Gui of slic3r
dear developer The gui of slic3r and the gui of slic3r-prusa does not work within the distribution, that you maintain. have a nice day Markus -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Upgrading Hardy Heron 8.04 Beta to Linux kernel .16 breaks it; it won't boot.
Am 16.04.2008 um 14:53 schrieb Jim and Judi Harris: > ubuntu-users <http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users> - > Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions > > and my Ubuntu is the free version so I am not under a "user technical > support" agreement? Your Ubuntu is free as well as the technical support through mailing lists. If you want to give something back, continue reading these lists and answer some of the postings your self. > Further, don't you agree there should be at least one list where > users are > encouraged to submit problem reports? If you have a reproduceable misbehaviour, one of the first steps should be to file a bug. Improvement requests go there as well. Mailing lists are more for discussion, less for documentation (of the bug). > I see no such recommendation. Remember, Ubuntu is a project driven by thousands of people. While some of these people do nothing but to fill in descriptions, help and other texts, there are even more snippets missing. If you found such a spot of void, write down what belongs there and hand it over to the documentation team in form of a bug report. That said, I think Ubuntu is now adult enough to move the emphasis slightly more towards stability. A single showstopper distracts more people than a dozen new features. > See also (others have splash-related problems): Great you found them. Add such links to your bug report, they will save developers to search them their selfs. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Discussion agenda for UDS-Intrepid around the integration of Elisa media center
Am 22.04.2008 um 13:58 schrieb Alessandro Decina: > > [1] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/elisa-integration Neither your Mail nor this blueprint has a link to what "Elisa" is. Is is public viewable / downloadable in some form already? Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Some fundamental usability issues
Am 08.05.2008 um 11:38 schrieb Vincenzo Ciancia: > OSX does automatic backup and versioning, The newest Mac OS X ships with an application which can be told to do backups. It's well integrated into the OS' appearance, though. Automatic backup, as provided with the OS distribution, requires an external or networked disk and has to be explicitely turned on. > but I don't know how all these systems handle the > main problem, which is: the file size will grow without bounds. AFAIK, Apple simply ignores this problem. You either have enough disk space, or ... well, I don't know what TimeMachine does in disk full conditions. Probably it simply stops doing it's work until you clean up manually. All you can do to avoid such cases is to switch to another backup system and/or exclude specific folders/directories. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Some fundamental usability issues
Am 08.05.2008 um 14:28 schrieb John McCabe-Dansted: > [...] and then get up to 4.4GiB a month to play with, which is > probably more than enough to permanently store your average users > documents and photos etc. For me, I'm producing several hundred files each day, most of which are deleted after a few hours. Think about Emails from a mailing list, intermediate archives, video editing, more permanent caches of web pages, etc. At the end, the disk's free space remains about the same, but if you'd back up every intermediate step, volumes would fill up quickly. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu boot speed fall in Hardy
Am 10.05.2008 um 11:58 schrieb Sitsofe Wheeler: > I've noticed that Ubuntu's boot speed seems to have taken a fall in > Hardy. How would one notice? Is Hardys hibernating/standby still so flaky one is forced to shut down the computer more than once a month? Maybe such questions appear not serious to some and maybe it even looks like I want to disencourage you, but I'd be much more concerned about standby stability as about boot times. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!
Am 16.05.2008 um 03:05 schrieb Evan: > I don't know where the filename check is supposed to happen, but it > isn't > happening anywhere. I've tried via the cli, and via nautilus, and > neither of > them prevent me from using Windows-illegal characters. ... because they are perfectly legal on the OS you're currently running. By what you describe, I'm not sure wether Ubuntu is to blame here. IMHO, the best one could do is to introduce some Windows- compatibility mode. Prohibiting feature X here because it's forbidden there isn't a good idea. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!
Am 16.05.2008 um 13:05 schrieb Milosz Derezynski: > Furthermore, does anyone know how OS X and/or other operating > systems handle > this issue? On Mac OS X, you can happily create files with names Windows Explorer can't read. Recently it happened to me with a filename with a plain space(!) as the last character. > Samba not allowing/normalizing such filenames is i think a good > hint that it shouldn't be considered sane to write such filenames > to a FAT > directory structure. Well, Samba it's self doesn't name or create files. Samba provides whatever the served file system contains. This is fine, as it can be used to copy files from one Linux machine to another Linux box. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Ars Technica discusses Ubuntu's release strategy
Ars Technica, a news site well known not only to Macintosh enthusiasts, discusses Ubuntu's time-centric release strategy: <http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080521-why-linux-isnt-yet- ready-for-synchronized-release-cycles.html> I wonder why there is so much emhasis on releases at all. For me, releases are just a bundle of changes in fashion. Prefer Gnome 2.2 over Gnome 2.0, prefer ext3 over ext2 and so on. Nevertheless, any set of installed packages should work, dependencies take care of impossible combinations. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Should default keyboard be based on location?
Am 24.05.2008 um 22:20 schrieb Evan: > While living in Germany might point towards the use of a german- > layout keyboard, any decision really depends on what percent of > German users actually use german-layout keyboards. Calculate with some 99%. Every PC offered comes with a german keyboard by default and only few vendors allow to change to an english layout. This holds true for even smaller markets like german- speaking switzerland. > However, it is my guess that the standard US-English layout is > common enough that it makes sense to leave this as-is. The reason, germans don't scream is, characters are almost the same on the german vs. the english keyboard. Punctuation ()<>"§$ is totally different, though and then, there are umlauts ... many people can't type their name on a english layout correctly. Hope that helps, Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: New motherboard not supported by Ubuntu
Am 02.06.2008 um 18:09 schrieb Thomas Novin: > > I bought a new motherboard a couple of weeks ago and ever since I have > +3 mins of bootup time and also my DVD reader/writer isn't > available at > all. This is a brand new mobo model? I'd say you're in luck it works at all. Myself, I didn't always have this luck. > Anyone with a suggestion for a fix / workaround? Does suspend and/or hibernate work better? Shutting down a computer completely is so last century ;-) As for the fix - well, you're invited to narrow down the source of the problem yourself. Try with different options of the Install-CD's F6 menu, locate the point of trouble, recompile the corresponding piece of software, debug it ... Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Making Canonical's/Ubuntu's contributions more visible
Am 04.06.2008 um 17:11 schrieb John McCabe-Dansted: > In principle, developing could be as simple as doing "dev edit > " finding whatever you wanted to change, perhaps > changing a constant like MAX_COL from 80 to 160 in your favourite > editor, doing a "dev test-sandbox", and perhaps a "dev install". Then > when the next apt-get update is run it could be smart enough to use > apt-get source and merge the changes into the new version, unless > conflicts arise. > Often I find that after finally fixing a problem, I've run out of > time and have to move onto something else. Perhaps then there could be > run a simple "dev share" command which would the developer to, at > their leisure, annotate each of their patches and upload them > somewhere others could re-use and comment on them. Presumably apport > should also make note of what patches are in use, and bug reports with > patches could have a "test this patch in a sandbox" option and ... Now, _that_ would be a great thing. Instead of trying to find out how each package's build system is intended to work, one would go ahead, dive into the source and fix actual problems. Wether and how the package's development group picks up such patches is another question, but having a patch and perhaps a few lines of comments should be a real booster for upstream's code quality. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: making deals with M$
Am 09.06.2008 um 21:40 schrieb Remco: > How are their users going to learn about free file formats, > and why it is important? For them it's not even important anymore, > because they can play it anyway. This continues the ruling of the > proprietary codec organizations. While this problem ist hard to tackle for the reasons you wrote, at least one solution exists: open source software has to be better than proprietary software. "Better" means more attractive to the user, more attractive to the vendor (of audio, video,...). If you look at GNU command line tools like ls, tar, ps, rsync, gzip, ... for all these the GNU version is the most often used version - likely because it's the most attractive choice. I consider Firefox 3 to be a sample in the GUI world and it's market share is impressive - considering almost every computer in the world is shipped with another browser. Looking at Firefox or at Apple's iTunes, the solution to make people more aware of attractive, free software and/or formats is clearly to port it to the "foreign" OS - which is done often already. Sure, such strategies become more difficult with the current direction Web 2.0 evolves - but not impossible at all. As for the video format on canonical's site - it's pretty easy to offer a free format for Linux users while sending another format for other OSs/Browsers. This way Canonical would at least avoid being the culprit yet another user has installed a questionable codec. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
The non-evil graphics card
Hello all, probably some of you already read that statement of kernel developers about the opening of graphics drivers: Currently I'm using Intel's integrated graphics (G965, G31), but I'm about to upgrade to a "real" graphics card. Which vendor should I prefer (or stay with the G31) in order to support proper open source graphics drivers? Is there a contraindication if I want to use CUDA-like technologies (I'm doing FEA, CFD) ? Thanks, MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: acpi-support, laptop-mode-tools, and hdparm: when will the madness end?
