Re: [ubuntu-uk] computer fairs
On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 20:06 +, Paul Sutton wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I did a google search for uk computer fairs and found the followin site > > http://www.britishcomputerfairs.com/index.htm > > there is a contact form, on the site which I tried to use to ask for > more fairs here in devon as the nearest one is bristol > > However the page is broken, as I get invalid recpipent, > > I looked around on the site, and found the webmasters e-mail so sent an > e-mail letting them know of the problem. > > Once it's fixed (if it gets fixed), perhaps we can lobby them to get > some fairs down here in devon. > > they say london and the south east, not sure how bristol gets classed as > the south east, perhaps they are expanding. > > lets see what happens > > Paul This is interesting, on their forum: http://www.afm96.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=320 The reasons why fairs are dying out, and vendors switching to online stores. Dianne -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] N.H.S
I think the cost of replacing microslow with linux might be higher and the testing involved in making sure other system build to work on microslow would have to have rework done to get them work on Linux. Regards Bob On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Rik Boland wrote: > There has been talk about Microslop getting out of schools but what about > the NHS how much does it cost per year for them to use Microslow. Is it one > nurse, or a ward or even more? > > > Rik Boland > 15 Stanley Place, Lancaster, LA1 5PN Mobile 07866439588 > > We need Justice but we also need Grace and Mercy from God to do this. > > > --- On *Mon, 9/2/09, Paul Sutton * wrote: > > From: Paul Sutton > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] marketing - oops included url this time > To: "British Ubuntu Talk" , l...@dcglug.org.uk > Date: Monday, 9 February, 2009, 7:39 PM > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > James Milligan wrote: > > Sorry if I've missed something but where can you get the files? > > > > James > > > www.zleap.net > under downloads then under ubuntu. > > > > Paul > > > > On 9 Feb 2009, at 19:20, Paul Sutton wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > I have created a mini advert type thing thats probably small enough to > > go in the window of a shop, (e.g newsagent), it has link to the > > dcglug, but its aimed and promoting ubuntu and more importantly > > support > > networks via the lug, (mail discussion list) > > > > released as creative commons so you are free to use, edit, improve > > etc etc. > > > > hope it helps > > > > file formats .pdf and .odf > > > > > Paul > >> > - -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > > - -- > Paul Sutton > www.zleap.net > Support Open and ISO standard file formats ISO 26300 odf > http://www.odfalliance.org > Next Linux User Group meet : March 7th : 3pm, Shoreline Cafe Paignton > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkmQhngACgkQaggq1k2FJq0nRgCdFVQGHPw6Gh5oecad8QwW0IZE > Bn4AnA4ApDL0YZhOTmFTmucDJno9Mbmm > =7ATc > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > > -- Robert Flatters, AMBSC -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Dual boot on Macbook problems
Hi -- I tried last night to install Ubuntu on an external FW drive on my Macbook.It wouldn't reboot from the external drive, and managed to kill the install on my main HD -- hopefully the drive itself is ok, but I'm not sure (I can see it in the restore list). I tried restoring from TimeMachine to my internal drive, but that didn't work, so I ended up restoring OSX to the external drive, and am currently booting from that. What I'm hoping to do now, then, is to install Ubuntu on the internal HD, as I want to use it as my main dev environment anyway, so that could all have worked out in the end, if my internal HD is ok. I thought, however, I'd ask the expert collective about any potential gotchas before trying this -- there appear to be a few to ubuntu on a mac that I was not previously aware of! ;) Cheers, Doug. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Help get Windows out of schools (UK Marketing!)
On 09/02/2009 19:53, Paul Sutton wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > >> I just wish there were computer fairs down here in Devon, there used to >> be one a few years back but nothing like that now, the nearest thing is >> a car boot sale. I wonder actually if we'd be able to give away Ubuntu >> CDs at car boot sales without trading standards thinking we were giving >> away pirate software? (they don'#t seem to do much about the pirate DVD >> sellers at least). >> > > > Yes, my 3 page flyer, well 3 separate flyers stapled together, if you > gave people one of these with the cd; it would show that the cd is fully > legal and you are not breaking the law by giving copies away. > > There HAS to be a way of getting some sort of computer fair back in devon, > > Perhaps we can construct a letter to one of the big computer mags (pcw > for example) and ask for some, or simply contact a few organsisers and > ask em to bring a fair down, > I think you'd have more luck with MicroMart as they seem to target the demographic who go to computer fairs (at least they used to). Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Help get Windows out of schools
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 12:18 AM, David King wrote: > It is far better to teach the children the fundamentals of computing, > and how to use any computer system regardless of which interface is > used, so that in the future, when it is all different, they will still > be able to use a computer. I think that's the key they should be teaching the fundamentals of computing, not any particular package or operating system. And that's why I think this petition is flawed, because it won't succeed whilst it's worded as it is. This thread has the wrong name... it's not a case of getting Windows out of schools, it's a case of getting a mixture of computer architectures into schools and ensuring that education isn't based on any particular platform. "We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source" Why?? Why is that not JUST as bad as Windows? That's why I will not be signing this petition - because it's missing the point. It would be wrong to stop children experiencing Windows because, like it or not, at the moment that is most likely to be the OS that they will encounter when they start work.But that should not be the ONLY thing they experience. And, as I've said above, they should not be told "to write a document you open Word and click on..." but rather "word processors are used to write documents, and come in many forms" and then given principles not specifics. My school, when I was doing my 'a' levels, used those funny Amstrad PC things with their 3" disks etc. - that didn't stop me using word processors or spreadsheets on other platforms. Not sure what operating system they ran but it definitely wasn't Windows or CP-M (which the CPC word processor things ran, from memory). Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] computer fairs
On 09/02/2009 21:50, Alan Pope wrote: > 2009/2/9 Paul Sutton: > >> I am sure if one was organised there are enough of us here, on both >> lists to have a good presence to represent free software. >> >> > > I applaud your optimism. Past history indicates this isn't necessarily > an accurate prediction of the future. > > Go with it though, it's certainly worth pursuing. > > Cheers, > Al. > > I did briefly look into running a computer fair down here in Devon although the costs on hiring a big enough venue were pretty high. Not too bad if you have the money to spend on such a project (say paying for room hire, insurance etc in advance) and then approaching local computer sellers (or even sellers nearer to Bristol even) but I certainly couldn't afford the costs involved (I think the hire of the room for a day was close to £1000). Not sure if it's worth contacting some of the local computer busineses anyway and see if they'd be interested in a smaller venue, the Exwick Community Centre would be big enough for a small fair with maybe around 10 companies. But then you have the cost of advertising such an event in the local paper and maybe some of the more specalist computer magazines such as Micromart. Rob Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Help get Windows out of schools (UK Marketing!)
