Re: OpenOffice 3 and Firefox 3.1 in Intrepid?

2008-09-27 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2008/9/5 Chris Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> released on Sept 8 which puts the final release around Oct 20. That
> doesn't leave enough time to make it even marginally stable, since that
> would be only 3 days before the Intrepid release candidate.

Note that there are also dependencies like openoffice.org-voikko which
would need upgrading to a new version too if OOo 3 would be put into
intrepid.

-Timo

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OCaml support on Ubuntu & Proposal to improve it

2008-09-27 Thread David MENTRE
[ Bcc: to Erik and Stefano for information. ]

Hello,

== Current situation ==

I am a user of the OCaml programming language and I switched from Debian
to Ubuntu a few years ago.

While I'm very satisfied by Ubuntu for the desktop, the OCaml support on
Ubuntu is quite flaky. The main reason behind that is that OCaml has
*very* stringent dependencies between its various packages (at both the
core compiler level and at the various libraries and programs level)
that needs careful synchronization. If one makes a batch import of
Debian packages into Ubuntu at a random time, it is pretty sure that it
will break.

Hopefully, there is not that much to do on the Ubuntu side. As Debian
developpers are doing a wonderful job for OCaml support on Debian, one
only needs to supervise careful synchronizations from Debian to Ubuntu.

== Proposal ==

I'm volunteering to help improve the OCaml support on Ubuntu.

I do not plan to become an Ubuntu developer (i.e. make packages for
Ubuntu) but I do plan to:

 1. Follow Debian side development and tell the Ubuntu side when to
synchronize for one or more Debian packages;

 2. Build a kind of status table to have on overview of OCaml packages
under Ubuntu;

 3. Read and learn all that is needed for me to do that job.

On the Ubuntu side, I've already subscribed to ubuntu-devel-discuss and
ubuntu-devel-announce mailing lists.

On the OCaml side, I'm following caml-list.

On the Debian side, I'm following debian-ocaml-maint (Debian OCaml
Maintainers) list.

== To do list and call for help ==

It is probably too late to do anything for Intrepid Ibex, but my aim is
to improve OCaml support for the next Ubuntu release.

Is somebody willing to mentor me in that process?

What specific documentation should I read? (I already looked at the wiki
but the documentation is *huge*)

Is there any other mailing list I should subscribe to?


Many thanks in advance for any help,
Sincerely yours,
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Re: OCaml support on Ubuntu & Proposal to improve it

2008-09-27 Thread James Westby
On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 12:26 +0200, David MENTRE wrote:
> [ Bcc: to Erik and Stefano for information. ]
> 
> Hello,
> 
> == Current situation ==
> 
> I am a user of the OCaml programming language and I switched from Debian
> to Ubuntu a few years ago.
> 
> While I'm very satisfied by Ubuntu for the desktop, the OCaml support on
> Ubuntu is quite flaky. The main reason behind that is that OCaml has
> *very* stringent dependencies between its various packages (at both the
> core compiler level and at the various libraries and programs level)
> that needs careful synchronization. If one makes a batch import of
> Debian packages into Ubuntu at a random time, it is pretty sure that it
> will break.
> 
> Hopefully, there is not that much to do on the Ubuntu side. As Debian
> developpers are doing a wonderful job for OCaml support on Debian, one
> only needs to supervise careful synchronizations from Debian to Ubuntu.
> 
> == Proposal ==
> 
> I'm volunteering to help improve the OCaml support on Ubuntu.

Hi,

That's good to hear.

> I do not plan to become an Ubuntu developer (i.e. make packages for
> Ubuntu) but I do plan to:
> 
>  1. Follow Debian side development and tell the Ubuntu side when to
> synchronize for one or more Debian packages;

That's a good plan. A pair of keywords here will be "sync request". Once
you have identified a set of packages that meet the dependency 
requirements during the development phase of a release you can ask for
that set to be pulled from Debian.

It does require some work to test build all of the packages and check 
that they all install and work as you expect, but you will generally
be able to avoid writing patches etc.

