Re: [ubuntu-uk] Eben Moglen Lecture Edinburgh June 2007
alan c wrote: > Jim Kissel wrote: >> <http://www.archive.org/details/EbenMoglenLectureEdinburghJune2007StreamingVideo384kbits> >> > > Thanks for the link Jim. > I have just watched it. > An astounding and powerful talk, with many ideas and associations > which help me to understand why I strongly support FOSS. > Boy! Am I glad I am on the same side! Hi, folks. I'm a recent migrant to Ubuntu, and new to FOSS and GNU/Linux (I'm not an IT professional - just someone who uses computers to do jobs). Since I migrated from a proprietary OS and software a few months ago, I've been finding the philosophy of the Ubuntu community, and of FOSS generally, immensely appealing. So I, too, would like to thank Jim for having posted the link to Eben Moglen's brilliant lecture. I agree wholeheartedly with Alan: it's an intellectual tour de force of the first order - an engrossing 80 minutes' viewing. Thanks again. Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
Chris Rowson wrote: > I have been reading with interest the various threads which have been > discussing problems with getting embedded media on websites working > properly. > > This IMO is one of the blockers for switching non tech-savvy people to > Ubuntu. They simply want to click on a realplayer link on the BBC site > and have it running in their browser straight away. > > It seems like there are a couple of other sites with issues too (I > think GMTV was mentioned) and I wondered if it'd be worth documenting > sites with issues, and figuring out what changes need to be made to a > system configuration to sort out the problems. > > Anyone interested? > > Chris > Hi folks >>> Lke Chris, I've been following this with interest, too. And I've been experimenting in parallel with Alan. I set up realplay a while ago (can't remember how, but do remember it was a tortuous and frustrating business). I discover - shadowing Alan - that the GMTV site streams Real video immediately, with no trouble at all; but BBC will only work if I select 'stand alone player'. This is very curious. I'm not sure it's simply a sites issue; I wonder if the inconsistent symptoms we observe aren't partly due to our own particular combinations of conflicts between various players, or the remnants of various players, that we've installed and uninstalled in our efforts to get embedded media working - totem, xine, mplayer, realplay, flash, all sorts of plugins and goodness knows what else, sometimes in several different versions of the same apps. The existence of layers of accumulated HowTos - many of them partly or completely out of date - adds to the chaos. As you say, Chris, this is a recipe for nightmares plus a hasty retreat to Windows for many non tech-savvy folk trying Ubuntu for the first time. (Quicktime is another story - I know: not Ubuntu's fault; but a pain for many previously used to playing an almost-industry-standard format.) So - until the developers get this sorted - if we were able to provide an authoritative, up-to-date guide to setting up embedded media, we'd be doing a great service. (But it might be a seriously big job!) Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Some interesting bits re DELL
You may already have seen this; but for anyone who hasn't... http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2007/07/06/20256.aspx Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF
You do have to hand it to Richard Stallman, Eben Moglen and their colleagues - the genius evident in GPLv3 just takes your breath away: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/blogs/microsoft_the_copyright_infringer http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070709101318827 Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF
Mark Harrison wrote: > Mac wrote: >> You do have to hand it to Richard Stallman, Eben Moglen and their >> colleagues - the genius evident in GPLv3 just takes your breath away: > I'm no lawyer, but in the UK at least, there are at least two problems > with the "legal analysis" here: > > - I had understood that a new contract / law could never apply > retroactively. I believe that the same applies in the US. > - I had understood that a contract could not be used to cause a party to > commit a criminal offence. In the UK at least, such a contract term > would be struck down by the courts (and usually, any contract would > include a clause that explicitly said that if one part of the contract > were found to be illegal, the rest still stood.) As I understand it, GPLv3 is not a contract; it's a waiver of copyright that passes to those who also waive copyright. This is what's so clever about it - it just doesn't work like a contract or licence. I think this is why patent/copyright lawyers have such trouble with it: it's anti-matter! Best wishes Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF
Mark Harrison wrote: > It's hard to see, however, how any legal document written on 1st July > could retrospectively apply to a contract signed on the 30th June unless > the contract made specific provision for itself to be modified. I may be wrong, but I thought that's exactly what GPLv2 had done, in the by making it's provisions applicable 'under GPLv2 or any future revisions' or words to that effect. (BTW, I'll have a look at your blog about why you aren't a member of FSF. Thanks for the URL, and for your thoughts) Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF
Matthew East wrote: >...The GPL is a license (hence the "L") by which (among > other things) the licensor and copyright holder grants the licensee the > right to use and redistribute the program subject to certain conditions. > > A license is a type of contract, in this case between the program maker > and the user/redistributor. > I think the GPL is rather more subtle than that, in that it uses copyright law, rather than the law of contract. Here's Eben Moglen's description of how it works (sorry this is a bit long): "Thus, the initial rules for sharing undertaken by the Free Software community... assumed that only the law of copyright need fundamentally to be considered. And what was achieved was, within the vocabulary of the community, a very pretty hack. A hack in the sense that the word is ordinarily employed in our, if I may call it, our community, an unexpected result achieved by creative deployment of existing parts in an unexpected or unusual configuration. The hack to copyright law was the recognition that the purposes of free software could be achieved by subtracting from the rights exclusively given to the author by the law of copyright as it applied to computer software. What the free software author wanted was actually simply to remove a few pieces from the existing copyright machine. He didn't need to add anything to it - no additional obligations needed to be placed on any user of the software, no additional agreements needed to be gotten from anybody who had a copy of the software - all that was necessary was to remove some restrictions - by sharing the copyright status accorded to each author of a computer program, the exclusive right to control copying, modification, and initial distribution of copies. Under US Copyright law, that's all there was, exclusively vested in the author. What the author then wanted was to give the power to copy and modify away. To remove exclusivity, and to provide to others what the statute gave exclusively to him or her. With respect to distribution, the only principle necessary in order to protect sharing was to say "if you redistribute, whether modified or unmodified, use these permissions and no other." ... By honeycombing copyright in other words, by returning to the user some, but not absolutely all of the exclusive rights vested in the author under copyright law, the social artefacts desired (the freedom to copy, modify, and share) could be ensured at the full strength that copyright law ever ensures the author's rights. No further contractualisation, no further compulsion, no further form of legal coercion is necessary but a determination to enforce copyright for the benefit of sharing." That seems to me not contract, but a beautiful and unexpected inversion of copyright law. Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF
Mark Harrison wrote: > In the UK, it's hard to see how the courts would do anything other than > In the US, the concept of "punitive damages" exists, > What I don't see (and this is where I came in - in disagreeing with some > of the web articles written) is that a customer calling for support on a > GPLv3 product under one of these contracts would automatically mean that > Microsoft had breached the law. Yes, I guess I was mainly intrigued by the principle that GPL piggybacks on existing copyright law so as to prevent individuals (or corporate entities) from asserting exclusive ownership, rather than setting up a contract specifically to preserve exclusive ownership. That's what struck my as a stroke of genius (and so unlike the normal principles underlying licensing). And, as you say, a consequence is that how the mechanics of GPL work in practice will be specific to the particular jurisdiction's copyright legislation. (Eben has said that he thinks GPLv3 is a bit too focused on the USA.) One of the bloggers pointed out that in the USA, breach of copyright can be a criminal offence as well as a civil one (See http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_0506000-.html) Do you (or Matthew) know whether this might actually have any relevance to Microsoft's liability? Best wishes Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Window XP on Ubuntu
Skippy wrote: > http://efficientpc.co.uk/videos/vmware/ > > if I was to install windows XP in VMware, what would the processing power > hit be like? Would it be possible to run outlook in it, without it becoming > painful, > > The reason I want to use outlook is because it is the only way I am aware of > that allows me to use my Orange M600 WM5 phone with full syncronsation > support. (would VMware do anything silly with the USB) > > Also is it possible to dual boot to the VMware image? So I can run the same > XP install on its own. > > The laptop I want to do this on is a higrade, 1.4ghz Intel (802.11b only), > with 512mb ram. > > > > Don't know much about all this, but I came across this link. Any use/relevance? http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-Linux-Symbiosis-Not-a-Dream-Anymore-59314.shtml Regards Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why not fix this?