sounds a good plan, I can drop em an e-mail and ask nd see if they publish it, if others do the same then perhaps they can indicate some level of interest in the south west. Paul > I think you'd have more luck with MicroMart as they seem to target the > demographic who go to computer fairs (at least they used to). > > Rob > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] computer fairs
Would it not be sensible to combine a computer fair with other collectors type fairs, such as (perhaps) antiques and records? I don't think any of these things justify the hire of a hall these days on their own, but would quite happily work combined - with free entry, ideally, paid for by the exhibitors. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Help get Windows out of schools
On 10/02/2009 00:18, David King wrote: > I signed the petition as well. > > I am thinking that the schools'/education system's thinking is a bit out > of date. Why teach the children just one OS when there are many choices > now in the real world? Not all companies use the same OS. Some use > Windows XP, some use Windows Vista, and on servers they have Windows > Server. And sometimes even earlier versions of Windows. Plus some use > Mac OS X or earlier Mac OS versions. And some use Linux, including in > many places on servers. So limiting children's education to just one OS > will leave them greatly disadvantaged when they reach the real world. > Especially as whatever system they are taught in their early school > years may well be completely obsolete by the time they become adults. > That's true, when I was at school we had Windows 3.0 and Word 1.0, how things have changed. I get lost on Office 2007 even though I can quite comfortably find my way around Office 2003. At my kids school they have Windows XP and Office 2003 so if my kids were introduced to Office 2007 they wouldn't know where ot start. > If I had children, I would encourage them to experiment with different > operating systems and tell them that they need to learn a variety in > order to be better prepared for the future. Just as it is worthwhile for > children to learn more than one language, although the way languages are > taught is probably really nowhere near good enough. I learnt French and > German at school but cannot fluently use either. In computing, I learnt > the BBC Micro, with its card reader. I wrote programs in BASIC and > transferred those to filling in boxes for each character on special > cards which went into the card reader to feed the program into the > computer. By the time I left school and went to university such systems > were obsolete and I used a PC with DOS. Now DOS is obsolete, and so on. > > My kids PC is running Ubuntu 8.10, as long as they have been using a PC at home they have been using Ubuntu. They use Windows XP at school (and on their mum's PC) and they can get on well with both. At the moment they have been tinkering with Google Earth and Tuxpaint. I have also recently given them access to Firefox (albeit running through DansGuardian and with me sat helping them). Today I started telloing them about Logo, I'm hoping that I can introduce them to it at an early age so they get more interested and then hopefully maybe introduce them to Basic (maybe using Gambas). I doubt they'd be introduced to Logo at Primary School, more likely Secondary School if they're lucky. It seems to me that these days the kids who are only exposed to Windows and proprietory softare are at a disadvantage. It's not like the olden days when you had something like Basic built into your computer so you could start tinkering, at least with FLOSS (on Linux, Mac or Windows) you can get the software for free and start playing. Rob > It is far better to teach the children the fundamentals of computing, > and how to use any computer system regardless of which interface is > used, so that in the future, when it is all different, they will still > be able to use a computer. > > > David King > > > Paul Sutton wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Aparently primnary schools are forced to use MS office so the children >> are ready for what is used in Secondary schools which is I guess a fair >> argument i guess. And i guess secondaries feel obliged to use MS office >> as they see it as "industry standard." >> >> However looking at what happen at the exwick community centre where they >> children/ Young people and adults there seemed to have little problem >> finding their way around ubuntu (which looks a lot different to >> windows), it proves that the children would have no problems going from >> say open office to Ms office in the secondary school, ( I am only going >> from what has been said in the e-mails since) >> >> I am not an expert, but it seems no matter what justification people try >> and use for using Windows, there is a way round it, Kids / young people >> can simply adapt, I am 33 and having used KDE for years, installed >> ubuntu (using gnome) had no problem with it, ok it take a while to find >> what I need, but I have 3 menus, applications, places, adn system, so >> its pretty obvious what each one is for, >> >> When we have more write ups, we should have more observations and >> evidence to back the above up, >> >> Paul >> >> >> David King wrote: >> >> >>> The other way to get windows out of schools is to remove the glass and >>> replace with bricks :-) >>> >>> David King >>> >>> >>> Vinothan Shankar wrote: >>> >>> I've created a petition to the Prime Minister to make the primary OS in schools free and open source - it can be found at http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/nonMSschools. To anyone that points out I should h
Re: [ubuntu-uk] computer fairs
On 10/02/2009 08:54, Dianne Reuby wrote: > This is interesting, on their forum: > http://www.afm96.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=320 > > The reasons why fairs are dying out, and vendors switching to online > stores. > > Dianne > Although I do buy a lot of stuff online now, there's often times I need to get something small which doesn't warrant high delivery costs. For instance I occasionally buy blank DVDs and CDs but often not many at a time, last year when SVP was in Paignton I'd just order online and pick them up same day from their warehouse (it was cheaper in fuel than postage from where I lived) but now it seems that the prices have gone up and the quality of their product range have gone down, not to mention I have to pay £6 for delivery. Nowadays I either wait until they have the cheap shipping offers or just get discs locally. If there were computer fairs in my area I'd take my business to them. When I lived in Derby there was a computer fair at a local sports hall about 5 mins away from where I lived, I'd go every time (there were usually 2 a month on) and I'd often spend a good £30 or £40 a time. I wouldn't be surprised if a few people did the same, often buying something like a addon card or something that they wouldn't normally get because it was cheap. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] computer fairs
Hi Guys, Anything like this happening in Scotland? Kind Regards, Jai 2009/2/10 Rob Beard > On 10/02/2009 08:54, Dianne Reuby wrote: > > This is interesting, on their forum: > > http://www.afm96.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=320 > > > > The reasons why fairs are dying out, and vendors switching to online > > stores. > > > > Dianne > > > Although I do buy a lot of stuff online now, there's often times I need > to get something small which doesn't warrant high delivery costs. For > instance I occasionally buy blank DVDs and CDs but often not many at a > time, last year when SVP was in Paignton I'd just order online and pick > them up same day from their warehouse (it was cheaper in fuel than > postage from where I lived) but now it seems that the prices have gone > up and the quality of their product range have gone down, not to mention > I have to pay £6 for delivery. Nowadays I either wait until they have > the cheap shipping offers or just get discs locally. > > If there were computer fairs in my area I'd take my business to them. > When I lived in Derby there was a computer fair at a local sports hall > about 5 mins away from where I lived, I'd go every time (there were > usually 2 a month on) and I'd often spend a good £30 or £40 a time. I > wouldn't be surprised if a few people did the same, often buying > something like a addon card or something that they wouldn't normally get > because it was cheap. > > Rob > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] computer fairs
