Re: XPDF Documentation
I think the only approach now is to run the document through an OCR applica= tion, so that the resulting text will simply be a part of the text layer. I= t makes me wonder if there is a way to make an OCR external... Bob S > On Mar 21, 2025, at 8:05 AM, Bob Sneidar wr= ote: >=20 > Thanks Paul, that is very helpful. You are correct of course, I cannot se= lect the form data. Very unfortunate. I already have a request in to see if= XPDF can be made to do so. I seem to remember however that XPDF was done b= y another developer and cannot be modified. I could be mistaken though. How= unfortunate, and short sighted though. The one thing someone would want fr= om a form is not the form but the data it contained.=20 >=20 > Bob S >=20 >=20 >> On Mar 21, 2025, at 6:56 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote: >>=20 >> To put XPDF in selection more, use >>=20 >> XPDFViewer_ChooseMouseMode "Document1",pMode -- "browse", "selection", "= image" >>=20 >> To select a range of text on (or across) page(s), use >>=20 >> XPDFViewer_Select "Document1",item 1 of tPDFPageRef,item 2 of tPDFPageRe= f,item 3 of tPDFPageRef,item 4 of tPDFPageRef >>=20 >> See the documentation for what the 4 items are above, but it's basically= startPageNum, startCharPositionNum, endPageNum, endCharPositionNum >>=20 >> However, XPDF was not designed to get the values of form fields. Unless = something was added by Monte in the intervening years since Researchware tu= rned the XPDF external over to Livecode, I don't think there is a way to ge= t form data. >>=20 >> In any case, Monte at livecode is the definitive expert who could answer= this questions for the XPDF external and the PDF Widget (if they added for= ms capability to that newer effort). >>=20 >>=20 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: XPDF Documentation
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Re: XPDF Documentation
XPDF was originally developed by Monte for Researchware, Inc. built on the open source Google PDFium library, to my specifications. Later, Livecode acquired the XPDF external (and independently, Monte) :-) Actually, the order was Livecode acquired Monte and then, I presented Livecode with an offer for the XPDF external for a developer license extension since they had already hired the XPDF developer (Monte) and I didn't really want to try to find someone else. Later still, Monte made the PDF Widget for Livecode. The idea is that the Widget would have replaced the External, but I provided Livecode with a gap-analysis showing that the Widget lacked a number of features present in the External, which I have argued should be added to the Widget if they really want to replace the External. I never included form support in what Researchware paid Monte to develop as it was not needed for our specific app (and money was and is still pretty tight in a tiny company). In general, I think enhancements (vs bug fixes) to the XPDF external or the PDF widget by Livecode has been primarily driven by professional service engagements that paid for the added features, but I don't really know. On 3/21/2025 11:06 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: Thanks Paul, that is very helpful. You are correct of course, I cannot sele= ct the form data. Very unfortunate. I already have a request in to see if X= PDF can be made to do so. I seem to remember however that XPDF was done by = another developer and cannot be modified. I could be mistaken though. How u= nfortunate, and short sighted though. The one thing someone would want from= a form is not the form but the data it contained.=20 Bob S On Mar 21, 2025, at 6:56 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode ists.runrev.com> wrote: =20 To put XPDF in selection more, use =20 XPDFViewer_ChooseMouseMode "Document1",pMode -- "browse", "selection", "i= mage" =20 To select a range of text on (or across) page(s), use =20 XPDFViewer_Select "Document1",item 1 of tPDFPageRef,item 2 of tPDFPageRef= ,item 3 of tPDFPageRef,item 4 of tPDFPageRef =20 See the documentation for what the 4 items are above, but it's basically = startPageNum, startCharPositionNum, endPageNum, endCharPositionNum =20 However, XPDF was not designed to get the values of form fields. Unless s= omething was added by Monte in the intervening years since Researchware tur= ned the XPDF external over to Livecode, I don't think there is a way to get= form data. =20 In any case, Monte at livecode is the definitive expert who could answer = this questions for the XPDF external and the PDF Widget (if they added form= s capability to that newer effort). =20 =20 On 3/20/2025 7:44 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: Hi all.=3D20 =20 I am able to load a fillable PDF form, and I see the actual form data, a= ll =3D well and good. There are functions that allow me to get the selection, b= ut =3D there is no way to select the text! I just get the hand icon for scrolli= ng =3D the page by dragging. Is there a way to switch to a selection tool?=3D20 =20 Bob S=3D =20 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscrip= tion preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode =20 =20 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscript= ion preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: XPDF Documentation
