Re: Ubuntu boot speed fall in Hardy

[Nergar]

One main problem I'm having with Hardy's boot process is that it looses
about 40 seconds trying to resume i don't know what just before the bios
finishes doing its things:

kinit: trying to resume from /dev/disk/something
kinit: no resume image, doing normal boot...

After that, Hardy boots somewhat fast for me.

This message is not shown by default, i have to press Alt+F1 to see it, 



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Re: making deals with MS

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Dear Mark Fink

I would like you to reconsider your concept of Open Source and the
reason why you are using Linux. You don't seem to understand the
philosophy behind free software.

Foss is all about choice so if you don't like it here you can very well
use OpenBSD or anything else, but you *NEVER* talk trash about a (very
active and productive) Linux developer who uses Windows, no matter who
you are. You are free to hate and not use any Windows product but if you
want to be a respected community member you must respect the likes and
dislikes of other people.

Now, if you could show some legal proof and remain respectful, you would
be considered more seriously, please understand that a (very biased)
blog is not the most acceptable source of information, and don't get me
started with IRC conversations. AFAIK mono is just a reimplementation in
Linux of a Microsoft technology, its not like we're using the Vista
kernel to power Ubuntu.

P.S. I'm not an native english speaker, so anyone please feel free to
correct any spelling or gramatical errors.

On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 21:53 -0400, Mark Fink wrote:

> 
> just because I'm not a programmer doesn't mean my opinion isn't worth
> as much or more than yours (I'm clearly better informed about these
> issues having read boycottnovell and having discussed issues with Roy
> himself).
> 
> As far as Richard Johnson being a core-dev, sounds pretty scary that
> you let someone so in love with Microvell to contaminate Ubuntu.
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Re: Banshee by default in Intrepid

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I don't think rhythmbox needs to be changed, AFAIK its Ipod support
comes from libpod, witch is the same for gtkpod, amarok and exaile. It
does an awesome work at playing music and also works great if you need
to manage your library. It would be nice to change it for amarok but all
the kde dependencies take it out of the question.

Banshee 1.0 looks very nice but that's not enough of a reason to make it
the default music player in Ubuntu. 

Elisa is big NO until it gets to a more mature state. And even so, I
don't think we need it in the CD, maybe in a DVD.

On Sun, 2008-06-08 at 23:39 -0500, Luke L wrote:
> I was going to suggest Exaile, but at the moment it has a memory leak
> that gets worse as it plays more music (it was taking up 800 MB!). I
> know that I do not like Rhythmbox's layout or playlist functionality.
> I like Amarok better than RB, but Ama doesn't detect my media keys on
> my laptop like RB does.
> 
> Exaile is the best of Ama and RB put together. Banshee is mono, which
> while not an apocalyptic evil, is not what I would prefer. Of course,
> that's why we can choose what to install from the repos.
> 
> Elisa should not be the only media player included in Intrepid or ANY
> release. It's a great HTPC sort of software, but not as a casual, run
> in the background sort of player.
> 
> Full disclosure: I only tried Banshee once, briefly, and it was buggy
> as Hell. Memory aside, Exaile should be looked at. I don't know about
> its iPod support, though.
> -- 
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Re: Need to upgrade apache2 and php5 for security reasons

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IMHO you need another security firm, and if security is important to
you, don't enable backports as they may have new security
vulnerabilities.

The safest bet is to update only to security fixes, you miss the new
features but that's normal for servers. 

Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Monday 30 June 2008 10:52, Christian Desrochers wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Our web servers have been checked recently by an external security firm. We
>> have been told that our web servers need to be upgraded to the latest
>> version in order to fix some security issues.



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Re: absurd: network connection required to obtain a network driver

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I don't think the problem here is whether we get permission to
redistribute it or not, the problem is including closed source material
in the install CD.

On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 20:14 +0200, Przemysław Kulczycki wrote:
> Owners of Broadcom 43xx cards are in a very unpleasant situation when 
> they want to install Ubuntu on their laptops/PCs because Ubuntu requires 
> a network connection to fetch the firmware for the b43/bcm43xx driver.
> 
> If you don't have another network interface then you're stuck and have 
> to use another computer or another operating system.
> The b43-fwcutter downloads 2 files from openwrt.org:
> http://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/broadcom-wl-4.80.53.0.tar.bz2
> and http://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o
> Maybe the guys from openwrt.org could be asked if redistribution of 
> these files is possible? If not, then maybe Canonical could ask Broadcom 
> for permission to redistribute these files?
> If Ubuntu 8.10 is said to have pervasive network access then we should 
> take care about this issue.
> 
> See bug #29566
> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hw-detect/+bug/29566


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Re: Call for testing empathy

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I think the answer on this one is pretty simple. We should ship the
package that provides the best functionality for _new_ users.

We want newcomers to enjoy their experience, if empathy provides that,
we have to ship it. There is only one first impression. Everyone else
can apt-get pidgin or empathy.

If empathy is buggy or "not quite there yet" we have to forget about it
for Intrepid.