On 10/02/2009 11:03, Sean Miller wrote: > Would it not be sensible to combine a computer fair with other > collectors type fairs, such as (perhaps) antiques and records? > > I don't think any of these things justify the hire of a hall these > days on their own, but would quite happily work combined - with free > entry, ideally, paid for by the exhibitors. > > Sean > Actually that's not a bad idea. A few years back (well, okay more like 17 years ago) I went to a Amateur Radio & Electronics fair and apart from having an amazing range of electronics they also had some stalls selling new and second user computer bits. IIRC I managed to pick up a 12" VGA monitor for about £30, a duff 170MB hard drive and a copy of OS/2 2.0 :-) Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] computer fairs
Amateur Radio rallies are arranged throughout the uk, often advertised as Radio and Computer Rally. Computers are used in Amateur Radio, would be nice to see applications written for Linux and not just microslow. The RSGB has a list of rally dates and locations, please tell me if you have problems finding information. Michael. --- On Tue, 10/2/09, Rob Beard wrote: > From: Rob Beard > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] computer fairs > To: "British Ubuntu Talk" > Date: Tuesday, 10 February, 2009, 11:39 AM > On 10/02/2009 11:03, Sean Miller wrote: > > Would it not be sensible to combine a computer fair > with other > > collectors type fairs, such as (perhaps) antiques and > records? > > > > I don't think any of these things justify the hire > of a hall these > > days on their own, but would quite happily work > combined - with free > > entry, ideally, paid for by the exhibitors. > > > > Sean > > > Actually that's not a bad idea. A few years back > (well, okay more like > 17 years ago) I went to a Amateur Radio & Electronics > fair and apart > from having an amazing range of electronics they also had > some stalls > selling new and second user computer bits. IIRC I managed > to pick up a > 12" VGA monitor for about £30, a duff 170MB hard > drive and a copy of > OS/2 2.0 :-) > > Rob > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] N.H.S
IIRC, Microsoft won the contract in 2004/5, but the NHS used a linux solution (from Sun?) as a bargaining point to get a lower price from Microsoft. The price paid for the cost of the licenses was £500m. Please can we refer to Microsoft by the proper name, it looks childish and goes against the image that is needed to win these contracts that are viewed as important use cases. Matt. On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Robert Flatters wrote: > I think the cost of replacing microslow with linux might be higher and the > testing involved in making sure other system build to work on microslow > would have to have rework done to get them work on Linux. > > Regards > > Bob > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Rik Boland > wrote: >> >> There has been talk about Microslop getting out of schools but what about >> the NHS how much does it cost per year for them to use Microslow. Is it one >> nurse, or a ward or even more? >> >> Rik Boland >> 15 Stanley Place, Lancaster, LA1 5PN Mobile 07866439588 >> >> We need Justice but we also need Grace and Mercy from God to do this. >> >> >> --- On Mon, 9/2/09, Paul Sutton wrote: >> >> From: Paul Sutton >> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] marketing - oops included url this time >> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" , l...@dcglug.org.uk >> Date: Monday, 9 February, 2009, 7:39 PM >> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> James Milligan wrote: >> > Sorry if I've missed something but where can you get the files? >> > >> > James >> >> >> www.zleap.net >> >> under downloads then under ubuntu. >> >> >> >> Paul >> > >> > On 9 Feb 2009, at 19:20, Paul Sutton wrote: >> > >> > Hi >> > >> >> > I have created a mini advert type thing thats probably small enough to >> > go in the window of a shop, (e.g newsagent), it has link to the >> > dcglug, but its aimed and promoting ubuntu and more importantly >> >> > support >> > networks via the lug, (mail discussion list) >> > >> > released as creative commons so you are free to use, edit, improve >> > etc etc. >> > >> > hope it helps >> > >> > file formats .pdf and .odf >> >> > >> >> > Paul >> >> >> - -- >> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >> >> - -- >> Paul Sutton >> www.zleap.net >> Support Open and ISO standard file formats ISO 26300 odf >> >> http://www.odfalliance.org >> Next Linux User Group meet : March 7th : 3pm, Shoreline Cafe Paignton >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >> >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkmQhngACgkQaggq1k2FJq0nRgCdFVQGHPw6Gh5oecad8QwW0IZE >> Bn4AnA4ApDL0YZhOTmFTmucDJno9Mbmm >> >> =7ATc >> -END PGP SIGNATURE- >> >> -- >> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >> >> -- >> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >> > > > > -- > Robert Flatters, AMBSC > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] computer fairs
Matt Jones wrote: > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Paul Sutton wrote: >> [...] > > http://infopointproject.org/wordpress/ > Looks to be a little dead now, but was exactly what you described, I > think it was started by Jono and some of the other lugradio guys. > Matt. I use Infopoint as a branding when negotiating with British Computer Fairs for my Bracknell events. Jono made contact with BCF a long time ago and I believe they agreed in principle that if a table was not booked by the time the event was scheduled, then Infopoint could negotiate specially favourable terms for that table. I will resist stating more detail in public. I belatedly rekindled th econtact with BCF for Bracknell Infopoint is a very useful site and brand. I trust it will continue. I am a continuing user of the brand name but do not have much time to keep my own information there up to date. My (special) arrangement with BCF is basically that I am not 'trading'. That is, any money (or donations) that are collected are demonstrably covering material cost on a non profit basis. The cost of a table to a trader is around 35 pounds. Since BCF do not have any motivation towards charity, they are a business after all, there is no formal way of consolidating the special arrangement. I think BCF are reasonably happy with the arrangement. I obviously attract paying people through the gate. On some occasions there is a small queue of people waiting to talk to me (!) I attend very regularly, and inform BCF if I cannot get to any particular event. All leaflets, information sheets etc are free, CDs tend to be one pound each, with flexibility. I do give CDs for free although tact is needed because it is a retail environment and the customers feel uncomfortable if they do not give payment. Funny old world? One person only had 50p left in the pocket which was ok, another came along and said 'a pound? It is free software!' I said, yes, and if you want it free I will give it to you for nothing - here - although I ask for a pound donation is that is? I would have given it free, although he happily then gave a pound. The most poplar leaflet in the last event (Sunday 8th feb '09) was entitled 'A tale of two experiences - or why I dont use Windows' a slightly edited version, with attribution, of the blog http://linuxcanuck.wordpress.com/2008/06/03/a-tale-of-two-experiences-or-why-i-dont-use-windows/ BTW I find that actual CDs of Opendisc or The OPen Education Disc are not absolutely necessary - an A4 sheet with contents details and some links and explanation gets taken a lot too. I use the Title '39 Quality Programs for Windows!' (in very large type) -- alan cocks Ubuntu user #10391 Linux user #360648 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] computer fairs
On 10/02/2009 11:53, mike daniels wrote: > Amateur Radio rallies are arranged throughout the uk, often advertised as > Radio and Computer Rally. Computers are used in Amateur Radio, would be nice > to see applications written for Linux and not just microslow. > The RSGB has a list of rally dates and locations, please tell me if you have > problems finding information. Michael. > Would this be the right place to look? - http://www.rsgb.org/events/index.php I see there is a Dartmoor Radio Rally in Tavistock in May, not sure if they would have any computer bits. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] N.H.S