Am 28.06.2008 um 20:21 schrieb Forest Bond: > In the end, it was proclaimed that the problem is not Ubuntu's > fault, since the > only software mechanism that sets overly aggressive APM settings > for hard drives > is laptop-mode, which is disabled by default. Consequently, laptop mode should be removed. Especially for an end-user oriented distro like Ubuntu I consider it as rarther snobbish to throw responsibility for bad behaviour back to the user. Never ever Ubuntu should clearly over-exercise something. Except, perhaps, for explicit test cases. > I don't think that it means that simply enabling laptop-mode should > indicate that the user has given permission to the OS to trash his > hard drive. Exactly. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No "run" menu item?
Am 05.07.2008 um 00:31 schrieb Przemysław Kulczycki: > This would be used to open programs that are not in the menu > without having a terminal window open. You pretty much ask for a One-line Terminal putting it's output into some system log files. > Example: metacity or compiz crashes > Solution: run it again from a "run" menu item I'm almost tempted to ask what's the point to run software unreliable enough to make this an issue. ;-) More seriously, you really want to use a Terminal in such cases to catch the software's output. Likely, there's something to fix. > Bad solution: run it from terminal - you have to keep it open > because when you close it you'll close metacity/compiz/whatever > you've run in it Adding a "nohup" in front of the command will allow you to close the Terminal at any time. Just like you'd expect from a "run" Mini-Terminal. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Did we really release 8.04?
Am 07.07.2008 um 11:06 schrieb Sebastian Breier: > The problem is that even with all the alpha/beta/rc testing > available to > Ubuntu, the most tests are only done when the release is out. Yes, a lot of alpha-beta-sonstewas Releases are usually available, but also yes, they are well hidden from the interested person. Right now I tried to find downloads and/or upgrade instructions for the next release, but it's almost impossible to find them beginning at the main site. There is a menu Community -> Get Involved, but no mention of testing alphas there. The only way to find the download for the next release was to search for "Intrepid", a name I found on news sites, but not anywhere on ubuntu.com. > So, better to release and fix afterwards... *really* focussing on the > bugfixing though, as has been done, *not* focussing on the next > release > immediately. Yes, this is one possible approach. Another approach I could see would be to make beta testing more prominent. I mean, there are many people out there eager to install the all newest thing, to try it and to test it. What better could an interested in "getting involved" do but to install the next beta or RC? I'd even go as far as putting betas and release candidates right on the standard download page, right below the current stable release. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Did we really release 8.04?
Am 07.07.2008 um 13:42 schrieb (``-_-´´) -- Fernando: > On Monday 07 July 2008 12:18:27 Markus Hitter wrote: >> Right now I tried to find downloads and/or upgrade instructions for >> the next release, but it's almost impossible to find them beginning >> at the main site. There is a menu Community -> Get Involved, but no >> mention of testing alphas there. The only way to find the download >> for the next release was to search for "Intrepid", a name I found on >> news sites, but not anywhere on ubuntu.com. > > its not for time users after using Ubuntu for a release or two, > you kinda learn how to do it: You confirm my point, thanks. I knew this myself already, but how do you get this out to the thousands of potential beta testers? MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Cloned virtual test machines (was: Did we really release 8.04?)
Am 07.07.2008 um 15:12 schrieb Scott Kitterman: > There was some discussion at UDS about developing the ability to > trivially > clone a host machine into a VM so that users could easily test > their setups. You can do this already. On the host machine, set aside a spare partition for the OS, and perhaps one for the virtual machine's swap. Setup your virtual machine to use these two partitions (not the entire disk) as "raw" partitions. The only slight trouble you'll experience is the Master Boot Record / Grub which has to be set in the virtual machine's raw disk description. Then you can clone your OS to this spare partition, unmount it in Ubuntu and launch your preferred virtual machine off it. Exercised with a MS Windows partition and VirtualBox just a few weeks ago. If you want to have the details written down somewhere, please point me to the appropriate place. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Cloned virtual test machines
Am 07.07.2008 um 16:59 schrieb Felix Miata: > On 2008/07/07 16:32 (GMT+0200) Markus Hitter apparently typed: > >> Then you can clone your OS to this spare partition, unmount it in >> Ubuntu and launch your preferred virtual machine off it. > > I'm well past my 15 partition limit in most of my machines. How to > you do it? > Only 2-3 distros per machine? This one. Two Ubuntus plus Windows plus a Hackintosh ist enough for me. Sometimes I need to do some production work ;-) MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Call for testing empathy
Am 14.08.2008 um 17:03 schrieb Luke L: > Here's my other thought: I personally don't have Intrepid to test > this software out. Hardy doesn't have a functioning version > (without going into PPA and manual setup, which is not what most > people will do). Jumping straight into having it replace Pidgin > might be hasty. Consider getting a stable program in the OS for a > release before making it default. Very good idea. Get it integrated into Ubuntu properly for some time, _then_ make it the prominent default tool. This way you can put Empathy on the public schedule for Intrepid+1 (+2?) and add a note there: "If you want to test or use this app now, apt-get it into your current Ubuntu." This likely helps to settle Empathy's integration and getting it a lot more testing before it's meant to give those important first impressions of Ubuntu. my $0.02, MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Backtracing, Invalidated Bugs and Quality
Am 20.08.2008 um 13:39 schrieb Scott Kitterman: > Modulo stupid sysadmin tricks that can put a system in an > unsupportable > state, crashes are always bugs and should not be casually thrown away. Isn't this a discussion coming up every 6 months or so? From the last time I believe to remember people consider closing bug reports more important than fixing bugs. Hence the attitude to mark bugs as invalid if they don't receive additional work by the bug reporter for some weeks or months. To me, distributions with few bugs are suspicious. Having a well filled bug database is at least honest. Especially if I run into issues with the software on an almost daily basis. Ubuntu is of great design, it gets more work done, but I could use all day fixing things as well. So yes, please stop this marking-as-invalid-mania. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Backtracing, Invalidated Bugs and Quality
Am 20.08.2008 um 11:42 schrieb Null Ack: > I'm not convinced that the strategy of asking users to install > specialised debugging packages is the right way to go. I see a very > low hit rate with this working in practice. How about getting this even more automated? Apport would have three buttons: [ Abort ] [ Submit Report only ] [ Allow getting bug fixed ] The third button would not only send the bug report, but replace (apt- get) the standard package with a symbol-equipped equivalent as well. Having a debug version of a package among standard packages hurts only neglible and most users won't even notice. Voi-la, next crash time Apport will come along with a backtrace. > 1. The Debug By Default Build. Good idea, but the distro won't fit on the CD any longer. Don't know if this is an issue for developers. > 2. The Hybrid Debug Build. Similar, but for technical reasons only > some packages are debug builds. Isn't this asking for heated discussions which debugging stuff to include? > 3. Extending Investment at the Canonical Test Lab. > There is sound and > proven arguments I could help to present that demonstrate the cost to > fix defects as they progress in the lifecycle, both in terms of > monetary costs as well as costs to things like image, future sales and > so forth No machine can ever be as unforseeable as a human. Tests would have to be written for every single case (the Wine project does this). Do your arguments hold true if you don't sell anything but support and if the thingy to maintain is the about most complex piece of software in the world (a Linux distro)? > 4. Extending The Ubuntu Entry Criteria. This would hobble invention of new packages immediately. As seen with the recent Empathy discussion, new packages don't go straight from the developer's alpha release into the distribution CD anyways. my $ o.o2 MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Drag Window from anywhere in Metacity?