Paul Tansom wrote: > picking a card is far from easy - you can't easily quote a manufacturer > of card or chipset that is a safe bet. I'm glad it's not just me who has difficulty with identifying the chipsets in wireless cards. I've read every detail in the specs of dozens of PCMCIA cards in online stores, and I don't think I've found a single one that actually tells you what the chipset is. Can anyone advise how exactly they find out what chipset a card has in it? Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] help with cifs permissions, please
Darren Mansell wrote: > On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 14:26 +0100, Neil Greenwood wrote: >> Try adding a uid option to that line. I haven't tried it to see if it >> helps, since I don't have any CIFS shares. > CIFS should work in just the same was as SMB shares. The uid=1000 thing > should work, I always need it anyway. Darren / Neil >>> Thanks for your suggestions. I guess I'm right in thinking I should edit the line in /etc/fstab to //serverIP/public /media/nas cifs credentials=/root/.smbcredentials,uid=1000,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 0 0 Sadly, this doesn't solve the problem: still when I make a test directory in Nautilus and drag it from /home to /media/nas I lose write permission for it - it appears with a lock symbol on it; and I get a permissions error when I try to delete it. I can, however, drag files to the directory and open them. The directory appears to have permissions rwx r-x r-x. I'm afraid my understanding of this is at the level of painting by numbers (i.e. cutting and pasting from HowTos with little conception of what's going on). So rational troubleshooting is a bit out of the question! I'll do some more searches. But if you - or anyone - have any more suggestions, I'd be grateful. Is it worth asking about this on Launchpad, or is that not the right place? Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] help with cifs permissions, please
I'd be grateful for advice with a problem that's a bit beyond my level of expertise. I've been mounting a network drive using the following in /etc/fstab (commands all on a single line), as per the Ubuntu smbfs HowTo: //severIP/public /media/nas smbfs guest,uid=1000,iocharset=utf8,codepage=unicode,unicode 0 0 //severIP/public /media/nas smbfs credentials=~/.smbcredentials,dmask=777,fmask=777 0 0 This has mostly worked fine. But recently when manipulating lots of image files I've been getting annoying samba timeouts that freeze the system. Web searches suggest this is an issue with samba, and the fix is to use cifs. So after reading cifs HowTos at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=288534 and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=293513 I now have /etc/fstab thus: //serverIP/public /media/nas cifs credentials=/root/.smbcredentials,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 0 0 (all on one line, of course; and the correct credentials file exists in /root/ and is chmoded 700 as per the HowTo) Unfortunately, when I copy a directory from home to nas, I am not the owner on the nas, and cannot delete the directory. Directories I copy have the following properties on the nas: drwxr-xr-x 2 35000 root0 2007-08-10 09:18 test I can't see how to resolve this. I'd be grateful for suggestions. TIA Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] help with cifs permissions, please
Mac wrote: snip> > I guess I'm right in > thinking I should edit the line in /etc/fstab to > > //serverIP/public /media/nas cifs > credentials=/root/.smbcredentials,uid=1000,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 > > 0 0 > > Sadly, this doesn't solve the problem: still when I make a test > directory in Nautilus and drag it from /home to /media/nas I lose write > permission for it - it appears with a lock symbol on it; and I get a > permissions error when I try to delete it. I can, however, drag files > to the directory and open them. The directory appears to have > permissions rwx r-x r-x. > > I'm afraid my understanding of this is at the level of painting by > numbers (i.e. cutting and pasting from HowTos with little conception of > what's going on). So rational troubleshooting is a bit out of the > question! I'll do some more searches. But if you - or anyone - have > any more suggestions, I'd be grateful. > > Is it worth asking about this on Launchpad, or is that not the right > place? > > Mac Just in case anyone's interested, my searches revealed that a lot of people have trouble with getting permissions to work properly on cifs shares. I tried various suggestions for fixes: unmount the share and chmod the mount point 777 (no joy) create the credentials file with nano, to ensure the file ends with a blank line (no joy) use the 'noperm' options, thus: //serverIP/public /media/nas cifs credentials=/root/.smbcredentials,uid=1000,iocharset=utf8,noperm 0 0 Bingo! But what an awful solution, eh?! As it happens, I'm the only person logging on to this machine, so maybe it doesn't matter. But how do folk on shared systems deal with this? (There seem to be a lot of cheesed off cifs users around, from what I've seen!) Anyway, if you've been reading this thread, thanks for your attention Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] help with cifs permissions, please
James Dalley wrote: Mac> I saw a similar setup the other >> day but the fileMode and DirMOde hade no 0 at the start just >> 777.May help, may not! (1 , 99 % betting)Jay Yes, that's similar to the format for smbfs: dmask=777,fmask=777. The use of dmask and fmask is deprecated with cifs, and as I don't really understand the syntax, I just slavishly followed the recommended file_mode=0777 and dir_mode=0777. I did wonder whether the cifs syntax would treat 777 and 0777 as equivalent anyway. Can't think why it would make a difference to use one rather than the other - but then the logic of a lot of this stuff is very obscure (like cifs needing a blank line at the end of the credentials file as an end-of-file marker, where smbfs doesn't). So 777 worth a try - at least it has powerful magical connotations! I'll have a go tomorrow, as my brain is starting to hurt. Thanks Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] help with cifs permissions, please
Mac wrote: > James Dalley wrote: >> I saw a similar setup the other >> day but the fileMode and DirMOde hade no 0 at the start just >> 777.May help, may not! > So 777 worth a try - at least it has powerful magical connotations! Sadly, magic or no magic, the adjustment makes no difference. Only the 'noperm' option allows me to copy directories to the nas and retain ownership of them. And as I do need to be able to rename or delete directories on the network drive, there doesn't seem to be a viable alternative. Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Niggly Problems
Ian >>> I only have suggestions for some of your issues... Ian Pascoe wrote: > B. Cannot seem to get Movie Player to play DVDs, although I can see it in > the file Explorer > B1. Can't play the extra features DVD for any of the Harry Potter's Commercial DVDs are encrypted/DRM-ed. You may need the library for reading them. It's in the medibuntu repository, and is called libdvdcss2. I had exactly the same problem with recent shop-bought DVDs; installing the lib file solved it... > C. The system beep is through the desktop speaker and not the sound card Open a console and type 'alsamixer'. Use the left/right arrow keys to move between the columns; tap the 'm' key to activate (00) - or mute (MM), but you don't want them to be muted!! - the selected channel. Adjust the 'volume' of the selected channel with the up/down arrows. Press Esc to quit. HTH. Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Niggly Problems
A couple of further thoughts in addition to my last e-mail. 1) Check the settings in the Volume Applet (the 'speakers' icon on the panel - right click on it for the pull-down) 2) Check the settings in System/Preferences/Sound Mac Ian Pascoe wrote: > Hi Folks > > My Ubuntu 7.04 is as per Live CD install - ie no added goodies or extras. > The desktop is about 5 years old now running an AMD 1.2GHz CPU with 1 Gb > RAM - a fairly bog standard system without any fiddly extras bolted on. > > I have some niggles that I'd like to get rid of. These are: > > A. still can't get my USB HD to auto mount or if it does to be able to > view/access it from the Gnome desktop. > > B. Cannot seem to get Movie Player to play DVDs, although I can see it in > the file Explorer > B1. Can't play the extra features DVD for any of the Harry Potter's my > daughters have bought to watch with them this weekend. > (Through the Gnome GUI) > > C. The system beep is through the desktop speaker and not the sound card > > Any pointers/help much appreciated to get rid of these niggles. Although I > don't play on the command line normally, I'm not afraid to wonder there if > need be. > > Cheers > > E > > > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Vote for Ubuntu on Lenovo
Add your vote to the Lenovo blog: http://lenovoblogs.com/insidethebox/?p=98 Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Mark Shuttleworth on Dell
For anyone who didn't see the Lifehacker article, here's Mark Shuttleworth's explanation of how come it's so hard to find Ubuntu systems on the Dell UK site... Lifehacker: It seems that pre-installed Linux computers are gaining momentum. Are there plans for partnering with other major corporations? Mark Shuttleworth: Of course. There are discussions underway which I can’t go into because they’re not ready to be announced. The main thing is to recognize that Linux remains somewhat of a specialist’s option. It is actually quite prevalent amongst the specialist providers. If you talk to any of the major system integrators they will all do Linux deployments for you. Even if you talk to some of the smaller OEMs they will all figure out how to work with you and to work with Linux. Where it has always been blocked is in the large-scale consumer market. I think Dell has been very clever in the way they’ve done it. They’ve figured out how to make Linux available to those consumers who are specifically looking for it without accidentally having folks who don’t know what Linux is (and who don’t really want Linux) accidentally buying those machines. That’s critical to the economic viability of the offering. Full article: http://dailydiy.com/2007/08/30/ubuntu-founder-mark-shuttleworth-on-productivity-and-linux/ Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies
Robert McWilliam wrote: < big snip> > I think NAS is extra complication (and cost) for not much advantage > unless you want to use it for sharing the files or are using a laptop > and want the backup to happen wirelessly, or have some other reason > beyond backups. I'd agree with this. On my home system I back up to both NAS and to USB. As Robert rightly says, I used the NAS as a shared (cross-platform) drive, so it was available for backup too, and that's why I used it, not because it was easy! On the contrary, samba was not reliable, and cifs was difficult to get working (permissions are an inherent problem, it seems). So if you just want to use the drives for backup, I'd go for USB as being the simplest option. (And a couple of USBs has the other advantage Robert mentions in his post - the possibility, if you wish, of off-site storage. I carry some important backup data with me, on a little 100Gb Seagate portable USB drive) As a home user, I tried several GUI-based back-up apps. I did not find one that did what it promised in all departments. I eventually went back to rsync, which, once you've got it set up - perhaps with a script - just works. (BTW, rsync still gives me errors when trying to sync ownership and permissions to the shared FAT32 NAS, which is another reason for keeping things simple with USB if you can.) NAS is great for what it's for - sharing storage space and data on a network. But it's less less than wonderful for Ubuntu backups. As I say, if you just want backup storage, I'd recommend sticking to USB drives. FWIW, that's my two-pen'orth. HTH Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies
Thanks for the info/advice. I'll do as you suggest. (I guess there might need to be some chown-ing and chgrp-ing of files and directories if I ever did need to restore from the FAT32 drive?). Mac Robert McWilliam wrote: > On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:18:17 +0100, "Mac" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> BTW, rsync still gives me errors when trying to sync >> ownership and permissions to the shared FAT32 NAS > > rsync can't make the owner and permissions match on FAT32 because FAT32 > doesn't support them. You can get the errors to go away by telling rsync > not to try and set the permissions and group with the --no-p and --no-g > options. > > Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.ormiret.com > > Everything should be made as simple as possible - but no simpler. > -- Albert Einstein > > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Phishing and linux
I'm not sure what to make of comments about phishing sites I came across here http://www.theregister.com/2007/10/03/ebay_paypal_online_banking/ as follows: "These things are incredibly sophisticated, and when they take over a computer, most [users] don't know it," he said. "With every single phishing site [Washington Mutual has] shutdown, not one person was aware been aware that their machine was compromised and used for phishing. That includes university servers and company servers and personal PCs and all sorts of things." More interesting is that most of the compromised machines were not Windows machines. "The vast majority of [the phishing sites] we saw were on rootkit-ed Linux boxes, which was rather startling. We expected a predominance of Microsoft boxes and that wasn't the case." Any thoughts? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Phishing and linux
Martyn wrote: >> I'm not sure what to make of comments about phishing sites I came across >> here >> >> http://www.theregister.com/2007/10/03/ebay_paypal_online_banking/ >> >> as follows: >> >> "These things are incredibly sophisticated, and when they take over a >> computer, most [users] don't know it," he said. "With every single >> phishing site [Washington Mutual has] shutdown, not one person was aware >> been aware that their machine was compromised and used for phishing. >> That includes university servers and company servers and personal PCs >> and all sorts of things." >> >> More interesting is that most of the compromised machines were not >> Windows machines. "The vast majority of [the phishing sites] we saw were >> on rootkit-ed Linux boxes, which was rather startling. We expected a >> predominance of Microsoft boxes and that wasn't the case." >> >> Any thoughts? > > You missed the next line off your quote: > > "This pleased Microsoft's head of Silicon Valley PR, who served as a > conference sponsor." > > Hmmm > Yes, that does make one suspicious. However, does the fact that M$ would be pleased with the outcome mean that it's not true that 'the vast majority of [the phishing sites] we saw were on rootkit-ed Linux boxes'? Assuming they aren't just lying, it could be sampling error - perhaps their sample contained more Linux boxes than M$ boxes to start with. Or it could be that there simply are more Linux machines in those parts of the internet that are more likely to be attacked (more accessible? more attractive? I don't know enough about rootkits to have any idea why this might be). Or it could be that Linux boxes are more susceptible to this kind of attack than we assumed (although, again, I don't know enough to guess why). There may be other explanations. I hope we can just assume this is FUD. Does anyone more familiar with server security have anything consoling thoughts? Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Phishing and linux
Alan Pope wrote: > AIUI most compromised Windows boxes are due to user error, people not > installing patches or firewalls on their windows desktops and laptops. > > AIUI most compromised Linux boxes are due to user error, people not > installing patches for server apps and scripted applications on their > Linux servers. > If their specification during this witch-hunt was to look at the server > space for compromised machines then _of_ _course_ they will find Linux > boxen - as we know Linux is popular in the web/mail server space. These > were possibly running dodgy old copies of apps like drupal and phpbb > with naffed up xmlrpc implementations. Mark Harrison wrote: > Anyone who goes around saying "Linux is secure, Windows isn't" is, > I'm afraid, setting themselves up for a MASSIVE egg-on-face incident. > > What we CAN say is that "Ubuntu contains a good set of tools to keep > machines secure that are free. Tony Arnold wrote: > It's not clear to me from the article what was meant by 'machines > used for phishing'. > > There are two aspects, the machines used to send out the millions of > e-mail messages for the initial phish and then there is the machine > used to host the fake WEB site. Al / Mark / Tony >>> I'm consoled! I guessed the sample of machines examined might be biased; and I should have remembered that most security breaches are due to bad practice by users regarding updates and patches. But I also now appreciate the distinction between compromised machines that generate the spam and compromised web servers. As Tony points out, the article conflates the two types (though whether the conflation is due to the reporting or the original is hard to say.) Anyway, many thanks for the clarifications. Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] How 'Gnu' are you?
andylockran wrote: > We had some fun on Wednesday night on IRC installing "Virtual Richard > Stallman" on our ubuntu boxes to see how many non-free products were > installed. > Please append your results to the list below: > > andylockran - 15 non-free packages, 1.1% of 1381 installed packages. My results: 16 non-free packages, 1.1% of 1498 installed packages. Curiously, these included gnupg-doc GNU Privacy Guard documentation as well as linux-generic Complete Generic Linux kernel linux-restricted-modules- Non-free Linux 2.6.20 modules on x86/x86_64 linux-restricted-modules- Non-free Linux 2.6.20 modules on x86/x86_64 linux-restricted-modules- Non-free Linux 2.6.20 modules helper script linux-restricted-modules- Restricted Linux modules for generic kernels but it didn't find Skype!!! Long way to go yet, eh? Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Who's got/ordered Dell Ubuntu Laptops?
Matthew Daubney wrote: > Alec Wright wrote: >> Title says it all really. >> I just ordered one three minutes ago xD >> > I have one, Love it to bits, does everything I ask of it and more :-) Is the touchpad as trigger-happy as the reports suggest? (Though software fix due in Gutsy, I think) Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] RM £169 linux-ok notebook
What do you reckon to this: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/10/09/rm_asus_launches_minibook/ Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] RM £169 linux-ok notebook
Chris Rowson wrote: > This looks pretty much the same PC doesn't it? > http://www.clove.co.uk/viewProduct.aspx?product=9136E4FD-2F3C-4289-84A9-4B96ED813B9D&category=GROUP4 Yes, it is. And there are some other sellers, too. And you can run Ubuntu on it (it comes with Asus' version of Xandros). But how functional is 4Gb flash drive? (I suppose with 3 USB 2.0 ports, you could always cart round a 100Gb Seagate portable drive to run seriously big apps! ;-) ) Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] RM £169 linux-ok notebook
Sean Miller wrote: > Ah, nostalgia... I still remember the RML 380-Z that we had at school... Oh, yes! Cutting edge stuff, that. And at the time brilliant - a revelation! Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Testing a machine with a Live CD
Neil Greenwood wrote: > I can report that the laptop (Acer TravelMate) worked perfectly out of > the box with Feisty Neil >>> Which TravelMate model? Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Testing a machine with a Live CD
Neil Greenwood wrote: > On 11/10/2007, Mac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Neil >>> Which TravelMate model? > > It's a TM2701LC, if that makes sense. Google only turns up Eastern European / Greek sources for that model - no UK ones at all. Is it an import? Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] 7.10 Release Candidate available
This is up this morning: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-7.10rc Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] How to delete all .m4a files from music library
I've got a mixture of .flac and .m4a files of the same music scattered through the multiple sub directories in ~/music. I want to delete all the .m4a files from which ever subdirectory they happen to be in, leaving the .flac files in their current directories. (It would be nice to delete any directories that have become empty because they only had .m4a files in them - but that would be a bonus!) I'd be grateful for advice about how to do this 'selective recursive delete' - I can't work out a terminal command with this effect. Sorry if this is dead obvious - I can't see how to do it. TIA Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] How to delete all .m4a files from music library
Alec Wright wrote: > On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 18:48 +0100, Mac wrote: >> I've got a mixture of .flac and .m4a files of the same music scattered >> through the multiple sub directories in ~/music. I want to delete all >> the .m4a files from which ever subdirectory they happen to be in, >> leaving the .flac files in their current directories. (It would be nice >> to delete any directories that have become empty because they only had >> .m4a files in them - but that would be a bonus!) >> >> I'd be grateful for advice about how to do this 'selective recursive >> delete' - I can't work out a terminal command with this effect. >> >> Sorry if this is dead obvious - I can't see how to do it. >> >> TIA >> >> Mac > Try: > rm -R *.mp4 *.m4a Alec >>> Thanks for reply. I tried the form of command you suggest. It returns rm: cannot lstat `*.mp4': No such file or directory rm: cannot lstat `*.m4a': No such file or directory Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] How to delete all .m4a files from music library
Tom Bamford wrote:
> Try this:
>
> find /path/to/music -name "*.m4a" -exec rm {} \;
Perfect! Cheers, Tom - that's great.
Mac
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] How to delete all .m4a files from music library
Matthew Wild wrote:
> On 10/16/07, Mac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> (It would be nice
>> to delete any directories that have become empty because they only had
>> .m4a files in them - but that would be a bonus!)
>
>
> Going for the bonus!
>
> find ~/music/ -depth -type d -empty -exec rmdir {} \;
>
> Matthew
>
> PS. can anyone see why this does not work to do it all in one (ignoring the
> rm)?:
> find test/ -depth \( -type f -name '*.m4a' \) -o \( -type d -empty \) -exec
> rm {} \;
>>From what I understand in man find, the brackets are not even needed, since
> the default operator is AND. However this line does not print any matches
> for me, unless I remove the directory part.
>
>
Matthew >>> Thanks for the thought you put into this. In fact I'd
already done the deletions manually, as there turned out to be few empty
directories. But your solution, and question, look interesting - even
though I don't yet understand how they do what they do.
Many thanks for your time and interest.
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[ubuntu-uk] Wifi PCMCIA card - suggestions, please.