2009/2/10 Matt Jones : > Please can we refer to Microsoft by the proper name, it looks childish > and goes against the image that is needed to win these contracts that > are viewed as important use cases. > +1 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] computer fairs
Paul Sutton wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > >> >> The good news is that one of our very own - Alan Cocks is doing great >> work in Bracknell, Berkshire. He's probably run more stands at >> computer fairs than any of the other teams put together! >> >> If you want to know anything about running stands at computer fairs, >> he's your man! :) >> >> Cheers, >> Al. >> > I am sure if one was organised there are enough of us here, on both > lists to have a good presence to represent free software. > > Lets see what happens. > Paul Just a thought: If you make it an undiluted 'Ubuntu' stand you may fall foul of the confusion that considers Ubuntu to be a commercial product (being sponsored) and therefore not applicable for a non trading status. I could not continue if I had 35 pound costs for each table. On occasions I have three tables.. This is where the FOSS and Infopoint branding identity is so very useful. there is a lot of FOSS for Windows, which I also show. -- alan cocks Ubuntu user #10391 Linux user #360648 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] computer fairs
On 10/02/2009 12:07, alan c wrote: > Matt Jones wrote: > >> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Paul Sutton wrote: >> > [...] > >> http://infopointproject.org/wordpress/ >> Looks to be a little dead now, but was exactly what you described, I >> think it was started by Jono and some of the other lugradio guys. >> Matt. >> > > I use Infopoint as a branding when negotiating with British Computer > Fairs for my Bracknell events. > > Jono made contact with BCF a long time ago and I believe they agreed > in principle that if a table was not booked by the time the event was > scheduled, then Infopoint could negotiate specially favourable terms > for that table. I will resist stating more detail in public. I > belatedly rekindled th econtact with BCF for Bracknell > > Infopoint is a very useful site and brand. I trust it will continue. I > am a continuing user of the brand name but do not have much time to > keep my own information there up to date. > > Interesting, so do you have a banner or something that says Infopoint? Am I right in thinking that anyone who may go to the Infopoint without not knowing what it is would just think it's an information desk rather than to do with Free Software? > My (special) arrangement with BCF is basically that I am not > 'trading'. That is, any money (or donations) that are collected are > demonstrably covering material cost on a non profit basis. The cost of > a table to a trader is around 35 pounds. Since BCF do not have any > motivation towards charity, they are a business after all, there is no > formal way of consolidating the special arrangement. I think BCF are > reasonably happy with the arrangement. I obviously attract paying > people through the gate. On some occasions there is a small queue of > people waiting to talk to me (!) I attend very regularly, and inform > BCF if I cannot get to any particular event. > > All leaflets, information sheets etc are free, CDs tend to be one > pound each, with flexibility. I do give CDs for free although tact is > needed because it is a retail environment and the customers feel > uncomfortable if they do not give payment. Funny old world? > One person only had 50p left in the pocket which was ok, another came > along and said 'a pound? It is free software!' I said, yes, and if you > want it free I will give it to you for nothing - here - although I > ask for a pound donation is that is? I would have given it free, > although he happily then gave a pound. > That sounds fair, £1 should in theory cover any costs for decent CD media, labels, sleves or cases and duplication. I hardly see you making much of a profit when charging £1 a disc :-) > The most poplar leaflet in the last event (Sunday 8th feb '09) was > entitled 'A tale of two experiences - or why I dont use Windows' a > slightly edited version, with attribution, of the blog > http://linuxcanuck.wordpress.com/2008/06/03/a-tale-of-two-experiences-or-why-i-dont-use-windows/ > > BTW >I find that actual CDs of Opendisc or The OPen Education Disc are > not absolutely necessary - an A4 sheet with contents details and some > links and explanation gets taken a lot too. I use the Title > '39 Quality Programs for Windows!' (in very large type) > Hmmm, I guess if they're doing to take a leaflet away, downloading a CD ISO isn't too much hassle if you have quick enough broadband. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] computer fairs
On 10/02/2009 12:14, alan c wrote: > > Just a thought: > If you make it an undiluted 'Ubuntu' stand you may fall foul of the > confusion that considers Ubuntu to be a commercial product (being > sponsored) and therefore not applicable for a non trading status. I > could not continue if I had 35 pound costs for each table. On > occasions I have three tables.. > > This is where the FOSS and Infopoint branding identity is so very > useful. there is a lot of FOSS for Windows, which I also show. > Plus I guess it covers other distros too other than just Ubuntu. I think if we were to do something in Devon we'd possibly look at using our Devon & Cornwall GNU/Linux User Group banner :-) Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] computer fairs
Dianne Reuby wrote: > On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 20:06 +, Paul Sutton wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> I did a google search for uk computer fairs and found the followin site >> >> http://www.britishcomputerfairs.com/index.htm >> >> there is a contact form, on the site which I tried to use to ask for >> more fairs here in devon as the nearest one is bristol >> >> However the page is broken, as I get invalid recpipent, >> >> I looked around on the site, and found the webmasters e-mail so sent an >> e-mail letting them know of the problem. >> >> Once it's fixed (if it gets fixed), perhaps we can lobby them to get >> some fairs down here in devon. >> >> they say london and the south east, not sure how bristol gets classed as >> the south east, perhaps they are expanding. >> >> lets see what happens >> >> Paul > > This is interesting, on their forum: > http://www.afm96.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=320 > > The reasons why fairs are dying out, and vendors switching to online > stores. > Dianne Interesting, thanks. At bracknell, if the person in your link had been interested in FOSS or Linux then he would come along for a chat or Q and A and hope to get basic questions answered. I can even demonstrate stuff. Live CD, usb sticks, early stages of the install sequence, etc. A lot of concepts which windows users find incredibly alien. This activity, once it is built up a bit over time, is valuable to customers. One of my Infopoint 'customers' having waited patiently to speak to me, commented to me about the previous customer, who had just left, 'that he got a good value for his pound!' Maybe my continuing presence is helping BCF survive in Bracknell more than I realised. -- alan cocks Ubuntu user #10391 Linux user #360648 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] computer fairs
Yes Rob, but if any contact problems, let me know and I'll try to sort it out. I will not try to write what might be seen to be advertising, but computer use in radio varies from log-keeping to signal processing with many "in-betweens"! My latest transceiver is microprocessor controlled, and much smaller than the offerings of "yesterday" Radio Rallys are usually arranged by local clubs so table-cost is less than companies charge and non-profit groups are always considered. Jusk ask, get some Linux users together to help at a rally and help to spread the message. There must be Amateur Radio Linux user out there, please call in and tell us your ideas. Michael --- On Tue, 10/2/09, Rob Beard wrote: > From: Rob Beard > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] computer fairs > To: "British Ubuntu Talk" > Date: Tuesday, 10 February, 2009, 12:09 PM > On 10/02/2009 11:53, mike daniels wrote: > > Amateur Radio rallies are arranged throughout the uk, > often advertised as Radio and Computer Rally. Computers are > used in Amateur Radio, would be nice to see applications > written for Linux and not just microslow. > > The RSGB has a list of rally dates and locations, > please tell me if you have problems finding information. > Michael. > > > Would this be the right place to look? - > http://www.rsgb.org/events/index.php > > I see there is a Dartmoor Radio Rally in Tavistock in May, > not sure if > they would have any computer bits. > > Rob > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual boot on Macbook problems
