[Ubuntu-be] Eventbox Limburg

[Wouter Vandenneucker]

Hey all

it's been a while since I've been active and by the pace this is going,
it's not going to change soon.

I do however still have about half of the Ubuntu Limburg Eventbox laying
around. I'm not sure if there are people still attending events in limburg,
but if so: I'd love to get those boxes out of the way (my dorm is to small
for all of them).

In a couple of months I'm moving out, so I'd like to make sure these boxes
are in a safe spot by that time..

Kind regards


Wouter
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Ubuntu life in Belgium

[Jurgen Gaeremyn]

Yeps, I'm one of those "goodbye and good luck" people.

I was on the camp for a more structured Ubuntu-be for a long time, but 
painfully discovered that we were with too little dedicated people 
and/or too big plans. I am now in the camp of "local groups do great 
things" and "Ubuntu-be" is actually just an empty shell. It creates 
expectations in the public eye that we can not accomplish. imo it would 
be better to have no official (sounding) body as this actually 
negatively impacts Ubuntu. People expect help, support, presence, etc... 
and we can't deliver (as Ubuntu-be). There also is no "spokesman" or 
"central vision" for Ubuntu-be.


So as far as I'm concerned, I'm an enthusiastic Ubuntero. I love 
promoting Ubuntu. I will give support where I can, and every so often 
fail to help because I don't know enough too... I've been triggering 
Software Freedom Day for a  few years now in our hackerspace, and always 
gave Ubuntu a nice spot in there. But that's just me and our 
hackerspace, that's not Ubuntu-be.


The great events going on in Limburg, Izegem, etc... *woot* Great 
groups! They are Ubuntu in Belgium, but not Ubuntu-be :)
My suggestion would be to organize the funeral of Ubuntu-be and invite 
all the great groups doing Ubuntu in Belgium.


Grtz,
Jurgen.


On 01-05-14 07:49, kawabill wrote:
Tom, we're the only two responding this way. It can mean two things, 
we're both on an island, or indeed all other Ubuntu enthusiasts have 
said 'goodbye and good luck'.


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Re: [Ubuntu-be] vzw

[linux-service.be bvba]

I did not found one second hand computer on their webshop.
As I understand it:
They have a full , rather expensive, webshop. With the profits from their 
webshop, they 
finance projects for secondhand computers.
I do not trust it.


Op woensdag 30 april 2014 22:41:10 schreef Johan Bousson:
> 
> http://www.oxfamsol.be/nl/-Computers,109-
> Oxfam also sells secondhandcomputers with Windows.
> They get payable Windows to install, probably a good deal with
> microsoft.
> We sell them where I work : Kringwinkel Ghent (vzw Ateljee)
> Quit some way to go for linux?
> But maybe small growers are the best in the end...
> 
> Johan
> 
> Mike Morraye schreef op wo 30-04-2014 om 11:51 [+0200]:
> > The smell of fresh spam in the morning :)
> > Lijkt me vreemde manier van zaken doen. 
> > Maar zoals daar staat: je kan hen contacteren op hun website :)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > 
> >  Original message 
> > From: "linux-service.be bvba" 
> > Date:30/04/2014 09:18 (GMT+01:00) 
> > To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com 
> > Subject: [Ubuntu-be] vzw 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Somebody knowes this vzw?
> > 
> > http://www.lerarenforum.be/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17804
> > 
> > strange way of doing business.
> > 
> > gd
> > 
> >  
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Ubuntu life in Belgium

[tom verlinden]

I don't know about organizing a funeral just yet. Maybe ubuntu.be could be
a commonplace for those using and or discovering ubuntu but more in a fun
sort of way. Don't know if i'm saying this right, but i think you get the
picture. There doesn't need to be a central person or spokesman imho. Makes
it far too official. The first goal should be, in my humble opinion, to get
people to discover ubuntu. Maybe by promoting this list we could get more
people discovering the os. As far as i'm concerned, i use ubuntu, talk
about it and show it to whoever i think might be interrested, give support
where i can and drop leaflets in our library. (They're also on ubuntu.
Woot!!)
I think that if we do our part any wich way we can, on our little
"islands", and use the net, list as our "glue", who knows what can happen
in the future? Is there still a connection with canonical? How does that
work? Hell, typing this gets me all fired up to give this a chance. What do
you guys think? Give it some kind of try, or just leave, and do something
on our own? (I think we could achieve more together, but i'd like to hear
your opinion). My 2 cents
Op 30 apr. 2014 07:30 schreef "kawabill" :

> What triggered me was a mail I got from someone in the community, stating
> that he rather spent his time otherwise, declining an invitation I had sent
> him. No problem of course, but it took me to the following page;
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings
>
> No activities are visible for me the visitor, going over the pages it
> seems that the latest info dates from 2012. I know activities are still
> going on, organized by enthusiasts on a very local scale, but for me it is
> not visible whether all of this is coordinated.
>
> I find it a pity, that in the period where MS end of lifes XP I don't see
> any coordinated activity to get people over into the Ubuntu/Mint/Linux camp.
>
> Can anyone please comment and give feedback or let me know I'm wrong and I
> seem to live life on a desolate space outside of the Ubuntu community?
>
> Have a nice day.
> Bill
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Ubuntu life in Belgium

[Jurgen Gaeremyn]

Tom,

the strongest periods of Ubuntu-be were when one single person actually 
kept his shoulders under the project. In the past we had a few of these 
people. Thing is: ubuntu-be.org should set clear expectations: what 
(not) to expect: a spokesman, the official stance of Ubuntu on whatever 
Belgian activity, guaranteed support, etc...


If someone stands up and is prepared to take leadership, you will 
quickly have a core team of somewhere between 5 and 10 or even more if 
you do a great job. If you're willing to take up this commitment, you'll 
be doing Ubuntu-be a big favour. Problem is, apparently this mythical 
figure called "somebody" we're all talking about and who'll do all the 
practical stuff like maintain the website, organise event booths, create 
content, etc... isn't on this list anymore. Not sure if he ever was.


Please, do give it a chance. First things first - canonical approval is 
not a problem if you can prove you're active. I'm assuming someone here 
will be able to tell you more details on this.


Grtz,
Jurgen.

On 01-05-14 12:11, tom verlinden wrote:


I don't know about organizing a funeral just yet. Maybe ubuntu.be 
 could be a commonplace for those using and or 
discovering ubuntu but more in a fun sort of way. Don't know if i'm 
saying this right, but i think you get the picture. There doesn't need 
to be a central person or spokesman imho. Makes it far too official. 
The first goal should be, in my humble opinion, to get people to 
discover ubuntu. Maybe by promoting this list we could get more people 
discovering the os. As far as i'm concerned, i use ubuntu, talk about 
it and show it to whoever i think might be interrested, give support 
where i can and drop leaflets in our library. (They're also on ubuntu. 
Woot!!)
I think that if we do our part any wich way we can, on our little 
"islands", and use the net, list as our "glue", who knows what can 
happen in the future? Is there still a connection with canonical? How 
does that work? Hell, typing this gets me all fired up to give this a 
chance. What do you guys think? Give it some kind of try, or just 
leave, and do something on our own? (I think we could achieve more 
together, but i'd like to hear your opinion). My 2 cents


Op 30 apr. 2014 07:30 schreef "kawabill" >:


What triggered me was a mail I got from someone in the community,
stating that he rather spent his time otherwise, declining an
invitation I had sent him. No problem of course, but it took me to
the following page;
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings

No activities are visible for me the visitor, going over the pages
it seems that the latest info dates from 2012. I know activities
are still going on, organized by enthusiasts on a very local
scale, but for me it is not visible whether all of this is
coordinated.

