[ubuntu-art] Colored icons

[Martino Ferrari]

I'd reply at the question about my icons.
1)The svg's icons are in the scalable folder
2)For the color I think that isn't a problem, yes the ubuntu icons are very
colored but the ubuntu studio icons no,
3)I'd change the computer icon and hd icon but not the trash icons that  I
love.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Meeting December 1st, 19:00 UTC

[Kenneth Wimer]

On Friday 23 November 2007 17:20:19 Álvaro Medina Ballester wrote:
> > Please send me any items you would like to discuss.
>
>  I've just did what you told here. I would like to discuss that icon
> theme/guideline. :-)
> Maybe I haven't understood your post.

Or I didn't understand yours :-) Let's add an item to discuss generally what 
the community likes/wants in icon themes then.

Thanks,
Ken

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Meeting December 1st, 19:00 UTC

[Álvaro Medina Ballester]

> Please send me any items you would like to discuss.


 I've just did what you told here. I would like to discuss that icon
theme/guideline. :-)
Maybe I haven't understood your post.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Meeting December 1st, 19:00 UTC

[Kenneth Wimer]

Hi,

On Friday 23 November 2007 16:56:55 Álvaro Medina Ballester wrote:
> What do you think about these icon theme or something similar for Ubuntu?

I don't think it has anything to do with the subject of this mail :p Didn't 
you already post this idea? In any case, it is very hard to get an idea of 
what the whole theme looks like by only showing a folder icon. I'd love to 
see more though ;-)

> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Dropline+NOU%21?content=53292
>
> 2007/11/23, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > The next artwork team meeting will take place on Saturday, December 1st
> > at 19:00 UTC.
> >
> > Here are the topics so far:
> > * art.ubuntu.com - ongoing work and plans
> > * How best to roll out the art direction information and keep
> > everyone up
> > to date.
> > * Setting up a flickr group with assigned tags, etc
> >
> > Please send me any items you would like to discuss.
> >
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> >
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Meeting December 1st, 19:00 UTC

[Álvaro Medina Ballester]

What do you think about these icon theme or something similar for Ubuntu?

http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Dropline+NOU%21?content=53292

2007/11/23, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hi all,
>
> The next artwork team meeting will take place on Saturday, December 1st at
> 19:00 UTC.
>
> Here are the topics so far:
> * art.ubuntu.com - ongoing work and plans
> * How best to roll out the art direction information and keep everyone
> up
> to date.
> * Setting up a flickr group with assigned tags, etc
>
> Please send me any items you would like to discuss.
>
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>
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[ubuntu-art] Meeting December 1st, 19:00 UTC

[Kenneth Wimer]

Hi all,

The next artwork team meeting will take place on Saturday, December 1st at 
19:00 UTC.

Here are the topics so far:
* art.ubuntu.com - ongoing work and plans
* How best to roll out the art direction information and keep everyone up 
to date.
* Setting up a flickr group with assigned tags, etc

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Re: [ubuntu-art] WAS Matte for the next release?

[Álvaro Medina Ballester]

2007/11/23, Günther Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> I'm going with James. The use of brown colours hat always been a little
> shy in Ubuntu, but you can do so much more. Think about the combination
> of brown nuances and white - very smooth and eyepleasing. Brown and
> black - very strong. Brown with green and blue - fresh, modern. Brown
> with red and orange - eyeblasting.


Agree. Just look any of lyrae's themes.

http://www.gnome-look.org/usermanager/search.php?username=lyrae&action=contents

He/she uses browns and makes the greatests themes I've ever seen in Linux.

Some thoughts on icons. Most people are bored by the glossy look of the
> Human Theme. But like someone pointed out, it would be a problem, if a
> new icontheme would not work with Tango anymore - Suse, Fedora, ...
>
> Maybe it would be way better, to rework a huge part of the actual
> icontheme, making them a little more realistic, making them somehow
> cleaner than they actually are. Hylkes Discovery icons are a good start
> or maybe could fuse with the new ones. What about this one:
>
> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Simple+Human
> +folders?content=41750


What do you think about starting at this point?

http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Dropline+NOU%21?content=53292

I think that combines Ubuntu look with more realistic & less glossy icons.


