Coomunity Edition Congratulations

[Peter Alcibiades]

Wonderful news, going to get it now, and congratulations to everyone.

Peter

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Probably not an LC issue, but…. DLL woes

[David Glasgow]

Hello folks,

A customer has reported the following error message (Win 7) on software I 
released a couple of years back.  Users of this software in double figures and 
this has never been reported before.

> The program can’t start because CoreVideo.dll is missing’
> ‘The program can’t start because CoreAudioToolbox.dll is missing’

Oddly, it doesn't happen when the standalone launches, but when the user 
attempts to load an encrypted text file containing only a list of authorised 
users.  The file is held in a folder contained within the program directory.  
It loads successfully, and the program appears to run normally.

I don't make references to DLLs or indeed any multimedia aside from displaying 
JPGs, so why the complaint?  And what might it be that can't start?  I have 
sniffed about and can see that these DLLs seem vulnerable to all sorts of 
problems - but it is still intriguing and puzzling that these particular errors 
are triggered by an LC standalone loading an encrypted text file.


Best Wishes,

David Glasgow
Carlton Glasgow Partnership

i-psych.co.uk

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Re: WOOT!

[in...@kenjikojima.com]

I cannot Activate LiveCode Community 6.0.
Does anyone have same problem?
I made two accounts of different email addresses.
But both of them did not work.
Should wait a whole?

I use Mac OS 10.6.8.

Thanks,
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> github.  Too darn cool.
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Re: WOOT!

[Tim Selander]

Kojima-san,

I have just downloaded LC 6.0, and was able to register without a 
problem. I am also on OSX 10.6.8.


But the other day, I did have a problem with my account. I tried 
to log on to the tutorial lessons, and the web site just would 
not accept my user ID (email address) and password. So I told the 
web site I had forgotten my password, and it made a new one for 
me. The new password got me into the tutorial lessons, and also 
today got LC 6.0 registered.


I don't know for sure if it will work, but maybe you could have 
the web site make a new password for you?


Regards,

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan



On 4/10/13 8:45 PM, in...@kenjikojima.com wrote:

I cannot Activate LiveCode Community 6.0.
Does anyone have same problem?
I made two accounts of different email addresses.
But both of them did not work.
Should wait a whole?

I use Mac OS 10.6.8.

Thanks,
--
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http://www.kenjikojima.com/


On Apr 9, 2013, at 10:16 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:


Downloading livecode community now, and looking through the stuff on
github.  Too darn cool.
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Re: WOOT!

[André Rombauts]

Le 10 avr. 2013 à 14:13, Tim Selander  a écrit :

> I have just downloaded LC 6.0, and was able to register without a problem. I 
> am also on OSX 10.6.8.

Is this version the same as the 6.0.0 RC 7 build 1510 I downloaded from my 
Commercial account?

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Re: WOOT!

[index]

Tim,

Thanks your advice. I tried to make a new password. 
I used one of email addresses that I registered. But it did not work again. 
I used two email addresses and every time I had to download LC Community 6 
installer.
I have many  installers now.

And I knew another Japanese user who could not activate. 

Can anybody help us?
Best Regards,
--
Kenji Kojima / 小島健治
http://www.kenjikojima.com/


On Apr 10, 2013, at 8:13 AM, Tim Selander wrote:

> Kojima-san,
> 
> I have just downloaded LC 6.0, and was able to register without a problem. I 
> am also on OSX 10.6.8.
> 
> But the other day, I did have a problem with my account. I tried to log on to 
> the tutorial lessons, and the web site just would not accept my user ID 
> (email address) and password. So I told the web site I had forgotten my 
> password, and it made a new one for me. The new password got me into the 
> tutorial lessons, and also today got LC 6.0 registered.
> 
> I don't know for sure if it will work, but maybe you could have the web site 
> make a new password for you?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/10/13 8:45 PM, in...@kenjikojima.com wrote:
>> I cannot Activate LiveCode Community 6.0.
>> Does anyone have same problem?
>> I made two accounts of different email addresses.
>> But both of them did not work.
>> Should wait a whole?
>> 
>> I use Mac OS 10.6.8.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> Kenji Kojima / 小島健治
>> http://www.kenjikojima.com/
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 9, 2013, at 10:16 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:
>> 
>>> Downloading livecode community now, and looking through the stuff on
>>> github.  Too darn cool.
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Livecode Commercial Download?

[Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel]

I am trying to find the download option for LC commercial in my store
account and it is not showing up.  My current license is less than a year
old, am I missing some type of link or does my current license not entitle
me to the 6.0 upgrade?



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Re: WOOT!

[Tim Selander]

The version I have is 6.0.0 Build 1511. I got the email from 
RunRev, and used that link to download. (I made a small Kickstart 
pledge...)


Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


On 4/10/13 10:04 PM, André Rombauts wrote:

Le 10 avr. 2013 à 14:13, Tim Selander  a écrit :


I have just downloaded LC 6.0, and was able to register without a problem. I am 
also on OSX 10.6.8.


Is this version the same as the 6.0.0 RC 7 build 1510 I downloaded from my 
Commercial account?

André



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Re: WOOT!

[Peter Alcibiades]

OK, this is how you fix it.  Go to your account on runrev, change the
password, and then use this new password to activate.  It will work.

I think its something to do with not being able to change the password from
the account creation button in the email, when you already have one
associated with that email adress.

Anyway, worked for me



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Re: WOOT!

[Warren Samples]

On 04/10/2013 08:12 AM, in...@kenjikojima.com wrote:

Can anybody help us?



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Re: WOOT!

[Peter Alcibiades]

same problem

Peter



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V6 against V5

[Francis Nugent Dixon]

Hi from very rainy (but Beautiful) Brittany,

I'm a tad confused. I bought into Revolution some
years ago (version 2), after many years of programming
in Hypercard. I love LiveCode and can't do without it !
I have my Internet sites housed in the "on-rev" service
and back up my data into my "server". But this is a paid
service (and worth every penny I laid out), and has
nothing to do with Free V6 !

I don't sell what I build (although I code every day).
I programmed professionally for many years, and
although I am retired, I still get a kick out of writing
programs. All I do stays in my computers, although I
create .app and .exe versions for ease of use with
my various computers.

Now, my questions !  What CAN'T I do with V6 (free)
LiveCode, that I CAN do with the 5.5 Personal version ?

What CAN I do with V6 (free), that I CAN'T do with my
paid 5.5 Personal version ?

If I don't lose anything with free V6 (and later), how
many current paying clients does Revolution estimate
losing with the free version (including me), with respect
to enticing new clients to try V6 and then go to the
Professional Version. Is this not an economic risk ?

I am not rocking the boat, I'm just very curious.

-Francis

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data grids interference

[André Bisseret]

Bonjour,

On cards of a stack I had a data grid (say DG1).
I added a new one (DG2)

These 2 data grids were created by scripting :
copy group "DataGrid" of group "Templates" of stack "revDataGridLibrary" to 
this card
so that there is not a Data Grid Templates substack

My problem :
when I click on a line of DG1, this line is hilited (generally with the 
expected color (yellow in my case)

Then, if I click on a line of DG2, the line is hilited (but in grey) AND a line 
is also hilited (in grey) in DG1 (not always! and without following a clear 
rule as concerns what line is hilited in DG1)

I have other stacks with 2 datagrids on the same card, without this kind of 
issue.
But I can't find what is different in my current case.

What am I missing?

Thanks a lot in advance for any help

Best regards from Genoble

André
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Re: Livecode Commercial Download?

[Mike Bonner]

the commercial is a release candidate, so you'd have to own the dev package
(the 200 thingy)  when the gm release comes out it should show up in your
acct.  Till then of course you could mess with the free community edition.
As for rights to the 6.0 upgrade, I think it does depend on your license.
 If I recall some grant rights to all point releases for that version so
6.0 might not be there. Think other licenses are time based.  So your best
option would be to write supp...@runrev.com for clarification. And if you
should have access to pre-releases, they can most likely help with that
too.


On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel <
s...@magicgate.com> wrote:

> I am trying to find the download option for LC commercial in my store
> account and it is not showing up.  My current license is less than a year
> old, am I missing some type of link or does my current license not entitle
> me to the 6.0 upgrade?
>
> 
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Re: Livecode Commercial Download?