I find it a pity, that in the period where MS end of lifes XP I
don't see any coordinated activity to get people over into the
Ubuntu/Mint/Linux camp.

Can anyone please comment and give feedback or let me know I'm
wrong and I seem to live life on a desolate space outside of the
Ubuntu community?

Have a nice day.
Bill

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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Ubuntu life in Belgium

[tom verlinden]

Thanks for your info on this. I've always thought that this certain
"somebody" should comprise out of more than one person. One person can't
take this on his or her shoulders. There's too much, from what i'm reading,
for one person to do and be succesfull about it. There should be a team of
somebodies, all doing somewhat the same, but in different locations. (Does
that make sense?) Is there a need for a central organ? To me that makes it
too complicated already, and might create expectations, that cannot be
fullfilled. Anyway, there's need, i guess to promote ubuntu, as Bill said.
Now we have to figure out how to do this in a fun way, i guess.
Op 1 mei 2014 12:27 schreef "Jurgen Gaeremyn" :

>  Tom,
>
> the strongest periods of Ubuntu-be were when one single person actually
> kept his shoulders under the project. In the past we had a few of these
> people. Thing is: ubuntu-be.org should set clear expectations: what (not)
> to expect: a spokesman, the official stance of Ubuntu on whatever Belgian
> activity, guaranteed support, etc...
>
> If someone stands up and is prepared to take leadership, you will quickly
> have a core team of somewhere between 5 and 10 or even more if you do a
> great job. If you're willing to take up this commitment, you'll be doing
> Ubuntu-be a big favour. Problem is, apparently this mythical figure called
> "somebody" we're all talking about and who'll do all the practical stuff
> like maintain the website, organise event booths, create content, etc...
> isn't on this list anymore. Not sure if he ever was.
>
> Please, do give it a chance. First things first - canonical approval is
> not a problem if you can prove you're active. I'm assuming someone here
> will be able to tell you more details on this.
>
> Grtz,
> Jurgen.
>
> On 01-05-14 12:11, tom verlinden wrote:
>
> I don't know about organizing a funeral just yet. Maybe ubuntu.be could
> be a commonplace for those using and or discovering ubuntu but more in a
> fun sort of way. Don't know if i'm saying this right, but i think you get
> the picture. There doesn't need to be a central person or spokesman imho.
> Makes it far too official. The first goal should be, in my humble opinion,
> to get people to discover ubuntu. Maybe by promoting this list we could get
> more people discovering the os. As far as i'm concerned, i use ubuntu, talk
> about it and show it to whoever i think might be interrested, give support
> where i can and drop leaflets in our library. (They're also on ubuntu.
> Woot!!)
> I think that if we do our part any wich way we can, on our little
> "islands", and use the net, list as our "glue", who knows what can happen
> in the future? Is there still a connection with canonical? How does that
> work? Hell, typing this gets me all fired up to give this a chance. What do
> you guys think? Give it some kind of try, or just leave, and do something
> on our own? (I think we could achieve more together, but i'd like to hear
> your opinion). My 2 cents
> Op 30 apr. 2014 07:30 schreef "kawabill" :
>
>> What triggered me was a mail I got from someone in the community, stating
>> that he rather spent his time otherwise, declining an invitation I had sent
>> him. No problem of course, but it took me to the following page;
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings
>>
>> No activities are visible for me the visitor, going over the pages it
>> seems that the latest info dates from 2012. I know activities are still
>> going on, organized by enthusiasts on a very local scale, but for me it is
>> not visible whether all of this is coordinated.
>>
>> I find it a pity, that in the period where MS end of lifes XP I don't see
>> any coordinated activity to get people over into the Ubuntu/Mint/Linux camp.
>>
>> Can anyone please comment and give feedback or let me know I'm wrong and
>> I seem to live life on a desolate space outside of the Ubuntu community?
>>
>> Have a nice day.
>> Bill
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Ubuntu life in Belgium

[Jurgen Gaeremyn]

Hey Tom,

go ahead - organise it. :)
I failed. Better luck to you. I'll be glad to do my part.

Grtz,
Jurgen.

On 01-05-14 12:39, tom verlinden wrote:


Thanks for your info on this. I've always thought that this certain 
"somebody" should comprise out of more than one person. One person 
can't take this on his or her shoulders. There's too much, from what 
i'm reading, for one person to do and be succesfull about it. There 
should be a team of somebodies, all doing somewhat the same, but in 
different locations. (Does that make sense?) Is there a need for a 
central organ? To me that makes it too complicated already, and might 
create expectations, that cannot be fullfilled. Anyway, there's need, 
i guess to promote ubuntu, as Bill said. Now we have to figure out how 
to do this in a fun way, i guess.


Op 1 mei 2014 12:27 schreef "Jurgen Gaeremyn" 
mailto:jurgen.gaere...@pandora.be>>:


Tom,

the strongest periods of Ubuntu-be were when one single person
actually kept his shoulders under the project. In the past we had
a few of these people. Thing is: ubuntu-be.org
 should set clear expectations: what (not)
to expect: a spokesman, the official stance of Ubuntu on whatever
Belgian activity, guaranteed support, etc...

If someone stands up and is prepared to take leadership, you will
quickly have a core team of somewhere between 5 and 10 or even
more if you do a great job. If you're willing to take up this
commitment, you'll be doing Ubuntu-be a big favour. Problem is,
apparently this mythical figure called "somebody" we're all
talking about and who'll do all the practical stuff like maintain
the website, organise event booths, create content, etc... isn't
on this list anymore. Not sure if he ever was.

Please, do give it a chance. First things first - canonical
approval is not a problem if you can prove you're active. I'm
assuming someone here will be able to tell you more details on this.

Grtz,
Jurgen.

On 01-05-14 12:11, tom verlinden wrote:


I don't know about organizing a funeral just yet. Maybe ubuntu.be
 could be a commonplace for those using and or
discovering ubuntu but more in a fun sort of way. Don't know if
i'm saying this right, but i think you get the picture. There
doesn't need to be a central person or spokesman imho. Makes it
far too official. The first goal should be, in my humble opinion,
to get people to discover ubuntu. Maybe by promoting this list we
could get more people discovering the os. As far as i'm
concerned, i use ubuntu, talk about it and show it to whoever i
think might be interrested, give support where i can and drop
leaflets in our library. (They're also on ubuntu. Woot!!)
I think that if we do our part any wich way we can, on our little
"islands", and use the net, list as our "glue", who knows what
can happen in the future? Is there still a connection with
canonical? How does that work? Hell, typing this gets me all
fired up to give this a chance. What do you guys think? Give it
some kind of try, or just leave, and do something on our own? (I
think we could achieve more together, but i'd like to hear your
opinion). My 2 cents

Op 30 apr. 2014 07:30 schreef "kawabill" mailto:kawab...@telenet.be>>:

What triggered me was a mail I got from someone in the
community, stating that he rather spent his time otherwise,
declining an invitation I had sent him. No problem of course,
but it took me to the following page;
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings

No activities are visible for me the visitor, going over the
pages it seems that the latest info dates from 2012. I know
activities are still going on, organized by enthusiasts on a
very local scale, but for me it is not visible whether all of
this is coordinated.