Doug, I'm no Mac user but I would throw caution to the wind when dual booting between and internal and external hard drive. Could cause problems with the MBR/active/boot partition being in the wrong location when the drive is removed etc. I would suggest partitioning the internal hard drive and having that boot both OS's, and use the external as a Data drive or something. Cheers, Michael On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 10:32 +, doug livesey wrote: > Hi -- I tried last night to install Ubuntu on an external FW drive on > my Macbook. > It wouldn't reboot from the external drive, and managed to kill the > install on my main HD -- hopefully the drive itself is ok, but I'm not > sure (I can see it in the restore list). > I tried restoring from TimeMachine to my internal drive, but that > didn't work, so I ended up restoring OSX to the external drive, and am > currently booting from that. > What I'm hoping to do now, then, is to install Ubuntu on the internal > HD, as I want to use it as my main dev environment anyway, so that > could all have worked out in the end, if my internal HD is ok. > I thought, however, I'd ask the expert collective about any potential > gotchas before trying this -- there appear to be a few to ubuntu on a > mac that I was not previously aware of! ;) > Cheers, >Doug. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Help get Windows out of schools
2009/2/10 Sean Miller : > And that's why I think this petition is flawed, because it won't > succeed whilst it's worded as it is. This thread has the wrong > name... it's not a case of getting Windows out of schools, it's a case > of getting a mixture of computer architectures into schools and > ensuring that education isn't based on any particular platform. > > "We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Make the primary > operating system used in state schools free and open source" > > Why?? Why is that not JUST as bad as Windows? > > That's why I will not be signing this petition - because it's missing > the point. It would be wrong to stop children experiencing Windows > because, like it or not, at the moment that is most likely to be the > OS that they will encounter when they start work.But that should > not be the ONLY thing they experience. And, as I've said above, they > should not be told "to write a document you open Word and click on..." > but rather "word processors are used to write documents, and come in > many forms" and then given principles not specifics. It's saying 'primary operating system' not only operating system. Also, there's more than one FOSS OS (and even more UIs). By getting FOSS into schools you are getting rid of the current monopoly, you are telling the kids that it's okay to learn about the systems, that it's okay to share interesting programs with friends or to take a copy home to finish up some homework. You're enabling them to reuse old PCs. You're showing them that they can be a part of a global community and that they have the power and opportunity to collaborate with others to make things better. That's why I signed the petition anyway. Maybe I missed the point and it's just about MS-bashing instead. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] computer fairs
On 10/02/2009 12:31, mike daniels wrote: > Yes Rob, but if any contact problems, let me know and I'll try to sort it > out. I will not try to write what might be seen to be advertising, but > computer use in radio varies from log-keeping to signal processing with many > "in-betweens"! > My latest transceiver is microprocessor controlled, and much smaller than the > offerings of "yesterday" > Radio Rallys are usually arranged by local clubs so table-cost is less than > companies charge and non-profit groups are always considered. > Jusk ask, get some Linux users together to help at a rally and help to spread > the message. There must be Amateur Radio Linux user out there, please call in > and tell us your ideas. > Michael Great thanks Mike. I know someone (my old boss actually) who is into amateur radio (I guess it's a part of being a broadcast engineer for a radio company ;-) so I'll see if he knows anything about these events. I do remember him mentioning about going to an event in Dartmoor. We've been discussing on our local LUG about putting together a computer fair (on a smaller scale) so I wonder if maybe the folks who arrange the event in Dartmoor might be able to advise about things like insurance and venue costs. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Help get Windows out of schools
Hey Guys, I have been running with this conversation and what a topic it has become. unless I am mistaken this is a scenerio if it is not broke dont fix it. As much as I am an avid Linux fan I do believe that the both technologies can co-exist. Microsoft has had the added advantage of being at the forefront of IT and the vast number of user it now holds. But lets not be mistaken about the amount of users that are on the rise for linux. But looking at the back bone of the 2 systems. If I was the man in charge I would put forward Microsoft has the main infrastructure due to its support capability and the ability to acquire staff to support the OS. There a lot of issues with linux and this is where it falls down. This puts a heavy administrative over head on the budget. I think they key thing is here is seeing the wood from trees. Yes, linux is good and ubuntu is very user friendly but you will loose everytime if you go and speak to the end users they will not be responsive to the system. There are arguments that we can go into detail about but I think due to the credit crunch hitting IT managers and directors and industries like NHS and education should be considering How can we make the two technologies co-exist? Although this maybe rendering the open source policy but I believe that this is what should be done. Kind Regards, Jai 2009/2/10 Lucy > 2009/2/10 Sean Miller : > > And that's why I think this petition is flawed, because it won't > > succeed whilst it's worded as it is. This thread has the wrong > > name... it's not a case of getting Windows out of schools, it's a case > > of getting a mixture of computer architectures into schools and > > ensuring that education isn't based on any particular platform. > > > > "We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Make the primary > > operating system used in state schools free and open source" > > > > Why?? Why is that not JUST as bad as Windows? > > > > That's why I will not be signing this petition - because it's missing > > the point. It would be wrong to stop children experiencing Windows > > because, like it or not, at the moment that is most likely to be the > > OS that they will encounter when they start work.But that should > > not be the ONLY thing they experience. And, as I've said above, they > > should not be told "to write a document you open Word and click on..." > > but rather "word processors are used to write documents, and come in > > many forms" and then given principles not specifics. > > It's saying 'primary operating system' not only operating system. > Also, there's more than one FOSS OS (and even more UIs). > > By getting FOSS into schools you are getting rid of the current > monopoly, you are telling the kids that it's okay to learn about the > systems, that it's okay to share interesting programs with friends or > to take a copy home to finish up some homework. You're enabling them > to reuse old PCs. You're showing them that they can be a part of a > global community and that they have the power and opportunity to > collaborate with others to make things better. > > That's why I signed the petition anyway. Maybe I missed the point and > it's just about MS-bashing instead. > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual boot on Macbook problems