[Roger Eller]

6.0.0-gm1 was released last night @ 9:43pm EST. according to Ben's
announcement.
~Roger

Sent from my Pipo M2
On Apr 10, 2013 11:07 AM, "Mike Bonner"  wrote:

> the commercial is a release candidate, so you'd have to own the dev package
> (the 200 thingy)  when the gm release comes out it should show up in your
> acct.  Till then of course you could mess with the free community edition.
> As for rights to the 6.0 upgrade, I think it does depend on your license.
>  If I recall some grant rights to all point releases for that version so
> 6.0 might not be there. Think other licenses are time based.  So your best
> option would be to write supp...@runrev.com for clarification. And if you
> should have access to pre-releases, they can most likely help with that
> too.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel <
> s...@magicgate.com> wrote:
>
> > I am trying to find the download option for LC commercial in my store
> > account and it is not showing up.  My current license is less than a year
> > old, am I missing some type of link or does my current license not
> entitle
> > me to the 6.0 upgrade?
> >
> > 
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Re: [OT] New pricing

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Georges Malamoud
 wrote:
> Regarding the App Store, would it be useful if Runrev makes a public 
> statement to
> Apple stating that all stacks created with the community edition of LC are 
> covered by
> the GPLv2 license (or something else) and that as the owner of the rights of 
> the
> former proprietary edition of LC, they are allowing these apps to be 
> published and will
> not fight against them ?

They don't need to make the statement:  any stack compiled with the
community edition is a derivative work and subject to the license of
the code it is including (gpl, livecode).  gcc has a specific
exclusion releasing its generated code from the gpl; without this, all
works compiled by it, by including its code, would be infected by its
license.


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Re: Livecode Commercial Download?

[Mike Bonner]

Oh. DOH. Then contacting support would be the way.


On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Roger Eller wrote:

> 6.0.0-gm1 was released last night @ 9:43pm EST. according to Ben's
> announcement.
> ~Roger
>
> Sent from my Pipo M2
> On Apr 10, 2013 11:07 AM, "Mike Bonner"  wrote:
>
> > the commercial is a release candidate, so you'd have to own the dev
> package
> > (the 200 thingy)  when the gm release comes out it should show up in your
> > acct.  Till then of course you could mess with the free community
> edition.
> > As for rights to the 6.0 upgrade, I think it does depend on your license.
> >  If I recall some grant rights to all point releases for that version so
> > 6.0 might not be there. Think other licenses are time based.  So your
> best
> > option would be to write supp...@runrev.com for clarification. And if
> you
> > should have access to pre-releases, they can most likely help with that
> > too.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel <
> > s...@magicgate.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I am trying to find the download option for LC commercial in my store
> > > account and it is not showing up.  My current license is less than a
> year
> > > old, am I missing some type of link or does my current license not
> > entitle
> > > me to the 6.0 upgrade?
> > >
> > > 
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Re: set the dgData puts grey boxes over my first column (Bump)

[Dr. Hawkins]

I am bumping this, since I asked on a weekend.  It's still happening,
and I'm dead in the water with this!

On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Dr. Hawkins  wrote:
> I didn't have this the last time I was working with datagrids.
>
> I read from my database, load an array, and
>
>  set the dgData of grp "sofaGrid" to theA
>
> loads columns 2-4, but instead of loading column 1, it puts opaque
> grey blocks in front of it (dgmask?).
>
> Huh?
>
> This worked before I changed the name to old_sofaGrid and created a
> new one to make sure I understood all the steops.
>
> This happens with every new one I try, and even to the original when I
> change its name back.
>
> What is going on here???
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Re: V6 against V5

[Jacques Hausser]

Hi Francis, 

As I understand it: what you CAN'T do with the 6 free version is to submit 
applications to the AppleStore (and generally sell or distribute applications  
without giving access to your code). What you CAN do with the 6 free version is 
to benefit of all the upcoming evolution of LC, and even dig in the code itself 
(through GitHub). What you CAN'T do is to keep your code encrypted and 
protected by password when you distribute or sell it…
With the 5.5 version, you can submit applications to the AppleStore, and 
generally sell applications with password protected code.
I'm sure that Runrev will provide arrangements or compensation for people like 
you (and me) who code mostly for fun and did pay a commercial license.

More (very detailed) information - not entirely clear, however:

   http://www.runrev.com/products/Open-Source/Which-Version-Do-I-Need

HTH

Jacques




Le 10 avr. 2013 à 16:53, Francis Nugent Dixon  a écrit :

> Hi from very rainy (but Beautiful) Brittany,
> 
> I'm a tad confused. I bought into Revolution some
> years ago (version 2), after many years of programming
> in Hypercard. I love LiveCode and can't do without it !
> I have my Internet sites housed in the "on-rev" service
> and back up my data into my "server". But this is a paid
> service (and worth every penny I laid out), and has
> nothing to do with Free V6 !
> 
> I don't sell what I build (although I code every day).
> I programmed professionally for many years, and
> although I am retired, I still get a kick out of writing
> programs. All I do stays in my computers, although I
> create .app and .exe versions for ease of use with
> my various computers.
> 
> Now, my questions !  What CAN'T I do with V6 (free)
> LiveCode, that I CAN do with the 5.5 Personal version ?
> 
> What CAN I do with V6 (free), that I CAN'T do with my
> paid 5.5 Personal version ?
> 
> If I don't lose anything with free V6 (and later), how
> many current paying clients does Revolution estimate
> losing with the free version (including me), with respect
> to enticing new clients to try V6 and then go to the
> Professional Version. Is this not an economic risk ?
> 
> I am not rocking the boat, I'm just very curious.
> 
> -Francis
> 
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Re: Livecode Commercial Download?

[François Chaplais]

I just checked the store and version 6 appears in "my products". I do not have 
a dev license.
Best,
François
Le 10 avr. 2013 à 17:46, Mike Bonner a écrit :

> Oh. DOH. Then contacting support would be the way.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Roger Eller 
> wrote:
> 
>> 6.0.0-gm1 was released last night @ 9:43pm EST. according to Ben's
>> announcement.
>> ~Roger
>> 
>> Sent from my Pipo M2
>> On Apr 10, 2013 11:07 AM, "Mike Bonner"  wrote:
>> 
>>> the commercial is a release candidate, so you'd have to own the dev
>> package
>>> (the 200 thingy)  when the gm release comes out it should show up in your
>>> acct.  Till then of course you could mess with the free community
>> edition.
>>> As for rights to the 6.0 upgrade, I think it does depend on your license.
>>> If I recall some grant rights to all point releases for that version so
>>> 6.0 might not be there. Think other licenses are time based.  So your
>> best
>>> option would be to write supp...@runrev.com for clarification. And if
>> you
>>> should have access to pre-releases, they can most likely help with that
>>> too.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel <
>>> s...@magicgate.com> wrote:
>>> 
 I am trying to find the download option for LC commercial in my store
 account and it is not showing up.  My current license is less than a
>> year
 old, am I missing some type of link or does my current license not
>>> entitle
 me to the 6.0 upgrade?
 
 
 
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RE: V6 against V5

[John Dixon]

> Subject: Re: V6 against V5
> From: jacques.haus...@unil.ch

> I'm sure that Runrev will provide arrangements or compensation for people 
> like you (and me) who code mostly for fun and did pay a commercial license.

Why should they do that ?
  
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Galactic Gauntlet crash

[William Waldman]

Hello List!
The iOS demo app Galactic Gauntlet (downloaded from the App store) has not
been working for me for some time
It just launches and crashes.
I could be so much more oppressive at cocktail parties if I could show it
on my iPhone 4S, running iOS 6.1.3

Any clues about this issue?

Thanks BW




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Open Sauce

[Richmond]

Back after a tiring day, and after pissing around for 30 minutes finally 
managed to download the

New Open Source Livecode . . .

. . . But hwta really grabbed me was an intriguing series of menu items 
on this page:


http://www.runrev.com/store/account/products/

just above the download button for the new version that run like this:

"All ProductsNew LivecodeLivecode Legacy   Other Products"

that appear to be inactive right now; is this a promise of things to come?

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Open Livecode Login

[Richmond]

So I set up LIvecode Community on Linux, tap in my email address and
the exact password I used to download the thing in the first place and 
get this:


"The password you have entered does not match that email address"

Why, if the thing is open source does it need a password in the first place?

What happens if I wish to install the thing on a coomputer that has no 
internet access?


I do not like to have to ask either of those questions because I have 
never seen Open Source software before that requires log ins (and, 
presumably, signals sent somewhere on the internet).


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Re: Open Livecode Login

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Richmond,

I was also surprised to get this screen asking me for an e-mail address and a 
password. I would like to get an explanation from RunRev. Maybe we should write 
to support?

--
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On 10 apr 2013, at 19:38, Richmond wrote:

> So I set up LIvecode Community on Linux, tap in my email address and
> the exact password I used to download the thing in the first place and get 
> this:
> 
> "The password you have entered does not match that email address"
> 
> Why, if the thing is open source does it need a password in the first place?
> 
> What happens if I wish to install the thing on a coomputer that has no 
> internet access?
> 
> I do not like to have to ask either of those questions because I have never 
> seen Open Source software before that requires log ins (and, presumably, 
> signals sent somewhere on the internet).
> 
> Richmond.