I find it a pity, that in the period where MS end of lifes XP
I don't see any coordinated activity to get people over into
the Ubuntu/Mint/Linux camp.

Can anyone please comment and give feedback or let me know
I'm wrong and I seem to live life on a desolate space outside
of the Ubuntu community?

Have a nice day.
Bill



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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Ubuntu life in Belgium

[tom verlinden]

Jurgen,
Thx for your support.
I'd like to hear from Bill too, and learn about his vision. We'll see where
we will end up. (Hopefully somewhere nice. ;-)
Bill, the floor is yours
Op 1 mei 2014 13:04 schreef "Jurgen Gaeremyn" :

>  Hey Tom,
>
> go ahead - organise it. :)
> I failed. Better luck to you. I'll be glad to do my part.
>
> Grtz,
> Jurgen.
>
> On 01-05-14 12:39, tom verlinden wrote:
>
> Thanks for your info on this. I've always thought that this certain
> "somebody" should comprise out of more than one person. One person can't
> take this on his or her shoulders. There's too much, from what i'm reading,
> for one person to do and be succesfull about it. There should be a team of
> somebodies, all doing somewhat the same, but in different locations. (Does
> that make sense?) Is there a need for a central organ? To me that makes it
> too complicated already, and might create expectations, that cannot be
> fullfilled. Anyway, there's need, i guess to promote ubuntu, as Bill said.
> Now we have to figure out how to do this in a fun way, i guess.
> Op 1 mei 2014 12:27 schreef "Jurgen Gaeremyn"  >:
>
>>  Tom,
>>
>> the strongest periods of Ubuntu-be were when one single person actually
>> kept his shoulders under the project. In the past we had a few of these
>> people. Thing is: ubuntu-be.org should set clear expectations: what
>> (not) to expect: a spokesman, the official stance of Ubuntu on whatever
>> Belgian activity, guaranteed support, etc...
>>
>> If someone stands up and is prepared to take leadership, you will quickly
>> have a core team of somewhere between 5 and 10 or even more if you do a
>> great job. If you're willing to take up this commitment, you'll be doing
>> Ubuntu-be a big favour. Problem is, apparently this mythical figure called
>> "somebody" we're all talking about and who'll do all the practical stuff
>> like maintain the website, organise event booths, create content, etc...
>> isn't on this list anymore. Not sure if he ever was.
>>
>> Please, do give it a chance. First things first - canonical approval is
>> not a problem if you can prove you're active. I'm assuming someone here
>> will be able to tell you more details on this.
>>
>> Grtz,
>> Jurgen.
>>
>> On 01-05-14 12:11, tom verlinden wrote:
>>
>> I don't know about organizing a funeral just yet. Maybe ubuntu.be could
>> be a commonplace for those using and or discovering ubuntu but more in a
>> fun sort of way. Don't know if i'm saying this right, but i think you get
>> the picture. There doesn't need to be a central person or spokesman imho.
>> Makes it far too official. The first goal should be, in my humble opinion,
>> to get people to discover ubuntu. Maybe by promoting this list we could get
>> more people discovering the os. As far as i'm concerned, i use ubuntu, talk
>> about it and show it to whoever i think might be interrested, give support
>> where i can and drop leaflets in our library. (They're also on ubuntu.
>> Woot!!)
>> I think that if we do our part any wich way we can, on our little
>> "islands", and use the net, list as our "glue", who knows what can happen
>> in the future? Is there still a connection with canonical? How does that
>> work? Hell, typing this gets me all fired up to give this a chance. What do
>> you guys think? Give it some kind of try, or just leave, and do something
>> on our own? (I think we could achieve more together, but i'd like to hear
>> your opinion). My 2 cents
>> Op 30 apr. 2014 07:30 schreef "kawabill" :
>>
>>> What triggered me was a mail I got from someone in the community,
>>> stating that he rather spent his time otherwise, declining an invitation I
>>> had sent him. No problem of course, but it took me to the following page;
>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings
>>>
>>> No activities are visible for me the visitor, going over the pages it
>>> seems that the latest info dates from 2012. I know activities are still
>>> going on, organized by enthusiasts on a very local scale, but for me it is
>>> not visible whether all of this is coordinated.
>>>
>>> I find it a pity, that in the period where MS end of lifes XP I don't
>>> see any coordinated activity to get people over into the Ubuntu/Mint/Linux
>>> camp.
>>>
>>> Can anyone please comment and give feedback or let me know I'm wrong and
>>> I seem to live life on a desolate space outside of the Ubuntu community?
>>>
>>> Have a nice day.
>>> Bill
>>>
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Ubuntu life in Belgium

[Michel Daggelinckx]

veel leven is er inderdaad nimmeer

Michel
op 05/01/2014 07:49 AM, kawabill schreef:
Tom, we're the only two responding this way. It can mean two things, 
we're both on an island, or indeed all other Ubuntu enthusiasts have 
said 'goodbye and good luck'.


/*Ubuntu*//(/// u? 
? 
b 
? 
n 
t 
u? 
/ 
oo-*BUUN*-too 
//; 
//Zulu /Xhosa 
 pronunciation: 
//[ù?únt?ú] //) is a //Nguni 
Bantu 
//term (literally, 
"human-ness") roughly translating to "human roughness." It is an idea 
from the //Southern African 
//region which means 
literally "human-ness," and is often translated as "humanity towards 
others," but is often used in a more philosophical sense to mean "the 
belief in a universal bond of sharing that connects all 
humanity".///


The universal bond inour case is indeed the Ubuntu software (or Linux 
if you like), that's what should bind us.


As we type, we are losing more and more momentum with regards to XP's 
end of life. Locally I help people setup their computer to Ubuntu or 
Mint, and the ones using give very positive feedback. This is 
something we could coordinate from the Loco-team, we could take 
initiative and pro-actively find people higher up in governmental 
ranks to make them more aware. It would be even better if we  link 
with Canonical to take this approach. Us on the local level, if not 
already done, can put folders/leaflets out at library and community 
hall, informing thus more people that they can find help outside to 
keep their old pc alive and kicking and give a second life. How green 
can one be? No new pc, and install an OS that uses less energy.


Train people, mainly younger people, in the meantime I think there is 
quite a bit of training material available. Let's actively visit 
schools, I have had very small successes visiting smaller schools and 
making them aware how well an Ubuntu netbook works when playing with 
Arduino or Raspberry pi.