I've got the feeling, that souch a small change is exactly the right
> thing for a new Ubuntu Desktop. A simple gradient instead of the glossy
> feel.
>
>
>
>
> Am Donnerstag, den 22.11.2007, 16:59 -0800 schrieb Troy James Sobotka:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > Jan Niklas Hasse wrote:
> > > IMHO brown is one of the ugliest colours. I'm sorry but it reminds me
> of
> > > several bad things. Please don't decide to make a brown theme, orange
> is
> > > ways better.
> >
> >
> > I'm sorry to bother the list responding to this, but I feel
> > that I must.
> >
> > This is the absolute most rubbish opinion ever offered up.
> >
> > It is a poorly researched, poorly understood, and knee jerk
> > reaction.  Your understanding is not only misguided, it is
> > riddled with flaws that anyone with any ounce of design sense
> > would understand.
> >
> >
> > Ubuntu's brown is pitiful _only_ because of poor execution.  Arguably,
> > brown is having a bit of a second life in many other areas of design.
> >
> > Notably, as has been said a 10 times before:
> >
> > 1) Ubuntu's use of brown is monochromatic and extremely underwhelming.
> > A compliment or split compliment would fix this along with the
> > permission to use contrast from lights to darks.  Brown could easily
> > remain the base if fleshed out with some supporting cast members.
> >
> > 2) Brown has been used many times by many different designers
> > extremely effectively.  Of notable worth you may wish to research
> > some contemporary designs utilizing crests, grunge, etc.  Common
> > pairings are brown with the compliment blue.  Starbucks recently
> > launched a new campaign using brown as a base with white and a
> > petal blue.  And yes, many design awards have been won with brown
> > as a base.
> >
> > 3) "Orange is always better".  Superlatives are an immediate sign
> > that the statement is probably riddled with flaws.  Make no mistake,
> > monochromatic orange is no better than monochromatic brown.  For further
> > reflection on this, compare the weak Fedora 8 work to the extremely
> > strong Fedora 7 work.  The horribly monotonous work in SUSE is also
> > a byproduct of monotony.
> >
> > There is a line between consistency and monotony, and no matter what
> > colour or psycho-semantic-tripey rubbish that someone is trying to
> > peddle about color psychology, in the end, it is the monochromatic
> > lack of contrast that is killing Ubuntu's use of brown.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > TJS
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Re: [ubuntu-art] WAS Matte for the next release?

[Günther Beyer]

I'm going with James. The use of brown colours hat always been a little
shy in Ubuntu, but you can do so much more. Think about the combination
of brown nuances and white - very smooth and eyepleasing. Brown and
black - very strong. Brown with green and blue - fresh, modern. Brown
with red and orange - eyeblasting.

Some thoughts on icons. Most people are bored by the glossy look of the
Human Theme. But like someone pointed out, it would be a problem, if a
new icontheme would not work with Tango anymore - Suse, Fedora, ...

Maybe it would be way better, to rework a huge part of the actual
icontheme, making them a little more realistic, making them somehow
cleaner than they actually are. Hylkes Discovery icons are a good start
or maybe could fuse with the new ones. What about this one:

http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Simple+Human
+folders?content=41750

I've got the feeling, that souch a small change is exactly the right
thing for a new Ubuntu Desktop. A simple gradient instead of the glossy
feel.




