
>>> Richmond.
>>>
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Re: mergEXT

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

I have never used it, but this is in the LC forum:

try
  mergBLEStopScanningForPeripherals
catch e
  answer e
end try

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28007&p=147215&hilit=mergBLE#p147215


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I must be really stupid . . . but . . .
>
> How do I use mergBLE to get a simple list of BlueTooth devices in a
> listField?
>
> Richmond.
>
>
>
> On 4/12/17 4:08 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> That looks really cool (for teaching)!
>>
>> "PLEASE NOTE: Blue-Bot® is compatible with any iOS device with version
>> 3.0/4.0+ EDR Bluetooth (e.g. iPad3 and later)"
>>
>> So...  I would think you would use mergBLE for this.
>> http://mergext.com/home/mergble/
>>
>> ~Roger
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yup: https://www.bee-bot.us/bluebot.html
>>>
>>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=29121
>>>
>>> I really would like to control the Blue-Bot via a LiveCode front-end
>>> rather than the crappy interface that
>>> one has to pay $50 for that stinks.
>>>
>>> Richmond.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/12/17 3:58 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:
>>>
>>> Robot?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> OK: now for the goofy questions . . . .
>>>>
>>>>> 1. How do I find my robot's pUUID on a Mac?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Richmond.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: AW: vertical text?

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

That's nice, but text angle should come as standard a field property (in my
opinion).  There are many use cases for field labels or table headers to
sit on an angle for screen space consideration.

~Roger


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Paul Richards via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Not sure if this is of any help, but I came across a course by Livecode
> where they guide you through creating a rotating text Widget.
>
> https://livecode.com/courses/extension-course/  |
> https://livecode.com/lessons/rotated-text-widget/
>
> You might need to be logged into LC page
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf Of Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode
> Sent: 12 April 2017 16:14
> To: How to use LiveCode 
> Cc: jonathandly...@gmail.com; hh 
> Subject: Re: AW: vertical text?
>
> Having rotated text with transparent backgrounds could be very nice :)
>
> I was just suggesting the browser widget as the cheap and easy way.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 12, 2017, at 10:37 AM, hh via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> >> Jonathan L. wrote:
> >> This is also easy to do in a browser widget, if you don't mind the
> >> "always on top" aspect of browser widgets.
> >
> > Right, but only to a certain degree.
> >
> > LC Builder has _a lot_ of possibilities different from using the
> > javascript of a browser widget.
> >
> > The very basic widget linked above, for example ...
> > ... allows the user to select _any_ textfont on _his_ system or
> > available in the stack.
> > ... can have everything outside the rotated box transparent.
> >
> > Both is not doable in a browser widget (and not by _any_ browser).
>
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Re: AW: vertical text?

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

This is really the first mention I've seen of the resource requirements of
certain widgets.  Assuming that overhead is minimal just because it is so
darn easy to add to a stack will be our downfall.  :)

~Roger


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> hh wrote:
> >> Jonathan L. wrote:
> >> This is also easy to do in a browser widget, if you don't mind
> >> the "always on top" aspect of browser widgets.
> >
> > Right, but only to a certain degree.
> >
> > LC Builder has _a lot_ of possibilities different from using the
> > javascript of a browser widget.
> >
> > The very basic widget linked above, for example ...
> > ... allows the user to select _any_ textfont on _his_ system
> > or available in the stack.
> > ... can have everything outside the rotated box transparent.
> >
> > Both is not doable in a browser widget (and not by _any_ browser).
>
> No to mention that using a browser widget means adding an entire browser
> process to your LiveCode application.
>
> It's great when you truly need an embedded web browser, but for small
> one-offs like this I'd be reluctant to add the extra RAM and disk space
> requirements.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
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>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  
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Re: mergEXT

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

If you (or someone you know or work with) have an Android phone or tablet,
try this app.  It will scan for nearby bluetooth devices and provide a
plethora of info (including UUID) about the devices.  It even sees Monte's
"Hello World" broadcast from LiveCode when you open his MergBLE sample
stack.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.macdom.ble.blescanner