Regular local gatherings, where people not in the core teams can visit 
and get help when needed. The other day, the team in Houthalen showed 
and explained about the different desktop options. Also explained why 
there are so many, not to make it difficult, but to have choice and 
once chosen have the freedom to change when a 'better' one comes to 
market.


Bottom line; how can the Ubuntu community become more visible as 
community?


Any suggestions thoughts anyone else?

Best regards,
Bill


On 30-04-14 09:45, tom verlinden wrote:

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Hey Bill,

that's exactly what i'm thinking for quit some time now.
It seems to me that there are people who are willing (me, for
instance), but that there are other constraints at play.
Work, family, reduced interrest, other...holding people back.

I follow this mailinglist for quite some time now, and i must say,
it's very quiet around here these days.

So i guess it's like you said, there's things going on, but on a local
scale.

What do you suggest to get the word out? (maybe on a larger scale,
providing we find enough people?)

Kind regards,

Tom.

kawabill schreef op 30/04/2014 7:30:

What triggered me was a mail I got from someone in the community,
stating that he rather spent his time otherwise, declining an
invitation I had sent him. No problem of course, but it took me to
the following page;
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings

No activities are visible for me the visitor, going over the pages
it seems that the latest info dates from 2012. I know activities
are still going on, organized by enthusiasts on a very local scale,
but for me it is not visible whether all of this is coordinated.

I find it a pity, that in the period where MS end of lifes XP I
don't see any coordinated activity to get people over into the
Ubuntu/Mint/Linux camp.

Can anyone please comment and give feedback or let me know I'm
wrong and I seem to live life on a desolate space outside of the
Ubuntu community?

Have a nice day. Bill


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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Ubuntu life in Belgium

[Alain Baudrez]

Sinds het wegvallen van de diprobeurs hier in Brugge heb ik zelf geen
contact meer met andere Ubunteros in het Brugse.

Vraag is, of een IRL samenkomst nog veel mensen aanspreekt of dat ze liever
alles online doen. In dat laatste geval zou er iets moeten gedaan worden om
onze website wat attractiever te maken, want ik moet eerlijk toegeven dat
wanneer ik bij iemand Ubuntu installeer ik het Nederlandse ubuntu forum als
'place to ask questions' aanraad en nooit onze website, daar die voor leken
niet veel hulp biedt.

Ook zou eens gekeken moeten worden naar de kaart met steunpunten want ik
vermoed dat er ook daar, net zoals hier, vele 'ghost'-accounts zijn.

Alain
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Ubuntu life in Belgium

[Merlijn Sebrechts]

# My thoughts

I have never known the "better" times, since I joined this mailinglist only
a few months ago. I do see reports from other loco teams around the world
and they seem to be way more active than us. I personally find it very sad
that* there isn't an ubuntu-be booth on fosdem*. I think next year, I'm
going to try to make one, but I'll need the help of more ubuntu-be members.
I think we need IRL meetings, because they make friendships stronger, and
they make you feel more connected to the community.


# THE WEBSITE

To me, the site only serves *two purposes:*
 - Give *information* about ubuntu-be community: meetings, members, events,
..
 - Give *support in dutch*

I think for the support part, it is better we team up with the ubuntu-nl
people. Their forum seems to be very active: http://forum.ubuntu-nl.org/.
For the information part, we just need a very simple CMS that is easy to
maintain.* I want to work on the new website myself*, but then I have to
know how you guys want it to be.


# MY QUESTIONS TO YOU

1) Do you want to help set up a booth at fosdem 2015?
2) Do you still use the website? If so, how?
3) What information would you want to see on the new website?


Op 1 mei 2014 15:25 schreef Alain Baudrez :

>
> Sinds het wegvallen van de diprobeurs hier in Brugge heb ik zelf geen
> contact meer met andere Ubunteros in het Brugse.
>
> Vraag is, of een IRL samenkomst nog veel mensen aanspreekt of dat ze
> liever alles online doen. In dat laatste geval zou er iets moeten gedaan
> worden om onze website wat attractiever te maken, want ik moet eerlijk
> toegeven dat wanneer ik bij iemand Ubuntu installeer ik het Nederlandse
> ubuntu forum als 'place to ask questions' aanraad en nooit onze website,
> daar die voor leken niet veel hulp biedt.
>
> Ook zou eens gekeken moeten worden naar de kaart met steunpunten want ik
> vermoed dat er ook daar, net zoals hier, vele 'ghost'-accounts zijn.
>
> Alain
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Ubuntu life in Belgium

[Jurgen Gaeremyn]

Hey Merlijn... I'll be replying in your mail...

On 01-05-14 16:57, Merlijn Sebrechts wrote:

# My thoughts

I have never known the "better" times, since I joined this mailinglist 
only a few months ago. I do see reports from other loco teams around 
the world and they seem to be way more active than us. I personally 
find it very sad that*there isn't an ubuntu-be booth on fosdem*. I 
think next year, I'm going to try to make one, but I'll need the help 
of more ubuntu-be members. I think we need IRL meetings, because they 
make friendships stronger, and they make you feel more connected to 
the community.


2014 was the first year there was no Ubuntu-be booth on FOSDEM. The 
material is available. I also think there even is some budget (Jan 
Bongaerts, can you confirm?) We even invested in some rollups a few 
years ago because we thought we were be more active. There was a 
question on this mailinglist for volunteers - Sulumar actually asked 
about this on January 24th. He asked if there were volunteers.


JanC replied he announced not to be doing it anymore in 2013. That 
mythical figure called "someone" had to take it over. Didn't happen. A 
consequence of nobody taking up leadership, guarding that things happened.


Meetings IRL are great - it sparked a lot of energy in 2010-2012. But in 
the end the volunteers wanting to dive into Ubuntu-be were the same 
volunteers that were already involved in many projects. It's not easy to 
have IRL meetings if your members are scattered over the whole country 
and your key members all have busy agendas.


But then again... good luck, if the time is right you could just spark a 
new animo. Would be great. :)


# THE WEBSITE

To me, the site only serves *two purposes:*
 - Give *information* about ubuntu-be community: meetings, members, 
events, ..

 - Give *support in dutch*
Actually the only purpose of the Ubuntu-be site, was to facilitate the 
events we organise or visit. For support, we always refered to Ubuntu-NL 
or Ubuntu-FR (or others)


The fact that big chunks of the site aren't translated, is because no 
volunteers were found to translate.


Again... this creature called "someone" had lots of plans here...

I think for the support part, it is better we team up with the 
ubuntu-nl people. Their forum seems to be very active: 
http://forum.ubuntu-nl.org/.
For the information part, we just need a very simple CMS that is easy 
to maintain.*I want to work on the new website myself*, but then I 
have to know how you guys want it to be.

"you guys" = undefined.

The current website is running Drupal. It's working and is pretty easy 
to maintain. Content is key here: nobody delivered content, resulting in 
a static site.


If you do it, you make it. I'd say: make it small, make it modest. Not 
much more than referral would be cool.


As for the Ubuntu-be support map: half a decade ago Mongolito wrote this 
great Drupal extension. But he lives in Canada now, and doesn't have 
time anymore to commit to this project.