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Re: I encountered a horrible experience with Nautilus and GParted

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Not sure but I think stopping hald would "ugly-fix" this. hal daemon is
what nautilus uses to find out about new plugged devices. Maybe gparted
could stop the daemon when it starts and could start it back when you
close it. 

Well at least AFAIK.

On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 07:28 +1000, William Grant wrote:
> Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Dylan McCall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>  Is anyone else able to reproduce this?
> > 
> > Yes, I hate it.  It happens all the time when I use GParted on the
> > live cd to partition because the partitioner in the installer has a
> > terrible interface.  It then complains that it can't create the
> > filesystem properly because Nautilus went and got in the way with
> > mounting it automatically.  Nautilus needs to ignore it when a
> > partitioning app is open.
> 
> It's even better when gparted doesn't notice, which happened in my case.
> It somehow continued resizing whilst Nautilus remounted it, causing
> massive corruption that took a lot of time and FAT-hacking to partially
> recover from.
> 
> -- 
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Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

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I think we discussed enough, we should start taking action. We are
already at Alpha 6 freeze state and clearly most of us don't want any
stinking EULAs popping when starting our free software. We must have
this sorted out before 8.10 Beta comes out. 


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Re: ISO Testing, before 1700 UTC Thursday

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Might kill my hard dirve??? In what sense? I'm not touching them!

On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 12:23 +1000, Sarah Hobbs wrote:
> The standard warnings about how it might kill your hard drive,
> etc, might apply - but no one's found them this far.  
> 
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Re: new power management implementation

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Will this work? I currently have 4 machines running Ubuntu, only 1 
suspends correctly, another suspends but audio and wireless stop working 
and none can hibernate.

Odysseus Flappington wrote:
> 
> 
> 2008/12/4 (``-_-´´) -- Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >
> 
> Olá Odysseus e a todos.
> 
> On Thursday 04 December 2008 10:57:59 Odysseus Flappington wrote:
>  > I'm dying to have the single 'Sleep' which suspends and then
> hibernates after a timeout :P
> 
> You mean s2both?
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=471855&page=9
> 
> http://mjg59.livejournal.com/88608.html
> 
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> ps. My emails tend to sound authority and aggressive. I'm sorry in
> advance. I'll try to be more assertive as time goes by...
> 
> Merry xtmas and Happy New Year
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> 
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean by s2both.
> 
> I'm talking about the Use Case in the spec that says: "A user puts the 
> computer to sleep on battery, but then forgets about it. The computer 
> should then go into a deeper power save state like hibernate."
> 
> Essentially the plan is to replace Suspend and Hibernate with one 
> 'Sleep' mode which initially suspends. Then after a certain amount of 
> time of suspending without being turned on again, it hibernates to save 
> even more power.
> 
> But not only that, the whole spec is brilliant, and it would be great to 
> have Ubuntu lead the way with this stuff.
> 
> Alex
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Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

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This is getting out of proportion. Ubuntu should NOT ask if it is ok to 
get updates. We are trying to run a "Linux for human beings" distro and 
if we start taking steps in this direction, we might as well ask for 
permission to connect when opening firefox. The last thing we need are 
more dialogs to confuse/annoy users.

Another thing to take into account is, Linux is about CHOICES. If anyone 
feels like a control freak they should be using Arch or Gentoo or any 
other distro that will fit them better.

We have more important things to worry about, like stability. Ubuntu has 
become very unstable lately.

HggdH wrote:
> Le Thursday 25 December 2008 à 22:40 +0200, Dotan Cohen a écrit :
>> 2008/12/25 Manish Sinha :
>>> I again repeat the above line since bandwidth is one of the two main
>>> issues, first being the installer connecting to the internet without
>>> user's consent.
>>>
>> Having the network cable plugged in implies consent. If you don't want
>> you computer connecting to a network, then don't plug it in. I have
>> lived in areas of limited and expensive bandwidth, and even for a
>> desktop with the network cable under the desk, it seemed common sense
>> that so long as it was plugged in, something would try to connect.
> 
> Sorry, you are generalising from your own perceptions. The original
> complaint was clearly set against going out into the wild Internet
> without asking first (and, , downloading other/new programmes).
> 
> I agree with it. If I have a full CD with Ubuntu, I do not expect it to
> get into the Internet without telling me first, no matter what.
> 
> If being connected is what it takes to get out, then warn/suggest the
> user to disconnect if no such contact is wanted. But never expect
> *implicit*, *implied*, consents to have been given.
> 
> The fact that something will try to connect if a connection is available
> is the root of the problem. The default should be *NO* connection unless
> explicitly allowed, be it out or in.
> 

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Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

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Tim Hawkins wrote:
> Connecting and transferring data online during an offline media install 
> is not an expected activity, 

No? why not? Its just getting updates!

it is the kind of
> "phone home" activity that is derided of other OS's such as Microsoft 
> windows. 

I think the problem with Microsoft's OS is not the fact that "phones 
home" but the information it sends when it does.