~Roger


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 2:33 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I end up with a lot of links to something called a "bluebot" which is NOT
> the "Blue-Bot": fine
> distinction, but it makes all the difference.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
> On 4/14/17 3:03 am, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> I just Googled "Blue-Bot uuid"  maybe one of the Github links will
>> point you in the right direction?
>>
>> Phil Davis
>>
>>
>> On 4/13/17 9:05 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>>> I've just spend a fair time poking around the internet and cannot find
>>> an application
>>> that can give me the UUID numbers associated with a paired Bluetooth
>>> device . . .
>>>
>>> Richmond.
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Re: mergEXT

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

My link was directly to the app I used, made by Bluepixel Technology LLP.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.macdom.ble.blescanner

~Roger


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Great, except that the Goog Play Store lists 3 "BLE Scanner" apps . . . . .
>
> When I typed the URL into the Android tablet's browser it said "webpage
> unavailable".
>
> From one of these I got: Service ffe0  Characteristic ffe1.
>
> From the second: 88:1B:99:0D:70:C1. [Your one]
>
> From the third: Something about "Rssi", listing 3 devices and no UUID
> details.
>
> HOWEVER . . .
>
> Something called 'BLE TOOL' gave me the 88 number  and then churned
> for donkey's ages .
>
> BLE Analyzer told me the 88... number is the robot's MAC address.
>
> BLE Reader gave me the MAC Address.
>
> Bluetooth Monitor listed classes: 7936, 7936, 1f00 and a very long
> SerialPort Service
> which may be a UUID (?): 1101--1000-8000-00805f9b34fb
>
> nRF Toolbox for BLR seemed overly complex.
>
> My tablet is now full of "Blehh" :)
>
> Richmond.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4/14/17 4:59 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> If you (or someone you know or work with) have an Android phone or tablet,
>> try this app.  It will scan for nearby bluetooth devices and provide a
>> plethora of info (including UUID) about the devices.  It even sees Monte's
>> "Hello World" broadcast from LiveCode when you open his MergBLE sample
>> stack.
>>
>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.macdom.ble.blescanner
>>
>> ~Roger
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 2:33 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> I end up with a lot of links to something called a "bluebot" which is NOT
>>> the "Blue-Bot": fine
>>> distinction, but it makes all the difference.
>>>
>>> Richmond.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/14/17 3:03 am, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote:
>>>
>>> I just Googled "Blue-Bot uuid"  maybe one of the Github links will
>>>> point you in the right direction?
>>>>
>>>> Phil Davis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/13/17 9:05 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've just spend a fair time poking around the internet and cannot find
>>>>> an application
>>>>> that can give me the UUID numbers associated with a paired Bluetooth
>>>>> device . . .
>>>>>
>>>>> Richmond.
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Re: Stupid Q No 999: mergeBLE

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Have you looked at the mergBLE commands in the LC dictionary?

mergBLEConnectPeripheral pUUID

Monte will likely have the answers you seek.

~Roger


On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> So, here I am with Livecode 8.1.3 Indy (owing to the generosity of a
> donor) which contains mergeBLE
>
> I also own a floor-robot (Blue-Bot), know its UUID and have
> complete documentation of commands accepted by the robot.
>
> HOWEVER, I cannot for the life of me work out HOW one would do this sort
> of thing (pseudoCode):
>
> send "AA 03 81 11 04 67" to Bluebot
>
> so the robot would move FORWARD 1 unit.
>
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Re: Stupid Q No 999: mergeBLE

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Have you simply opened the sample mergBLE.livecode stack (buried in the
LiveCode bundle) on a Mac, making sure that you have bluetooth enabled
first?

If your robot is broadcasting its information, the mergBLE stack should at
least show you something like a name, among the names of other nearby
bluetooth devices.