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Re: XPDF Documentation
Bob, please try to remove the spell from your email client! 8-) > Am 21.03.2025 um 16:52 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode = : >=20 > = VGhhdCBpcyBwcmVjaWNlbHkgd2hhdCBJIGhhdmUgYXNrZWQgdGhlIExDIGRldmVsb3BlcnMgZm= 9y > = LiBIb3BlZnVsbHkgdGhleSB3aWxsIGNvbnNpZGVyIGl0IGFuZCBpdCB3b27igJl0IGJlIHRvby= Bl > = eHBlbnNpdmUuIElkZWFsbHkgdGhlIGdvYWwgaXMgdG8gYmUgYWJsZSB0byBjYXB0dXJlIHRleH= Qg > = Ynkgc2VsZWN0aW5nIGFueSB0ZXh0IG9uIHRoZSBmb3JtLCBhbmQgdGhlbiDigJxyZW1lbWJlcm= lu > = Z+KAnSB0aGUgem9uZSBvZiBjYXB0dXJlIHNvIHRoZSBwcm9jZXNzIGNhbiBiZSBhdXRvbWF0ZW= Qg > = aW4gc3Vic2VxdWVudCBjYXB0dXJlcywgYnV0IHRoZSBsYXN0IHBhcnQgaXMgb3B0aW9uYWwuDQ= oN > = CkkgdHJpZWQgc2ltcGx5IHJ1bm5pbmcgdGhlIGRvY3VtZW50IHRocm91Z2ggYSBQREYgY29udm= Vy > = c2lvbiwgYnV0IHRoZSByZXN1bHRzIGFyZSBub3QgZ29vZC4gSW5zdGVhZCBvZiB0aGUgc2VsZW= N0 > = aW9uIG9mIHRleHQgYmVpbmcgc29tZXRoaW5nIGxpa2UgYSBib29rLCBsZWZ0IHRvIHJpZ2h0LC= B0 > = b3AgdG8gYm90dG9tLCBzZWxlY3RpbmcgMyB3b3JkcyBlbmRzIHVwIHNlbGVjdGluZyBoYWxmIH= Ro > = ZSBwYWdlISBBbmQgdGhlIGZvcm0gZGF0YSByZW1haW5zIGludGFjdCB3aGljaCBkb2VzbuKAmX= Qg > = aGVscCBtZS4NCg0KQW55d2F5LCBJIGhvcGUgdG8gZmluZCBhIHdheSB0byBkbyB0aGlzLCBiZW= Nh > = dXNlIGl0IHdpbGwgb3BlbiB0aGUgZG9vciB0byBhIGRvY3VtZW50IHdvcmtmbG93IHN5c3RlbS= BJ > = IHdhbnQgdG8gZGV2ZWxvcC4NCg0KQm9iIFMNCg0KDQpPbiBNYXIgMjEsIDIwMjUsIGF0IDg6Mz= kg > = QU0sIFBhdWwgRHVwdWlzIHZpYSB1c2UtbGl2ZWNvZGUgPHVzZS1saXZlY29kZUBsaXN0cy5ydW= 5y > = ZXYuY29tPiB3cm90ZToNCg0KSW4gZ2VuZXJhbCwgSSB0aGluayBlbmhhbmNlbWVudHMgKHZzIG= J1 > = ZyBmaXhlcykgdG8gdGhlIFhQREYgZXh0ZXJuYWwgb3IgdGhlIFBERiB3aWRnZXQgYnkgTGl2ZW= Nv > = ZGUgaGFzIGJlZW4gcHJpbWFyaWx5IGRyaXZlbiBieSBwcm9mZXNzaW9uYWwgc2VydmljZSBlbm= dh > = Z2VtZW50cyB0aGF0IHBhaWQgZm9yIHRoZSBhZGRlZCBmZWF0dXJlcywgYnV0IEkgZG9uJ3Qgcm= Vh > bGx5IGtub3cuDQoNCg0KDQo=3D -- Klaus Major https://www.major-k.de https://www.major-k.de/bass kl...@major-k.de ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: XPDF Documentation
Thanks Paul, that is very helpful. You are correct of course, I cannot sele= ct the form data. Very unfortunate. I already have a request in to see if X= PDF can be made to do so. I seem to remember however that XPDF was done by = another developer and cannot be modified. I could be mistaken though. How u= nfortunate, and short sighted though. The one thing someone would want from= a form is not the form but the data it contained.=20 Bob S > On Mar 21, 2025, at 6:56 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote: >=20 > To put XPDF in selection more, use >=20 > XPDFViewer_ChooseMouseMode "Document1",pMode -- "browse", "selection", "i= mage" >=20 > To select a range of text on (or across) page(s), use >=20 > XPDFViewer_Select "Document1",item 1 of tPDFPageRef,item 2 of tPDFPageRef= ,item 3 of tPDFPageRef,item 4 of tPDFPageRef >=20 > See the documentation for what the 4 items are above, but it's basically = startPageNum, startCharPositionNum, endPageNum, endCharPositionNum >=20 > However, XPDF was not designed to get the values of form fields. Unless s= omething was added by Monte in the intervening years since Researchware tur= ned the XPDF external over to Livecode, I don't think there is a way to get= form data. >=20 > In any case, Monte at livecode is the definitive expert who could answer = this questions for the XPDF external and the PDF Widget (if they added form= s capability to that newer effort). >=20 >=20 > On 3/20/2025 7:44 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: >> Hi all.=3D20 >>=20 >> I am able to load a fillable PDF form, and I see the actual form data, a= ll =3D >> well and good. There are functions that allow me to get the selection, b= ut =3D >> there is no way to select the text! I just get the hand icon for scrolli= ng =3D >> the page by dragging. Is there a way to switch to a selection tool?=3D20 >>=20 >> Bob S=3D >>=20 >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscrip= tion preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >=20 >=20 > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscript= ion preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: XPDF Documentation
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