# MY QUESTIONS TO YOU

1) Do you want to help set up a booth at fosdem 2015?


Since this year, I stepped into the FOSDEM volunteers team. I can split 
my time, but still want to see some content too...



2) Do you still use the website? If so, how?

Nope.


3) What information would you want to see on the new website?

N/A
I rather have *no* website than a website showing we're not active.



Op 1 mei 2014 15:25 schreef Alain Baudrez >:



Sinds het wegvallen van de diprobeurs hier in Brugge heb ik zelf
geen contact meer met andere Ubunteros in het Brugse.

Vraag is, of een IRL samenkomst nog veel mensen aanspreekt of dat
ze liever alles online doen. In dat laatste geval zou er iets
moeten gedaan worden om onze website wat attractiever te maken,
want ik moet eerlijk toegeven dat wanneer ik bij iemand Ubuntu
installeer ik het Nederlandse ubuntu forum als 'place to ask
questions' aanraad en nooit onze website, daar die voor leken niet
veel hulp biedt.

Ook zou eens gekeken moeten worden naar de kaart met steunpunten
want ik vermoed dat er ook daar, net zoals hier, vele
'ghost'-accounts zijn.

Alain

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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Ubuntu life in Belgium

[Jan Bongaerts]

Hi Guys,
indeed there should be a budget somewhere, but I have no idea.
Mark Vandenborre still is the only one that can access the account.

Indeed we tried to have a few IRL meetings, and it was all good, but I have
lost the energy to try and organise it.
I don't have the skills or expertise to maintain a site, and I think
maintaining a good site is key to the success of the project.

So these are my two main frustrations
a) Active members cannot access the account, so we can't do anything when
money is needed.
b) No-one is maintaining the site actively. We can't advertise who is
actively involved, who to contact for what, etc. I'm supposed to be the
LoCo contact, but how can I actively promote our group if the site doesn't
reflect this? How can I actively lobby with press or government if I don't
get a budget?

Most of the people that were at the IRL meetings, are not active anymore,
and most of the people that are active now, were never at an IRL meeting.

If that magical someone would organise another IRL meeting, then I will do
my best to attend.

Cheers,
Jan.



On 1 May 2014 17:26, Jurgen Gaeremyn  wrote:

>  Hey Merlijn... I'll be replying in your mail...
>
>
> On 01-05-14 16:57, Merlijn Sebrechts wrote:
>
> # My thoughts
>
> I have never known the "better" times, since I joined this mailinglist
> only a few months ago. I do see reports from other loco teams around the
> world and they seem to be way more active than us. I personally find it
> very sad that* there isn't an ubuntu-be booth on fosdem*. I think next
> year, I'm going to try to make one, but I'll need the help of more
> ubuntu-be members. I think we need IRL meetings, because they make
> friendships stronger, and they make you feel more connected to the
> community.
>
>
> 2014 was the first year there was no Ubuntu-be booth on FOSDEM. The
> material is available. I also think there even is some budget (Jan
> Bongaerts, can you confirm?) We even invested in some rollups a few years
> ago because we thought we were be more active. There was a question on this
> mailinglist for volunteers - Sulumar actually asked about this on January
> 24th. He asked if there were volunteers.
>
> JanC replied he announced not to be doing it anymore in 2013. That
> mythical figure called "someone" had to take it over. Didn't happen. A
> consequence of nobody taking up leadership, guarding that things happened.
>
> Meetings IRL are great - it sparked a lot of energy in 2010-2012. But in
> the end the volunteers wanting to dive into Ubuntu-be were the same
> volunteers that were already involved in many projects. It's not easy to
> have IRL meetings if your members are scattered over the whole country and
> your key members all have busy agendas.
>
> But then again... good luck, if the time is right you could just spark a
> new animo. Would be great. :)
>
>
>  # THE WEBSITE
>
>  To me, the site only serves *two purposes:*
>   - Give *information* about ubuntu-be community: meetings, members,
> events, ..
>   - Give *support in dutch*
>
> Actually the only purpose of the Ubuntu-be site, was to facilitate the
> events we organise or visit. For support, we always refered to Ubuntu-NL or
> Ubuntu-FR (or others)
>
> The fact that big chunks of the site aren't translated, is because no
> volunteers were found to translate.
>
> Again... this creature called "someone" had lots of plans here...
>
>
>   I think for the support part, it is better we team up with the
> ubuntu-nl people. Their forum seems to be very active:
> http://forum.ubuntu-nl.org/.
>  For the information part, we just need a very simple CMS that is easy to
> maintain.* I want to work on the new website myself*, but then I have to
> know how you guys want it to be.
>
> "you guys" = undefined.
>
> The current website is running Drupal. It's working and is pretty easy to
> maintain. Content is key here: nobody delivered content, resulting in a
> static site.
>
> If you do it, you make it. I'd say: make it small, make it modest. Not
> much more than referral would be cool.
>
> As for the Ubuntu-be support map: half a decade ago Mongolito wrote this
> great Drupal extension. But he lives in Canada now, and doesn't have time
> anymore to commit to this project.
>
>
>
>  # MY QUESTIONS TO YOU
>
>  1) Do you want to help set up a booth at fosdem 2015?
>
>
> Since this year, I stepped into the FOSDEM volunteers team. I can split my
> time, but still want to see some content too...
>
>
>   2) Do you still use the website? If so, how?
>
> Nope.
>
>
>   3) What information would you want to see on the new website?
>
> N/A
> I rather have *no* website than a website showing we're not active.
>
>
>
> Op 1 mei 2014 15:25 schreef Alain Baudrez :
>
>>
>> Sinds het wegvallen van de diprobeurs hier in Brugge heb ik zelf geen
>> contact meer met andere Ubunteros in het Brugse.
>>
>> Vraag is, of een IRL samenkomst nog veel mensen aanspreekt of dat ze
>> liever alles online doen. In dat laatste geval zou er iets moete

Re: [Ubuntu-be] Ubuntu life in Belgium

[tom verlinden]

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> # MY *ANSWERS* TO YOU
> 
> 1) Do you want to help set up a booth at fosdem 2015?
>> I'd like to be a part of that, since i've never done that 
>> before.
(Always on the lookout for new experiences)

Since this year, I stepped into the FOSDEM volunteers team. I can
split my time, but still want to see some content too...

> 2) Do you still use the website? If so, how?
>> Information. But as you say, it's quite outdated and needs some 
>> work.

> 3) What information would you want to see on the new website?
>> Activities that are planned, other relevant information.

I rather have *no* website than a website showing we're not active.
>> Same here.

While IRL meetings are fun and can do a lot for the people attending,
there's the geographical problem. (or so i think)
Myself i'm from Boom. (Rupelstreek, onder Antwerpen).
I have no knowledge about other peoples whereabouts.
But let's say, for the sake of argument, that we're scattered all over
Belgium. That would make it somewhat difficult to organise regular IRL
meetings. (How did you do this in the past?)

Witch brings me to the next question; where do you all live? Maybe we
should get that listed first?

@Jan, can we contact Mark Vandenborre? Seems strange to me that he's
the only one with acces to the account. (how did that happen?)
Maybe it's time to take things over?
Maybe if others can acces the site, this would be a nice start?
(Just throwing *** at the wall, seeing what sticks...)