~Roger


On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
>
> On 4/24/17 3:54 pm, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> You may find this alternative documention of all the functions more
>> helpful in this context:
>> http://mergext.com/home/mergble/
>>
>> No, I don't.
>
> Let us just suppose, for the moment, that I want to use a button to PAIR
> my robot with my computer (not, perhaps,
> strikingly original), I would imagine (as per that almost completely
> unhelpful video) a button script something like this (pseudoCode):
>
> on mouseUp
>   scanForPeripheralsWithServices XXX
>   put XXX into fld "gubbins"
> end mouseUp
>
> but that "alternative" thing does NOT give any information as to how one
> might achieve that.
>
> Then I might like to do this:
>
> on mouseUp
>send signal[lots of hex numbers] to robot
> end mouseUp
>
> But its as clear as mud.
>
> Richmond.
>
>>
>> On 23/04/2017 21:56, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>>> " All of the addons have full documentation making it a joy to use them
>>> in
>>> your app."
>>>
>>> Well I am unfortunately missing 2 things: "full" documentation (extremely
>>> minimal in the LC Documentation stack),
>>> and the "joy": te second as a consequence of the first.
>>>
>>> Richmond.
>>>
>>> On 4/23/17 10:59 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:
>>>
>>>> Have you looked at the mergBLE commands in the LC dictionary?
>>>>
>>>> mergBLEConnectPeripheral pUUID
>>>>
>>>> Monte will likely have the answers you seek.
>>>>
>>>> ~Roger
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So, here I am with Livecode 8.1.3 Indy (owing to the generosity of a
>>>>> donor) which contains mergeBLE
>>>>>
>>>>> I also own a floor-robot (Blue-Bot), know its UUID and have
>>>>> complete documentation of commands accepted by the robot.
>>>>>
>>>>> HOWEVER, I cannot for the life of me work out HOW one would do this
>>>>> sort
>>>>> of thing (pseudoCode):
>>>>>
>>>>> send "AA 03 81 11 04 67" to Bluebot
>>>>>
>>>>> so the robot would move FORWARD 1 unit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Richmond.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: Make numberFormat even better

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

+1

And if you must introduce a arguably newer/better term, please make its
syntax more English-like and less code-like.  This _is_ LiveCode.  Cryptic
is for those other languages.  /2_cents

~Roger


On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Lagi,
>
> I can’t agree more.  Never break anyone’s code if at all possible.
> Create a new numberformat like NumberFormatXL or something
> similar.  Leave the old working stuff alone.
>
> Just my 2 cents for the day!
>
> Rick
>
> > On Apr 25, 2017, at 6:48 AM, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I don't know why you want to adapt/enhance the number format as that
> could
> > break already working code that uses the nuances of numberformat already.
> >
> > Why not add an instruction NumberFormatXL and create the an Excel version
> > like Curry says. You won't have to jump through hoops to make sure it
> > doesn't break anything, you can fix what's wrong(?) and you can add stuff
> > in there without affecting old code, plus and with Curry's experience
> with
> > spreadlib you probably have a lot of the problems to solve sorted.
> >
> > Now my usual caveat "Everything is easy for the man who doesn't have to
> do
> > it himself" - but I haven't seen anything that Mark and his team can't
> do -
> > usually the problems stem from trying no to break older stuff.
> >
> > I think in this case adding a new command would make it easier all round.
> > While you're at it why not put a callback/ or in  wordpress parlance an
> > "AddAction"  option so you can add to the formatting on the fly?
> >
> > Regards Lagi
> >
>
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Re: Make numberFormat even better

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

I wouldn't even be here if not for my introduction to English-like syntax
via HyperCard 25+ years ago.  My apparently "not very useful work" over the
past 25 years while benefiting from that very same "less complex" syntax
has kept me employed, my family clothed and fed, a roof over our heads, and
all my bills paid.  Not too bad for a less than useful old hack who rarely
has to rely on a cryptic syntax!


On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 12:57 PM, prothero--- via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> My point was to set variable types when they need to be set explicitly.
> Those who don't want to set a type can just use forget about it. Once you
> get into more scientific, numeric type applications, the precision and type
> of variables can get crucial. To me, the suggested changes to numberformat,
> adding numberformatXL, etc, just make the situation more complex rather
> than applying a simple, direct solution that is common in other programming
> languages. I see no advantage in going through extreme gymnastics to solve
> a problem that has been solved clearly in other environments. As far as I'm
> concerned, the English language-like features are great for the new
> programmer, but actually doing useful work pretty quickly deviates from
> English like syntax. I'm thinking of Adobe Director rather than C++ or
> JavaScript. To me, LC's greatest strength is in its UI support and cross
> platform capabilities.
>
> Best,
> Bill P
>
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
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on tabKey - what field contains the blinking curser?

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

How do I discover the name of the field which has received focus (blinking
edit bar cursor) when the tabKey is pressed?

~Roger
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Re: on tabKey - what field contains the blinking curser?

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Thank you, Tom!