>  2. Build a kind of status table to have on overview of OCaml packages
> under Ubuntu;

That's sounds like a good idea. Being able to track things is important
to knowing where the problems are.

> == To do list and call for help ==
> 
> It is probably too late to do anything for Intrepid Ibex, but my aim is
> to improve OCaml support for the next Ubuntu release.
> 
> Is somebody willing to mentor me in that process?

I would say that asking questions on #ubuntu-motu on IRC, or the 
ubuntu-motu mailing list will get you some help when you get stuck.
There is a formal mentoring scheme, but I'm not sure how well it
would suit you, you may wish to discuss it with the organisers
of that scheme.

> What specific documentation should I read? (I already looked at the wiki
> but the documentation is *huge*)

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess

would be a good place to start I would say.

> Is there any other mailing list I should subscribe to?

I would suggest ubuntu-motu, but it's not vital.

Thanks,

James


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Re: OCaml support on Ubuntu & Proposal to improve it

2008-09-27 Thread David MENTRE
Hello James,

Thank you for the pointers and key words. I'll read that and come back
when I have an clearer idea of things to do.

Sincerely yours,
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Re: OCaml support on Ubuntu & Proposal to improve it

2008-09-27 Thread David MENTRE
Hello Stefano,

Stefano Zacchiroli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> This is a bad idea, rather I'm copying
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], which is _the_ contact place for
> OCaml maintenance in Debian.

Sorry. Thought about it but did not want to bother debian people. I'm
keeping the Cc:.

> Last note, the first needed step IMO is to identify who, Ubuntu side,
> has interest in maintaining OCaml-related stuff. Thus far, each time we
> received a complaint from Ubuntu users we were unable to reply anything
> else than «works in Debian, try using our packages», mainly because we
> have no Ubuntu-specifc knowledge and no Ubuntu contact address for
> OCaml-related problems.

For now, I can try to be the contact point on the Ubuntu side. As I
said, I'm subscribed to debian-ocaml-maint@ so I can follow Ubuntu's
related request there.

Regarding the need of an Ubuntu dedicated developer for OCaml-related
stuff, for now I only plan to request on specific synchronizations. Time
will tell if this is enough or not. If not, we'll see if I can step in
as an Ubuntu developper, judging on my abilities and on the time I can
allocate to this task.

Yours,
d.
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F-spot 0.5.0.1 for Intrepid?

2008-09-27 Thread Evan
The current version of F-spot in Intrepid was released back in May. A new
version was released in the middle of September.

Is there any hope of seeing this in Intrepid? Should I bother filing a
freeze exception request for it?
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Re: F-spot 0.5.0.1 for Intrepid?

2008-09-27 Thread Caroline Ford
2008/9/27 Evan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> The current version of F-spot in Intrepid was released back in May. A new
> version was released in the middle of September.
>
> Is there any hope of seeing this in Intrepid? Should I bother filing a
> freeze exception request for it?

We're in beta freeze. What does the new version gives us? Does it fix
critical bugs (rather than introduce new ones)?

It's never about newest == best at this point in the release cycle.

Caroline

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Re: F-spot 0.5.0.1 for Intrepid?

2008-09-27 Thread Wouter Stomp
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Evan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The current version of F-spot in Intrepid was released back in May. A new
> version was released in the middle of September.
>
> Is there any hope of seeing this in Intrepid? Should I bother filing a
> freeze exception request for it?
>

There is already an open bug report about that:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/f-spot/+bug/271895

Wouter.

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Re: OCaml support on Ubuntu & Proposal to improve it

2008-09-27 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:26:43 +0200 David MENTRE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
 ...
>== To do list and call for help ==
>
>It is probably too late to do anything for Intrepid Ibex, but my aim is
>to improve OCaml support for the next Ubuntu release.
...
While that's true for major changes, if there are updates that would help 
you should feel free to suggest them.

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Re: F-spot 0.5.0.1 for Intrepid?