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Distinguishing between Community and Commercial editions

[Peter Haworth]

I asked this a few days back but does anyone know of a way for a script to
find out if it's running in the commercial or community edition?

I guess it could try setting the password on a stack which I assume would
fail in the community edition but that seems a bit hokey.  I'm hoping
there's a property of some sort that will identfy one from the other.

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Re: Open Livecode Login

[JB]

I thought it was odd too.

-=>JB<=-

On Apr 10, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi Richmond,
> 
> I was also surprised to get this screen asking me for an e-mail address and a 
> password. I would like to get an explanation from RunRev. Maybe we should 
> write to support?
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 10 apr 2013, at 19:38, Richmond wrote:
> 
>> So I set up LIvecode Community on Linux, tap in my email address and
>> the exact password I used to download the thing in the first place and get 
>> this:
>> 
>> "The password you have entered does not match that email address"
>> 
>> Why, if the thing is open source does it need a password in the first place?
>> 
>> What happens if I wish to install the thing on a coomputer that has no 
>> internet access?
>> 
>> I do not like to have to ask either of those questions because I have never 
>> seen Open Source software before that requires log ins (and, presumably, 
>> signals sent somewhere on the internet).
>> 
>> Richmond.
> 
> 
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Re: Open Livecode Login

[Richmond]

Hi Mark,

This really looks like a commercial company, who, despite all the 
broohahah about releasing an Open Source, Free version of their software 
cannot completely let go.


Interestingly enough, I had to reset my RunRev password, that was duly 
sent to my e-mail address,
and with that I logged in and was able to download the Linuc, Mac and 
Window versions of the new
Livecode. With that, new password I was unable to get the new version 
going (as reported eariler) and was also unable to log in to RevOnline 
with my commercial version.


I don't know what RunRev are playing at, but they do seem to be trying 
to exert some sort of control over there new "baby".


I am wondering how I am going to go about installing it on 8 machines 
(which have no internet connexion) in my school.


Paradoxically enough, RunRev version 2.2.1 for Linux that was given away 
by Oracle a few years back currently looks a lot better:


1. No need for internet connexion.

2. Code protected standalones.

Maybe I'm naive, but I understand the idea of Open Source to be to allow 
people unfettered use of
software (well, fettered only insofar as they have to make their code 
available rather than hiding it)

that can be used on a computer in almost any situation.

Software that requires both registration and a subsequent internet 
connexion does not seem to fit into that paradigm very well.


Richmond.

Richmond.

On 04/10/2013 08:42 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

Hi Richmond,

I was also surprised to get this screen asking me for an e-mail address and a 
password. I would like to get an explanation from RunRev. Maybe we should write 
to support?

--
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On 10 apr 2013, at 19:38, Richmond wrote:


So I set up LIvecode Community on Linux, tap in my email address and
the exact password I used to download the thing in the first place and get this:

"The password you have entered does not match that email address"

Why, if the thing is open source does it need a password in the first place?

What happens if I wish to install the thing on a coomputer that has no internet 
access?

I do not like to have to ask either of those questions because I have never 
seen Open Source software before that requires log ins (and, presumably, 
signals sent somewhere on the internet).

Richmond.



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RE: Open Livecode Login

[Jim MacConnell]

Doesn't bother me. Figure Livecode Community is different than Commercial so
used a different email address and new password.  Maybe a pain in the near
term but allows me to keep things separate mentally. Expect large "community
based community" that may or may not overlap with current great community.
Worst thing that happens is I get deluged by multiple emails, etc.
Jim

-Original Message-
From: Richmond [mailto:richmondmathew...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 10:39 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Open Livecode Login

So I set up LIvecode Community on Linux, tap in my email address and
the exact password I used to download the thing in the first place and 
get this:

"The password you have entered does not match that email address"

Why, if the thing is open source does it need a password in the first place?

What happens if I wish to install the thing on a coomputer that has no 
internet access?

I do not like to have to ask either of those questions because I have 
never seen Open Source software before that requires log ins (and, 
presumably, signals sent somewhere on the internet).

Richmond.

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What Am I Going to do?

[Richmond]

No password seems to work.

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Re: Open Livecode Login

[Richmond]

On 04/10/2013 09:05 PM, Jim MacConnell wrote:

Doesn't bother me. Figure Livecode Community is different than Commercial so
used a different email address and new password.


Did that; still the Licecode setup refuses to accept the password of the 
new accoung I set up from another e-mail address.


Richmond.

   Maybe a pain in the near
term but allows me to keep things separate mentally. Expect large "community
based community" that may or may not overlap with current great community.
Worst thing that happens is I get deluged by multiple emails, etc.
Jim

-Original Message-
From: Richmond [mailto:richmondmathew...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 10:39 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Open Livecode Login

So I set up LIvecode Community on Linux, tap in my email address and
the exact password I used to download the thing in the first place and
get this:

"The password you have entered does not match that email address"

Why, if the thing is open source does it need a password in the first place?

What happens if I wish to install the thing on a coomputer that has no
internet access?

I do not like to have to ask either of those questions because I have
never seen Open Source software before that requires log ins (and,
presumably, signals sent somewhere on the internet).

Richmond.

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Best Practice: Login Session on iOS

[Ender Nafi Elekçioğlu]

Hello all,  

Within all the hassle about the password problems of Community Edition 6.0,
I'm not sure if anyone has time to answer this; but I'd be glad to get some 
insights :)

As mentioned in the subject,
what's the best practice to create a login-required iOS app?
Is the below algorithm appropriate?

* get the username & password from the native input boxes

* encrypt them with *md5Digest*  
{is md5Digest secure enough or is there any other encryption options for iOS?}

* post them to a php script in the server

* php script checks the md5'ed username & password against the members table in 
a mySql database  

* get the answer of php script

* if it is ok, continue to the mainstack of app,
if it isn't then show the input screen again.  
{should I count the login attempts to prevent a possible brute-force attack
or let the php script do the check counts of login attempts?}


Is there any possible issues which I should be careful about, considering 
Apple's reviewing policies?
I read a post of Jacque (Jacqueline L.G.) in the forums as:
"I would also wonder about Apple's response. They do not allow custom licensing 
schemes, …"
What's a custom licensing scheme?
There's something as "we should be able to load a license to devices" in my 
customer's notes.
May I reply to my customer that Apple strictly forbids this?


Thanks…


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Re: Open Livecode Login

[Richmond]

Well . . .

. . . eventually, after about 60 minutes of muttering and tooth-sucking 
I managed to log in to the
Open Source version of LIvecode 6.0; obviously whatever goes behind the 
scenes on RunRev's servers
vis-a-vis passwords, while being almost instantaneous for login into 
their webpage, is rather

slow for setting up the thing.

Should I be happy?

Well, I'm not (yet, at least) as I am still tied by the requirement of 
having to have an internet connexion

for setup, and knowledge that RunRev are still tracking me.

This means, for the sake of argument, when I set up the 8 machines in my 
school for programming classes in the summer the whole process will take 
about 3-4 hours messing around with each machine
with my Internet-USB dongle courtesy of my mobile-phone supplier; going 
from machine to machine,
waiting for the dongle software to load and a connexion to be 
established, and then registering.


Possibly I will not have that trouble as, maybe, RunRev have tied each 
account to one installation only . . .


. . . and if that is so "Open" is fast becoming a word that means 
something quite different from what I have always understood it to be.


Fair forjaskit.

Richmond.

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How to make your OSS password work

[Peter Alcibiades]

Well, it worked for me.

I logged into my Rev account, changed the password, and then used this password 
and the usual email address to activate both the windows and the linux 
versions, and they went in just fine.

I think the problem may be that when you set up the account to download, it 
somehow is not in sync with your existing account on that same email address - 
if you have one.

Anyway, this worked fine.

I agree that activation is very odd for an OSS product.  I don't know of 
another case where its used.  

Peter

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Re: Open Livecode Login

[Kevin Miller]

Our position on this is that the vast majority of users are happy to log
in, and we would like to know and stay in touch (if you also permit that)
with the vast majority of you. It really helps us to know how successful
we are being if we have some data. It also helps us to detect issues
quickly, like for example a version that has an install problem.

For the minority who are not happy, well - its open. Create your own
version with no activation!

We appreciate that you do now have a choice. I hope most of you choose to
continue to use our version with activation in it. But it is up to you if
you want to remove it.

(With respect to the various issues with passwords/activations etc, we had
a glitch earlier which affected both commercial & OSS. For this we do
apologize, things should be running smoothly again now.)