Am 22.08.2008 um 19:16 schrieb Mackenzie Morgan: > You have to click in the titlebar to move the window. Not having > Alt-Click-and-move-from-anywhere is one of my big complaints about > Apple's window manager. In Mac OS X, drag-from-anywhere is a feature not of the window manager, but implemented on the widget set level (Cocoa, Carbon). A developer decides at interface design time wether his app has this feature or not. Some developers prefer their app to be drag-from- titlebar-only, others don't. Both types of apps coexist smoothly. To add my $ o.o2 to the Ubuntu discussion: the drag-from-anywhere feature isn't always useful, but as well never gets into the way. I'd drop the requirement to hold down the Alt key. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: fehlermeldung
Am 28.08.2008 um 11:58 schrieb Claus Moldehauer: > hallo morzilla, For one, this is an english speaking list. Then, Mozilla is written without an "r". > hoffentlich ist das die richtige adresse. Likely, Ubuntu Users would fit better: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > vor kurzem erschien auf meinem laptop die mitteilung des > kostenlosen downladens > von morzilla firefox 3. Are you sure you're actually using Ubuntu? With Ubuntu, Update Manager should take care of installing new versions. Have fun, MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: feedback on new wiki theme
Am 06.09.2008 um 00:00 schrieb Mackenzie Morgan: > On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 14:31 -0700, Jordan Mantha wrote: >> This is a very nice theme and looks more professional and usable to >> me. My only complaint is that it's rather narrow on all my computers >> (widescreen laptop and LCD displays). It looks like we're losing an >> awful lot of screen real estate. Is it possible to make it a fluid >> rather than fixed width theme? http://www.ubuntu.com has the same >> issue. It ends up looking rather cramped on all my computers and more >> like a blog site (perhaps because of the ubiquity of some of >> Wordpresses past default themes :-) ). > > There is one usability issue with letting the content get too wide, > however. For me, the content is too wide already. With the new theme I have to scroll sideways. The old theme works better in this regard. > The reason is that as the lines get longer, it becomes more > difficult to track which line one is reading. Correct. I'll never understand why people find it convenient to have fullscreen (text) windows on a device like 1920 pixels wide. Nevertheless, many people use fullscreen windows, screen sizes vary widely, and the most democratic solution is to avoid the insistence and use variable width rendering for web pages. Helps PDA users a lot as well. my o.o2 MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Boot sequence profiling on first boot
Am 08.09.2008 um 01:05 schrieb Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk: > 2008/9/8 Wouter Stomp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> I just tried the effect of profiling the boot sequence by adding >> profile to the kernel line in grub, and the effects were amazing! >> From >> 1:21 (average of 3 boots) to 58 seconds (again average of 3). > > I tried it and the speedup was only from 0:37 to 0:34. The system has > a month and a half. I don't know much about the boot profiler, but likely, it can influence the time between kernel loading and starting X11 only. On my machine, a fairly recent dual core desktop, most time is used on the other parts: the vendor's BIOS screen, Grub waiting a few seconds for possible user input, X11 and Gnome launching. Nevertheless, a gain of a few seconds is great, considering the boot sequence (hopefully) remains stable and it's a gain on each of millions of computers. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Boot-time improvements
Am 09.09.2008 um 20:31 schrieb Jonathan Carter (highvoltage): > Perhaps making the boot-process longer, by loading any non-essential > software as late as possible (even long after the user has logged on), > but getting the user interface ready as early as possible, should > be the > target, instead of trying to get everything to complete as soon as > possible. This is what Windows XP does already, isn't it? You boot, get automatic login, see the desktop, but essentially have to wait longer to do something useful. The only possible improvement I can see is to make more services launch on demand. That is, move apache and similars into xinetd. For any real enhancement, you'd have to rip stuff out. Like avoiding gdm when using automatic login. Like avoiding to run startup scripts just to find out the service isn't even requested. Just a single $o.o1, MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Backtracing, Invalidated Bugs and Quality
Am 14.09.2008 um 03:32 schrieb Null Ack: > Action Item 1: I'm not a developer, but I can help any developers with > testing and feedback for enhancements to Apport. Null, your investments in enhancing Apport ist great. Now, a few weeks later, I've learned Apport can map coredumps to readable text already. One of the bugs I've filed shows how things can go wrong: <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/260715> Another one went a lot better: <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/ 269595> Minutes after I've Apport-reported the later bug, stack traces came out of (apparently) nowhere and within a day, a fix was posted. Short of self-healing applications, this is about as good as one can imagine. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA
Hello all, readers of this list might be interested in the discussion here: <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/269656/> It's about a new requirement from the Mozilla Foundation, how End User License Agreements (EULAs) are against the spirit of free software and the GPL, how click-through requirements affect the user experience and about wether Firefox should be replaced with a differently branded equivalent: <http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/13200/> <http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/13201/> <http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/13202/> MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA
Am 15.09.2008 um 13:45 schrieb Peteris Krisjanis: > trademarks are trademarks. They must be enforced and only > way for owners to control them is agreements. Almost every industry product we know has some sort of a trademark. Yet, when you buy paper towels, grocery, shoes, ... nowhere you have to agree to such an agreement. Not even when buying high-level items like cars. This perception of trademark enforcement you describe ist really unique to some parts of the software industry. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA
Am 16.09.2008 um 02:00 schrieb Onno Benschop: > To me this issue is the thin-end of the wedge, next we'll have a EULA > for which ever developer wants to have a EULA. I realise that not all > applications will go down this route, but if this stands as a > precedent, > then we're likely to be bombarded by pop-up EULA's and we'll no longer > have the option of installing software within (large) organisations > without having a lawyer present. For me, I'm fanatic enough to _not_ care wether I have to click away a few nagging windows or not. The issue is, Mozilla tries to restrict what a user is allowed to do with Firefox and this is a big no-no in the open source world. At least for software claiming to be free-as- in-speech. If we let this go through, others will come up with similar or differently shaped restrictions (commercial interests are everywhere), leading to a legal nightmare much worse than what we are used to from Microsoft, Apple, or similars. That said, I think Mark Shuttleworth should have learned now the Ubuntu community doesn't take such issues lightly and will proceed accordingly. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: pain in the butt
Am 17.09.2008 um 15:27 schrieb jude ui: > I have treid and used , reinstalled ubuntu many times , I find it a > pain to install software WITHOUT THE INTERNET As you are discussing with developers: please go ahead, single out what exactly you have problems with, file a bug for each of the problems at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ and start working on them. Your help is appreciated. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: IDEA: Commercial Subscription Repositiory
Am 17.09.2008 um 19:21 schrieb Kevin Fries: > Next we create a special package we can call ubuntu-desktop- > licensed that will automatically include all of the licensed and > commercial software [...] IMHO, forget it. Neither Microsoft nor Apple nor one of the smaller vendors will ever allow to upload their commercial-only binaries to a public place. Even less if it helps users getting away from their products. > to provide a Windows-esk experience The only way I can see an advantage is to look into well known places the user owns already, like a Windows installation on a different partition or the rescue disks most computers ship with. It's not so much wether other OSs have better fonts, it's more because you want to look at your older documents with the fonts they were made with. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Tablet PC under ubuntu - a call to xorg and ubuntu developers
Am 29.09.2008 um 16:39 schrieb Loïc Martin: > I'd tend to agree with you that pointing this in ubuntu-devel-discuss > is uterly useless, [...]. Bug reports in Launchpad [...] You need both. Bug report(s) for documenting and tracking the technical issues as well as a post to the mailing list as a heads-up to the interested folks and to discuss the broader topic. Ideally, you add a bug link to the latter. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Package removals from archive should have email notifications