It is especially
> bad given that the user does not know its going to happen, and does not 
> know why it is happening.
> 
> Installing a new operating system is a trust activity, if the OS starts 
> doing things you don't expect it damages that trust. Right at
> the time when the users first impressions are being formed.
> 
> If i use a netboot install, i expect it to access the net, if I install 
> from a CD I expect it to install from the media I designated, the CD.
> 
> I do not expect it to access the net with out informing me what or why 
> it is doing it.
> 
> Just my 2cents.
> 
> On 26 Dec 2008, at 05:29, nergar wrote:
> 
>> This is getting out of proportion. Ubuntu should NOT ask if it is ok to
>> get updates. We are trying to run a "Linux for human beings" distro and
>> if we start taking steps in this direction, we might as well ask for
>> permission to connect when opening firefox. The last thing we need are
>> more dialogs to confuse/annoy users.
>>
>> Another thing to take into account is, Linux is about CHOICES. If anyone
>> feels like a control freak they should be using Arch or Gentoo or any
>> other distro that will fit them better.
>>
>> We have more important things to worry about, like stability. Ubuntu has
>> become very unstable lately.
>>
>> HggdH wrote:
>>> Le Thursday 25 December 2008 à 22:40 +0200, Dotan Cohen a écrit :
>>>> 2008/12/25 Manish Sinha :
>>>>> I again repeat the above line since bandwidth is one of the two main
>>>>> issues, first being the installer connecting to the internet without
>>>>> user's consent.
>>>>>
>>>> Having the network cable plugged in implies consent. If you don't want
>>>> you computer connecting to a network, then don't plug it in. I have
>>>> lived in areas of limited and expensive bandwidth, and even for a
>>>> desktop with the network cable under the desk, it seemed common sense
>>>> that so long as it was plugged in, something would try to connect.
>>>
>>> Sorry, you are generalising from your own perceptions. The original
>>> complaint was clearly set against going out into the wild Internet
>>> without asking first (and, , downloading other/new programmes).
>>>
>>> I agree with it. If I have a full CD with Ubuntu, I do not expect it to
>>> get into the Internet without telling me first, no matter what.
>>>
>>> If being connected is what it takes to get out, then warn/suggest the
>>> user to disconnect if no such contact is wanted. But never expect
>>> *implicit*, *implied*, consents to have been given.
>>>
>>> The fact that something will try to connect if a connection is available
>>> is the root of the problem. The default should be *NO* connection unless
>>> explicitly allowed, be it out or in.
>>>
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Come on! its the year 2008 and it is called the internet!! The 
installation is only trying to get security updates. I can't believe 
there is people actually complaining about SECURITY UPDATES.

Ubuntu is not a nanny.

And as I said before, if Ubuntu doesn't fits you, try something else. 
It's impossible to make everyone happy.

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Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

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If such a thing is implemented, it should be checked by default and 
hidden in the Advanced settings dialog. Unexperienced users should get 
security updates by default.

Chris wrote:
> I agree that a checkbox should be implemented.
> Think it'll be ready in Jaunty? =P
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Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

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YES, we should disable OS updates by default for "n00bs" just because a 
paranoid user made a comment. Very intelligent.

Manish Sinha wrote:
> nergar wrote:
>> If such a thing is implemented, it should be checked by default and 
>> hidden in the Advanced settings dialog. Unexperienced users should get 
>> security updates by default.
>>
>>   
> Sounds like "Windows Update" which is enabled by default, it even 
> quietly connects to the internet in the background, downloads security 
> and other updates without my consent. Eats up my precious bandwidth when 
> I can get those updates via CD from another computer.
> 
> If its in the Advanced settings, then the whole aim of providing this 
> checkbox is defeated. In such a case only advanced users can know about 
> it. If this checkbox is for advanced users, then no need of putting this 
> checkbox as advanced users can simply pull off their internet cables 
> during installation.
> 
> This feature was aimed for n00bs who don't know much about ubuntu/linux 
> and bandwidth is also precious for them. Does hiding the checkbox in 
> "Advanced Settings" serve any purpose?
> 
> BTW some people said earlier in this topic itself, that installer 
> download language packs for internationalization support. It does not 
> fit into security updates, then why not put this checkbox is a clearly 
> visible place but keep it checked by default.
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Re: Thoughts for assisting those with limited bandwidth

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Isn't Fedora working on something like this right now?? Only downloading 
the pieces that were updated? If yes, It would help to look at what they 
are doing.

Markus Hitter wrote:
> Am 31.01.2009 um 15:09 schrieb Davyd McColl:
> 
>> I don't appreciate a 78mb download every other day because one
>> config item in the kernel config has been changed or tweaked.
> 
> I think what you are really asking for are incremental packages.  
> Additional to full packages, each server would supply a package-diff  
> which would allow to upgrade a given package to the next version.
> 
> This isn't exactly trivial (you'd have to un-archive and re-archive  
> packages to get meaningful diffs, it has to be binary safe and allow  
> to remove files), but I've read about this idea on this list before.  
> Perhaps you can find this spot and start working out something like a  
> concept or even mockup code.
> 
> 
> MarKus
> 
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Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?

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On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 09:59, Clive Wagenaar wrote:

>
> (It is a pity this is from upstream where Arch, fedora etc will all also
> 'dumbed down' too)
>
>
Is this true? If it is, then C-A-B should be left disabled.

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