I want to install Gutsy on an old Dell Inspiron. I'd be very glad of suggestions for an 802.11g PCMCIA card that # can do WPA encryption # you actually have seen working out of the box with Gutsy (!) # I can buy currently from a UK vendor. Please forgive the paranoia, but I have awful memories of the last time I set up a similar Dell Inspiron using a Linksys (Broadcom) card with Dapper. It was literally a fortnight of exasperation, and I don't have the emotionally energy to go through that again! So, names and model numbers of cards that are in the shops and actually do work would be very welcome :-) TIA Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wifi PCMCIA card - suggestions, please.
Alan Pope wrote: > Hi Mac, > > On Sat, 2007-10-20 at 08:16 +0100, Mac wrote: >> # can do WPA encryption >> # you actually have seen working out of the box with Gutsy (!) >> # I can buy currently from a UK vendor. >> > > http://linuxemporium.co.uk/products/wireless/ is probably a good place > to start. Al >>> Thanks for the quick reply. The reason I asked for the name and model of a card someone has seen working out of the box with WPA and available in a shop now is that the information in all the 'good places to look' is often wildly out of date, wrong, or very confusing. For example, linuxemporium recommends Edimax. I bought one some time ago, but it didn't work 'out of the box' with Feisty. It doesn't work 'out of the box' with Gutsy live CD. So I'm sceptical of anything that doesn't come with an 'I've actually seen this working' recommendation. Sorry to seem so fussy, but - like many here, I guess - I've spent hours - no, days - researching wifi kit with much frustration. :-( Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wifi PCMCIA card - suggestions, please.
Alan Pope wrote: > Hi Mac, > > On Sat, 2007-10-20 at 09:56 +0100, Mac wrote: >> For example, linuxemporium recommends Edimax. I bought one some time >> ago, but it didn't work 'out of the box' with Feisty. It doesn't work >> 'out of the box' with Gutsy live CD. So I'm sceptical of anything that >> doesn't come with an 'I've actually seen this working' recommendation. >> > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT2500 > > "The easiest way to get your wireless working if you have rt2500-based > wireless is to upgrade to Ubuntu 7.10. Everything works out of the box, > including WPA." Ok, Al, you're the boss! ;-) (But I will get back to you if it doesn't work out of the box!) Tx Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wifi PCMCIA card - suggestions, please.
Stephen Drake wrote: > Also consider Atheros based cards, usually with 108 Mbps, Xtreme G or > Super G on the box. Most cards will work fine. Only the very latest > cards have issues with the binary firmware. Steve >>> I did wonder whether to lash out on an Atheros-based card, but I wasn't sure whether the drivers were already available in Gutsy or had to be manually installed. Sounds like your saying 'already in Gutsy - it just works'? Perhaps I'll have this as a fall back should Al's suggestion turn out not to work - heaven forfend! ;-) Tx Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT: VoIP Headsets
Dave Walker wrote: > Plantronics are considered by many to be _the_ industry standard for > headsets. > > I have four Plantronics headsets and I would have to agree. They are > also all recognised in Ubuntu 'out-of-the-box'. I can confirm this. I use a Plantronics DSP 100 headset. It's usb - just plug it in and it works (though you may of course have to select it in the options settings of the app). Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wifi PCMCIA card - suggestions, please.
Alan Pope wrote: > Hi Mac, > > On Sat, 2007-10-20 at 09:56 +0100, Mac wrote: >> For example, linuxemporium recommends Edimax. I bought one some time >> ago, but it didn't work 'out of the box' with Feisty. It doesn't work >> 'out of the box' with Gutsy live CD. So I'm sceptical of anything that >> doesn't come with an 'I've actually seen this working' recommendation. >> > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT2500 > > "The easiest way to get your wireless working if you have rt2500-based > wireless is to upgrade to Ubuntu 7.10. Everything works out of the box, > including WPA." > > Cheers, > Al. > So is the best procedure as follows: turn off the security on the wireless router, insert the Edimax EW-7108PCG card, and install from the live CD. Presumably, the card should just get detected and turned on by Gutsy. Then turn the security back on and set the wpa access. Any other warnings / tips? Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Press Release Idea: "Free support on selected Tescos PCs from Ubuntu UK"
Mark Harrison wrote: > The UK Ubuntu community is pleased to announce that, effective from 1st > November, it will be offering free technical support to users of > selected Tescos PC, at centres up and down the country. Mark >>> Great press release - and exactly the right tone. One small point - speaking as one who has had contact with Tesco, the correct name for the company is 'Tesco' rather than 'Tescos' (though the possessive would, of course, be "Tesco's"). HTH Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Difference between Admin and Root?
I have a single-user system, and - while playing / investigating - I tried changing my user password. I was interested to notice that this, rather than root's password was then the one required by 'sudo...'. I suppose I'd sort of expected that 'sudo' would require the root password, and that when needing to act as root (e.g. to use aptitude) I'd been typing the root password, which just happened to be the same as the first user on the system, but wouldn't be if that user changed his/her password. So what's the difference, if any, between a user invoking his/her 'Admin' rights with the 'sudo' command, and what root can do? Would it be possible / wise (for reasons of security) to remove the admin rights of the first user on the system, leaving root as the only user with such rights? (I'm inclined to think not, having set up a second user without admin rights on another system, and noticing that a number of 'administrative' menu options did not then appear in the menus.) (Not a big issue - just interested in learning more about GNU/linux from you guys who know!) Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Difference between Admin and Root?
Paul Sladen wrote: > You can tick and untick which users are allowed to run privileged commands, > by adding or removing them from the special 'admin' group, in: > > System->Administration->Users and Groups > > The first user on the system is automatically added to the 'admin' group, as > otherwise it would be difficult to configure anything or setup more users! Thanks for the info. It's helped me to understand the difference between distros about logging on as root to do admin or using sudo (with it's essentially temporary authorisation). I guess I'm right in thinking that to remove admin privileges from all the named users would mean that you had to log on as root to do any admin, with the inherent risk of leaving the system exposed should you forget to log out (or not care to). I'll go and check this on the RootSudo page you referred me to. Tx Mac [PS Mac from the Scots, not the Jobs ;-) ] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Wifi not working for second user.
I've set up a second user account (for my wife) on my laptop. The laptop uses WPA with a password protected by keyring. So immediately after I log on, the system connects to the network and tries to log into it; and it then waits, asking me to type the keyring password to make the WPA key available. But when my wife logs on with the new account, the system appears not to make any attempt to connect to the wireless network, and remains resolutely isolated from the LAN. Clearly there's some setting up to do on the second user account (which does not have admin privileges) to make the connection to the wireless network; but I don't know what. You're advice would be most welcome! Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wifi not working for second user.
Mac wrote: > You're advice would be most welcome! Ooops! Or 'your advice' even! Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] PCI Wirless card recommendation
Tony Arnold wrote: > Mat, > > On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 14:39 +0100, Matthew Larsen wrote: >> Funnily enough the one I got from the Computer Shop in Kilburn worked >> fine for me in windows and ubuntu. > > That's where I got the current one! It's an RAlink with the RT2500 chip > set. Worked great with feisty but not so good on Gutsy. Checkout bug > #134660 on launchpad. There is a recommendation to try the 'legacy' > driver, so I may give that a go again tonight (I did try it, but it > didn't seem to make any difference). > > Regards, > Tony. I wonder if Al's reading this. I'll remind him what he told me. ;-) Alan Pope wrote: > Hi Mac, > > On Sat, 2007-10-20 at 09:56 +0100, Mac wrote: >> For example, linuxemporium recommends Edimax. I bought one some time >> ago, but it didn't work 'out of the box' with Feisty. It doesn't >> work 'out of the box' with Gutsy live CD. So I'm sceptical of >> anything that doesn't come with an 'I've actually seen this working' >> recommendation. > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT2500 > > "The easiest way to get your wireless working if you have rt2500-based > wireless is to upgrade to Ubuntu 7.10. Everything works out of the box, > including WPA." > > Cheers, > Al. > Luckily, I haven't started trying to install Gutsy with the Edimax RAlink card yet. In the same thread, Steve Drake said "Also consider Atheros based cards, usually with 108 Mbps, Xtreme G or Super G on the box. Most cards will work fine. Only the very latest cards have issues with the binary firmware. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Madwifi "There's a list of specific cards on the madwifi site. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility"; What do you reckon to the Atheros option, Tony? (And thanks for the timely warning about RAlink!) Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] PCI Wirless card recommendation
Tony Arnold wrote: > The Edimax cards from the Linux Emporium use the RT2561 chi set. It's > not clear to me whether these suffer the same problems as the RT2500 > chip set device that I have. Mmmm. I've got an Edimax EW-7108PCG, which I think also uses the 2500 chipset, unlike the newer cards... >> What do you reckon to the Atheros option, Tony? > > Presumably these work out of the box? Or do I have to build/install > the drivers separately? I was hoping to avoid that if I could. Steve reckoned they use the madwifi driver. Isn't that in Gutsy already? >> (And thanks for the timely warning about RAlink!) > > You are welcome. See my comment above though! If you do try the Edimax > card, can you post your experience here? I'm going to have to bite the bullet and have a go. I'll let you know how I get on. Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Microsoft To pay the fine... AND allow OSS to get hands on the specs
Matthew Larsen wrote: >> In addition, it will also allow the data to go to open source software >> developers. > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7056288.stm The text is a bit non-specific. Does it just mean Novell, possibly? :-( Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Best ISP?