Am 25.10.2008 um 16:23 schrieb Onkar Shinde: > I suggest that package removals should have email notifications, if it > is possible, to following people. > 1. Last uploader of the package. > 2. The email address of last changelog entry. > 3. The maintainer team, Ubuntu MOTU in this case. plus 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Proposal for apt install-recommends settings
Am 24.10.2008 um 16:07 schrieb vidd: > In Intrepid (8.10), this behavior has changed. Now recommends are > being > treated as depends. > For the majority of users, this is tolerable. > However, for some users, particularly net-device users, low-spec > servers, and minimalists, this is a heavy burden. I share this view, there are plenty of situations where you really don't want to waste disk space and/or processor cycles. > I have a proposal that would easily remove this burden for the user > that > wishes to not install recommends by default, and yet easily enable the > install recommends for those that want it: Perhaps you've seen it already, Synaptic has such a switch in it's preferences. While this switch isn't ill-placed there, I think it would be an advantage to put this into a more global place, like the sources.list file. Then, the adjustment of this switch would go to the package sources selector accordingly. What would you think about a global switch, without making a hijack- package? MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Boot times,services and packages
Am 27.10.2008 um 18:13 schrieb Mackenzie Morgan: > On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 16:55 +0530, shirish wrote: >> Hi all, >>There are three services which on my system which just take >> cycles other than doing anything. (or so I believe) >> >> a. nvidia-kernel (no nvidia card so useless) >> b. bluetooth (no support for bluetooth in the motherboard, so >> useless again) >> c. laptop-mode ( this is a desktop, although do have a UPS) > > I've asked about Bluetooth on a non-bluetooth mobo before, and it was > pointed out that since you can have a Bluetooth USB dongle, getting > rid > of the computer's ability to notice that you plugged one in might > not be > a good thing. As I can plug in such a dongle at any time, where's the urgent need to search for one at boot time? The solution in the bluetooth arena would probably to initialize the mechanism, but to move the search for an actual device to the background. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Boot times,services and packages
Am 27.10.2008 um 20:11 schrieb Mackenzie Morgan: > On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 20:09 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: >> Am 27.10.2008 um 18:13 schrieb Mackenzie Morgan: >> >>> On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 16:55 +0530, shirish wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>>There are three services which on my system which just take >>>> cycles other than doing anything. (or so I believe) >>>> >>>> a. nvidia-kernel (no nvidia card so useless) >>>> b. bluetooth (no support for bluetooth in the motherboard, so >>>> useless again) >>>> c. laptop-mode ( this is a desktop, although do have a UPS) >>> >>> I've asked about Bluetooth on a non-bluetooth mobo before, and it >>> was >>> pointed out that since you can have a Bluetooth USB dongle, getting >>> rid >>> of the computer's ability to notice that you plugged one in might >>> not be >>> a good thing. >> >> As I can plug in such a dongle at any time, where's the urgent need >> to search for one at boot time? >> >> The solution in the bluetooth arena would probably to initialize the >> mechanism, but to move the search for an actual device to the >> background. > > Isn't that what it does? It just starts up the service that watches > for > a dongle. What's the OP complaining about, then? I must admit, I didn't do my own benchmarks. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Proposal for apt install-recommends settings
Am 27.10.2008 um 23:26 schrieb Christopher James Halse Rogers: > On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 20:03 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: > ... > snip > ... >> Perhaps you've seen it already, Synaptic has such a switch in it's >> preferences. While this switch isn't ill-placed there, I think it >> would be an advantage to put this into a more global place, like the >> sources.list file. Then, the adjustment of this switch would go to >> the package sources selector accordingly. >> >> What would you think about a global switch, without making a hijack- >> package? >> > Isn't the contents /etc/apt/apt.conf.d already such a global switch? Quite possible. I didn't know about this so far. > it seems like it would be more useful to educate the relevant users > about the rich apt configuration options available. If you have to educate people even after they looked for some feature, there's something wrong. Perhaps the feature set of apt & friends is richer than it is useful? MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Proposal for apt install-recommends settings
Am 28.10.2008 um 07:19 schrieb Mario Vukelic: > shouldn't such users be expected of being capable of reading man > apt-get, man apt.conf, man aptitude and the like? I would think so. Those man pages a huge, you can easily fill a day reading and comparing them. > And IMHO, reading through those man pages I can't see any options that > pop out as useless. The existence of aptitude duplicates a lot of what apt-get can do already. I've yet to find a case where aptitude is actually needed. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Intrepid's gnome-session will easilly cause serious user data loss
Am 28.10.2008 um 18:36 schrieb Chris Coulson: > So, it's been running all night waiting for me to respond to a dialog! Yet another reason to use standby or suspend instead of shutdown. ;-) MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Intrepid's gnome-session will easilly cause serious user data loss
Am 29.10.2008 um 09:16 schrieb (``-_-´´) -- Fernando: > On Tuesday 28 October 2008 22:44:03 Markus Hitter wrote: >> Am 28.10.2008 um 18:36 schrieb Chris Coulson: >>> So, it's been running all night waiting for me to respond to a >>> dialog! >> Yet another reason to use standby or suspend instead of shutdown. ;-) > > When it works, lol > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/290191 > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/288617 Glad to see standby and suspend getting more attention. For the records, I'm even dual-booting two suspended states on the same computer. Using Grub, I can choose wether to resume the suspended (hibernated) Windows XP or the suspended Intrepid. Works like a charm. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10
Am 29.10.2008 um 14:10 schrieb Felix Miata: > This isn't the first time here mc has been deemed dispensible. This doesn't surprise me, as mc is a (intentionally old-fashioned) file manager an Nautilus covers this functionality already. One possible way of dealing with the situation is to add a Ubuntu derivate, composed for DOS fans. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Intrepid's gnome-session will easilly cause serious user data loss
Am 29.10.2008 um 20:52 schrieb Phillip Susi: > Markus Hitter wrote: >> Glad to see standby and suspend getting more attention. >> For the records, I'm even dual-booting two suspended states on >> the same computer. Using Grub, I can choose wether to resume the >> suspended (hibernated) Windows XP or the suspended Intrepid. >> Works like a charm. > > Just make sure you do not mount any of the same partitions in both > OSes. For example, if you mount the windows NTFS partition from > Ubuntu while windows is hibernated, it will cause corruption. Actually, Ubuntu's ntfs3g detects this situation and refuses to mount a hibernated volume. I'm not sure about the other way. But there are similar pitfalls, like booting a different kernel (unfortunately doesn't fail). MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Version Control
Am 02.11.2008 um 23:00 schrieb (``-_-´´) -- Fernando: > The reason I'm emailing you guys and galls, is to ask if someone > recommends any other Version Control System, that can suit my needs > of safe guarding my confs as versioning, plus binary files. > AFAIK git aint that good, because each commit will store ALL files, > and not just the updates. Git will, like any other version control system, store changes only. If you see complete files for each version in git, that's because git is lazy in tidying up it's repository and creates complete files on the fly, as needed. A significant advantage over some of it's competitors is in your case, it works with a single private (.git) directory. Git works here for controlling binary files just fine. Binaries disallow merging, of course. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: rename system-cleaner-gtk to cruft-remover-gtk
Am 03.11.2008 um 11:48 schrieb James Westby:
> there is no way to tell the difference between obsolete packages
> and locally installed ones.
Doesn't apt-get suggest to "auto-remove" packages from time to time?
Obviously, the packaging mechanism keeps track of which packages were
installed by user command and which ones solely as a dependency.
To add my own $ o.o2, I'd very much like to see a tool or Synaptic
feature which tells me about the differences between a standard
install and the current set of installed packages. One can purge
package by package until {Synaptic, apt-get,...} wants to remove the
ubuntu-desktop meta-package, but this is tedious, very tedious.
Perhaps this exists already, but I didn't notice yet.