Cheers for that -- I'm thinking the same way, after seeing how hot the ext drive is getting as a boot drive! 2009/2/10 Michael Holloway > Doug, I'm no Mac user but I would throw caution to the wind when dual > booting between and internal and external hard drive. Could cause > problems with the MBR/active/boot partition being in the wrong location > when the drive is removed etc. > > I would suggest partitioning the internal hard drive and having that > boot both OS's, and use the external as a Data drive or something. > > Cheers, > Michael > > > On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 10:32 +, doug livesey wrote: > > Hi -- I tried last night to install Ubuntu on an external FW drive on > > my Macbook. > > It wouldn't reboot from the external drive, and managed to kill the > > install on my main HD -- hopefully the drive itself is ok, but I'm not > > sure (I can see it in the restore list). > > I tried restoring from TimeMachine to my internal drive, but that > > didn't work, so I ended up restoring OSX to the external drive, and am > > currently booting from that. > > What I'm hoping to do now, then, is to install Ubuntu on the internal > > HD, as I want to use it as my main dev environment anyway, so that > > could all have worked out in the end, if my internal HD is ok. > > I thought, however, I'd ask the expert collective about any potential > > gotchas before trying this -- there appear to be a few to ubuntu on a > > mac that I was not previously aware of! ;) > > Cheers, > >Doug. > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Help get Windows out of schools
On 10/02/2009 12:39, Lucy wrote: > It's saying 'primary operating system' not only operating system. > Also, there's more than one FOSS OS (and even more UIs). > > By getting FOSS into schools you are getting rid of the current > monopoly, you are telling the kids that it's okay to learn about the > systems, that it's okay to share interesting programs with friends or > to take a copy home to finish up some homework. You're enabling them > to reuse old PCs. You're showing them that they can be a part of a > global community and that they have the power and opportunity to > collaborate with others to make things better. > > I think part of the general problem that that a lot of people think that sharing software is wrong as it's been drummed into them for so long. At least the community are slowly getting the message through, even if it is only to a minory of people. I found that the Exwick Community Centre open day was a great place to talk to people about Free Software. The visitors could see the software running, they could see that it's not all scary command lines (although one guy did like the command line as he was an ex-COBOL programmer and was used to the old dumb terminals) and they could take away a disc for free to try and home. They were pre-pressed Ubuntu 8.04 CDs so they looked like they were legitimate an IIRC they said on the disc that they were free to use and pass on. Slowly we were getting the message across that you don't have to pay mega bucks to get software, there is all this quality free software available that not only doesn't cost owt, it is also free to share (and if so, free to tinker with). A few of the visitors were low income families and single parents. One woman I talked to had a PC but didn't have broadband. I got the impression that she'd like to learn how to do things like Word Processing and general internet and office tasks, even if it was just something to do but couldn't afford the high prices of the software (even £100 for Office 2007 isn't that cheap when you are on a low income and don't have a powerful enough PC to run it). She took an Ubuntu CD and my phone number and I also took her number and said that I would ask about running some OpenOffice training courses at the centre. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] computer fairs
Rob Beard wrote: > On 10/02/2009 12:07, alan c wrote: >> Matt Jones wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Paul Sutton wrote: >>> >> [...] >> >>> http://infopointproject.org/wordpress/ >>> Looks to be a little dead now, but was exactly what you described, I >>> think it was started by Jono and some of the other lugradio guys. >>> Matt. >>> >> >> I use Infopoint as a branding when negotiating with British Computer >> Fairs for my Bracknell events. >> >> Jono made contact with BCF a long time ago and I believe they agreed >> in principle that if a table was not booked by the time the event was >> scheduled, then Infopoint could negotiate specially favourable terms >> for that table. I will resist stating more detail in public. I >> belatedly rekindled th econtact with BCF for Bracknell >> >> Infopoint is a very useful site and brand. I trust it will continue. I >> am a continuing user of the brand name but do not have much time to >> keep my own information there up to date. >> >> > Interesting, so do you have a banner or something that says Infopoint? The most important part of the Infopoint branding is in my relationship with British Computer Fairs, not with the 'customers'. Tux is also significant. An A4 size dayglo tux drawing held with brightly coloured large plastic clothes pegs onto a bamboo beanstick all supported out of an old 100 size cylindrical CD case - indicative of the fun and joy part of FOSS, also a number of 'INFOPOINT' signs along the table edge, with explanation of the project. Significantly, over the last year, the environment has changed from when people asked ' what is this?' They now ask 'How do I use it?' They now *know* what Linux is, There has been press coverage etc. It is not exactly a flood, but maybe the dam is cracked and there are steady trickles from the Windows defences. > Am I right in thinking that anyone who may go to the Infopoint without > not knowing what it is would just think it's an information desk rather > than to do with Free Software? My table/s look just like all the other tables of traders, except I have a lot of leaflets and Tux stuff, and content of display notices such as 'Try the Free Alternative to Windows!' The problem with Linux and Foss is that it is too good to be true. People do not believe it! That is where my actual presence is useful. My honest face is a testament to the quality of this suspicious free stuff! >> My (special) arrangement with BCF is basically that I am not >> 'trading'. That is, any money (or donations) that are collected are >> demonstrably covering material cost on a non profit basis. The cost of >> a table to a trader is around 35 pounds. Since BCF do not have any >> motivation towards charity, they are a business after all, there is no >> formal way of consolidating the special arrangement. I think BCF are >> reasonably happy with the arrangement. I obviously attract paying >> people through the gate. On some occasions there is a small queue of >> people waiting to talk to me (!) I attend very regularly, and inform >> BCF if I cannot get to any particular event. >> >> All leaflets, information sheets etc are free, CDs tend to be one >> pound each, with flexibility. I do give CDs for free although tact is >> needed because it is a retail environment and the customers feel >> uncomfortable if they do not give payment. Funny old world? >> One person only had 50p left in the pocket which was ok, another came >> along and said 'a pound? It is free software!' I said, yes, and if you >> want it free I will give it to you for nothing - here - although I >> ask for a pound donation is that is? I would have given it free, >> although he happily then gave a pound. >> > That sounds fair, £1 should in theory cover any costs for decent CD > media, labels, sleves or cases and duplication. I hardly see you making > much of a profit when charging £1 a disc :-) >> The most poplar leaflet in the last event (Sunday 8th feb '09) was >> entitled 'A tale of two experiences - or why I dont use Windows' a >> slightly edited version, with attribution, of the blog >> http://linuxcanuck.wordpress.com/2008/06/03/a-tale-of-two-experiences-or-why-i-dont-use-windows/ >> >> BTW >>I find that actual CDs of Opendisc or The OPen Education Disc are >> not absolutely necessary - an A4 sheet with contents details and some >> links and explanation gets taken a lot too. I use the Title >> '39 Quality Programs for Windows!' (in very large type) >> > Hmmm, I guess if they're doing to take a leaflet away, downloading a CD > ISO isn't too much hassle if you have quick enough broadband. Yes Windows users are quite used to downloading programs. But not so much for iso downloading and burning CD images. However the open disc and open education disc sites allow downloading of the individual applications. It is not essential to use the iso download. Anyway, on the reverse of the leaflet I have a