Jai Harrison wrote: > Hey Guys, > > I figured this would be an interesting topic for people to discuss. > We're all from the UK so it should work nicely. What is the best > Internet Service Provider in your opinion and why? Please state > whether it is ADSL or cable. > > Jai > I'm with Fasthosts - a thoroughly professional specialist IT company. At ?29 a month, the broadband service is a bit expensive, perhaps; but it's fast and reliable. Their 365/24/7 tech support - covering more or less any problem you might have with your network, whether it's broadband-related or not - is excellent. (Not that I've had much need to use it - but when I have, the guys have been brilliant.) I've had very few outages in three years, and most were due to BT. (Fasthosts' recently had a break-in to their servers - very embarrassing for the country's largest web hosting service; but they dealt with it fast, honestly, and openly, contacting customers directly with detailed advice and information.) I've thought about moving to a cheaper ISP; but the rock-solid reliability of the Fasthosts service compared with what I hear of cheaper ISPs has kept me with them. Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] BECTA warns schools off M$ deal
Interesting referral to OFT: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7063716.stm Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] PCI Wirless card recommendation
Tony Arnold wrote: > Mac, > > On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 15:49 +0100, Mac wrote: > >> I wonder if Al's reading this. I'll remind him what he told me. >> ;-) >> >> Alan Pope wrote: >> > Hi Mac, >> > >> > On Sat, 2007-10-20 at 09:56 +0100, Mac wrote: >> >> For example, linuxemporium recommends Edimax. I bought one some time >> >> ago, but it didn't work 'out of the box' with Feisty. It doesn't >> >> work 'out of the box' with Gutsy live CD. So I'm sceptical of >> >> anything that doesn't come with an 'I've actually seen this working' >> >> recommendation. >> > >> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT2500 >> > >> > "The easiest way to get your wireless working if you have rt2500-based >> > wireless is to upgrade to Ubuntu 7.10. Everything works out of the box, >> > including WPA." > > It kind of worked but with poor throughput! > >> Luckily, I haven't started trying to install Gutsy with the Edimax >> RAlink card yet. In the same thread, Steve Drake said > > The Edimax cards from the Linux Emporium use the RT2561 chi set. It's > not clear to me whether these suffer the same problems as the RT2500 > chip set device that I have. > >> "Also consider Atheros based cards, usually with 108 Mbps, Xtreme G or >> Super G on the box. Most cards will work fine. Only the very latest >> cards have issues with the binary firmware. >> >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Madwifi >> >> "There's a list of specific cards on the madwifi site. >> http://madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility"; >> >> >> What do you reckon to the Atheros option, Tony? > > Presumably these work out of the box? Or do I have to build/install the > drivers separately? I was hoping to avoid that if I could. > >> (And thanks for the timely warning about RAlink!) > > You are welcome. See my comment above though! If you do try the Edimax > card, can you post your experience here? > > Regards, > Tony. Tony >>> Just to update this, I could not get my Edimax EW-7108PCG working with Gutsy; and I did not want to go to revert to the legacy driver (your eventual solution). Instead, on the recommendation of someone here (forgive me, can't remember who) I bought a Netgear WG511T from Amazon (20.38UKP incl VAT and free postage) and - it worked out of the box! (Still can't quite get over the shock!) The card came on during boot up, and the Atheros HAL restricted driver triggered automatically. With the wireless encryption off, and the SSID being broadcast, the card connected to the network immediately. The N-M applet has changed in Gutsy, and is not intuitive (not that it ever was). I restarted the encryption and hid the SSID. With Roaming turned off in the Network Manager - as the upgrade documentation seems to advise - I entered the SSID and network password manually, and set 'dhcp' on. The card did not connect. With Roaming on, however, the N-M applet accessed the Keyring for the network password (the set up I'd used in Feisty), and Bingo! Card up and running with WPA encryption. I guess the settings for N-M to access the keyring were part of the upgraded from Feisty, where I'd had a Linksys WPC54G (Broadcom) working with WPA, using the keyring for the network password. Anyway, I'm not too bothered about the idiosyncrasies of N-M, as long as the wifi works - which it does (though at 36 Mbps according to network tools, rather than the 108 Mbps the Netgear card claims - but presumably the notional 108 Mbps is only with its own Win drivers). Anyway, that's the feedback. Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] nfs share not mounting after upgrade to Gutsy
After upgrading my old laptop from Feisty to Gutsy, the cifs shares for my network drive are mounting fine, but an nfs share to a folder on another computer on the network isn't. When I 'sudo mount -a', I get mount.nfs: :/ failed, reason given by server: Permission denied Given that it worked fine before the upgrade, I'm a bit at a loss. Any ideas about what I need to do about this? TIA Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] medibuntu dapper packeages no longer available?
I've had to reinstall dapper on an old laptop, and tried to get the w32codecs from deb http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/ dapper free non-free but I get a 'Not Found' error. Forgive me if I'm being stupid, but have I missed something here? Are the packaged / repo no longer available? Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] medibuntu dapper packeages no longer available?
Dave Walker wrote: > On Fri, 2007-11-02 at 17:33 +0000, Mac wrote: >> I've had to reinstall dapper on an old laptop, and tried to get the >> w32codecs from >> >> deb http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/ dapper free non-free >> >> but I get a 'Not Found' error. Forgive me if I'm being stupid, but have >> I missed something here? Are the packaged / repo no longer available? >> >> Mac > > Hi Mac, > > No it is still there, but the url has changed. It is now: > "deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ dapper free non-free" > > Further information is available here: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu#head-7486ed038a9becc1dff10a24cc07a38a00d70e9f > > Kind Regards, > Dave Walker > Dave >>> You're a star! Thanks. Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Do you use the forums...?
Alan Pope wrote: > On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 23:05 +, Matthew East wrote: >> Hi >> >> On 02/11/2007, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > If so could you please vote in this poll? >> > >> > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=599844 >> >> It might help if you refer to the "development wiki". From a lot of >> the answers it sounds like people have assumed you are referring to >> the help wiki, even though you've put the url in the title. >> > > I was quite deliberate in the way I worded it actually. I'm pretty sure > most users don't actually know the difference between wiki.ubuntu.com, > help.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com/community. > > Seems like there is some confusion there. > > Cheers, > Al. > You're absolutely right about this, Al. The distinction you've highlighted makes me realise I have never read the Ubuntu Team wiki (wiki.ubuntu.com); but I do look things up on , which the 'HowToGetHelp' page describes as the 'Ubuntu community documentation wiki', though 'wiki' does not appear in its URL. All very confusing, as you say; and I wonder if many of us have made this mistake when responding to the poll? Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] can someone point me in the right direction??
Pascal Khoury wrote: > Hope everyone's well. I am new to the forum. I have installed Ubuntu > on my Dell Inspiron 6400, and I am trying to configure my screen > resolution with no success. The resolution is by default 1024x768, > and this is too small for my screen. I wonder if someone can help. Pascal >>> I've had problems with Ubuntu not detecting the graphics on my Dell Inspiron correctly (tho' mine's an old 8200). In addition to the various suggestions friends here have already given, I found the following useful: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto I would recommend that you back up your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file before doing any editing suggested in the HowTo. E.g. in a terminal do sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old Then, if Gnome doesn't restart properly, you can do Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get a terminal screen, reinstate the original xorg.conf file with sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old /etc/X11/xorg.conf and restart. (Sorry if this is teaching grandma to suck eggs - it's just that I'm relatively new to GNU/Linux, and like full details myself!) HTH Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Sorry but... wifi / WPA / hidden SSID problem
Freinds >>> When I made the switch from Windows to Ubuntu last March, I spent about a fortnight trying to get wifi working in Dapper on a Dell Inspiron 8200 laptop. I really had no clear idea of what I was doing, and stumbled about copying lumps of HowTos into the terminal and getting into a complete tangle. But somehow - I've no recollection how - I got the Lynksys WPC54G pcmcia card (Broadcom) connected using Network Manager, WPA-encrypted, and with a hidden SSID. And it went on connecting fine in Edgy and Feisty. After problems upgrading to Gutsy, I've had to reinstall Dapper on this laptop. With exactly the same hardware as before, I've now got a wifi connection up and running using WPA, but only with a broadcast SSID. I've spent days searching for a fix to allow connection with the SSID hidden, and come across loads of comment that Network Manager doesn't work with hidden SSIDs. Well, it did for months on my machine. But I don't know what I did to make it work flawlessly; and I can't get it working again now. So this is by way of a heartfelt appeal to you wise folks: what the heck do you do to get n-m to connect with the SSID hidden? (I've seen comments that using a hidden SSID doesn't really add much by way of security if you're using WPA encryption. Is that right? And is WPA2 'better' than WPA? - I think my set up is only managing WPA, 'cos it won't connect to the router when I set the router to 'WPA2 only', rather than 'mixed WPA/WPA2'.) I look forward to the sort of enlightenment you've variously provided about dead hard stuff in the past! Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Sorry but... wifi / WPA / hidden SSID problem
Martyn wrote: > with the SSID hidden? > it's not worth bothering with, its kind > of like tipexing over the YALE name on your front door lock, and > hoping it'll make it more difficult to pick... Martyn >>> What a wonderful image! Thanks for your advice. Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] wifi mini-survey
Friends >>> Following the surprisingly few responses to some recent questions about wifi, I'm beginning to wonder how many of us are actually using Ubuntu wirelessly on laptops. So here's a quick poll: Do you use Ubuntu on a laptop + wifi? And, if you do, do you use no encryption / WEP / WPA / WPA2 with ESSID broadcast / hidden? Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Happy Diwali!