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Re: rename system-cleaner-gtk to cruft-remover-gtk
Am 03.11.2008 um 13:35 schrieb Lars Wirzenius: > ma, 2008-11-03 kello 12:49 +0100, Markus Hitter kirjoitti: > >> To add my own $ o.o2, I'd very much like to see a tool or Synaptic >> feature which tells me about the differences between a standard >> install and the current set of installed packages. > > That's something cruft-remover could eventually do, too, if people > think > it is a useful feature. Could you file a wishlist bug against the > system-cleaner package about it? Done <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/system-cleaner/+bug/ 293557> MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Jaunty open for development
Am 05.11.2008 um 14:08 schrieb Jim Legget: > I have a LAN with 9 machines consisting of a mixture of UBUNTU > Linux and > Windows Vista / XP operating systems. > I have found there is too much hand editing of configuration files > such as > NSSWITCH.CONF, SMB.CONF and others to make it worthwhile. My network is similar, plus a few Macintoshes. On the Ubuntu side, I can't remember to ever have hand-edited some configuration file. NFS, SMB, SSH, all clients work out of the box, after asking for a password. Could you be more specific? Which protocol, client or server, what exactly doesn't work? MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu 8.10 significantly slower than previous versions
Am 06.11.2008 um 20:21 schrieb Dan Colish: > They're using very different gcc versions between the os's. Well, newer gcc's are meant to produce faster code, aren't they? MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)
Am 13.11.2008 um 10:32 schrieb Stephan Hermann: > But reality told me different. Stephan, your points about the unfortunate truth are valid. Nevertheless, software quality is one of the keys to success. I've just filed the second bug where one of the Gnome applets segfaults in a standard situation. Many developers obviously code really sloppy, a la "it worked once in my situation, so it works always in all situations". Some developers even consider a segfault as a normal way to end the execution of an application. This is a more general observation of mine, this is ridiculous. While we can't "fix" developers, we can put more automatic helpers into place: - Keep Apport enabled even on stable releases. Hiding bugs doesn't help. While this doesn't fix bugs by it's self, it greatly helps to fix them after the fact (and timely educate developers about their practices). Additionally, this opens the door to get some automatic measure about the quality of drivers or other software. Count open bugs and you know what you roughly can expect. If you count too many of them, drop the hardware in the compatibility list. To keep more users happy: - Allow downgrades. This should help narrowing potential causes of the trouble. Ideally, there would be a big regression testing facility, like Wine has one. Each time a Wine developer fixes a bug, he's pushed to create a test for his case. These test cases are run automatically for each commited patch and pretty well avoid introducing a bug a second time. to add my $o.o2, MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Apport in stable releases [was: Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list]
Am 14.11.2008 um 03:25 schrieb Scott Kitterman: > Perhaps Apport could be taught to roll the dice and return crash > reports in > some fraction of cases post-release (perhaps 5 or 10 percent). > This would > help us catch regressions. I don't see a reason why Apport is automatically switched off at some point in time. If a user is enthusiastic enough to run alpha and beta releases (s)he already agrees to Apport's doing, so it would be reasonable to maintain this state beyond the update to the stable release. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Proposal for restricted drivers policy adjustment
Am 20.11.2008 um 14:29 schrieb Michael Hrabanek: >> When our voices will be loud enough we can make change and get rid of >> proprietary drivers. BTW, are those proprietary drivers stored for distribution on a Ubuntu server or are they downloaded from the original source each time? The later should give high download numbers in a place where the vendor would notice. A vendor should really notice how much demand there actually is, perhaps making him think twice about his lock-in. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: [strawman] partual support of apps for policykit for Jaunty
Am 20.11.2008 um 16:29 schrieb Martin Pitt: > There goes the remaining bit of user/admin separation which we have, > and we can just as well have anyone work as root in the first place. Well, if you edit a system file as a normal user, you'd have to provide the password, don't you? That's like "vi" vs. "sudo vi". > What we should fix are the *reasons* why users want > to edit files as root, instead of making crackful things easier. Most Ubuntu installations are single user probably, so the only user does system administration as well. Differentiating between user and root has two reasons: - prevent him from accidently shooting into his foot - protect against possibly insecure software by running it with user privileges. I hope neither of both gets lost when gedit becomes PolicyKit-aware. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
How to push bugs upstream
Hello all, one of my bug reports (282379) didn't get any attention and, as it's a problem likely better solved upstreams, I'd like to push the bug upstreams myself. Is there any recommended or standardized procedure to do so? <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox-ose/+bug/282379> Thanks, Markus / Traumflug - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user
Am 28.12.2008 um 07:49 schrieb Chris Cheney: > Thus it would take a very long time to download for a large > percentage of the world. Although perhaps this is not as big an > issue since many places have a bandwidth cap as well so people > wouldn't be downloading the image in the first place? You propose to intentionally get rid of a significant number of users? Hmm. For me, the limited size of the CD is one of the great features of Ubuntu as it not only allows a reasonable quick download, but obviously stops Ubuntu from bloating as well. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Mimicking Ubuntu's build robots
Hello all, in an attempt to get some insight about <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnustep-base/+bug/245981> I tried to build the packages myself. However, the results are totally different from what I see in the build logs attached to the bug. I can't reproduce the bug as the build works fine outside a chrooted environment. So my question is: how would I best mimick Ubuntu's build machinery? Probably a virtual machine, to allow building i386 on an AMD64 host, but which type of installation, what else? Thanks, Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Mimicking Ubuntu's build robots
Am 09.01.2009 um 02:22 schrieb James Westby: > On Fri, 2009-01-09 at 01:26 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> in an attempt to get some insight about >> >> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnustep-base/+bug/245981> >> >> [...] >> >> So my question is: how would I best mimick Ubuntu's build machinery? >> Probably a virtual machine, to allow building i386 on an AMD64 host, >> but which type of installation, what else? >> > > [...] > There are local copies of the DTDs in the source package, the one it > probably wants is ./Tools/gsdoc-1_0_3.dtd, but it is apparently > searching for a file ending in ".xml", and from what I can see only > adds user, system and network locations to the search path, though > the intent of "-HeaderDirectory ../Tools" may be to do this. So you mean I have three (Matt's, your's, Mine) patch recommendations now, but there is no way to actually test such a patch without commiting it to Ubuntu's public repo's? I'm used to provide tested patches only, so I hope this isn't true. Cheers, Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Mimicking Ubuntu's build robots
Am 09.01.2009 um 17:39 schrieb James Westby: > You can [...] > > You can [...] > > You can [...] Wow, there are plenty of options. Thanks a lot. I didn't recognize a PPA has a build machinery, yet, and will try that path. Thanks James, Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: [strawman] Make Git Branches of all Ubuntu Packages Too
Am 13.01.2009 um 00:37 schrieb Joseph Smidt: > As you all know there has been tremendous discussion over Git vs. > Bazaar recently. Has been? Actually, I didn't notice this discussion yet and while I touched a lot of FOSS projects recently, not a single one uses Bazaar. Even when working with/for Ubuntu, the use of a revision control system other than the project's native one didn't surface so far. > Why not also bite the bullet and standardize how open source > projects track how we are modifying software? Sure. After the ageing of CVS everybody runs in a similar, but different direction. A nightmare. As the others mentioned, having a single (git-)interface for different repos whould be a big leap in the right direction. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: QuitAppletPlus is ready for your feedback!
Am 21.01.2009 um 22:23 schrieb Roman Friesen: > Am Mittwoch, den 21.01.2009, 13:50 +0100 schrieb Siegfried-Angel: >> 2009/1/21 Martin Pitt : >>>> - protection against accidentally choosing wrong actions without >>>> "Are >>>> you sure?"-confirmations >>> >>> Likewise, although our design guys might have an explicit reason for >>> not having an extra confirmation dialog by default? >> >> If I remember correctly (but I may be wrong), there were plans to let >> the fast-user-switch-applet show the same dialogue as the options in >> the System menu, but that couldn't be finished on time for Intrepid. > Oh, please no... > > It's not common to place buttons such as in this dialogs, it's only a > single place with such layout I know in Gnome... I think it's a a hard > break of the usability. Apple Mac OS X has such confirmation dialogs as well, but only for actions which have potential data loss (log out, power off) and with an expiration timer of 120 seconds. On expiration, the requested action is taken, so you can select shut down and walk away to find your Mac turned off later. That's all Mac OS X 10.4, I don't know about 10.5. Confirmation of potential data loss is a good idea, IMHO. Offering a selection dialog after the user has (pre-)selected his choice in the menu, isn't. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Doing something about signal:noise complaints
Am 22.01.2009 um 12:19 schrieb Andrew Sayers: > Ubuntu developers tend to complain about the ratio of signal to > noise on > this list - that is, the percentage of posts that take up their time > without helping them to improve Ubuntu. Hmm. Is this possibly a indirect argumentation? Developers are developers because they want to improve Ubuntu. Improvements in form of new features, better design, added functionality, simplified use of Ubuntu. On the other hand, users are typically pointing to what developers don't want to hear: Bugs, mistakes, incompatibilities, differing opinions and more bugs. Currently, Ubuntu's quality in this regard isn't exactly shining compared to the main competitors Windows XP and Mac OS X, so users might have a tendency to be head more loudly. IMHO, there's a natural barrier between users and developers and the best way to improve relations here is to try to get users involved in a more productive way. Apport has made great improvements recently and I'm sure there can be found more ways to benefit from occasional developers and hobbyist coders. In return, user's complaints will calm down, have less substance and likely won't be felt that nagging. I'm aware this opinion could be received as being slightly aggressive, please bear with me. > The current draft of the survey is at > http://pileofstuff.org/ubuntu-survey/ and will go live this time > tomorrow - there's still time to make changes if you have ideas. You ask how likely it is for the participant to post to the -devel list. Isn't the -devel list closed to non-developers, making it not a choice for most people? MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Internet-Teenagers and what Ubuntu can do.