Jurgen Gaeremyn schreef op 1/05/2014 17:26:
>> # MY QUESTIONS TO YOU
>> 
>> 1) Do you want to help set up a booth at fosdem 2015?
> 
> Since this year, I stepped into the FOSDEM volunteers team. I can 
> split my time, but still want to see some content too...
> 
>> 2) Do you still use the website? If so, how?
> Nope.
> 
>> 3) What information would you want to see on the new website?
> N/A I rather have *no* website than a website showing we're not 
> active.

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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Ubuntu life in Belgium

[Jurgen Gaeremyn]

Hi Jan,

come to think of it... maybe the easiest would be to just create a *new* 
bank account, and start with that one... I think we can get some 
donations quickly. If Marc then transfers the existing funds to the new 
account, it might just be easier than doing the transfer.
If we do this all through Keytrade bank (our current bank), I assume 
they won't be giving us a hassle over closing down the empty bank 
account. Otherwise leave €5 on it and that will be our 'hidden treasure' :)


As for the website... I have the impression that we have some people 
stepping up at the moment. Who can give these persons author rights? 
(and in extremis 1 person webmaster rights)


Grtz,
Jurgen.

On 01-05-14 18:26, Jan Bongaerts wrote:

Hi Guys,
indeed there should be a budget somewhere, but I have no idea.
Mark Vandenborre still is the only one that can access the account.

Indeed we tried to have a few IRL meetings, and it was all good, but I 
have lost the energy to try and organise it.
I don't have the skills or expertise to maintain a site, and I think 
maintaining a good site is key to the success of the project.


So these are my two main frustrations
a) Active members cannot access the account, so we can't do anything 
when money is needed.
b) No-one is maintaining the site actively. We can't advertise who is 
actively involved, who to contact for what, etc. I'm supposed to be 
the LoCo contact, but how can I actively promote our group if the site 
doesn't reflect this? How can I actively lobby with press or 
government if I don't get a budget?


Most of the people that were at the IRL meetings, are not active 
anymore, and most of the people that are active now, were never at an 
IRL meeting.


If that magical someone would organise another IRL meeting, then I 
will do my best to attend.


Cheers,
Jan.


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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Ubuntu life in Belgium

[Frank Neirynck]

Ik vermoed dat er in Brugge wel meer zou moeten kunnen dan er nu
gebeurt. Onlangs nog bij een 10-tal mensen Ubuntu geïnstalleerd, dus
alles kan en ondanks het feit dat ik hier zeker niet in de top 10 (zelfs
niet in de top 100) van de posters zit en verre van een Ubuntu techie
ben, wil ik eventueel wel mijn steentje bijdragen.

rank

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Van: Alain Baudrez 
Reply-to: Ubuntu Belgium 
Aan: Ubuntu Belgium 
Onderwerp: Re: [Ubuntu-be] Ubuntu life in Belgium
Datum: Thu, 1 May 2014 15:25:45 +0200


Sinds het wegvallen van de diprobeurs hier in Brugge heb ik zelf geen
contact meer met andere Ubunteros in het Brugse. 

Vraag is, of een IRL samenkomst nog veel mensen aanspreekt of dat ze
liever alles online doen. In dat laatste geval zou er iets moeten gedaan
worden om onze website wat attractiever te maken, want ik moet eerlijk
toegeven dat wanneer ik bij iemand Ubuntu installeer ik het Nederlandse
ubuntu forum als 'place to ask questions' aanraad en nooit onze website,
daar die voor leken niet veel hulp biedt.


Ook zou eens gekeken moeten worden naar de kaart met steunpunten want ik
vermoed dat er ook daar, net zoals hier, vele 'ghost'-accounts zijn.


Alain





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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Ubuntu life in Belgium

[kawabill]

Hey I'm not alone on the island! :)

Tom, you're right I think and I agree. It is not somebody we need, it is 
us. Also Juergen's proposal for having Ubuntu-be.org and setting clear 
expectations I agree with, this way we can prevent disappointment from 
and by others. Carrying Ubuntu-be to the funeral I would think is just a 
bit too early. From the reactions, at least 5-10 people are actively 
involved and able to help.


Using IRC is maybe just a little too much written words and I've got no 
clue how to get it to work reliably, I think we need to get together or 
at least get visual. For getting together there is the hacker space, the 
facilities in Houthalen an hack - even an old school room in Bree. Is 
there an open source alternative to Skype, allowing for a virtual 
meeting maybe (I saw Apache's Open Meeting)? Or what if we organise a 
chat/video conference from the 'local' events; Houthalen in Limburg, 
Hackerspace, Brugge - can we organize it maybe in such a way that it's 
all in sync; ie. every last Wednesday of the month (convenient for 
LImburg, as this is the gathering date already)?



1) Do you want to help set up a booth at fosdem 2015? YES, if we can 
plan ahead I would think we can get the right and motivated people 
involved including this chap
2) Do you still use the website? If so, how? YES, but let's indeed make 
it such that people see activity - starting with filling the agenda 
showing the local activities for example
3) What information would you want to see on the new website? Haven't 
really given it a thought, but one thing for sure I would like to see 
and that is UP TO DATE information


Let's keep the ideas coming, I think getting around the bank account 
quickly is indeed opening a new one, and make it one that we can access 
and at least have some kind of redundancy. This as not to get stuck again.


I have to read and negotiate contracts all day, it would really be good 
if we could talk to each other, preferably face to face. This way we 
iterate in seconds rather than weeks.


Finally; let's get the link into Canonical established and strengthened. 
I work for a large company and quite a large bunch is starting to use 
Ubuntu also on the desktop. Ubuntu Phone is a great idea and has huge 
potential, especially for cost savings. I checked how I could get our 
purchasing in contact easily, but believe me, Canonical is not going to 
sell the idea if they stick to how they have approached this up to now. 
I would think, certainly in Europe, they have a  wide enough network of 
enthusiasts and could easily bundle the network to get aggressive into 
offering savings to large and medium size companies. As far as I'm 
concerned I use the software that they have ubuntu-ed, it is this 
creation that binds us - the reason why I spend my time locally to help 
people is for ubuntu, and also as a kind of payback to Canonical because 
they have created a magnificent piece of software. Not only them, but 
they are for me one of the main forces behind humanizing Linux! Credit 
to Mark Shuttleworth for all that. Taking Ubuntu-be to the graveyard 
doesn't seem the best way to help and show a kind of gratitude.


Too many words written already, and hail to he/she who came to this 
point. How to go forward? Let's use 8D methodology and get this going.