Kind regards,

Kevin

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On 10/04/2013 19:47, "Richmond"  wrote:

>Well . . .
>
>. . . eventually, after about 60 minutes of muttering and tooth-sucking
>I managed to log in to the
>Open Source version of LIvecode 6.0; obviously whatever goes behind the
>scenes on RunRev's servers
>vis-a-vis passwords, while being almost instantaneous for login into
>their webpage, is rather
>slow for setting up the thing.
>
>Should I be happy?
>
>Well, I'm not (yet, at least) as I am still tied by the requirement of
>having to have an internet connexion
>for setup, and knowledge that RunRev are still tracking me.
>
>This means, for the sake of argument, when I set up the 8 machines in my
>school for programming classes in the summer the whole process will take
>about 3-4 hours messing around with each machine
>with my Internet-USB dongle courtesy of my mobile-phone supplier; going
>from machine to machine,
>waiting for the dongle software to load and a connexion to be
>established, and then registering.
>
>Possibly I will not have that trouble as, maybe, RunRev have tied each
>account to one installation only . . .
>
>. . . and if that is so "Open" is fast becoming a word that means
>something quite different from what I have always understood it to be.
>
>Fair forjaskit.
>
>Richmond.
>
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Version 1.4.0 of lcStackBrowser Released

[Peter Haworth]

I'm happy to announce the release of version 1.4.0 of lcStackBrowser, a
plugin alternative to the Livecode Application and Project Browsers. If you
haven't tried lcStackBrowser yet, there's a 30-day, fully functional demo
available here . The full release
notes for this version are
here
.

Please note that lcStackbrowser will not run in the new Livecode 6.0
Community Edition since its stacks are password protected, a feature not
supported by the Community Edition.  Testing so far shows that it is
compatible with the Livecode 6.0 Commercial Edition.

Here's a list of some of the enhancements in this release.

CUSTOMIZE THE POPUP MENUS
You can already customize the font, text size and color and background
color of the display. Now you can customize the popup menus!  Organize them
to suit your work habits by including only the commands that you need,
putting them in your preferred order, even grouping them into submenus.

IDENTIFY CUSTOM CONTROLS
Configure them to have their own unique icon of your choice, and choose
whether you wish to include their components in the display.  You can even
search for them using lcStackBrowser's powerful search tool.

SEE WHAT YOUR CARDS AND CONTROLS LOOK LIKE
Shift-click on a card or control icon to see a full size snapshot of it in
a separate window.  Works for hidden objects too.

Rather see the text of a label or simple text field than it's name, and be
able to edit it without opening its inspector?  Just set the preference on
the General tab.

QUICK REFERENCE GUIDE
Click the new Quick Reference option on the Tools menu for handy access to
information on keyboard shortcuts, drag and drop operations, mouse click
operations, and the syntax for lcStackBrowser's powerful search function.

SUPPORT FOR SHARED GROUPS
A new shared group icon distinguishes them visually from unshared groups.
Place shared groups from the card popup menu. Remove them from the control
popup menu. See any changes to them reflected in all instances of the
shared group in the display.

IMPROVED DRAG AND DROP OPERATIONS
Not new, just works more reliably. Relayer controls, move them in and out
of groups, move or copy objects.  The cursor changes when copying rather
than moving (thanks to Marty Knapp for the Plus cursor image).


Pete
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Re: Open Livecode Login

[Mark Wilcox]

Having an online login for an open source product doesn't happen for a good 
reason. When the source is available, someone will remove the login requirement.

RunRev should be allowed some faltering first steps into open source, it's not 
an easy transition and they're doing an awful lot of it very well indeed with a 
very small team.

I believe the community version should only have a login if it provides a 
benefit to end users that is clearly communicated and even then it should be 
optional.

Mark
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Re: Open Livecode Login

[Mark Wilcox]

Kevin,

Crossed your mail by being interrupted whilst typing replying on my phone.

Wouldn't it make more sense to make login optional than actively invite a fork?

Respectfully,
Mark


Kevin Miller  wrote:

>Our position on this is that the vast majority of users are happy to log
>in, and we would like to know and stay in touch (if you also permit that)
>with the vast majority of you. It really helps us to know how successful
>we are being if we have some data. It also helps us to detect issues
>quickly, like for example a version that has an install problem.
>
>For the minority who are not happy, well - its open. Create your own
>version with no activation!
>
>We appreciate that you do now have a choice. I hope most of you choose to
>continue to use our version with activation in it. But it is up to you if
>you want to remove it.
>
>(With respect to the various issues with passwords/activations etc, we had
>a glitch earlier which affected both commercial & OSS. For this we do
>apologize, things should be running smoothly again now.)
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Kevin
>
>Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
>LiveCode: Everyone can code
>
>
>
>
>On 10/04/2013 19:47, "Richmond"  wrote:
>
>>Well . . .
>>
>>. . . eventually, after about 60 minutes of muttering and tooth-sucking
>>I managed to log in to the
>>Open Source version of LIvecode 6.0; obviously whatever goes behind the
>>scenes on RunRev's servers
>>vis-a-vis passwords, while being almost instantaneous for login into
>>their webpage, is rather
>>slow for setting up the thing.
>>
>>Should I be happy?
>>
>>Well, I'm not (yet, at least) as I am still tied by the requirement of
>>having to have an internet connexion
>>for setup, and knowledge that RunRev are still tracking me.
>>
>>This means, for the sake of argument, when I set up the 8 machines in my
>>school for programming classes in the summer the whole process will take
>>about 3-4 hours messing around with each machine
>>with my Internet-USB dongle courtesy of my mobile-phone supplier; going
>>from machine to machine,
>>waiting for the dongle software to load and a connexion to be
>>established, and then registering.
>>
>>Possibly I will not have that trouble as, maybe, RunRev have tied each
>>account to one installation only . . .
>>
>>. . . and if that is so "Open" is fast becoming a word that means
>>something quite different from what I have always understood it to be.
>>
>>Fair forjaskit.
>>
>>Richmond.
>>
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Re: Open Livecode Login

[Devin Asay]

On Apr 10, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> Our position on this is that the vast majority of users are happy to log
> in, and we would like to know and stay in touch (if you also permit that)
> with the vast majority of you. It really helps us to know how successful
> we are being if we have some data. It also helps us to detect issues
> quickly, like for example a version that has an install problem.
> 
> For the minority who are not happy, well - its open. Create your own
> version with no activation!
> 
> We appreciate that you do now have a choice. I hope most of you choose to
> continue to use our version with activation in it. But it is up to you if
> you want to remove it.
> 
> (With respect to the various issues with passwords/activations etc, we had
> a glitch earlier which affected both commercial & OSS. For this we do
> apologize, things should be running smoothly again now.)


Kevin,

Will there still be a way to install LiveCode in computer labs without having 
to register each copy individually? I didn't see a way, for example, to 
download a license file that can be used to do a command line activation, as we 
can with the previous versions.

Regards,

Devin

Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University


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Re: Open Livecode Login

[David C.]

In regard to the questions about installation and activation on computers
without internet access, the release notes for the OSS version states:

Activation
The licensing system ties your product licenses to a customer account
system, meaning that you no
longer have to worry about finding a license key after installing a new
copy of LiveCode. Instead,
you simply have to enter your email address and password that has been
registered with our
customer account system and your license key will be retrieved
automatically.

Alternatively it is possible to activate the product via the use of a
specially encrypted license file.
These will be available for download from the customer center after logging
into your account. This
method will allow the product to be installed on machines that do not have
access to the internet.

Regards,
David C.