Am 29.01.2009 um 13:19 schrieb Matthew Paul Thomas: > I suggest instead taking up this issue with the companies that sell > computers with Ubuntu on it. If enough customers demand parental > control features, those companies may invest in implementing them, > precisely because they know volunteers won't. This is a good idea. One of the most fundamental ideas of free open source software is to _avoid_ artifical barriers, after all. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Thoughts for assisting those with limited bandwidth
Am 31.01.2009 um 15:09 schrieb Davyd McColl: > I don't appreciate a 78mb download every other day because one > config item in the kernel config has been changed or tweaked. I think what you are really asking for are incremental packages. Additional to full packages, each server would supply a package-diff which would allow to upgrade a given package to the next version. This isn't exactly trivial (you'd have to un-archive and re-archive packages to get meaningful diffs, it has to be binary safe and allow to remove files), but I've read about this idea on this list before. Perhaps you can find this spot and start working out something like a concept or even mockup code. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Thoughts for assisting those with limited bandwidth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 01.02.2009 um 21:43 schrieb Mackenzie Morgan: > I would like to know how they handle situations where the person > hasn't > updated in 3 weeks and the package has been updated in the meantime. > > Say, for example: > -0ubuntu1 is currently installed > -0ubuntu3 is available to install > > Do they need to install -0ubuntu2 and THEN -0ubuntu3? I don't know how Fedora does, but you always have the fallback option to download the full package. The server always has to provide full packages to allow new installations. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkmG1MkACgkQm7ux1ZKeoqaDJgCdFU3aDR7610NtQBdP/xwYpGEZ 0X8AmweOgwQALZbXh+CN/PdJRCs4BZiO =Rnq6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?
Am 16.01.2009 um 16:58 schrieb Liam Zwitser: > I assume that most people don´t want to have to > restart their pc when the GUI chrashes. I assume most people don't want their GUI to crash at all. That's a serious data loss each time, after all. If your X crashes from time to time that's unfortunate for you, but a good thing for Ubuntu as you get the chance to report and track down a bug. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?
Am 10.02.2009 um 14:33 schrieb Scott James Remnant: > On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 22:53 +0100, Martin Olsson wrote: > >> PS. I think Lennart is doing a _terrific_ job; I'm hoping Ubuntu >> technical >> board understands the need to be careful about merging new stuff >> to avoid >> regressions. This experience has been quiet painful for me and I >> suspect >> there is other people still out there with PA related regressions. >> DS. >> > It's not that simple, in fact I'd go as far to say that "we should > never > adopt new things" is a very dangerous position to take. Isn't this conclusion pretty much an overstatement? New things shall be adopted, of course. Nevertheless, regressions are very painful. They actually stop people from adopting new technology, after all. For an example, I currently don't run 9.04 alpha because it (yet again) broke support for the monitor resolution I need. Because of this, I didn't even notice the new pulseaudio. Undoubtly, efforts to avoid regressions are a very good thing. One possible solution is to offer the possibility to roll back to or keep the previous technology. Perhaps you want to have a look at other distros to get an idea on how they deal with this challenge: <http://www.nabble.com/HEADSUP-usb2-usb4bsd-to-become-default-in- GENERIC-td21866690.html> MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?
Am 10.02.2009 um 16:35 schrieb Scott James Remnant: > On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 16:31 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: > >> Undoubtly, efforts to avoid regressions are a very good thing. One >> possible solution is to offer the possibility to roll back to or keep >> the previous technology. Perhaps you want to have a look at other >> distros to get an idea on how they deal with this challenge: >> > As far as I'm aware, there aren't any distributions doing 6-monthly > releases that deal with this challenge. FreeBSD has two continuous streams of development: Current (bleeding edge) and Stable. Additionally, they provide bugfixes for at least one older release (similar to Ubuntu's LTS). Instead of stair- stepping from release to release, they improve things piece by piece and fork releases when it's convenient. Not exactly every six months, but similarly often: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/index.html This strategy is very convenient, as things never break down completely. You can always deal with single problems, while the remaining parts of the OS stay intact. No waiting for releases either, simply subscribe to one of the continuous streams. The backside is, you have to backport each new feature at least once. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Default font size in gnome
Am 27.02.2009 um 19:29 schrieb Felix Miata:
> On 2009/02/27 10:47 (GMT-0600) Ryan Hayle composed:
>
>> On 27/02/09 10:09, Chris Cheney wrote:
>
>>> Fortunately most web designers are smart enough not to use px for
>>> fonts.
>
> I'm not so sure it's reached 50% yet, particularly for shopping
> carts. For
> those that have changed away, most have not switched to respecting
> defaults.
> The most popular trend is to impose predominatly 12px by setting 'body
> {font-size: 62.5%}' (5/8 of 12pt, which is 10px @ 96 DPI, 7.5pt)
> and then 'p
> {font-size: 1.2em}' (120% of 10px == 12px). http://clagnut.com/blog/
> 348/
> explains the convolution. Others typically size copy text to .76em,
> 80%, or
> thereabouts.
This is likely all true, but with resolution independent rendering,
it no longer applies. In the future, "px" is just a measurement unit,
just like "in" or "mm". Once the software gets this, it's perfectly
fine for web developers to ask for a "12pt" font. It just won't be
rendered with characters 12 screen pixel high, but with this value,
divided/multiplied with the screen dpi.
I can understand this is difficult to get swallowed. For 40 (or more)
years now, the rule was 1 pixel = 1 dot on the screen. A picture,
100px x 100px in size used to use exactly 100 x 100 dots on screen.
Now, this is no longer true.
To stir the mix additionally, there are many pieces of software
respecting resolution independent rendering and many others not.
Picture viewers still map one picture pixel to one dot on screen and
call this "100%". Font/text displying tools still shortcut rendering
engines and draw a 12pt font with 12-dot-on-screen character glyphs.
Some software considers 72 dpi screens (Macintosh monitors were
produced many years this way) as "standard", others won't work with
anything but a 96 dpi screen (Windows XP default setting). This makes
comparisons so difficult.
My personal hope is, this dust settles once people get used to set
their screen dpi just right: it is a measurable fact.
Then, they will start complaining a 12 px font is waaay to big for
phone screens ;-)
MarKus
P.S.: There's no real need for an additional measurement unit besides
mm and in, so I'd actually prefer to see "px" going away entirely.
What a dream!