Am Donnerstag, den 22.11.2007, 16:59 -0800 schrieb Troy James Sobotka:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Jan Niklas Hasse wrote:
> > IMHO brown is one of the ugliest colours. I'm sorry but it reminds me of
> > several bad things. Please don't decide to make a brown theme, orange is
> > ways better.
> 
> 
> I'm sorry to bother the list responding to this, but I feel
> that I must.
> 
> This is the absolute most rubbish opinion ever offered up.
> 
> It is a poorly researched, poorly understood, and knee jerk
> reaction.  Your understanding is not only misguided, it is
> riddled with flaws that anyone with any ounce of design sense
> would understand.
> 
> 
> Ubuntu's brown is pitiful _only_ because of poor execution.  Arguably,
> brown is having a bit of a second life in many other areas of design.
> 
> Notably, as has been said a 10 times before:
> 
> 1) Ubuntu's use of brown is monochromatic and extremely underwhelming.
> A compliment or split compliment would fix this along with the
> permission to use contrast from lights to darks.  Brown could easily
> remain the base if fleshed out with some supporting cast members.
> 
> 2) Brown has been used many times by many different designers
> extremely effectively.  Of notable worth you may wish to research
> some contemporary designs utilizing crests, grunge, etc.  Common
> pairings are brown with the compliment blue.  Starbucks recently
> launched a new campaign using brown as a base with white and a
> petal blue.  And yes, many design awards have been won with brown
> as a base.
> 
> 3) "Orange is always better".  Superlatives are an immediate sign
> that the statement is probably riddled with flaws.  Make no mistake,
> monochromatic orange is no better than monochromatic brown.  For further
> reflection on this, compare the weak Fedora 8 work to the extremely
> strong Fedora 7 work.  The horribly monotonous work in SUSE is also
> a byproduct of monotony.
> 
> There is a line between consistency and monotony, and no matter what
> colour or psycho-semantic-tripey rubbish that someone is trying to
> peddle about color psychology, in the end, it is the monochromatic
> lack of contrast that is killing Ubuntu's use of brown.
> 
> Sincerely,
> TJS
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
> Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux)
> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Colored icons

[Álvaro Medina Ballester]

>
> 2)For the color I think that isn't a problem, yes the ubuntu icons are
> very colored but the ubuntu studio icons no,


 I think Ubuntu goal is not being exactly like Ubuntu Studio. The goal is
Usabiliti+Identity. We can do that establishing some guidelines, and as I
said in another post, apps and actions should be coloured and folders,
mimetypes should have a matte colour with good contrast labels to recognize
their content/function.



3)I'd change the computer icon and hd icon but not the trash icons that  I
> love.


That's ok. But those icons are hard to distinguish so they have to be
changed for Ubuntu, I thought they were some package icon. Of course you can
keep your default set with that icons but as long as they are under the GPL
Ubuntu can use a fork changing those icons. If you don't want to do it for
yourself I'm sure somebody will want to do it, but we need to discuss if we
need to or we don't. In my opinion, we have to change pc icon, trash icon,
hd icon and the mimetypes. Some are easy to distinguish if they're big, but
very hard to distinguish if they're small and not coloured. Otherwise folder
icons are great.

And the question is, ¿should we use this icon theme? If we're going to use
it, we have to start discussing what we're changing and what we are keeping.





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Re: [ubuntu-art] Matte for the next release?

[sylvain marc]