2008-09-27 Thread Evan
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Caroline Ford <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> It's never about newest == best at this point in the release cycle.
>

Alright. I was just wondering how much justification was necessary to bypass
the freeze, but we definitely don't have enough. It can wait until Jaunty.

Evan
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Landscape-common installed by default in intrepid?

2008-09-27 Thread Wouter Stomp
Hello,

I was wondering why landscape-common is recommended by ubuntu-desktop
in intrepid? It seems only useful to Canonical clients and even then I
guess they also need to install the landscape-client package? It seems
to include one useful command, landscape-sysinfo, but 918kb seems a
lot for the limited info it provides, none of which isn't also
provided by other utilities included in Ubuntu.

Thanks,

Wouter.

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Re: OCaml support on Ubuntu & Proposal to improve it

2008-09-27 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On sab, 2008-09-27 at 08:28 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> 
> While that's true for major changes, if there are updates that would
> help 
> you should feel free to suggest them.

Let's clarify this a bit more: ubuntu has a huge set of ocaml packages,
that makes it appear a wonderful platform for ocaml development.
Unfortunately in ocaml you need to build dependencies in the right
order, because - if I recall this correctly - depending libraries store
an hash coding of the ancestor in the dependency graph, and refuse to
load if this does not match. Thus, we currently have in ubuntu a huge
set of packages that just can't be used, and one tipically resorts to a
local installation of ocaml. This is surely unwanted, thus if David
identifies a set of packages that would work, please accept an exception
to freezes and ship a working set of packages in intrepid. Ocaml is a
great language but currently has a small user base which means few
on-time reports for ubuntu. Perhaps the right thing to do is to invent a
way to build dependencies in order on build servers?

Vincenzo Ciancia



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Re: F-spot 0.5.0.1 for Intrepid?

2008-09-27 Thread Thomas Novin
On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 10:24 -0400, Evan wrote:
> The current version of F-spot in Intrepid was released back in May. A
> new version was released in the middle of September.


There is a PPA with F-spot 0.5.0.1 (currently).

http://www.soccio.it/michelinux/en/


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Re: OCaml support on Ubuntu & Proposal to improve it

2008-09-27 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
Thanks for the initiative.

On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 12:26:43PM +0200, David MENTRE wrote:
> [ Bcc: to Erik and Stefano for information. ]

This is a bad idea, rather I'm copying
[EMAIL PROTECTED], which is _the_ contact place for
OCaml maintenance in Debian. Please keep that Cc. For the sake of
debian-ocaml-maint reader I'm fully quoting David's mail.

In addition to what David said, I want to add that the current Debian
infrastructure for maintaining OCaml-related packages is open to
contributors, of course including Ubuntu people! It would be great to
share our version control system between Debian and Ubuntu. Same goes
for the debian-ocaml-maint mailing list, which we are already
successfully using to coordinate with Fedora people (in the person of
Richard Jones).

Last note, the first needed step IMO is to identify who, Ubuntu side,
has interest in maintaining OCaml-related stuff. Thus far, each time we
received a complaint from Ubuntu users we were unable to reply anything
else than «works in Debian, try using our packages», mainly because we
have no Ubuntu-specifc knowledge and no Ubuntu contact address for
OCaml-related problems.

Cheers.