On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Richmond wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> This really looks like a commercial company, who, despite all the
> broohahah about releasing an Open Source, Free version of their software
> cannot completely let go.
>
> Interestingly enough, I had to reset my RunRev password, that was duly
> sent to my e-mail address,
> and with that I logged in and was able to download the Linuc, Mac and
> Window versions of the new
> Livecode. With that, new password I was unable to get the new version
> going (as reported eariler) and was also unable to log in to RevOnline with
> my commercial version.
>
> I don't know what RunRev are playing at, but they do seem to be trying to
> exert some sort of control over there new "baby".
>
> I am wondering how I am going to go about installing it on 8 machines
> (which have no internet connexion) in my school.
>
> Paradoxically enough, RunRev version 2.2.1 for Linux that was given away
> by Oracle a few years back currently looks a lot better:
>
> 1. No need for internet connexion.
>
> 2. Code protected standalones.
>
> Maybe I'm naive, but I understand the idea of Open Source to be to allow
> people unfettered use of
> software (well, fettered only insofar as they have to make their code
> available rather than hiding it)
> that can be used on a computer in almost any situation.
>
> Software that requires both registration and a subsequent internet
> connexion does not seem to fit into that paradigm very well.
>
> Richmond.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
> On 04/10/2013 08:42 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
>
>> Hi Richmond,
>>
>> I was also surprised to get this screen asking me for an e-mail address
>> and a password. I would like to get an explanation from RunRev. Maybe we
>> should write to support?
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Mark Schonewille
>>
>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>> Twitter: 
>> http://twitter.com/**xtalkprogrammer
>> KvK: 50277553
>>
>> Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other
>> colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com
>>
>> We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a
>> quote.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10 apr 2013, at 19:38, Richmond wrote:
>>
>>  So I set up LIvecode Community on Linux, tap in my email address and
>>> the exact password I used to download the thing in the first place and
>>> get this:
>>>
>>> "The password you have entered does not match that email address"
>>>
>>> Why, if the thing is open source does it need a password in the first
>>> place?
>>>
>>> What happens if I wish to install the thing on a coomputer that has no
>>> internet access?
>>>
>>> I do not like to have to ask either of those questions because I have
>>> never seen Open Source software before that requires log ins (and,
>>> presumably, signals sent somewhere on the internet).
>>>
>>> Richmond.
>>>
>>
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Re: Open Livecode Login

[Joe Hamburger]

Hi Richmond,

I'm also having the same log in problem you described. It works fine on my 
desktop, but I can't open livecode on my Mac laptop. I even changed my password 
several times and verified my email address they have on file. I hope we find 
out what's wrong soon.

Joe
Orlando, FL

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 10, 2013, at 4:48 PM, "David C."  wrote:

> In regard to the questions about installation and activation on computers
> without internet access, the release notes for the OSS version states:
> 
> Activation
> The licensing system ties your product licenses to a customer account
> system, meaning that you no
> longer have to worry about finding a license key after installing a new
> copy of LiveCode. Instead,
> you simply have to enter your email address and password that has been
> registered with our
> customer account system and your license key will be retrieved
> automatically.
> 
> Alternatively it is possible to activate the product via the use of a
> specially encrypted license file.
> These will be available for download from the customer center after logging
> into your account. This
> method will allow the product to be installed on machines that do not have
> access to the internet.
> 
> Regards,
> David C.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Richmond wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> This really looks like a commercial company, who, despite all the
>> broohahah about releasing an Open Source, Free version of their software
>> cannot completely let go.
>> 
>> Interestingly enough, I had to reset my RunRev password, that was duly
>> sent to my e-mail address,
>> and with that I logged in and was able to download the Linuc, Mac and
>> Window versions of the new
>> Livecode. With that, new password I was unable to get the new version
>> going (as reported eariler) and was also unable to log in to RevOnline with
>> my commercial version.
>> 
>> I don't know what RunRev are playing at, but they do seem to be trying to
>> exert some sort of control over there new "baby".
>> 
>> I am wondering how I am going to go about installing it on 8 machines
>> (which have no internet connexion) in my school.
>> 
>> Paradoxically enough, RunRev version 2.2.1 for Linux that was given away
>> by Oracle a few years back currently looks a lot better:
>> 
>> 1. No need for internet connexion.
>> 
>> 2. Code protected standalones.
>> 
>> Maybe I'm naive, but I understand the idea of Open Source to be to allow
>> people unfettered use of
>> software (well, fettered only insofar as they have to make their code
>> available rather than hiding it)
>> that can be used on a computer in almost any situation.
>> 
>> Software that requires both registration and a subsequent internet
>> connexion does not seem to fit into that paradigm very well.
>> 
>> Richmond.
>> 
>> Richmond.
>> 
>> 
>> On 04/10/2013 08:42 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Richmond,
>>> 
>>> I was also surprised to get this screen asking me for an e-mail address
>>> and a password. I would like to get an explanation from RunRev. Maybe we
>>> should write to support?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Mark Schonewille
>>> 
>>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>>> Twitter: 
>>> http://twitter.com/**xtalkprogrammer
>>> KvK: 50277553
>>> 
>>> Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other
>>> colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com
>>> 
>>> We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a
>>> quote.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10 apr 2013, at 19:38, Richmond wrote:
>>> 
>>> So I set up LIvecode Community on Linux, tap in my email address and
 the exact password I used to download the thing in the first place and
 get this:
 
 "The password you have entered does not match that email address"
 
 Why, if the thing is open source does it need a password in the first
 place?
 
 What happens if I wish to install the thing on a coomputer that has no
 internet access?
 
 I do not like to have to ask either of those questions because I have
 never seen Open Source software before that requires log ins (and,
 presumably, signals sent somewhere on the internet).
 
 Richmond.
 
>>> 
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Re: Version 1.4.0 of lcStackBrowser Released

[Mark Talluto]

On Apr 10, 2013, at 12:45 PM, Peter Haworth  wrote:

> I'm happy to announce the release of version 1.4.0 of lcStackBrowser, a
> plugin alternative to the Livecode Application and Project Browsers. If you
> haven't tried lcStackBrowser yet, there's a 30-day, fully functional demo
> available here . The full release
> notes for this version are
> here

Very cool Peter!  Looking forward to using this wonderful update.


Best regards,

Mark Talluto
canelasoftware.com

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Can't retrieve a text file from a remote CGI folder

[J. Landman Gay]

Wrapping up my recent move to a different 32-bit server, there's one 
issue left. Linux gurus, can you help?


CGI text-based scripts are now working correctly except for an issue I 
can't identify. When writing to a log file, a server 500 error occurs 
immediately after the write. Here's a test script:


#!rev -ui

on startup
  open file "log.txt" for append
  write "this is a test" & cr to file "log.txt"
  close file "log.txt"
  put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr
  put "done writing"
end startup

When called from a browser, the entry is written to the log file and a 
500 error is reported. "done writing" never appears.


If I log in via ssh and run the script, there are no errors and it works 
fine. I see "done writing" in the console.


In a stack on my Mac, if I use "get url" to try to retrieve the content 
of the log file, it returns a 500 error. The same script correctly 
returns any other file content on the site as long as it isn't in the 
CGI folder. This returns a 500 error:


put url "http://name:passw...@hyperactivesw.com/cgi-bin/log.txt";

With ssh, I can read the text file just fine using "less".

I have a subdomain that also has a cgi-bin folder. Retrieving a text 
file from there works fine with "get url". It has the same permissions 
as the home cgi-bin folder, as do all their respective files. Everything 
is 755.


Ideas? The scripts have been working fine for years, so the problem 
isn't in the code. It has to be in the server setup but I don't know 
enough about it to guess.


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Re: Can't retrieve a text file from a remote CGI folder

[Pierre Sahores]

Jacque,

In my own configs, only the cgi-bin directory is set to 755 while any lc or 
irev scripts are in 644. Else, what happen if you set the written file outside 
of the cgi-bin directory ?

Le 11 avr. 2013 à 01:17, J. Landman Gay a écrit :

> Wrapping up my recent move to a different 32-bit server, there's one issue 
> left. Linux gurus, can you help?
> 
> CGI text-based scripts are now working correctly except for an issue I can't 
> identify. When writing to a log file, a server 500 error occurs immediately 
> after the write. Here's a test script:
> 
> #!rev -ui
> 
> on startup
>  open file "log.txt" for append
>  write "this is a test" & cr to file "log.txt"
>  close file "log.txt"
>  put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr
>  put "done writing"
> end startup
> 
> When called from a browser, the entry is written to the log file and a 500 
> error is reported. "done writing" never appears.
> 
> If I log in via ssh and run the script, there are no errors and it works 
> fine. I see "done writing" in the console.
> 
> In a stack on my Mac, if I use "get url" to try to retrieve the content of 
> the log file, it returns a 500 error. The same script correctly returns any 
> other file content on the site as long as it isn't in the CGI folder. This 
> returns a 500 error:
> 
> put url "http://name:passw...@hyperactivesw.com/cgi-bin/log.txt";
> 
> With ssh, I can read the text file just fine using "less".
> 
> I have a subdomain that also has a cgi-bin folder. Retrieving a text file 
> from there works fine with "get url". It has the same permissions as the home 
> cgi-bin folder, as do all their respective files. Everything is 755.
> 
> Ideas? The scripts have been working fine for years, so the problem isn't in 
> the code. It has to be in the server setup but I don't know enough about it 
> to guess.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Fwd: Can't retrieve a text file from a remote CGI folder

[Pierre Sahores]