sorry

2007/11/23, Andreas Nilsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hi Sylvain!
> Can you turn off the caps-button please?
> Your e-mails are making me nervous. :)
> - Andreas
>
>
> sylvain marc skrev:
> > SORRY IF MY FIRTS POST IS TOO BIG - I TRY TO CANCEL IT LIKE IT WAS
> > EXPLAIN HERE :
> >
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/confirm/ubuntu-art/937276445103c0ebf02ae929dedb62b826c82c69
> > ..
> > I LIKE http://mandarancio.deviantart.com/art/Minimal-perception-67892707
> > AND http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Muku+GTK?content=59034
> > AND I THINK IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO MAKE A MIX OF THE THEMES LIKE I
> > EXPLAIN IT IN MY DOCUMENT I POST YESTERDAY) : ORANGE-LINSTABLACKPLASIC
> > / CRUX / MINT / GLOSSY-GLASS /
> >
> > Sam7 (Sylvain)
> >
> > 2007/11/22, Who <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Seeing as Kenneth says that this is the time to suggest ideas to be
> > taken in to account when the final artwork direction is decided I
> > would like to start some discussion of the merits of using a matte
> > theme (with small glossy elements/highlights) for the next release
> of
> > Ubuntu
> >
> > I'd love anyone who has ideas on why this is a good or bad idea to
> > chime in. I'll list a few of my own to get discussion started
> >
> > I'm suggesting it, so I'll list why I think it's a good idea to go
> > mainly matte.
> >
> > Problems with Glossyness:
> > 1. It's been DONE (by Ubuntu and by everyone else)
> > --- Shiny themes have been done and are everywhere now. Ubuntu's
> > design wants to STAND OUT, and we want to make a new chapter in
> > Ubuntu's design! OsX used to be king of gloss, but in Leopard we see
> > Apple shifting away from it  (but admittedly not quite being able to
> > let go).
> >
> > 2. It's DISTRACTING
> > --- Shinnyness is _distracting_ from the what you are working on.
> > GNOME is designed not to get in your way while you do your work, but
> > shinny things that cry out for your attention minimise it's
> > effectiveness in doing this
> >
> > 3. It's not (very) TANGO Compliant
> > --- Tango guidelines ask only for things that are glossy in real
> life
> > to be glossy. Given that more and more applications are adopting
> > Tango
> > icons we are giving ourselves a much larger job if we create a theme
> > that Tango doesn't fit in to, because for total consistency we have
> to
> > re-theme all the applications.
> >
> > 4. It feels LESS REALISTIC
> > --- As Tango guidelines point out, real surfaces are rarely
> glossy...
> > Using icons that represent real objects helps people intuitively use
> > applications and understand icons, adding gloss somewhat detracts
> from
> > this. It leads to 'cartoon' design in many cases.
> >
> > Nice things about matte themes
> > 1. They can be SOFTER
> > --- contrast in a matte theme can be lower, so the whole set of
> > widgets is easier to look at ('easier on the eyes'). It makes the
> > interface feel more human, to me...
> >
> > 2. BROWN and Matte > Brown and glossy
> > --- One of the contradictions in Ubuntu UI policy seems to be the
> > difficulty of brown vs orange. One of the reasons we have this is
> > becasue brown does not look good glossy, and orange does! If
> > Ubuntu is
> > going to stay brown using a matte theme allows the designers more
> > scope and allows for greater colour consistency. Brown isn't a very
> > glossy colour
> >
> > 3. Textures are often matte
> > -- Elephants, for example ;)
> >
> >
> > There are some really original ones around (yes, so I'm sure there
> are
> > orignal glossy ones around too, please post them if you find them :)
> >
> > After some trawling, here we go
> > Just the _buttons_ on this theme are beautiful:
> > http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Aurora+Sand?content=69773
> > Someone called 'Lyrae' has a whole host of similar (awesome and
> > original) matte/square themes:
> > http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Reuben?content=55876
> > http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Nova?content=57310
> > http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Fawn?content=58426
> > http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Calla?content=52297
> >
> > This 'wooden' is kind cool
> > http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Muku+GTK?content=59034
> > 
> >
> > So is the Clearlooks theme from Breezy
> >
> http://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=218&image=ubuntu_breezyc2_14_lrg
> > <
> http://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=218&image=ubuntu_breezyc2_14_lrg>
> >
> > Nodoka, is a nice theme engine to use
> >
> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Nodoka+GTK%2B+Engine?content=64604
> >
> > So, let's have a discussion about it - what do people think?
> >
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Re: [ubuntu-art] WAS Matte for the next release?