Re: [ubuntu-uk] computer fairs
I have my nice SuSE Tux, as seen here... http://lugog.org.uk If anybody wants to use it to promote Linux let me know... unfortunately being in Somerset I'm a bit "out in the sticks" but I could certainly bring "him" to places relatively nearby... the Orkneys are probabaly not a viable proposition. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] computer fairs
On 10/02/2009 14:17, Sean Miller wrote: > I have my nice SuSE Tux, as seen here... http://lugog.org.uk > > If anybody wants to use it to promote Linux let me know... > unfortunately being in Somerset I'm a bit "out in the sticks" but I > could certainly bring "him" to places relatively nearby... the Orkneys > are probabaly not a viable proposition. > > Sean > Hi Sean, I'm sure us folks down in Devonshire would be happy to borrow him. Is he a giant toy or an actual Tux suit? Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] N.H.S
My mum is a home care NHS nurse, and when I was talking to her about her work computers a while back, she told me they use a mixture of systems. I know they use MS computers for things such as creating documents, but they also use something else (I think a specialist *nix system of some kind) to store patient records and other medical notes on, for security reasons. 2009/2/10 Alan Pope > 2009/2/10 Matt Jones : > > Please can we refer to Microsoft by the proper name, it looks childish > > and goes against the image that is needed to win these contracts that > > are viewed as important use cases. > > > > +1 > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > -- Simon Wears munkyju...@gmail.com | http://MunkyJunky.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 46, Issue 13 ###buntu on Acer Aspire One
Message: 5 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:12:30 + From: Dean Sas Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Buying a Acer Notebook. To: British Ubuntu Talk Message-ID: <58a7c45b0902050712k26b187bdh39c641a9acf5b...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 13:23, John wrote: > I got my little netbook, but I managed to find one in Curries instead, > slightly different specs, but the same as the one I mentioned. Acer Aspire. > If I install Ubuntu eee, via the stick, is it an easy install, and will it > install over the software I have already, or will it install in a partition? > I did have a look at the 8.10 installation, but I wouldnt have a clue about > having to tweak, I didnt understand that, so I would be happy for the > moment, with 8.04, and I can start getting used to that. Ubuntu will install in a partition. Or you can delete all of the current partitions and use the whole drive for Ubuntu (you can do this in the Ubuntu installer). The eee pc comes with a restore disc that will set up the partitions as they were out of the box, I'd assume Acers recovery disk will too, but you may wish to check this for additional peace of mind. You can also just keep booting from the stick (though performance will be slower and I don't think you can install new packages), it's good to get a taster though. How come you're installing ubuntu eee? I believe it has a customised kernel which may not be the best possible for someone with an acer (though I don't know anything about the acer so could be wrong). You can get the ubuntu netbook interface by installing standard ubuntu and then installing the ubuntu-netbook-* packages. If you haven't yet read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick you may like to. Dean Dean, John, Am a bit behind hand reading these as due to a few flakes of snow lots of my IT colleagues seemed to have to stay in bed!, luckily they've just authorised me to claim some overtime. I have an Acer Aspire One and have installed both vanilla Ubuntu and Eeebuntu on it. Ubuntu took some configuring of the wireless & then I had an issue I couldn't resolve when I plugged it into my LCD TV to play films. It detected the 2 screens, but then did bizarre configuring of 2 workspaces eg VLC would minimize in one and maximize in the other and one would only display part of the screen. In end I gave up and installed Eeebuntu using a USB DVD drive. http://www.eeebuntu.org/index.php?page=standard It configured everything fine including wireless during install & it works fine with my TV. Personally I would install this version - the hardware in the original EEEPc is very similar to that of the Aspire One and the kernel is optimsed. Regards Duncan -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] computer fairs
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Rob Beard wrote: > I'm sure us folks down in Devonshire would be happy to borrow him. Is > he a giant toy or an actual Tux suit? He's a large (3' or whatever") "Teddy Bear" :-) Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] N.H.S
Quoting Simon Wears : > My mum is a home care NHS nurse, and when I was talking to her about her > work computers a while back, she told me they use a mixture of systems. I > know they use MS computers for things such as creating documents, but they > also use something else (I think a specialist *nix system of some kind) to > store patient records and other medical notes on, for security reasons. I did a stint in the NHS as a student nurse. There was a windows-based PAS (Patient Administration System) that everyone hated but had to use because Management ordered it and a green-screen-based PAS which everyone loved because it was simple and easy to use. Never did find out what the system ran on but it looked like either Solaris or HPUX when the green-screen sessions sometimes dropped to a cmd line. M. -- Matthew Macdonald-Wallace matt...@truthisfreedom.org.uk http://www.truthisfreedom.org.uk/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Hardy on Samsung NC10
In view of the various recent threads about Ubuntu on netbooks, I just thought I'd mention that I recently bought a Samsung NC10, and replaced the pre-installed legacy OS with Ubuntu 8.04. It's a cracking little machine - great build quality, with 160GB HDD, 10" screen and great keyboard (both size and feel - can touch type on it comfortably). And Hardy runs on it like a dream. Only had to tweak the wifi and the screen brightness control (HowTos readily available on the web). Strongly recommend it. £303 from Ebuyer with free delivery (though its now showing there as £310). Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] N.H.S
Simon Wears wrote > My mum is a home care NHS nurse, and when I was talking to her about her work computers a while back, she told me they use a mixture of systems. I know they use MS computers for things such as creating documents, but they also use something else (I think a specialist *nix system of some kind) to store patient records and other medical notes on, for security reasons. > > 2009/2/10 Alan Pope > 2009/2/10 Matt Jones : > > Please can we refer to Microsoft by the proper name, it looks childish > > and goes against the image that is needed to win these contracts that > > are viewed as important use cases. > > > > +1 > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > > > > -- > Simon Wears > > munkyju...@gmail.com | http://MunkyJunky.com > As someone who has worked in hospital IT and is married to a doctor, I can tell you that NHS software varies hugely from hospital to hospital. Much of the specialist software where I worked was in the form of badly written java apps which all required differently old versions of the JVM. Getting them to co-exist on the same machine was a nightmare at times! Sam -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] computer fairs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rob Beard wrote: > On 10/02/2009 12:14, alan c wrote: >> Just a thought: >> If you make it an undiluted 'Ubuntu' stand you may fall foul of the >> confusion that considers Ubuntu to be a commercial product (being >> sponsored) and therefore not applicable for a non trading status. I >> could not continue if I had 35 pound costs for each table. On >> occasions I have three tables.. >> >> This is where the FOSS and Infopoint branding identity is so very >> useful. there is a lot of FOSS for Windows, which I also show. >> > Plus I guess it covers other distros too other than just Ubuntu. > > I think if we were to do something in Devon we'd possibly look at using > our Devon & Cornwall GNU/Linux User Group banner :-) > > Rob > > Good idea, The shoreline bar in Paignton are happy for us to put posters up prior to lug meets, so if you wanted to invite people along, or perhaps invite any customers who happen to be in the cafe to view a demo, of ubuntu, that is perhaps possible. Otherwise, I think we need to get together, and really plan what we want to do, what we need, how we are going to advertise, etc. I think the idea of having a flyer with the list of applications is a good one, we could put those around places, and if people want a cd they can come and see us at a meeting perhaps, Perhaps we can get this designed or at least printed professionally. one of the problems with cd's esp with the open cd is they go out of date quickly with ubuntu the next version has a known release date but with the open cd they can release a new version in between. for example there is usually one around software freedom day. Paul - -- Paul Sutton www.zleap.net Support Open and ISO standard file formats ISO 26300 odf http://www.odfalliance.org Next Linux User Group meet : March 7th : 3pm, Shoreline Cafe Paignton -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmRxvwACgkQaggq1k2FJq0KVACfSXSIXUwc7Kji08+GaN9Ct9Sy eD8An2T5udHsyNk0SiBvFrsg2810bIr5 =aXC7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] The List