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Re: Default font size in gnome
Am 28.02.2009 um 22:08 schrieb Chris Cheney: > Also where is a 100x100 image not displayed as such? On a printer, for example. If application designers would map pictures to a printer the same way they currently map it to the screen, users would likely call them insane. Now try to imagine a screen with 1200 dpi ... > However, in cases where the image has DPI/size information a > publishing program should take that into account. Sure it should. The DPI of the image as well as the DPI of the displaying device. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Default font size in gnome
Am 28.02.2009 um 19:52 schrieb Mackenzie Morgan: > On Saturday 28 February 2009 6:38:04 am Markus Hitter wrote: >> I can understand this is difficult to get swallowed. For 40 (or more) >> years now, the rule was 1 pixel = 1 dot on the screen. A picture, >> 100px x 100px in size used to use exactly 100 x 100 dots on screen. >> Now, this is no longer true. > > Wait...what? A pixel will no longer be 1 dot? From the applications's view: no. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Remove app via apt-get from menu
Am 19.03.2009 um 22:08 schrieb Oli Warner: > I don't see how adding context menus to the menu items could > confuse anybody Right-click menus inside a left-click menu? I can't imagine any user interface guideline agrees here. Many people use menus with a single click (mouse down - drag to submenu item - mouse up). Way too much finger acrobatics to handle a right click at the same time. > -- there *are* context menu's on almost everything else in Ubuntu Yes, almost everything. Everything exept menus them selfs. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: High CPU usage applet
Am 08.05.2009 um 14:47 schrieb Andrew Sayers: > [...] then send a STOP signal to processes guilty beyond a > reasonable doubt, before asking the user what to do. Please ask the user first. There are very valid reasons why a system is running under full steam. For example, if one makes actually use of the available processing power: Doing scientific calculations, rendering videos, playing games, serving. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Current situation of amarok, and of latex tools
Am 13.05.2009 um 20:39 schrieb Daniel Chen: > There has been no lack of calls for testing. Some of these calls have > resulted in timely and effective bug reports. Others, not so much. I > doubt testers' responses have been blithely ignored. I hope they aren't, of course. Yet, of the about 8 bugs I reported over the last two years, only one was fixed - about nine months after reporting. If you want to review: at Launchpad I'm "Traumflug". This gives an impression like "The Ubuntu Team" (whoever this is) is totally overwhelmed with the sheer number of reports - wich isn't neccessarily a bad thing, but isn't encouraging more reports either. I admit I didn't participate in Jaunty testing. Running the alpha Live-CD showed me it wouldn't support my preferred monitor resoluton. In Intrepid, this resolution worked perfectly. This was reported (I think), but this part of Jaunty worked as designed (allow resolutions the monitor hardware suggests, only), and I had to find a workaround. I did this after the release, of course. Later Daniel wrote: > But is your hardware indicative of the common case? IMHO, the only common case on the i386/AMD64 platform is: there is no common case. Seriously: there are millions of combinations of hardware components out there and even if some 0.13% of the computers worldwide happen to have the exactly same hardware, each of the hardware's users will have a different perference on how the box should work. So: There is no common case. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Current situation of amarok, and of latex tools
Am 14.05.2009 um 13:16 schrieb Vincenzo Ciancia: > If every case can be argued to be uncommon, why worrying at all with > fixing bugs? No bug affects all users. Good point. Having no common case means bugs have to be taken seriously independent of how many users are affected. If each bug affects only one percent of the users, there likely won't be any users left with a smooth experience, after all. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Current situation of amarok, and of latex tools
Am 15.05.2009 um 11:17 schrieb Onno Benschop: > There are days when I wonder if Linux will ever get ahead of the > curve. > As popularity increases, expectations mount, bug reports increase, > noise > level goes up, work-load goes up, dissatisfaction goes up, morale > drops, > momentum stalls, and then - fubar. As popularity increases, more vendors will attempt to provide drivers at launch dates of new hardware. For now it's a reasonable strategy to buy hardware which is at least half a year old or which is binary compatible with such older hardware. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: [rfc] improving 32bit user performance/experience...
Am 19.05.2009 um 01:24 schrieb Daniel J Blueman: > A number of benchmarks show a significant performance loss on 32bit > ubuntu over 64bit [...] > Just how much user experience do we trade away for i386/i486 legacy > compatibility these days? IMHO, you draw an odd conclusion here. You recognize AMD64 to be faster than i386 and take this argument to turn away some of the i386 users? If you are so keen on performance, by all means, install AMD64. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
What's wrong with Ubuntu's policy?
Hello all, today it came to my attention Dell plans to do two things: a) Stick with Ubuntu 8.04 in favour of a more recent release for new machines. b) Fork the package repository to get updates out to their customers. <http://www.betanews.com/article/Dell-Most-Linux-users-dont-really- need-the-latest-version/1242843704> In my opinion, this is disappointing. Very disappointing. What is wrong with Ubuntu's release/fix/backport strategy for such a thing to happen? Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: What's wrong with Ubuntu's policy?
Am 21.05.2009 um 13:44 schrieb Martin Owens: > Although part of me also feels that we haven't yet reached the > maturity > with a number of key foundation systems to really be sure about > deployment longevity. (i,e xorg, [...] Well, xorg is based on (or part of) X, which is about 20 years old. X was considered to be "mature" for some time, and severly behind a few years later. Do you really think there is something like a "maturity" which can be reached? If not after 20 years, how long does it take? 30 years, 50 years? Similar facts apply for the other packages you mentioned. My strong feeling is, reaching maturity is almost like stopping development, which shouldn't happen. It looks like the key to success is to reach a good user experience in constant development, without ever reaching "task done". Am 21.05.2009 um 13:12 schrieb Peteris Krisjanis: > People already use gizillions of PPA reps and backport packages to get > what they need. Yes, I use PPAs and self-compiled versions as well. Some newer packages run more stable, give a better experience (and sometimes new features). As far as I can tell, Ubuntu disencourages using versions other than the distribution provided ones. Is this in fear of the dependency hell? Obviously, switching versions works well for many people. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: What's wrong with Ubuntu's policy?
Am 21.05.2009 um 19:11 schrieb Martin Pitt: > Shipping a new machine with hardy plus some extra Dell repo for new > stuff is just fine for them, if that's how they see they can benefit > their customers best. Arguably they should ask us to do official > backports and use those, but since we don't throw a lot of QA at them, > they don't lose much with doing them themselves. From the article: > We go the extra mile in double qualifying all updates (that one > would see in stock 8.10 and 9.04) and only publish those that are > rock-stable. To me, this sounds much like a fork of Ubuntu, just without a new name. Stick with 8.04 as a base, re-do all changes from there on. Have fun with people mixing up Canonical-Ubuntu with Dell-Ubuntu. > But it's a totally different thing to impose that new stuff as forced > updates to _existing installations_, especially with LTS. Obviously, they trust them selves to reliably avoid regressions and trust their customers not to complain about new features. We'll see. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: What's wrong with Ubuntu's policy?
Am 22.05.2009 um 08:23 schrieb Martin Pitt: > As I said, you cannot have a regression _by definition_ if you ship a > new machine with that backported stuff preinstalled. Of course. > Of course I don't know whether they inflict those updates to earlier > customers as well. They sell the machine now and promise to deliver the updates over the next year. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Current situation of amarok, and of latex tools
Am 25.05.2009 um 00:01 schrieb Jan Claeys: > And to be honest, I don't see how we can make more people use alpha > versions on their "I need this for work" system... Craft a system where people can switch back and forth between different package versions. "This update broke foo?" -> Report a bug and switch foo back to the previous version -> Damage gone, user happy. Programmers do something similar with their source code already, why not with binary packages? Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Current situation of amarok, and of latex tools
Am 25.05.2009 um 03:46 schrieb Christopher James Halse Rogers: > Supporting package downgrades means > supporting package downgrades in general, and this would require that > package maintainers write back-conversion utilities where necessary. ... or to make a copy of the original settings just before doing the conversion. To get started, simply allowing downgrades (= keeping the older version in the list of available versions) without making a headache about configs would likely solve many more problems than it creates. For Alpha & Beta, where people are expected to know how apt-get & friends work, of course. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition
Am 08.06.2009 um 08:37 schrieb Stephan Hermann: > Mono gives us a good way into the MS front...this could also be a > point > of view. It's interesting to see how some people accuse Mono to be Microsofts inroad into the open source world and others see the inroad of open source into the Microsoft world in the very same piece of software. Shall the freedom win ! Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: GRUB 2 now default for new installations
Am 09.06.2009 um 00:45 schrieb André Pirard: > Similarly, the swap partition should be a Linux file. > This frees the user from swap considerations and opens Linux to > dynamic swap size. + 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: GRUB 2 now default for new installations