On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 5:18 PM, tbodine via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> One way...
>
> if the focusedObject begins with "field" then
> put the focusedObject into tActiveField
> end if
>
> Tom B.
>
>
>
> --
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> 278305.n4.nabble.com/on-tabKey-what-field-contains-the-blinking-curser-
> tp4714288p4714289.html
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>
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Re: on tabKey - what field contains the blinking curser?

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

When I tab to the next field, I want to select after the field content, or
in other words place the blinking bar at the end of whatever is already
there.  By default, it is placing it in front of the field content.

On Apr 26, 2017 6:14 PM, "J. Landman Gay via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 4/26/17 3:58 PM, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> How do I discover the name of the field which has received focus (blinking
>> edit bar cursor) when the tabKey is pressed?
>>
>
> One way:
>
> on openfield
>   put the name of the target
> end openfield
>
> I'm not sure if you want to trap a message though. The selectedField will
> return identification if you're querying from inside another handler.
>
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Re: on tabKey - what field contains the blinking curser?

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Send to X in 1 ?  Is the default a millisec?


On Apr 27, 2017 1:29 PM, "J. Landman Gay via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

This seems to work:

on tabKey
  send "doSelect" to me in 1
  pass tabKey
end tabKey

on doSelect
  select after the selectedfield
end doSelect


On 4/26/17 7:21 PM, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:

> When I tab to the next field, I want to select after the field content, or
> in other words place the blinking bar at the end of whatever is already
> there.  By default, it is placing it in front of the field content.
>
> On Apr 26, 2017 6:14 PM, "J. Landman Gay via use-livecode" <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> On 4/26/17 3:58 PM, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>> How do I discover the name of the field which has received focus (blinking
>>> edit bar cursor) when the tabKey is pressed?
>>>
>>>
>> One way:
>>
>> on openfield
>>   put the name of the target
>> end openfield
>>
>> I'm not sure if you want to trap a message though. The selectedField will
>> return identification if you're querying from inside another handler.
>>
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Re: Community Coding Standards, Naming Conventions, Best Practice in LiveCode Script for community contribution work

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

i and j are about as far as I go with nested repeats.  Although sometimes I
further process the resulting tEmpList in yet another repeat loop.  It
helps me to follow my own code if I can produce a list with modifications,
and put tEmpList (into msg) before proceeding with more processing.
Personal preference.

I do like the idea of a script checker, with suggested ways to write it in
a "cleaner" way.  It would be very good for noobs who haven't yet formed
their own habits, good or bad.  There's always a better way, and sharing is
the BEST way to find it.

~Roger

On Apr 27, 2017 9:44 PM, "Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Recently, Bernd Niggeman posted a stack that
> displays LiveCode Dictionary content
> in a different way.
>
> Could Livecode Community Developers create a
> "Wizard" plugin that check scripts and suggest
> changes according to naming conventions?
>
> Notice that already exists a plugin created by
> Klaus Major that gather all scripts of a stack
> and (on user request) save these scripts as
> a text file... so this "Wizard" plugin only will
> check these scripts and analize them to warn
> developers and suggest recommended changes.
>
> Al
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Re: Creating apps directly on mobile devices

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Build it and they will come... er, download it.  :)

On Apr 29, 2017 7:25 PM, "Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> In other message threads, I have asked about a
> LiveCode Features Demo for mobile platforms.
>
> This APP/APK Demo would allows to test
> interactively every LiveCode Feature in that
> platform.
>
> But this program still do not exists...
>
> Al
>
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 7:02 PM,  wrote:
>
> > Yes!
> >
> > If they can have that, why couldn't we have LiveCodeMobileDev or
> something
> > like that?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Apr 29, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Alejandro Tejada 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Apps like Pythonista?
> > http://omz-software.com/pythonista/
> >
> > Al
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 6:41 PM,  wrote:
> >
> >> I certainly think so - not sure if Apple would balk since they don't
> like
> >> apps to import code, but I think there are some iOS development apps
> made
> >> for iOS, so maybe not an issue.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Apr 29, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Before my Ubuntu Linux computer stopped working,
> >> > I had created an Android APK with two buttons
> >> > and a single field.
> >> > The first button only opens any stack named
> >> > "test.livecode" from Android's document
> >> > folder.
> >> >
> >> > The second button script's is:
> >> >
> >> > on mouseup
> >> > do field 1
> >> > end mouseup
> >> >
> >> > Could you run an iOS app with
> >> > only these two features?
> >> >
> >> > Al
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