I have been a member of this list for 2 days. I have aslo subscribed to my local linux list from the same source. I am learning UBUNTU and LINUX. Almost 20 years ago I was a UNIX Systems Administrator for about 2 years before embarkng on a database programming career. At a risk of being flamed, and with the greatest of respects, I am disspointed by the sheer number of posts which are only distantly connnected to UBUNTU. In the same timeframe I have had no linux posts. I know e-mail lists can be a little unruly at times and it is so easy to wander off topic. In my view there is a risk that members will be alienated by the non-UBUNTU matters. I'm glad I went for the daily digest - although am dissapointed that I get 4 or 5 digests per day. DaveG -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] computer fairs - an alternative plan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If we can't get any computer fairs down, here or they are dying due to vendors turning to the internet, perhaps this could be an alternate plan Many charity groups and organisations hold events to raise funds, e.g raffle, stalls, etc, craft sales, bric-a-brac (for the benefit of those who don't know what this is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bric-a-brac) Perhaps we could look in to getting a table at such an event, clearly if we were to sell cd's or offer a cd burn service so if anyone wanted a cd to take home with them we can simply burn for them (iso + simple bash script to copy / burn to cd) We could still sell these for £1 but donate 1/2 the profits to the said charity. We could by doing this target the sort of people who would benefit the most from Linux, low income people or perhaps someone who just wants a simple set up, just to do e-mail, internet etc, but at the same time we could offer our own services to help them if need be, (given there are people here to fix computers etc) or at least promote any local businesses that do. (so for ink perhaps we can promote refresh cartridges) Just an idea, but perhaps once they know who we are we can perhaps see if we can help them in otherways (old equipment right up to what rob set up at exwick), which i am sure there are many faclilties for older people that would benefit. any comments? Paul - -- Paul Sutton www.zleap.net Support Open and ISO standard file formats ISO 26300 odf http://www.odfalliance.org Next Linux User Group meet : March 7th : 3pm, Shoreline Cafe Paignton -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmRzHkACgkQaggq1k2FJq2OlQCgh7+4Kftnezj1lcWxIkQYV2jc LigAnRL4jU6e8cM7KpWaxwxxj/O8X28k =H3rb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The List
Quoting da...@boavon.plus.com: > I have been a member of this list for 2 days. I have aslo subscribed to > my local linux list from the same source. > I am learning UBUNTU and LINUX. Almost 20 years ago I was a UNIX Systems > Administrator for about 2 years before embarkng on a database programming > career. > At a risk of being flamed, and with the greatest of respects, I am > disspointed by the sheer number of posts which are only distantly > connnected to UBUNTU. In the same timeframe I have had no linux posts. > I know e-mail lists can be a little unruly at times and it is so easy to > wander off topic. In my view there is a risk that members will be > alienated by the non-UBUNTU matters. > I'm glad I went for the daily digest - although am dissapointed that I get > 4 or 5 digests per day. > DaveG Hi Dave, Welcome to the list. I think it's fair to say that the last five days have been unusual for Ubuntu-UK there is usually a lot more ubuntu-focused content on the list, it just so happens that the last few days have been spent discussing LUGs and Computer fairs. I'd recommend hanging on to your subscription as there are some real experts on this list and it is definitely worth asking any questions that you have because you'll almost certainly get a solution! Out of interest, which LUG are you a member of? Kind regards, Matt -- Matthew Macdonald-Wallace matt...@truthisfreedom.org.uk http://www.truthisfreedom.org.uk/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] computer fairs - an alternative plan
Quoting Paul Sutton : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > If we can't get any computer fairs down, here or they are dying due to > vendors turning to the internet, perhaps this could be an alternate plan > > > > Many charity groups and organisations hold events to raise funds, e.g > raffle, stalls, etc, craft sales, bric-a-brac (for the benefit of those > who don't know what this is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bric-a-brac) > > Perhaps we could look in to getting a table at such an event, clearly > if we were to sell cd's or offer a cd burn service so if anyone wanted a > cd to take home with them we can simply burn for them (iso + simple bash > script to copy / burn to cd) Or you could build one of these: http://www.freedomtoaster.org/ M. -- Matthew Macdonald-Wallace matt...@truthisfreedom.org.uk http://www.truthisfreedom.org.uk/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] computer fairs
Sean Miller wrote: > I have my nice SuSE Tux, as seen here... http://lugog.org.uk > > If anybody wants to use it to promote Linux let me know... > unfortunately being in Somerset I'm a bit "out in the sticks" but I > could certainly bring "him" to places relatively nearby... the Orkneys > are probabaly not a viable proposition. > > Sean That is a tux to die for! If ever yo are up this way (berkshire) do let me know please? -- alan cocks Ubuntu user #10391 Linux user #360648 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] computer fairs
Rob Beard wrote: > On 10/02/2009 14:17, Sean Miller wrote: >> I have my nice SuSE Tux, as seen here... http://lugog.org.uk >> >> If anybody wants to use it to promote Linux let me know... >> unfortunately being in Somerset I'm a bit "out in the sticks" but I >> could certainly bring "him" to places relatively nearby... the Orkneys >> are probabaly not a viable proposition. >> >> Sean >> > Hi Sean, > > I'm sure us folks down in Devonshire would be happy to borrow him. Is > he a giant toy or an actual Tux suit? > > Rob I would love a chance to use a tux suit! It would make a wonderful summer event in bracknell town center. The complication is that my wife says she would be too embarrased -- alan cocks Ubuntu user #10391 Linux user #360648 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] How to write a Linux virus in 5 easy steps?
In the open and sharing spirit of FOSS I offer a heads up to a well written item which looks like it needs some actions in response. There may be some nice debate about a definition here or there, but the real world is in this article as far as I can see. I trust it will not be long before I can feel just a little safer? comments welcomed. I should say that if you have seen other items and comments about 'linux viruses' then what you read is probably still true, in a strict sense. However, I cannot fault the information given in this item, and it does seem that some action can be sensibly taken by both the gnome and kde teams. (and well done, the thunar project!!) Article: How to write a Linux virus in 5 easy steps http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6229 -- alan cocks Ubuntu user #10391 Linux user #360648 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