Am 10.06.2009 um 21:44 schrieb Lars Wirzenius: > ke, 2009-06-10 kello 15:21 -0400, John Moser kirjoitti: >> Every argument for putting Grub or the kernel on a separate partition >> has been based around the idea that these files are somehow more >> important than, say, /bin/sh > > Putting the kernel (i.e., /boot) on a separate partition is often > mandated by the BIOS not being able to read all of a large hard > disk. I > have a motherboard from 2008 that has that problem, so it's not > ancient > history, either. Additionally, if you have more than one installation of Ubuntu on the same platter, you really want to share /boot with both installations. Not doing so means two /boot's, while you can address only one of those in the master boot record. As /boot also contains kernels, you end up booting grub from one partition and the kernel from the other partition. Kernel install scripts can't deal with such a situation, you end up sync'ing those two /boots manually after each update of one of the kernels. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: GRUB 2 now default for new installations
Am 11.06.2009 um 10:35 schrieb Felix Miata: > On 2009/06/11 09:20 (GMT+0200) Markus Hitter composed: > >> Additionally, if you have more than one installation of Ubuntu on the >> same platter, you really want to share /boot with both installations. > > That's asking for trouble, unless only one or fewer installations > actually > mount the "/boot" on /boot. Am 11.06.2009 um 14:47 schrieb Derek Broughton: > > Additionally, if you have more than one installation of Ubuntu on the > same platter, you really want to share /boot with both installations. Be assured I wouldn't write that if this wouldn't have solved all the trouble I had with two /boot's before. It works without manual intervention for half a dozen kernel updates now. > Astute multibooters whose other options include a non-Linux OS do > _not_ place > Grub in the MBR. Better to make that the universal default, never > addressing > via MBR, instead leaving the MBR code generic, and using that > generic code > with a primary partition containing a Grub that _no_ installed Linux > automatially configures. My Grub primaries don't get mounted as / > boot by any > Linux installation. I have upwards of 20 multiboot systems, and all > use > generic MBR code. Well, as there is no "generic" MBR, what MBR do you use? The Windows' one? Mac OS X's, *BSD's? > I don't find having multiple /boot partitions to be a problem, but > normally > find one real "/boot" to be sufficient, allowing each of the / > partitions to > provide a home for one set of kernels and one menu.lst that install > scripts > can cope with. To get there, I both partition and install Grub on a > primary > using a live CD boot, _before_ starting _any_ OS installation program. Can't confirm that. Using the Ubuntu Live-Install-CD, an already existing /boot in one of the partitions isn't recognized. Manual voodoo is exactly what I'm trying to avoid. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: GRUB 2 now default for new installations
Am 11.06.2009 um 21:41 schrieb Derek Broughton: > Markus Hitter wrote: >> >> Am 11.06.2009 um 14:47 schrieb Derek Broughton: >> >>> [wrong citation snipped] > > I definitely didn't write that - or if I did, I'm suffering > delusions - > because I believe, and believe I said, the opposite D'oh. Big mistake when editing the citation. Sorry everybody. :-} What I wanted to cite is: >> Am 11.06.2009 um 14:47 schrieb Derek Broughton: > > No, "really" you don't. I've tried that and it causes as many > headaches as > it solves. >> Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Flash, and 32 vs. 64
Am 17.06.2009 um 20:57 schrieb Patrick Goetz: > As far as I can tell, the 64-bit Flash plugin is fairly stable and > works with all the content we could think to try out. The last time I tried to use Adobe's 64-bit player was in Intrepid and it refused to load YouTube videos. Is this solved? For now I'm back to swfdec. I prefer it for the minor, but very convenient feature to load flash after a click on a placeholder, only. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Examining our release cycle: stricter instead of longer?
Am 17.07.2009 um 10:00 schrieb Danny Piccirillo: > [...] I just saw a story on Slashdot about OpenBSD's successful > release process. [...] > > http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/16/2322203/Why-OpenBSDs- > Release-Process-Works > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7pkyDUX5uM While the SlashDot discussion merely shows people shouting without thinking, the video is very interesting. If I understood it correctly, OpenBSD does two things: 1) Keep every (official) development on the main trunk. 2) Swap between "add features, change API" cycles and testing cycles. This appears to have several/surprising advantages: - As there are no release branches, all people test the same food, their own dogfood. - Due to the large base of testers, regressions are exploited pretty quickly, often within minutes. - Accordingly, there's no need to run older releases. - Each fix has to be distributed to one branch only, "backporting" and/or "release engineering" is (almost) obsolete. Now, while OpenBSD might be considered a bit exotic by many, another successful project with a similar model comes to my mind: the non- emulator Wine. To be honest, I don't see the advantage of a strong emphasis on "releases" either, as open source software is always a living thing. Is it a matter of matching company policy checklists? Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: The disgrace of (the) Kompozer (package maintainer)
Am 04.09.2009 um 18:10 schrieb Patrick Goetz: > Now, is it finally appropriate for me to say WTF? Instead of writing hundreds of words to a mailing list, how about filing a needs-packaging bug, how about creating a PPA with this newer version? We're glad you found a non-working package. > Is the package maintainer for this package in a coma? ... if there is a maintainer at all ... More friendly words likely result in a more friendly answer. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Guessing environment variables set origin
Am 11.09.2009 um 16:02 schrieb Yguaratã C. Cavalcanti: > is there any way to guess if a environment variable was set by > system of if > it was defined by the configuration files? Well, where exactly do you draw the line between "system" and "configuration file"? Ubuntu, as installed from scratch, comes with quite a few configuration files and /etc/profile is usually considered as one of them. > I imagined that i could to this by parsing some files such as /etc/ > profile > or ~/profile, for example. However it would require a complete bash > script > parser, i guess. As you can start another shell in a shell, use bash it's self to interpret it's environment: $ bash env Bash does distinguish a few modes it can run in: "login shell", "ksh emulation", etc. See the man page for more. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Guessing environment variables set origin
Am 12.09.2009 um 17:28 schrieb Yguaratã C. Cavalcanti: > I would like to guess when > a variable was defined from a system configuration file, like /etc/ > profile, > or if it was defined by a user configuration file, such as ~/profile. One possible way is to simply remove those user configuration files. Another one is to grep through the existing files, as variables are usually set using their name directly. Third option is to try the various switches available with bash to exclude some of the configuration files. A new/virgin user account might be useful for all the options. > Using this GUI, the user could define its own > variables and the system variables (since it has root access, of > course) Typical GUI users don't even know environment variables exist ... Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
$HOME/.xsessionrc ignored
Hello all, after upgrading to karmic the .xsessionrc configuration file in my user's Home is obviously ignored. It contains a specific gamma value and a few monitor resolutions the display manager doesn't provide by default. As the usual sources of knowledge fail: How would I fix that? Thanks, Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Testing karmic currently impossible?
Is it just me or is testing karmic currently impossible? Here it started with $HOME/.xsession(rc) being ignored, after some wrestling and updates the GUI was gone completely. Then I did a reinstall of alpha5 on a fresh partition. Right after installation the OS worked, but automatic updates reported a lot of trouble, removed packages as essential(?) as "hostnames" or "acpi- support" and now the system won't even boot: the Grub menu contains not a single kernel. It's a pretty generic Dell with a Core 2 Duo, intended to run desktop- amd64. Any idea on how to get back on track? Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Testing karmic currently impossible?
Am 16.09.2009 um 00:52 schrieb Scott Kitterman: > On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:14:52 +0200 Markus Hitter > wrote: >> >> It's a pretty generic Dell with a Core 2 Duo, intended to run >> desktop- >> amd64. Any idea on how to get back on track? >> > Wait until tomorrow and try again. Indeed, after a second reinstall the box is running again. Thanks for the hard work, gentlemen. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Benchmarking Ubuntu
Am 30.09.2009 um 06:09 schrieb Randy Appleton: > Does anyone really have 1000 icons on their desktop? Yes, this can happen. Regarding boot times ... I'm not sure why this is interesting. The best goal would be to make it unneccessary to boot/reboot a machine at all. My $0.02 Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Icons in Place and System
Am 13.10.2009 um 20:19 schrieb George Farris: > Having icons in the main menu looks good and > professional but having them missing from the System menu makes the > system look...well, unfinished. To me it looks unfinished because the space for the icons is kept, even with no icons shown. With Icons off, the menu entries shouls shrink accordingly. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Domain Server
Am 20.10.2009 um 11:26 schrieb Michael Zoet: > I think it is a big mistake to believe server administration is > easy when > you have a GUI. That's mostly true, but in a GUI you have much easier access to HowTos, the web in general, man pages and so on. Additionally, you can assist an admin with Popups, colors and graphs. Menus give a much better overview than an invisible list of options, and so on ... Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Domain Server
Am 22.10.2009 um 10:02 schrieb Christopher Chan: > Mapping system? I guess that means no shared filesystems. SMBFS, sshfs and to some extent NFS support mapping already. It works just fine here and today, mapping volumes of a Mac OS X server onto an Ubuntu box. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