Gaurav Patel wrote: > To all the Hindu, Sikh and Jain subscribers of the Ubuntu-UK mailing list! Gaurav >>> Happy Diwali! (Everyone loves the light on these dark winter nights! - hope you have fun!) Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gutsy
London School of Puppetry wrote: > Hi there- if I am able to run Feisty, will my computer be able to upgrade to > Gutsy? Anything I should look out for? > Caroline > > Caroline >>> I'd recommend testing it first on your hardware by running it from the live CD. I've upgraded in the past on different machines: some have been fine; others haven't, and I've had to reinstall earlier versions. If it seems to work with your hardware using the live CD, follow Kris's advice about backing up your important files before upgrading, just in case. I'd also have a look the the Ubuntu 7.10 Release Notes on the Ubuntu site, which describes some issues you may need to be aware of. I don't want to put you off, especially as many folk have upgraded without difficulty. My experience with issues around older hardware now make me think that if I really need an older or slightly 'unusual' computer to work well because I'm using it every day for important stuff, then... 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it!' But if it's a machine that you don't mind having out of action for a while if something goes wrong, or you're upgrading for some specific reason (fixing a problem is a good reason), then go for it! HTH Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] wifi mini-survey
London School of Puppetry wrote: > Hi there I am using Ubuntu wirelessly on my lap top- but I don't know the > answer to your list of techy questions, but I can ask a friend. What is the > survey for? Caroline >>> For me! And I'm very grateful for all the interest shown by friends on this list. I hadn't had much response to a couple of wifi questions, and I began to wonder whether the idea that Ubuntu was great on the desktop should be taken literally: widely used on desktops; not much on laptops. And I was also aware of the many and various issues people on forums have always had with wifi: not just with drivers for interfaces, but with getting encryption to work, and hiding ESSIDs Anyway, I hope everyone has been interested to see that about twenty five of us reported having wifi operational (some on desktops; many on laptops). And most people have their wifi encrypted - either WEP or WPA - with pretty much everyone broadcasting the ESSID. Twenty five. What proportion of the whole membership is that, Al? About 20% (guessing)? Anyway, thanks again, everyone, for bothering to reply! Cheers Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] wifi mini-survey
Alan Pope wrote: > Hi Mac, > > On Sat, 2007-11-10 at 14:04 +, Mac wrote: >> Twenty five. What proportion of the whole membership is that, Al? >> About 20% (guessing)? >> > > We have about 450 members right now. > > 5% response rate. > > Cheers, > Al. > Al >>> Thanks for the info. Just shows how wrong a guess can be! And the response rate you provide - - give or take another 10%! - feels more like the relative level of laptop wifi use generally, if the content of the forums is any guide to a guestimate (not that my track record with guestimates is very impressive). If 10%-15% is about right, I wonder whether it goes some way to explaining why the kernel developers are, historically, perhaps a bit less bothered about wifi support: not enough people affected; not a crippling issue for the kernel. Let's hope the open wifi drivers project will make this area a bit easier. Cheers Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gmail
Neil Greenwood wrote: > Hi Kris, > > On 09/11/2007, Kris Douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Additionally, there is NO threat to your privacy, its just basic code. > > I'm not sure I'd go quite *that* far. There is some threat to your > privacy, it depends whether or not you believe Google when they say > "Do no evil"... > > Personally, I'm willing to accept the risk. > > Hwyl, > Neil. > Neil >>> I agree. And so does Eben Moglen: his talk on privacy is an intellectual tour de force (of course - this is Eben Moglen!) http://itc.conversationsnetwork.org/shows/detail1897.html (And he discusses Google - among other giants - specifically) Enjoy! Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] wifi mini-survey
Alan Pope wrote: > Hi Mac, > > On Sun, 2007-11-11 at 08:01 +, Mac wrote: >> feels more >> like the relative level of laptop wifi use generally, if the content of >> the forums is any guide to a guestimate (not that my track record with >> guestimates is very impressive). >> > > Depends who you ask. Last week at UDS I'd say wifi usage amongst > delegates was nearer 90+% > >> If 10%-15% is about right, I wonder whether it goes some way to >> explaining why the kernel developers are, historically, perhaps a bit >> less bothered about wifi support: > > They are? > > Is it even fair to point the finger at the kernel developers for what is > essentially a driver support problem from hardware manufacturers. Many > wifi chipset vendors are notoriously bad at providing specifications for > their kit to driver authors. > >> not enough people affected; not a >> crippling issue for the kernel. >> > > I'd bet a significant chunk of kernel devs use wifi in some way or > other. > >> Let's hope the open wifi drivers project will make this area a bit >> easier. > > I'd spend more time petitioning the hardware vendors myself. Given they > make the hardware, and often write drivers for other operating systems, > and of course have access to the specs. They're the best people to solve > this issue. > > Of course the other thing to do is stop buying hardware that isn't > supported. One reason I bought the laptop I did is because the wifi is > supported out of the box on linux. > > Cheers, > Al. > Al >>> Pace! You're quite right: the problem does originate with the hardware manufacturers; and it is not entirely fair to carp at the kernel developers. It's just that the developers have done such a great job with cd/dvd drives, printers and all manner of other bits and pieces that I have such faith that they could fix the wifi if they really put their minds to it. But that may just represent my ignorance about how hard that would be to do in practice. Forgive me if I don't have much hope about petitioning the manufacturers. I've just tried pressing TomTom about the fact that although their GO hardware runs entirely on GNU/linux software, they only offer Windows and Mac versions of their updating software. They advised me to run the Windows version and update that way! :-( I do try to buy hardware that's supported out of the box on linux - it's just that I've found it immensely difficult to identify particular PCMCIA cards, for example, with enough accurate and clear detail (e.g. name and model number of current stock) to look one up on DABS or Amazon, and order it with confidence. However, I must confess that I've just installed Dapper on my wife's old laptop, which has a broken wired NIC, shoved a new Netgear WG511T PCMCIA card into the slot, booted it, and connected instantly. And thanks for your correction to my impressions of how widespread the use of wifi might be. Revived my hope! Cheers Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing RealPlayer in Gutsy (Re: RealMedia streams (rtsp:) in Gutsy)
Alan Pope wrote: > So the line in sources.list would be:- > > deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy partner Al >>> The 7.10 Release Notes say deb http://archive.canonical.com/ gutsy partner Which is right? Or are they both right, so it doesn't matter? Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] No sound after install Gutsy
taufanlubis wrote: > Need your help. > The sound card in my laptop Toshiba A205-S4707 is: > Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition > Audio Controller (rev 02) > > Any idea how to make the sound card work? > I've tried to install the ALSA driver, but still no sound. > > The other problem is, how to enabled the rendering in Gutsy. I can't > make a cube desktop in the screen. > For Visual Effects from System > Preferences >Appereance, > I can set until 'Extra', so I still can use some effects. > direct rendering: No (LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT set) Taufan >>> Can't help with sound, but to get the cube and other fancy effects you need compizconfig-settings-manager: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/10/04/compiz-fusion-on-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbin/ Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] How to fix Gnome problem
I've been running Dapper with Gnome on a Dell Inspiron 8200 laptop with no problems. Recently, when I click the Log Out button I get a pop-up saying 'Your sessions has been saved'. I click OK on this pop-up and it closes, but the normal log out dialogue does not appear. When a click the log out button again, I just get returned to a fresh log on screen. The only way I can quit is via the System menu, or the options menu on the log on screen. I'd be glad of suggestions about how to repair. Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] How to fix Gnome problem
Pete / Daniel >>> Thanks for suggestions. I'm not sure how to get all the info I need in order to use , but I'll have a search. Upgrading is why I'm back to Dapper. In the past, I upgraded Dapper->Edgy, which was fine. Edgy->Feisty caused a problem, because Feisty didn't recognise the CD drive on my Inspiron (a reported kernel bug), but a kernel downgrade sorted that, and Feisty worked real good. Then I hopefully upgraded Feisty->Gutsy: CD drive recognition still broken, and various other issues; so had to do a reinstall. But couldn't reinstall Feisty (because of the kernel bug); Edgy not supported; so back to Dapper! If I can't suss the info for the xorg reconfig, I'll just reinstall Dapper from scratch, I guess. But does anyone know what keeps telling me 'Your session has been saved' when I try to log out? I guess it's Gnome? So can I disable it via preferences (where?) or a .conf file (how?). Perhaps if I could stop the session save, the log out might work properly. :-( Mac Pete Stean wrote: > I'd also add that laptop support is reported to be much better in > Gutsy... maybe time for an upgrade? > > Pete > > On 11/28/07, Daniel Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I just had problems after an update, so ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, >> after running throught the setup again it resolved it. >> >> Regards, >> Daniel >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac >> Sent: 28 November 2007 20:53 >> To: British Ubuntu Talk >> Subject: [ubuntu-uk] How to fix Gnome problem >> >> I've been running Dapper with Gnome on a Dell Inspiron 8200 laptop with >> no problems. Recently, when I click the Log Out button I get a pop-up >> saying 'Your sessions has been saved'. I click OK on this pop-up and it >> closes, but the normal log out dialogue does not appear. When a click >> the log out button again, I just get returned to a fresh log on screen. >> >> The only way I can quit is via the System menu, or the options menu on >> the log on screen. >> >> I'd be glad of suggestions about how to repair. >> >> Mac >> >> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ >> >> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ >> > > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] How to fix Gnome problem