Jacque,

In my own configs, only the cgi-bin directory is set to 755 while any lc or 
irev scripts lying inside this cgi-bin dir are in 644. Else, what happen if you 
set the written file outside of the cgi-bin directory ?
> 
> Le 11 avr. 2013 à 01:17, J. Landman Gay a écrit :
> 
>> Wrapping up my recent move to a different 32-bit server, there's one issue 
>> left. Linux gurus, can you help?
>> 
>> CGI text-based scripts are now working correctly except for an issue I can't 
>> identify. When writing to a log file, a server 500 error occurs immediately 
>> after the write. Here's a test script:
>> 
>> #!rev -ui
>> 
>> on startup
>> open file "log.txt" for append
>> write "this is a test" & cr to file "log.txt"
>> close file "log.txt"
>> put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr
>> put "done writing"
>> end startup
>> 
>> When called from a browser, the entry is written to the log file and a 500 
>> error is reported. "done writing" never appears.
>> 
>> If I log in via ssh and run the script, there are no errors and it works 
>> fine. I see "done writing" in the console.
>> 
>> In a stack on my Mac, if I use "get url" to try to retrieve the content of 
>> the log file, it returns a 500 error. The same script correctly returns any 
>> other file content on the site as long as it isn't in the CGI folder. This 
>> returns a 500 error:
>> 
>> put url "http://name:passw...@hyperactivesw.com/cgi-bin/log.txt";
>> 
>> With ssh, I can read the text file just fine using "less".
>> 
>> I have a subdomain that also has a cgi-bin folder. Retrieving a text file 
>> from there works fine with "get url". It has the same permissions as the 
>> home cgi-bin folder, as do all their respective files. Everything is 755.
>> 
>> Ideas? The scripts have been working fine for years, so the problem isn't in 
>> the code. It has to be in the server setup but I don't know enough about it 
>> to guess.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> 
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Re: Can't retrieve a text file from a remote CGI folder

[Dave Cragg]

On 11 Apr 2013, at 00:17, J. Landman Gay  wrote:

> Wrapping up my recent move to a different 32-bit server, there's one issue 
> left. Linux gurus, can you help?
> 
> CGI text-based scripts are now working correctly except for an issue I can't 
> identify. When writing to a log file, a server 500 error occurs immediately 
> after the write. Here's a test script:
> 
> #!rev -ui
> 
> on startup
>  open file "log.txt" for append
>  write "this is a test" & cr to file "log.txt"
>  close file "log.txt"
>  put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr
>  put "done writing"
> end startup
> 
> When called from a browser, the entry is written to the log file and a 500 
> error is reported. "done writing" never appears.


Does it make a difference if you put another cr after the header? 

on startup
 open file "log.txt" for append
 write "this is a test" & cr to file "log.txt"
 close file "log.txt"
 put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr
 put cr
 put "done writing"
end startup

Dave



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Re: Can't retrieve a text file from a remote CGI folder

[Pierre Sahores]

Jacque,

Seems that the best is always to have the cgi-bin dir set to 555 instead of 755 
if possible. Works for me in 555 instead of what i wrote by error in my first 
report.

Le 11 avr. 2013 à 01:48, Dave Cragg a écrit :

> On 11 Apr 2013, at 00:17, J. Landman Gay  wrote:
> 
>> Wrapping up my recent move to a different 32-bit server, there's one issue 
>> left. Linux gurus, can you help?
>> 
>> CGI text-based scripts are now working correctly except for an issue I can't 
>> identify. When writing to a log file, a server 500 error occurs immediately 
>> after the write. Here's a test script:
>> 
>> #!rev -ui
>> 
>> on startup
>> open file "log.txt" for append
>> write "this is a test" & cr to file "log.txt"
>> close file "log.txt"
>> put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr
>> put "done writing"
>> end startup
>> 
>> When called from a browser, the entry is written to the log file and a 500 
>> error is reported. "done writing" never appears.
> 
> 
> Does it make a difference if you put another cr after the header? 
> 
> on startup
> open file "log.txt" for append
> write "this is a test" & cr to file "log.txt"
> close file "log.txt"
> put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr
> put cr
> put "done writing"
> end startup
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
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Re: Can't retrieve a text file from a remote CGI folder

[Pierre Sahores]

Double mistake : my cgi-bin dir needs 755

Le 11 avr. 2013 à 01:57, Pierre Sahores a écrit :

> Jacque,
> 
> Seems that the best is always to have the cgi-bin dir set to 555 instead of 
> 755 if possible. Works for me in 555 instead of what i wrote by error in my 
> first report.
> 
> Le 11 avr. 2013 à 01:48, Dave Cragg a écrit :
> 
>> On 11 Apr 2013, at 00:17, J. Landman Gay  wrote:
>> 
>>> Wrapping up my recent move to a different 32-bit server, there's one issue 
>>> left. Linux gurus, can you help?
>>> 
>>> CGI text-based scripts are now working correctly except for an issue I 
>>> can't identify. When writing to a log file, a server 500 error occurs 
>>> immediately after the write. Here's a test script:
>>> 
>>> #!rev -ui
>>> 
>>> on startup
>>> open file "log.txt" for append
>>> write "this is a test" & cr to file "log.txt"
>>> close file "log.txt"
>>> put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr
>>> put "done writing"
>>> end startup
>>> 
>>> When called from a browser, the entry is written to the log file and a 500 
>>> error is reported. "done writing" never appears.
>> 
>> 
>> Does it make a difference if you put another cr after the header? 
>> 
>> on startup
>> open file "log.txt" for append
>> write "this is a test" & cr to file "log.txt"
>> close file "log.txt"
>> put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr
>> put cr
>> put "done writing"
>> end startup
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
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Re: Can't retrieve a text file from a remote CGI folder

[stephen barncard]

 I have to set most of the permissions on Livecode server files and
directories after expanding the zip; so I made an graphic to help which I
will share:

http://media.barncard.com/downloads/LIVECODE-SERVER-SETUP.pdf


On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:

> Double mistake : my cgi-bin dir needs 755
>
> Le 11 avr. 2013 à 01:57, Pierre Sahores a écrit :
>
> > Jacque,
> >
> > Seems that the best is always to have the cgi-bin dir set to 555 instead
> of 755 if possible. Works for me in 555 instead of what i wrote by error in
> my first report.
> >
> > Le 11 avr. 2013 à 01:48, Dave Cragg a écrit :
> >
> >> On 11 Apr 2013, at 00:17, J. Landman Gay 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Wrapping up my recent move to a different 32-bit server, there's one
> issue left. Linux gurus, can you help?
> >>>
> >>> CGI text-based scripts are now working correctly except for an issue I
> can't identify. When writing to a log file, a server 500 error occurs
> immediately after the write. Here's a test script:
> >>>
> >>> #!rev -ui
> >>>
> >>> on startup
> >>> open file "log.txt" for append
> >>> write "this is a test" & cr to file "log.txt"
> >>> close file "log.txt"
> >>> put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr
> >>> put "done writing"
> >>> end startup
> >>>
> >>> When called from a browser, the entry is written to the log file and a
> 500 error is reported. "done writing" never appears.
> >>
> >>
> >> Does it make a difference if you put another cr after the header?
> >>
> >> on startup
> >> open file "log.txt" for append
> >> write "this is a test" & cr to file "log.txt"
> >> close file "log.txt"
> >> put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr
> >> put cr
> >> put "done writing"
> >> end startup
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: Can't retrieve a text file from a remote CGI folder

[stephen barncard]

sorry I mis-read the OP...


On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:20 PM, stephen barncard <
stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com> wrote:

>  I have to set most of the permissions on Livecode server files and
> directories after expanding the zip; so I made an graphic to help which I
> will share:
>
> http://media.barncard.com/downloads/LIVECODE-SERVER-SETUP.pdf
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Pierre Sahores 
> wrote:
>
>> Double mistake : my cgi-bin dir needs 755
>>
>> Le 11 avr. 2013 à 01:57, Pierre Sahores a écrit :
>>
>> > Jacque,
>> >
>> > Seems that the best is always to have the cgi-bin dir set to 555
>> instead of 755 if possible. Works for me in 555 instead of what i wrote by
>> error in my first report.
>> >
>> > Le 11 avr. 2013 à 01:48, Dave Cragg a écrit :
>> >
>> >> On 11 Apr 2013, at 00:17, J. Landman Gay 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Wrapping up my recent move to a different 32-bit server, there's one
>> issue left. Linux gurus, can you help?
>> >>>
>> >>> CGI text-based scripts are now working correctly except for an issue
>> I can't identify. When writing to a log file, a server 500 error occurs
>> immediately after the write. Here's a test script:
>> >>>
>> >>> #!rev -ui
>> >>>
>> >>> on startup
>> >>> open file "log.txt" for append
>> >>> write "this is a test" & cr to file "log.txt"
>> >>> close file "log.txt"
>> >>> put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr
>> >>> put "done writing"
>> >>> end startup
>> >>>
>> >>> When called from a browser, the entry is written to the log file and
>> a 500 error is reported. "done writing" never appears.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Does it make a difference if you put another cr after the header?
>> >>
>> >> on startup
>> >> open file "log.txt" for append
>> >> write "this is a test" & cr to file "log.txt"
>> >> close file "log.txt"
>> >> put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr
>> >> put cr
>> >> put "done writing"
>> >> end startup
>> >>
>> >> Dave
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: Open Livecode Login

[ilivecode]

> Create your own version with no activation! [...]
> But it is up to you if you want to remove it.