> Hello,
> 
> == Current situation ==
> 
> I am a user of the OCaml programming language and I switched from Debian
> to Ubuntu a few years ago.
> 
> While I'm very satisfied by Ubuntu for the desktop, the OCaml support on
> Ubuntu is quite flaky. The main reason behind that is that OCaml has
> *very* stringent dependencies between its various packages (at both the
> core compiler level and at the various libraries and programs level)
> that needs careful synchronization. If one makes a batch import of
> Debian packages into Ubuntu at a random time, it is pretty sure that it
> will break.
> 
> Hopefully, there is not that much to do on the Ubuntu side. As Debian
> developpers are doing a wonderful job for OCaml support on Debian, one
> only needs to supervise careful synchronizations from Debian to Ubuntu.
> 
> == Proposal ==
> 
> I'm volunteering to help improve the OCaml support on Ubuntu.
> 
> I do not plan to become an Ubuntu developer (i.e. make packages for
> Ubuntu) but I do plan to:
> 
>  1. Follow Debian side development and tell the Ubuntu side when to
> synchronize for one or more Debian packages;
> 
>  2. Build a kind of status table to have on overview of OCaml packages
> under Ubuntu;
> 
>  3. Read and learn all that is needed for me to do that job.
> 
> On the Ubuntu side, I've already subscribed to ubuntu-devel-discuss and
> ubuntu-devel-announce mailing lists.
> 
> On the OCaml side, I'm following caml-list.
> 
> On the Debian side, I'm following debian-ocaml-maint (Debian OCaml
> Maintainers) list.
> 
> == To do list and call for help ==
> 
> It is probably too late to do anything for Intrepid Ibex, but my aim is
> to improve OCaml support for the next Ubuntu release.
> 
> Is somebody willing to mentor me in that process?
> 
> What specific documentation should I read? (I already looked at the wiki
> but the documentation is *huge*)
> 
> Is there any other mailing list I should subscribe to?
> 
> 
> Many thanks in advance for any help,
> Sincerely yours,
> David Mentré
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2.6.x

2008-09-27 Thread Roland Hughes
Hello,

I'm trying to help the KDE maintainer of Konsole modify and test the VT
support since it hasn't really ever worked and without the keypad
support it is absolutely useless.  The current svn has added the keypad
concept, but to build it I need version 2.6 of cmake.


Can you point me to an official update for amd64 or a source tree I can
build for now?

Thank you,
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Re: OpenOffice 3 and Firefox 3.1 in Intrepid?

2008-09-27 Thread Chris Cheney
On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 11:53 +0300, Timo Jyrinki wrote:
> 2008/9/5 Chris Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > released on Sept 8 which puts the final release around Oct 20. That
> > doesn't leave enough time to make it even marginally stable, since that
> > would be only 3 days before the Intrepid release candidate.
> 
> Note that there are also dependencies like openoffice.org-voikko which
> would need upgrading to a new version too if OOo 3 would be put into
> intrepid.
> 
> -Timo

The OpenOffice.org release has shifted to possibly Oct 7 now, maybe even
later than that as the page has a '?' on it still. That is much too late
to have OpenOffice.org 3.0 be the main version in Intrepid. However, I
have uploaded OpenOffice.org 1:3.0.0~rc2-1ubuntu2 today to the
openoffice-pkgs ppa so that people can use if they would like.

Chris


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Re: python-support: pyversions conflicts with ${python:Depends}

2008-09-27 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:26:16 +0400 Ivan Sagalaev 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hello!
>
>Writing here since this email is a maintainer for python-support. Feel 
>free to redirect my wherever appropriate and accept my apologies in this 
>case!
>
>I'm building a pure-python package with python-support that is intended 
>to be installed on several platforms with different default python 
>versions (namely Ubuntu Hardy and Debian Sarge). The package requires 
>python 2.4 and above so it includes debian/pyversions with "2.4-".

Sarge shipped a very different Python environment.  Your chances of getting 
a Python package to work on both Sarge and Hardy are just about nil.  Sarge 
is no longer supported by Debian and so it's really past time to move to 
Etch in any case.  With releases with reasonably modern pysupport (all 
supported Debian/Ubuntu releases except Ubuntu Dapper) this is achievable 
with a single source package, but you will likely have to (and should in 
any case) build a binary on the target toolchain for each release you want 
to support. 

>The package is built on Hardy. Trying to install this package on Sarge 
>results in apt-get raising an error about "python (>= 2.4) required but 
>python 2.3.5 is going to be installed". My current theory is that 
>because of building this in an environment with python 2.5 as default 
>version the line "Depends: ${python:Depends}" is replaced with "Depends: 
>python" and doesn't work on a platform where "python" means python 2.3. 
>May be this theory is completely broken, I'm not very familiar with 
>python-support and only partly familiar with deb packaging in general.