Daniel Lamb wrote: > For the xorg setup run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as I said before by > pressing ctrl+alt+F1 then log in using your user name and password, then > type in sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg you will need to provide your > root password(which is the same as your users password), then run it > through, from my experience the default options offered by the xorg setup > will usually be the correct ones for your system. Daniel >>> Thanks for your reassuring advice. I've now tried the reconfig. Sad to say, I still get the 'Your session has been saved' message when I click the log out button; the proper log out screen does not appear; instead, the shutdown wav file plays, the screen clears to the desktop image, and then the log on screen reappears. Groundhog day! I have to do a Ctrl+Alt+F1, and issue the sudo shutdown 0 command to get to a point where I can turn the computer off. I think a reinstall may be the only solution. :-( Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] NFS and NetworkManager
Peter Lewis wrote: > So far as I can tell, my network connection is brought up when I log in to my > Kubuntu box, through the network manager tray icon. This connects me to my > wireless network. > > However, I have a couple of NFS shares, which are listed in fstab. They never > get brought up automatically though, since during booting, the network is not > up yet. I then have to do a 'sudo mount -a' to get them to come up *after* > I've logged in. > > I'm sure it's not supposed to work like this. How do I get the network up > earlier so that this isn't an issue? Pete >>> Does your /etc/fstab refer to these shares by their full IP address on the LAN or by a share name? I use the LAN IP addresses, and my shares mount automatically when the wireless network is up. (Tho' I use Gnome rather than KDE). Don't know if the form of the addressing matters, but if it's a factor, it may be worth a quick test. I should say that the mounting of network shares (I use CIFS) is not perfect: it sometimes takes a while for them to mount; and sometimes they don't, and, like you, I need to do a to get them up. But mostly they do come up when the wireless network becomes available. Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] How to fix Gnome problem
Tom Bamford wrote: > Mac wrote: >> Daniel >>> Thanks for your reassuring advice. I've now tried the >> reconfig. Sad to say, I still get the 'Your session has been saved' >> message when I click the log out button; the proper log out screen does >> not appear; instead, the shutdown wav file plays, the screen clears to >> the desktop image, and then the log on screen reappears. Groundhog day! >> I have to do a Ctrl+Alt+F1, and issue the sudo shutdown 0 command to >> get to a point where I can turn the computer off. >> >> I think a reinstall may be the only solution. :-( >> >> Mac > Before you nuke your system, have you tried adding a new user account > and logging in and out with that? The problem may lie in your home > directory files rather than 'in the system' somewhere. > > Regards, > Tom > Thanks for the suggestion. I confess I didn't get to try it, as was already having a go with Debian. Sadly, the install did not go smoothly, and I abandoned the project. But, prompted by Pete's suggestion, I looked again at Gutsy. I did a very careful, entirely-from-scratch download of the current iso, and was delighted to discover that the CD drive problem I'd experienced before on this Dell Inspiron 8200 had been resolved. So I've just installed Gutsy, which configured the Netgear WG511T wireless card instantly, and I'm now up and running again just fine. Thanks to everyone for giving their time and thought. Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cant run RealPLayer 10
Primax wrote: > I went to www.movieflix.com > > I wen to mystery to open a file to see and it went to realplayer > inbstead on movieplayer as was before, then a text editor opened up and > I got this:- > > rtsp://g2.movieflix.com/flix/raven3vd_b.rm Mike >>> Open a terminal and type realplay the RealPlayer should open. Then click on it (to make sure it's the active window) and type Ctrl+L. That should open a dialogue where you can paste your link rtsp://g2.movieflix.com/flix/raven3vd_b.rm Click OK, and wait (it takes a while for the stream to buffer - say 10-15 sec). The film should then play. If this sequence fails, can you post to tell us at what point it fails. Mac PS you don't need 'sudo realplay' in properties; just realplay -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cant run RealPLayer 10
Primax wrote: > Michael Holloway wrote: >> Can you open your terminal in "Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal" >> and type >> >> realplay >> >> Then copy and past the output into a reply to this email (the error may >> help us to figure it out) > Ok, I have done that, but sorry to say its a hell of a dump. > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ realplay > *** glibc detected *** /home/mike/RealPlayer/realplay.bin: double free > or corruption (out): 0x08289f40 *** Mike >>> Very sorry: I didn't see you'd already done this. Clearly, realplay is not installed properly, so I think your idea of uninstalling all the RealPlayer stuff and starting again may be a good idea. Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cant run RealPLayer 10
alan c wrote: > It was that experience which party decided me to only use things I > could install via synaptic, and further, to stay with mplayer (FOSS) > even though the functions and gui is not as good. Because of similar nightmares I now use aptitude routinely, and try only to install from debs from repositories. Aptitude seems to keep track of dependencies better than synaptic, so you can , and, better yet, when things get bad , which gets rid of pretty much everything including configuration files. I understand aptitude's now the preferred method for .debs; I wonder how many of us use it, and whether there are any issues with it (though can't say I've experienced any). Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cant run RealPLayer 10
Terence Simpson wrote: > "realplay" is "RealPlayer", it's not GNU/GPL. > It's also not in the repositories (probably in medibunti though), so > apt-get will fail. Terence >>> Yes, I wasn't being very precise. 'realplay' is the package name, which Primax would need to look it up in Synaptic (and not 'realplayer', so it can be confusing.) It is the package for RealPlayer 10, about which the notes say "RealPlayer 10 for Linux is based on the open source Helix player. "RealPlayer 10 supports RealAudio, RealVideo 10, MP3, Ogg Vorbis and Theora, H263, AAC and more. Get ready for accelerated video, full screen playback, and a lot more to play." That's why I assumed it was basically GNU/GPL. The version I'm using is in Feisty-Commercial. Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cant run RealPLayer 10
Primax wrote: > Cant run RealPLayer 10 > > Hi All using Ubuntu 7.10 with all updates. > I downloaded RealPlayer10GOLD.bin to my Home directory. > > I used chmod a+x RealPlayer10GOLD.bin [enter] > then sudo ./RealPlayer10GGOLD.bin [enter] > Password [enter] > prompt [enter] > /opt/RealPlayer [enter] > copying files... [enter] > When asked whether to allow Installer to configure system wide symbolic > links, type Y, and press ENTER, (this I did) > > [enter] > > RealPlayer was finished, the Icon came to Applications, Sound & Video. > > I put the Icon on the Desktop. > > Doubled clicked on it and nothing. > > In the Properties of the RealPlayer Icon I see in the Command "realplay" > > I can not get RealPlayer to run. > > Can any one hep please? > > I done exactly from a book called Ubuntu Linux For Non-Geeks > > This also comes from some websites about RealPlayer10GOLD.bin > TIA, > > AFIK RealPlayer10 uses the GNU/Linux module 'realplay'. So you need to have that installed. In a terminal, type : sudo aptitude update sudo aptitude install realplay (you'll need to enter your 'login' password when asked) HTH Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cant run RealPLayer 10
Mac wrote: > ...Aptitude seems to keep track of > dependencies better than synaptic, so you can 'packagename'>, and, better yet, when things get bad purge 'packagename'>, ... By 'packagename' I mean, of course, the name that you find listed in, say, synaptic (e.g. 'realplay' or 'mozilla-thunderbird'). In fact I tend to search for packages with the synaptic 'Search' feature, and then install from a terminal with aptitude. Does anyone use the aptitude GUI? (Perhaps I should say "GUI", as it's more a 'sort-of' GUI - the one that starts when you just do 'aptitude' in a terminal. Quite powerful, but old-fashioned and clunky.) Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] NASA TV
Alan Pope wrote: > http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/ > > I just tried visiting this (albeit not in Ubuntu) on a brand new Asus Eee PC > running Xandros and it Just Works. Worth noting that it uses mplayer with > the mplayer mozilla plugin (which I do indeed also use under Ubuntu), so > would assume it will work on my Ubuntu laptop too). > > I would use the package manager to install the mozila-mplayer package. > Interestingly I also use this package to play real media based streams such > as the BBC, and again, it Just Works. Yes, that link just works for me with a similar Firefox set-up running in Feisty (though the connection at this time of the morning is not wonderful, and the stream takes a while to buffer and get the sound and video in sync properly.) Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] IDE -> SATA
norman wrote: < snip > > Just to follow up on what you have written I have 4 connections for SATA > drives but, I have not got an actual diagram of the motherboard. I would > like to know whether the connections are labelled 1 to 4 or is it just a > case of first come first served? Norman >>> IIRC it's not first come first served: they are an ordered sequence, and the first one will be the master. At least, that's my recollection from last time I installed a couple of SATAs in a Dell box. Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] IDE -> SATA
Pete Stean wrote: > You're right about the connecting sequence - all things being equal > "SATA1" (very probably printed next to the connector on the > motherboard, but you might need a magnifying glass and a torch) will > be master, however in the BIOS of my motherboard in addition to being > able to change the sequence of devices to select for boot, once you > have selected 'HDD' you can *also* change the sequence of the > connected HDD drives, so on my machine the master could be anything > from SATA1 to SATA6... Ah, right. Like Norman, I'm a bit of an old-timer (/pace/, Norman!), and was used to setting jumpers on IDE drives for masters and slaves; so I guess I just transferred this habit to SATA, and assumed it was a hardware thing there, too. Never thought of checking for BIOS settings when the drives were installed! Doh! Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Getting some KDE features in Gnome.