Where are the instructions on how to remove "activation" from the install?
I find it absurd that any open source software requires me to give the
originator my personal information. (I contributed U.S. $50 to the
kickstart.) Are you just wanting to spam everyone til the end of time? I
question your motives. Sure pisses me off.

Sincerely,

ilsa



On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Kevin Miller  wrote:

> Our position on this is that the vast majority of users are happy to log
> in, and we would like to know and stay in touch (if you also permit that)
> with the vast majority of you. It really helps us to know how successful
> we are being if we have some data. It also helps us to detect issues
> quickly, like for example a version that has an install problem.
>
> For the minority who are not happy, well - its open. Create your own
> version with no activation!
>
> We appreciate that you do now have a choice. I hope most of you choose to
> continue to use our version with activation in it. But it is up to you if
> you want to remove it.
>
> (With respect to the various issues with passwords/activations etc, we had
> a glitch earlier which affected both commercial & OSS. For this we do
> apologize, things should be running smoothly again now.)
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> LiveCode: Everyone can code
>
>
>
>
> On 10/04/2013 19:47, "Richmond"  wrote:
>
> >Well . . .
> >
> >. . . eventually, after about 60 minutes of muttering and tooth-sucking
> >I managed to log in to the
> >Open Source version of LIvecode 6.0; obviously whatever goes behind the
> >scenes on RunRev's servers
> >vis-a-vis passwords, while being almost instantaneous for login into
> >their webpage, is rather
> >slow for setting up the thing.
> >
> >Should I be happy?
> >
> >Well, I'm not (yet, at least) as I am still tied by the requirement of
> >having to have an internet connexion
> >for setup, and knowledge that RunRev are still tracking me.
> >
> >This means, for the sake of argument, when I set up the 8 machines in my
> >school for programming classes in the summer the whole process will take
> >about 3-4 hours messing around with each machine
> >with my Internet-USB dongle courtesy of my mobile-phone supplier; going
> >from machine to machine,
> >waiting for the dongle software to load and a connexion to be
> >established, and then registering.
> >
> >Possibly I will not have that trouble as, maybe, RunRev have tied each
> >account to one installation only . . .
> >
> >. . . and if that is so "Open" is fast becoming a word that means
> >something quite different from what I have always understood it to be.
> >
> >Fair forjaskit.
> >
> >Richmond.
> >
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Open Source Server Download

[Peter W A Wood]

I don't want to download the full open-source version of LiveCode just yet but 
I do want to download the server version. Could some kind person let me know 
the URL from which I can get it?

Thanks.

Peter
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Re: Open Source Server Download

[Peter W A Wood]

Don't worry I found the reference on the Developer list.

Sorry for the noise.

Regards

Peter
http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com


On 11 Apr 2013, at 08:59, Peter W A Wood wrote:

> I don't want to download the full open-source version of LiveCode just yet 
> but I do want to download the server version. Could some kind person let me 
> know the URL from which I can get it?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Peter
> http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com



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Re: Version 1.4.0 of lcStackBrowser Released

[Roger Guay]

Very nice, Peter!!


On Apr 10, 2013, at 12:45 PM, Peter Haworth  wrote:

> I'm happy to announce the release of version 1.4.0 of lcStackBrowser, a
> plugin alternative to the Livecode Application and Project Browsers. If you
> haven't tried lcStackBrowser yet, there's a 30-day, fully functional demo
> available here . The full release
> notes for this version are
> here
> .


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Re: Can't retrieve a text file from a remote CGI folder

[J. Landman Gay]

On 4/10/13 6:48 PM, Dave Cragg wrote:


Does it make a difference if you put another cr after the header?

on startup
  open file "log.txt" for append
  write "this is a test" & cr to file "log.txt"
  close file "log.txt"
  put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr
  put cr
  put "done writing"
end startup


Oh geez. Yeah, it does. I've been at this so long I can't read any more. 
Thanks.


Maybe you can tell me what's wrong with this then? Sent from a stack on 
my Mac:


put "http://NAME:p...@hyperactivesw.com/cgi-bin/log.txt"; into tURL
put url tUrl into fld 1

Is it that you can't directly read text files from the cgi folder? I 
don't usually do that, but someone else had the same problem so I 
started testing it.


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Re: Can't retrieve a text file from a remote CGI folder

[stephen barncard]

I think the cgi folder is special (read only) to Apache for security by
design. I've never been able to write to it except by FTP.  But I didn't
try that hard 


On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 7:37 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 4/10/13 6:48 PM, Dave Cragg wrote:
>
>  Does it make a difference if you put another cr after the header?
>>
>> on startup
>>   open file "log.txt" for append
>>   write "this is a test" & cr to file "log.txt"
>>   close file "log.txt"
>>   put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr
>>   put cr
>>   put "done writing"
>> end startup
>>
>
> Oh geez. Yeah, it does. I've been at this so long I can't read any more.
> Thanks.
>
> Maybe you can tell me what's wrong with this then? Sent from a stack on my
> Mac:
>
> put 
> "http://NAME:PASS@**hyperactivesw.com/cgi-bin/log.**txt"
> into tURL
> put url tUrl into fld 1
>
> Is it that you can't directly read text files from the cgi folder? I don't
> usually do that, but someone else had the same problem so I started testing
> it.
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Re: Can't retrieve a text file from a remote CGI folder

[J. Landman Gay]

On 4/10/13 6:41 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:

Jacque,

Else, what happen if you set the
written file outside of the cgi-bin directory ?


The write error was my script. . But I still don't know why I 
can't retrieve the text file from a LiveCode stack if the file is in the 
cgi folder.


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Re: Can't retrieve a text file from a remote CGI folder

[J. Landman Gay]

On 4/10/13 9:52 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

I think the cgi folder is special (read only) to Apache for security by
design. I've never been able to write to it except by FTP.  But I didn't
try that hard 


But I do only want to read from it. I think you're right that 
permissions won't allow remote reading, otherwise anyone could read the 
scripts in there.


Except...by supplying my user name and password in the url, I'm 
identifying myself as the owner, and the owner does have full permissions.


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Re: Can't retrieve a text file from a remote CGI folder

[Shawn Blc]

The cgi-bin is primarily for scripts to be executed.  Try to put your text
file outside of the cgi- bin and read it from there.



On Wednesday, April 10, 2013, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 4/10/13 9:52 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
>
>> I think the cgi folder is special (read only) to Apache for security by
>> design. I've never been able to write to it except by FTP.  But I didn't
>> try that hard 
>>
>
> But I do only want to read from it. I think you're right that permissions
> won't allow remote reading, otherwise anyone could read the scripts in
> there.
>
> Except...by supplying my user name and password in the url, I'm
> identifying myself as the owner, and the owner does have full permissions.
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Google Voice

[Takashi Yoshino]

I would like to incorporate Google Voice in my Android App.

Can LiveCode support to use Google Voice in a Android App?
_.__ ._ _. ._ ._.__ .. ._._. _._ . ..__ ._.__ ._._. ___. .._ __.. __ .._ 
Takashi Yoshino 
http://www.wakayama-u.ac.jp/~yoshino/lab/
Tel: +81-73-457-8441


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Re: Galactic Gauntlet crash

[J. Landman Gay]

On 4/10/13 12:19 PM, William Waldman wrote:

Hello List!
The iOS demo app Galactic Gauntlet (downloaded from the App store) has not
been working for me for some time
It just launches and crashes.
I could be so much more oppressive at cocktail parties if I could show it
on my iPhone 4S, running iOS 6.1.3

Any clues about this issue?


When iOS 6 came out, LiveCode apps needed to be recompiled with version 
5.5.4. RR will have to do that and re-submit to the App Store.


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Re: Best Practice: Login Session on iOS

[J. Landman Gay]

On 4/10/13 1:53 PM, Ender Nafi Elekçioğlu wrote:


Is there any possible issues which I should be careful about,
considering Apple's reviewing policies? I read a post of Jacque
(Jacqueline L.G.) in the forums as: "I would also wonder about
Apple's response. They do not allow custom licensing schemes, …"
What's a custom licensing scheme?


You can't have a licensing or registration system of your own, you must 
rely on Apple to verify that your users have the right to run your app. 
Apple's method is pretty secure and you can usually trust that anyone 
who launches your app has also obtained it legally from the App Store.