The problem here is that your package says it needs Python 2.4 and Sarge 
has only 2.3.  This is expected.  If your package works with 2.3, then 
change pyversions (noting again that Sarge is no longer supported by 
Debian).

>So I'm looking for an advice on how to resolve this situation. I see now 
>two ways:
>
>- specify dependencies manually like "python2.4|python2.5"
>- build the package on the lowest (python-wise) platform -- Sarge -- and 
>hope that python-support will do its magic
>
>Or may be something else...
>
Give up on Sarge is my advice.  If you can't, don't use pysupport.  Use 
dh_python and do it that way for Sarge/Dapper.

Scott K

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crash in bluetooth-properties

2008-09-27 Thread Eric Anopolsky
Hi,

I'm getting a crash in an application installed by a package with this
email address listed as the maintainer, so here's my bug report.

Using the bluetooth radio built into my laptop, pairing my mouse happens
without any issues. When I try to pair my keyboard, here's what happens
leading up to bluetooth-properties crashing.

1. I press and hold the reset button on the keyboard as specified in the
directions.
2. I launch bluetooth-properties from the bluetooth panel applet.
3. I ensure the "Mode of operation" is set to "Visible and connectable
for other devices" and the "Make adapter invisible after" slider is set
to "Never".
4. I switch to the Services tab and ensure the input service is running.
5. I click on the input service and then click on the add button.
6. "Microsoft Keyboard" appears in the "Select device" list.
7. I select "Microsoft Keyboard" from the list and click the Connect
button.
8. After a few seconds, I see a "Pairing request for Microsoft Keyboard"
popup. I click the Enter Passkey button.
9. I type in a four digit code on the keyboard, taking care to use the
row of numbers above the letters rather than the numeric keypad, and hit
enter.
10. I type the same four digit code on the keyboard physically
integrated into the laptop.
11. bluetooth-properties crashes

Here is the output when run under gdb from the command line with a
backtrace:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ gdb `which bluetooth-properties`
GNU gdb 6.8-debian
Copyright (C) 2008 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later

This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.  Type "show
copying"
and "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "x86_64-linux-gnu"...
(no debugging symbols found)
(gdb) run
Starting program: /usr/bin/bluetooth-properties 
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
---Type  to continue, or q  to quit---
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
[New Thread 0x7f8c656257a0 (LWP 8276)]
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
process 8276: arguments to dbus_message_new_method_call() were
incorrect, assertion "_dbus_check_is_valid_path (path)" failed in file
dbus-message.c line 1074.
This is normally a bug in some application using the D-Bus library.

** ERROR **: Out of memory
aborting...

Program received signal SIGABRT, Aborted.
[Switching to Thread 0x7f8c656257a0 (LWP 8276)]
0x7f8c6296e095 in raise () from /lib/libc.so.6
(gdb) thread apply all bt

Thread 1 (Thread 0x7f8c656257a0 (LWP 8276)):
#0  0x7f8c6296e095 in raise () from /lib/libc.so.6
#1  0x7f8c6296faf0 in abort () from /lib/libc.so.6
#2  0x7f8c64f810e0 in g_logv () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#3  0x7f8c64f81173 in g_log () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#4  0x7f8c63105825 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libdbus-glib-1.so.2
#5  0x7f8c63105f1d in dbus_g_proxy_call ()
   from /usr/lib/libdbus-glib-1.so.2
#6  0x0040c638 in ?? ()
#7  0x7f8c62ec66da in ?? () from /usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.3
#8  0x7f8c62ec7e51 in dbus_connection_dispatch ()
   from /usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.3
#9  0x7f8c63100855 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libdbus-glib-1.so.2
#10 0x7f8c64f783d4 in g_main_context_dispatch ()
   from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#11 0x7f8c64f7b6e5 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#12 0x7f8c64f7ba05 in g_main_loop_run ()
from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#13 0x7f8c64a3f0a3 in gtk_dialog_run ()
from /usr/lib/libgtk-