Alan Pope wrote: > On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 04:35:27PM +, Andrew Jenkins wrote: >> The first (and only that comes to mind at the moment) >> is Nautilus v Konqueror. In Konqueror I always had >> a two-pane (left-right) display to allow for very >> easy dragging and dropping between any two locations. > > You can do that in Nautilus too. Just choose "Tree" on the left hand pane. Or just open two instances of Nautilus, and drag-and-drop between them to your hearts content! Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cant run RealPLayer 10
Primax wrote: > Ok in the end I done another install of RealPlayer, I then got some > codecs from Synaptics for MPlayer and great I can now view what I what to. > I mainly use this website to view. > > www.movieflix.com Mike >>> Well done! I bet you're really pleased. I'm really impressed with your perseverance! Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Running apps at startup.
Andrew Jenkins wrote: > ...if I wanted to > have an application run at startup which file should > I edit and add the command to? Could you add it to System/Preferences/Sessions/Startup Programs? Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Problems with the latest Seagates?
You may have seen this report about problems with the latest Seagate USB drives with GNU/Linux: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/12/06/seagate-snubs-linux Does anyone know how accurate this is? I've been thinking of getting a 500Gb USB drive, and I've tended to use Seagates in the past. I may need to think again. What do you reckon? How about Maxtor instead? (Yes, I know, Seagate owns them, too; but I don't think the redesign has included Maxtors - yet???) Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Internet access for second user
Tony Travis wrote: > Keith Bowerman wrote: >> I have two large hard drives on this computer with Ubuntu 7.10 on the >> first and Kubuntu 7.10 on the second. >> >> I am the administrator on both and there is a second user, my partner, >> on each. When I boot up the machine and log-in in my name, Internet >> access is normal. However, if my partner switches on the machine and >> logs-in in her name, the wireless network does not start and asks for >> the password. Firstly my partner does not know the password and I can't >> see the point of her having to go through such a procedure anyway. >> Secondly, if we switch user to myself, the problem persists and short of >> resetting the network configuration the only way I can fix it is by >> rebooting and logging into my account. >> >> This happens on both operating systems and it effectively means that my >> partner can only use the computer with Internet access when I am at >> home. >> >> Has anyone any idea how to solve this problem for us? > > Hello, Keith. > > Try making your partner's user an administrator by clicking on: > > System / Administration / Users and Groups > > Select her username from the list of users, then click 'Properties' on > the right panel and select 'User privileges'. Tick 'Executing system > administration tasks'. Configuring WiFi is a system administration task. > > Tony. But once it's configured on the system, shouldn't it be available to other users, whether they're admins or not? (Otherwise, it feels a bit like everyone having to bring their own router when they want to use the computer, doesn't it?) I do have some sympathy with Keith - I had exactly the same problem. I asked on the list about it, but didn't get any replies. So I'm watching hopefully! Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Internet access for second user
Tony Travis wrote: > Yes, In principle, but network manager configures the network on a > per-user basis and this requires admin authority. Personally, I use > "WiFi Radar", which is brilliant! Tony >>> I've been wondering whether to switch to WiFi Radar, but nervous because at least network manager at last got my wifi connected (after much hassle and frustration), and I don't want to make matters worse! Would it be wise to uninstall n-m first, before installing Wifi Radar, or could I just add Radar and use it without removing n-m first? Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Internet access for second user
Mac wrote: > Tony Travis wrote: > >> Yes, In principle, but network manager configures the network on a >> per-user basis and this requires admin authority. Personally, I use >> "WiFi Radar", which is brilliant! > > > Tony >>> I've been wondering whether to switch to WiFi Radar, but > nervous because at least network manager at last got my wifi connected > (after much hassle and frustration), and I don't want to make matters > worse! Would it be wise to uninstall n-m first, before installing Wifi > Radar, or could I just add Radar and use it without removing n-m first? > > Mac > Actually, I use network-manager-gnome for connecting to my wireless LAN; I leave the network-manager settings as 'roving' (Gutsy). Trying to configure network-manager manually has never seemed to work for me. But I've never really understood the relationship between n-m-g and n-m; so I'm not sure whether switching to WiFi Radar would involve removing both n-m and n-m-g, or just n-m-g, or neither. Any specific advice about setting up WiF Radar would be very welcome. Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problems with the latest Seagates?
alan c wrote: > The power saving system is the problem and although it can be > disabled, (using something like > sdparm --clear STANDBY -6 /dev/sd[Your device] ) I believe seagate do > not accept it as covered by warranty. It is not simply a matter of > fomatting the (NTFS) drive. I certainly will not be putting any money > seagate (or maxtor) way until further notice! Got any thoughts about what to use instead? D -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] eeeXubuntu
Alan Pope wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 12:11:34PM +, Colin McCarthy wrote: >> I'm planning on giving it ago on my unit tomorrow. Has anyone else put a >> 'different' OS on their eeePC? > > I have Ubuntu on mine :) > >> I have been so impressed with the simple GUI and it's features I haven't >> really had the desire to change it. >> > > I was impressed too, but KDE apps started to annoy me so I wiped it and put > Ubuntu on because that's what I'm used to. > > Cheers, > Al. > Did you install from a USB CD ROM drive, or with this method: http://tinyurl.com/266w9u Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problems with the latest Seagates?
Tony Arnold wrote: >> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/07/western_digital_drm_crippled_harddrive/ > > I read this to mean some software that WD provide and that the crippling > is not necessarily in the drive itself (not sure how it could be, to be > honest). Tony >>> On closer reading, I think you're right: the issue is to do with the WD Anywhere Access™ utility. So, presumably you can just reformat the thing, and use the 1TB how you like. So I'll put Western Digital back on the list of possibles. I've never used their USBs / NAS drives; but I've been very pleased with the little WD800UE I put in my laptop - silent and reliable. Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problems with the latest Seagates?
Alan Pope wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 08:23:50AM +0000, Mac wrote: >> alan c wrote: >> >> > The power saving system is the problem and although it can be >> > disabled, (using something like >> > sdparm --clear STANDBY -6 /dev/sd[Your device] ) I believe seagate do >> > not accept it as covered by warranty. It is not simply a matter of >> > fomatting the (NTFS) drive. I certainly will not be putting any money >> > seagate (or maxtor) way until further notice! >> >> >> Got any thoughts about what to use instead? >> > > Western Digital? > > Cheers, > Al. > Mmmm. Not sure about that, Al: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/07/western_digital_drm_crippled_harddrive/ Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] eeeXubuntu
Alan Pope wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 02:29:50PM +0000, Mac wrote: >> Did you install from a USB CD ROM drive, or with this method: >> >> http://tinyurl.com/266w9u >> > > http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ubuntu > > I used the method of putting a minimal install on a usb stick, booting off > that and then using that to install onto the internal "disk" on the eee. > > Cheers, > Al. > Neat! Thanks for the URL. Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fw: Mp3 to Ogg Conversion
Stuart Bird wrote: > Another factor is (I could probably get this from Google but may as > well ask now I am here) will the ogg files play on my iPod? You'd have to convert the ogg's again (more losses!!). (Yep - lots on Google.) Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] FWD: [[Hampshire] Report on Tesco Ubuntu machine]
MailGroups wrote: >...I'd guess that if 10% of them go back, Tesco > won't be stocking any more of them in the future... I see from the TESCO site that they are 'temporarily' out of stock. Place your bets? Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch
Eddie Armstrong wrote: > Mark Allison wrote: >> Have many of you managed to get older, non-techie people to switch >> happily? >> > many of us *are* " older, non-techie people" :-) Yeah, Eddie! Let's hear it for us seriously ancient, technologically decrepit listees! (BTW, I wonder what the average age of the list actually is???) ;-) Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch
Michael Holloway wrote: > On Fri, 2007-12-21 at 12:01 +0000, Mac wrote: >> Yeah, Eddie! Let's hear it for us seriously ancient, technologically >> decrepit listees! (BTW, I wonder what the average age of the list >> actually is???) > > We should set up a poll on launchpad or whatever to find out :) Oh dear, we'll need someone young and techie to do that... ;-) Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch
Kirrus wrote: > - "Mac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Michael Holloway wrote: >> > On Fri, 2007-12-21 at 12:01 +, Mac wrote: >> >> Yeah, Eddie! Let's hear it for us seriously ancient, >> technologically >> >> decrepit listees! (BTW, I wonder what the average age of the list >> >> >> actually is???) >> > >> > We should set up a poll on launchpad or whatever to find out :) >> >> Oh dear, we'll need someone young and techie to do that... >> >> ;-) >> > > http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/316250 > > Done ;) > > Poll started today, will close on January 31st, so get your votes in now! > I'll post the results here. > > Regards, > > Kirrus > Brilliant! You must be very young, or very techie, or both. ;-) Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