[Johannes]

why not use these wonderfull icon set
http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Gnome%2BHumanElephant+Savane%2BMarine?content=67388
i think they fit perfectly with both a bright and dark theme.

johannes

On Nov 23, 2007 11:43 AM, Álvaro Medina Ballester
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2007/11/23, Günther Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > I'm going with James. The use of brown colours hat always been a little
> > shy in Ubuntu, but you can do so much more. Think about the combination
> > of brown nuances and white - very smooth and eyepleasing. Brown and
> > black - very strong. Brown with green and blue - fresh, modern. Brown
> > with red and orange - eyeblasting.
>
> Agree. Just look any of lyrae's themes.
>
>
> http://www.gnome-look.org/usermanager/search.php?username=lyrae&action=contents
>
> He/she uses browns and makes the greatests themes I've ever seen in Linux.
>
> > Some thoughts on icons. Most people are bored by the glossy look of the
> > Human Theme. But like someone pointed out, it would be a problem, if a
> > new icontheme would not work with Tango anymore - Suse, Fedora, ...
> >
> > Maybe it would be way better, to rework a huge part of the actual
> > icontheme, making them a little more realistic, making them somehow
> > cleaner than they actually are. Hylkes Discovery icons are a good start
> > or maybe could fuse with the new ones. What about this one:
> >
> > http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Simple+Human
> > +folders?content=41750
>
> What do you think about starting at this point?
>
> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Dropline+NOU%21?content=53292
>
> I think that combines Ubuntu look with more realistic & less glossy icons.
>
>
>
> > I've got the feeling, that souch a small change is exactly the right
> > thing for a new Ubuntu Desktop. A simple gradient instead of the glossy
> > feel.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Am Donnerstag, den 22.11.2007, 16:59 -0800 schrieb Troy James Sobotka:
> > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > > Hash: SHA1
> > >
> > > Jan Niklas Hasse wrote:
> > > > IMHO brown is one of the ugliest colours. I'm sorry but it reminds me
> of
> > > > several bad things. Please don't decide to make a brown theme, orange
> is
> > > > ways better.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm sorry to bother the list responding to this, but I feel
> > > that I must.
> > >
> > > This is the absolute most rubbish opinion ever offered up.
> > >
> > > It is a poorly researched, poorly understood, and knee jerk
> > > reaction.  Your understanding is not only misguided, it is
> > > riddled with flaws that anyone with any ounce of design sense
> > > would understand.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ubuntu's brown is pitiful _only_ because of poor execution.  Arguably,
> > > brown is having a bit of a second life in many other areas of design.
> > >
> > > Notably, as has been said a 10 times before:
> > >
> > > 1) Ubuntu's use of brown is monochromatic and extremely underwhelming.
> > > A compliment or split compliment would fix this along with the
> > > permission to use contrast from lights to darks.  Brown could easily
> > > remain the base if fleshed out with some supporting cast members.
> > >
> > > 2) Brown has been used many times by many different designers
> > > extremely effectively.  Of notable worth you may wish to research
> > > some contemporary designs utilizing crests, grunge, etc.  Common
> > > pairings are brown with the compliment blue.  Starbucks recently
> > > launched a new campaign using brown as a base with white and a
> > > petal blue.  And yes, many design awards have been won with brown
> > > as a base.
> > >
> > > 3) "Orange is always better".  Superlatives are an immediate sign
> > > that the statement is probably riddled with flaws.  Make no mistake,
> > > monochromatic orange is no better than monochromatic brown.  For further
> > > reflection on this, compare the weak Fedora 8 work to the extremely
> > > strong Fedora 7 work.  The horribly monotonous work in SUSE is also
> > > a byproduct of monotony.
> > >
> > > There is a line between consistency and monotony, and no matter what
> > > colour or psycho-semantic-tripey rubbish that someone is trying to
> > > peddle about color psychology, in the end, it is the monochromatic
> > > lack of contrast that is killing Ubuntu's use of brown.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > TJS
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