1) Plan - revive Ubuntu-be and prevent it from going quiet again
2) The core-team members proposed, let me know who disagrees or cannot 
pick up;

a) kawabill
b) nero
c) Frank Neirynck
d) Tom Verlinden
e) Jan Bongaerts
f) Merlijn Sebrechts
g) Alain Daudrez
3) The problem; Ubuntu-be is dying
4) Temporary fix;
aa) website is not upto date (whom can take action and when?)
bb) bank account needs to be corrected (to open a new one I can 
pick up the action and can have it done within two weeks, with regards 
to the old one whom can get the responsible person to help organize it 
such that we have multiple Ubuntu-ers to get access and when?)
cc) support point map - remove ghost accounts and update or allow 
for updated information (whom can take action and when?)
dd) Limburg event box - Wouter, please drop me an e-mail where I 
can come and pick it up and get it into my storage garage)
ee) Setup a web-meeting last Wednesday of May (May 28th), we can 
use Skype, Google hangout or maybe someone can help build Open Meeting 
for Ubuntu (I don't mind planning and coordinating, whom can help setup 
the technical side of it all, Nero???)


Let's get this going before we start root-cause analysis, and when need 
please team up where you can. Myself I'm not really good at using 
Drupal, I've build my own in HTML, but I sure could help cleaning up and 
updating.


Your comments please?

Bill


On 01-05-14 12:39, tom verlinden wrote:


Thanks for your info on this. I've always thought that this certain 
"somebody" should comprise out of more than one person. One person 
can't take this on his or her shoul

Re: [Ubuntu-be] Ubuntu life in Belgium

[Merlijn Sebrechts]

aa) I can help with the website. I now a tiny bit of Drupal. If somebody
can give me the right credentials, I could take a look at it next week.
Mike Morraye knows more about the website, I think.
cc) same as aa)
ee) I think Google Hangouts is the best free option. If somebody has a sip
server, we could also use a sip client like jitsi.org, which has excellent
Ubuntu support.



Thanks for doing this wake-up call, kawabill!




2014-05-01 21:40 GMT+02:00 kawabill :

>  Hey I'm not alone on the island! :)
>
> Tom, you're right I think and I agree. It is not somebody we need, it is
> us. Also Juergen's proposal for having Ubuntu-be.org and setting clear
> expectations I agree with, this way we can prevent disappointment from and
> by others. Carrying Ubuntu-be to the funeral I would think is just a bit
> too early. From the reactions, at least 5-10 people are actively involved
> and able to help.
>
> Using IRC is maybe just a little too much written words and I've got no
> clue how to get it to work reliably, I think we need to get together or at
> least get visual. For getting together there is the hacker space, the
> facilities in Houthalen an hack - even an old school room in Bree. Is there
> an open source alternative to Skype, allowing for a virtual meeting maybe
> (I saw Apache's Open Meeting)? Or what if we organise a chat/video
> conference from the 'local' events; Houthalen in Limburg, Hackerspace,
> Brugge - can we organize it maybe in such a way that it's all in sync; ie.
> every last Wednesday of the month (convenient for LImburg, as this is the
> gathering date already)?
>
>
> 1) Do you want to help set up a booth at fosdem 2015? YES, if we can plan
> ahead I would think we can get the right and motivated people involved
> including this chap
>  2) Do you still use the website? If so, how? YES, but let's indeed make
> it such that people see activity - starting with filling the agenda showing
> the local activities for example
>  3) What information would you want to see on the new website? Haven't
> really given it a thought, but one thing for sure I would like to see and
> that is UP TO DATE information
>
> Let's keep the ideas coming, I think getting around the bank account
> quickly is indeed opening a new one, and make it one that we can access and
> at least have some kind of redundancy. This as not to get stuck again.
>
> I have to read and negotiate contracts all day, it would really be good if
> we could talk to each other, preferably face to face. This way we iterate
> in seconds rather than weeks.
>
> Finally; let's get the link into Canonical established and strengthened. I
> work for a large company and quite a large bunch is starting to use Ubuntu
> also on the desktop. Ubuntu Phone is a great idea and has huge potential,
> especially for cost savings. I checked how I could get our purchasing in
> contact easily, but believe me, Canonical is not going to sell the idea if
> they stick to how they have approached this up to now. I would think,
> certainly in Europe, they have a  wide enough network of enthusiasts and
> could easily bundle the network to get aggressive into offering savings to
> large and medium size companies. As far as I'm concerned I use the software
> that they have ubuntu-ed, it is this creation that binds us - the reason
> why I spend my time locally to help people is for ubuntu, and also as a
> kind of payback to Canonical because they have created a magnificent piece
> of software. Not only them, but they are for me one of the main forces
> behind humanizing Linux! Credit to Mark Shuttleworth for all that. Taking
> Ubuntu-be to the graveyard doesn't seem the best way to help and show a
> kind of gratitude.
>
> Too many words written already, and hail to he/she who came to this point.
> How to go forward? Let's use 8D methodology and get this going.
> 1) Plan - revive Ubuntu-be and prevent it from going quiet again
> 2) The core-team members proposed, let me know who disagrees or cannot
> pick up;
> a) kawabill
> b) nero
> c) Frank Neirynck
> d) Tom Verlinden
> e) Jan Bongaerts
> f) Merlijn Sebrechts
> g) Alain Daudrez
> 3) The problem; Ubuntu-be is dying
> 4) Temporary fix;
> aa) website is not upto date (whom can take action and when?)
> bb) bank account needs to be corrected (to open a new one I can pick
> up the action and can have it done within two weeks, with regards to the
> old one whom can get the responsible person to help organize it such that
> we have multiple Ubuntu-ers to get access and when?)
> cc) support point map - remove ghost accounts and update or allow for
> updated information (whom can take action and when?)
> dd) Limburg event box - Wouter, please drop me an e-mail where I can
> come and pick it up and get it into my storage garage)
> ee) Setup a web-meeting last Wednesday of May (May 28th), we can use
> Skype, Google hangout or maybe someone can help build Open Meeting for
> Ubuntu 

Re: [Ubuntu-be] Ubuntu life in Belgium

[Jan Bongaerts]

Real life meeting should still take preference over virtual meeting, if you
ask me.
It's not all that hard to organise. Jurgen did it, I did it. They were all
successful.
Just get to somewhere easily accessible by public transport.
Brussels is the best.
Antwerp or Ghent might be a good option.



On 1 May 2014 22:51, Merlijn Sebrechts  wrote:

> aa) I can help with the website. I now a tiny bit of Drupal. If somebody
> can give me the right credentials, I could take a look at it next week.
> Mike Morraye knows more about the website, I think.
> cc) same as aa)
> ee) I think Google Hangouts is the best free option. If somebody has a sip
> server, we could also use a sip client like jitsi.org, which has
> excellent Ubuntu support.
>
>
>
> Thanks for doing this wake-up call, kawabill!
>
>
>
>
> 2014-05-01 21:40 GMT+02:00 kawabill :
>
>  Hey I'm not alone on the island! :)
>>
>> Tom, you're right I think and I agree. It is not somebody we need, it is
>> us. Also Juergen's proposal for having Ubuntu-be.org and setting clear
>> expectations I agree with, this way we can prevent disappointment from and
>> by others. Carrying Ubuntu-be to the funeral I would think is just a bit
>> too early. From the reactions, at least 5-10 people are actively involved
>> and able to help.
>>
>> Using IRC is maybe just a little too much written words and I've got no
>> clue how to get it to work reliably, I think we need to get together or at
>> least get visual. For getting together there is the hacker space, the
>> facilities in Houthalen an hack - even an old school room in Bree. Is there
>> an open source alternative to Skype, allowing for a virtual meeting maybe
>> (I saw Apache's Open Meeting)? Or what if we organise a chat/video
>> conference from the 'local' events; Houthalen in Limburg, Hackerspace,
>> Brugge - can we organize it maybe in such a way that it's all in sync; ie.
>> every last Wednesday of the month (convenient for LImburg, as this is the
>> gathering date already)?
>>
>>
>> 1) Do you want to help set up a booth at fosdem 2015? YES, if we can plan
>> ahead I would think we can get the right and motivated people involved
>> including this chap
>>  2) Do you still use the website? If so, how? YES, but let's indeed make
>> it such that people see activity - starting with filling the agenda showing
>> the local activities for example
>>  3) What information would you want to see on the new website? Haven't
>> really given it a thought, but one thing for sure I would like to see and
>> that is UP TO DATE information
>>
>> Let's keep the ideas coming, I think getting around the bank account
>> quickly is indeed opening a new one, and make it one that we can access and
>> at least have some kind of redundancy. This as not to get stuck again.
>>
>> I have to read and negotiate contracts all day, it would really be good
>> if we could talk to each other, preferably face to face. This way we
>> iterate in seconds rather than weeks.
>>
>> Finally; let's get the link into Canonical established and strengthened.
>> I work for a large company and quite a large bunch is starting to use
>> Ubuntu also on the desktop. Ubuntu Phone is a great idea and has huge
>> potential, especially for cost savings. I checked how I could get our
>> purchasing in contact easily, but believe me, Canonical is not going to
>> sell the idea if they stick to how they have approached this up to now. I
>> would think, certainly in Europe, they have a  wide enough network of
>> enthusiasts and could easily bundle the network to get aggressive into
>> offering savings to large and medium size companies. As far as I'm
>> concerned I use the software that they have ubuntu-ed, it is this creation
>> that binds us - the reason why I spend my time locally to help people is
>> for ubuntu, and also as a kind of payback to Canonical because they have
>> created a magnificent piece of software. Not only them, but they are for me
>> one of the main forces behind humanizing Linux! Credit to Mark Shuttleworth
>> for all that. Taking Ubuntu-be to the graveyard doesn't seem the best way
>> to help and show a kind of gratitude.
>>
>> Too many words written already, and hail to he/she who came to this
>> point. How to go forward? Let's use 8D methodology and get this going.
>> 1) Plan - revive Ubuntu-be and prevent it from going quiet again
>> 2) The core-team members proposed, let me know who disagrees or cannot
>> pick up;
>> a) kawabill
>> b) nero
>> c) Frank Neirynck
>> d) Tom Verlinden
>> e) Jan Bongaerts
>> f) Merlijn Sebrechts
>> g) Alain Daudrez
>> 3) The problem; Ubuntu-be is dying
>> 4) Temporary fix;
>> aa) website is not upto date (whom can take action and when?)
>> bb) bank account needs to be corrected (to open a new one I can pick
>> up the action and can have it done within two weeks, with regards to the
>> old one whom can get the responsible person to help organize it such that
>> we have multiple Ubuntu-ers

Re: [Ubuntu-be] Ubuntu life in Belgium

[Jurgen Gaeremyn]

I think any of the hackerspaces will be willing to accomodate... people 
living near train stations on our group might too...


Possibly I can't be available myself (wife is pregnant and due for June 
4th) but I'm pretty sure Hackerspace Brussels (hackerspace.be) would be 
glad to offer you a chair in the space or the garden...


Grtz,
Jurgen.

On 01-05-14 23:08, Jan Bongaerts wrote:
Real life meeting should still take preference over virtual meeting, 
if you ask me.
It's not all that hard to organise. Jurgen did it, I did it. They were 
all successful.

Just get to somewhere easily accessible by public transport.
Brussels is the best.
Antwerp or Ghent might be a good option.



On 1 May 2014 22:51, Merlijn Sebrechts > wrote:


aa) I can help with the website. I now a tiny bit of Drupal. If
somebody can give me the right credentials, I could take a look at
it next week. Mike Morraye knows more about the website, I think.
cc) same as aa)
ee) I think Google Hangouts is the best free option. If somebody
has a sip server, we could also use a sip client like jitsi.org
, which has excellent Ubuntu support.



Thanks for doing this wake-up call, kawabill!




2014-05-01 21:40 GMT+02:00 kawabill mailto:kawab...@telenet.be>>:

Hey I'm not alone on the island! :)

Tom, you're right I think and I agree. It is not somebody we
need, it is us. Also Juergen's proposal for having
Ubuntu-be.org and setting clear expectations I agree with,
this way we can prevent disappointment from and by others.
Carrying Ubuntu-be to the funeral I would think is just a bit
too early. From the reactions, at least 5-10 people are
actively involved and able to help.

Using IRC is maybe just a little too much written words and
I've got no clue how to get it to work reliably, I think we
need to get together or at least get visual. For getting
together there is the hacker space, the facilities in
Houthalen an hack - even an old school room in Bree. Is there
an open source alternative to Skype, allowing for a virtual
meeting maybe (I saw Apache's Open Meeting)? Or what if we
organise a chat/video conference from the 'local' events;
Houthalen in Limburg, Hackerspace, Brugge - can we organize it
maybe in such a way that it's all in sync; ie. every last
Wednesday of the month (convenient for LImburg, as this is the
gathering date already)?


1) Do you want to help set up a booth at fosdem 2015? YES, if
we can plan ahead I would think we can get the right and
motivated people involved including this chap
2) Do you still use the website? If so, how? YES, but let's
indeed make it such that people see activity - starting with
filling the agenda showing the local activities for example
3) What information would you want to see on the new website?
Haven't really given it a thought, but one thing for sure I
would like to see and that is UP TO DATE information

Let's keep the ideas coming, I think getting around the bank
account quickly is indeed opening a new one, and make it one
that we can access and at least have some kind of redundancy.
This as not to get stuck again.

I have to read and negotiate contracts all day, it would
really be good if we could talk to each other, preferably face
to face. This way we iterate in seconds rather than weeks.

Finally; let's get the link into Canonical established and
strengthened. I work for a large company and quite a large
bunch is starting to use Ubuntu also on the desktop. Ubuntu
Phone is a great idea and has huge potential, especially for
cost savings. I checked how I could get our purchasing in
contact easily, but believe me, Canonical is not going to sell
the idea if they stick to how they have approached this up to
now. I would think, certainly in Europe, they have a  wide
enough network of enthusiasts and could easily bundle the
network to get aggressive into offering savings to large and
medium size companies. As far as I'm concerned I use the
software that they have ubuntu-ed, it is this creation that
binds us - the reason why I spend my time locally to help
people is for ubuntu, and also as a kind of payback to
Canonical because they have created a magnificent piece of
software. Not only them, but they are for me one of the main
forces behind humanizing Linux! Credit to Mark Shuttleworth
for all that. Taking Ubuntu-be to the graveyard doesn't seem
the best way to help and show a kind of gratitude.

Too many words written already, and hail to he/she who came to
thi