There's something as "we should be
able to load a license to devices" in my customer's notes. May I
reply to my customer that Apple strictly forbids this?


Yes, I think so. The license is provided by Apple when the customer 
purchases the app. Apple says they will reject apps that don't use their 
licensing system.


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How to get rid of RevTools window and switch to Browse tool at launch

[Emmett Gray]

I had a script that worked in Rev Media 4 which closed the splash screen, 
switched to the browse tool and closed the revtools window when I launched my 
main daily-use stack from the Finder, with rev media not running already. It 
doesn't work in LiveCode 6.

After some struggle, this works, at the end of "on openStack":
answer "Initializing..." with "OK"
type "9" with commandKey
type "t" with commandKey

If I leave out the "answer" step, it doesn't work. It needs that pause while 
the splash screen disappears. If I try to tell it to wait, that doesn't work 
either, it just hangs with the splash screen visible. Then I have to type the 
commands to get the tool I want and the tools window to close

TIA for help.

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Re: Can't retrieve a text file from a remote CGI folder

[Mark Wieder]

Jacque-

Wednesday, April 10, 2013, 8:08:41 PM, you wrote:

> But I do only want to read from it. I think you're right that
> permissions won't allow remote reading, otherwise anyone could read the
> scripts in there.

I was gonna suggest that, except you said the scripts have been
working for years. I wouldn't put anything like that into the cgi-bin
folder, since I think browsers don't by design have access to it
unless you really screw up the permissions.

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Re: How to get rid of RevTools window and switch to Browse tool at launch

[Mark Wieder]

Emmett-

Wednesday, April 10, 2013, 9:21:38 PM, you wrote:

> I had a script that worked in Rev Media 4 which closed the splash

RevMedia... that's nostalgic...

anyway, how about the command
close stack "revTools"
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Re: Can't retrieve a text file from a remote CGI folder

[J. Landman Gay]

On 4/10/13 11:39 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

Jacque-

Wednesday, April 10, 2013, 8:08:41 PM, you wrote:


But I do only want to read from it. I think you're right that
permissions won't allow remote reading, otherwise anyone could read the
scripts in there.


I was gonna suggest that, except you said the scripts have been
working for years. I wouldn't put anything like that into the cgi-bin
folder, since I think browsers don't by design have access to it
unless you really screw up the permissions.



No browsers are involved. It's kind of a long story, and couple of 
things got conflated in the confusion. My cgi scripts have been working 
for years, and they read/write to a log file that lives in the main cgi 
folder. Someone with the same server issues I had asked me why his 
logging script was failing. I didn't want to test with my main logging 
script, which is doing some real business, so I wrote that test script 
and it failed. I assumed my real one was failing too, but it turned out 
my test had a missing carriage return.


Also, the person wants to retrieve his log file using a "get url" 
command in a button in a stack. I've been doing that for ages, and it 
still does work for me, with one difference: the file I retrieve is in a 
cgi folder in a subdomain. So I tried to get a text file from the main 
cgi folder instead, and it does fail there. I'm wondering why I can 
access a file from a subdomain cgi-bin but not from the master cgi-bin.


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Re: Can't retrieve a text file from a remote CGI folder

[stephen barncard]

Andre had the same problem helping me to try to use the top-level cgi
folder at Dreamhost. I'd love to make it work, maintaining a Livecode
instance for every domain and the same server account is a pain.


On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:01 PM, J. Landman Gay
wrote:

> On 4/10/13 11:39 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
>> Jacque-
>>
>> Wednesday, April 10, 2013, 8:08:41 PM, you wrote:
>>
>>  But I do only want to read from it. I think you're right that
>>> permissions won't allow remote reading, otherwise anyone could read the
>>> scripts in there.
>>>
>>
>> I was gonna suggest that, except you said the scripts have been
>> working for years. I wouldn't put anything like that into the cgi-bin
>> folder, since I think browsers don't by design have access to it
>> unless you really screw up the permissions.
>>
>>
> No browsers are involved. It's kind of a long story, and couple of things
> got conflated in the confusion. My cgi scripts have been working for years,
> and they read/write to a log file that lives in the main cgi folder.
> Someone with the same server issues I had asked me why his logging script
> was failing. I didn't want to test with my main logging script, which is
> doing some real business, so I wrote that test script and it failed. I
> assumed my real one was failing too, but it turned out my test had a
> missing carriage return.
>
> Also, the person wants to retrieve his log file using a "get url" command
> in a button in a stack. I've been doing that for ages, and it still does
> work for me, with one difference: the file I retrieve is in a cgi folder in
> a subdomain. So I tried to get a text file from the main cgi folder
> instead, and it does fail there. I'm wondering why I can access a file from
> a subdomain cgi-bin but not from the master cgi-bin.
>
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Re: [OT] New pricing (GPL issues)

[Kay C Lan]

Thanks Kevin for taking the time from what must be an extremely busy
schedule to eleborate on this complex subject.

Great to see the team want to make LC Community available to eveyone via
EVERY means possible.

Good luck!


On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Kevin Miller  wrote:

> We are looking at providing a very simple OSS license specifically for
> free, non-profit, not ad supported, non-promotional open source apps in
> the Mac/iOS app store. We'll probably go down the route of charging a $25
> administration fee to supply an open license that lets you do this for
> apps you specifically name. We're still working through the legal
> implications of this though as we have to be careful it doesn't undermine
> the whole model by providing our platform binaries under a license without
> the enforced freedoms in GPL that, while incompatible with the App store,
> are also make our model work in all other contexts. More on this soon.
>
> In terms of having someone with the commercial platform build an app for
> you, we've prohibited that in our updated commercial EULA. Otherwise any
> one of you could set up shop and build apps for anyone which would
> circumvent the GPL. We would only need to sell a single license. Please
> don't do this or encourage others to do it! Many thanks.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
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>
>
>
>
> On 08/04/2013 21:07, "Mark Wilcox"  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >OK, second post in a row - really sorry for forgetting to delete the
> >whole digest from the end of the last one before I hit send.  Promise not
> >to do it again. :)
> >
> >Apple don't have an explicit policy against the GPL or any other open
> >source license as far as I'm aware.  I am not an IP lawyer but I did work
> >for an open source software foundation for a couple of years, so I've
> >spent quite a while reading/thinking about these issues.
> >
> >If someone complains you're violating their copyright (or breaking the
> >terms of their copyright license) to Apple, your app is likely to get
> >taken down, whether you're using open source or not.  This is what has
> >happened to apps using GPL code that have been taken down so far.
> >
> >If you build an app against the open source version of LiveCode and
> >release the source under a GPL compatible license (doesn't have to be GPL
> >and indeed probably better to go with something more permissive if you
> >intend it to be free and open for everyone) then the only issue you
> >should face with submitting to the app store is if RunRev complain to
> >Apple, since they are the copyright holder and thus the only ones with a
> >valid complaint (FSF can whinge all they like about the platform being
> >incompatible with their license, their copyright has not been infringed).
> > FWIW the GPLv2 is being blatantly disregarded ALL the time in (almost?)
> >all Android devices and many other embedded Linux platforms.  The Linux
> >kernel developers just prefer that their work is used and people don't
> >make commercial forks rather than making all the hardware vendors out
> >there follow the letter of the GPL (which they aren't prepared to do in
> >most cases).
> >
> >If RunRev are OK with any kind of non-comercial usage (they should be,
> >it'd save them the hassle of coming up with a solution for free
> >educational software and student projects) then they should add a clause
> >to this effect to their version of the GPL, just so everyone, including
> >potential contributors to LiveCode, is clear.  If they're not then as
> >long as you use a permissive GPL compatible license for your open source
> >project then anyone with a commercial license can build and submit it for
> >you - I expect there's be volunteers for serious projects trying to
> >produce quality free/open software.
> >
> >There's really no way to comply fully with the GPL and release viable
> >commercial software anyway.  If you release the full source code to your
> >app under a GPL compatible license and try to sell it there is nothing to
> >stop someone else building it and selling a version for less or giving it
> >away for free (this is why the GPL's free as in speech must almost always
> >mean free as in beer too in an age of ubiquitous internet access for
> >distribution).
> >
> >Hope that helps rather than confuses.  Happy to answer other questions in
> >this area to the best of my ability.
> >
> >Mark
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Re: Best Practice: Login Session on iOS

[Gerry Orkin]

Er I don't think that is right. Many many apps and services require login on 
iOS...

Gerry


On 11/04/2013, at 2:20 PM, J. Landman Gay  wrote:

> You can't have a licensing or registration system of your own, you must rely 
> on Apple to verify that your users have the right to run your app. Apple's 
> method is pretty secure and you can usually trust that anyone who launches 
> your app has also obtained it legally from the App Store.

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